Oregon: Second Amendment “sanctuary counties” sought

[Peter1469]

Oregon: Second Amendment “sanctuary counties” sought (http://www.ktvz.com/news/oregon-counties-gun-measures-spark-debate/331310705)

Not sure if they have a chance of making a difference in Oregon. Good luck to them.



A measure challenging gun regulations is popping up around the state. Since 2015, four counties have passed a measure known as the Second Amendment Preservation ordinance, and commissioners in Malheur, Union and Lake counties have heard the same measure in the past few weeks.


The ordinance is a reaction to the Oregon Firearms Safety Act, passed by the state Legislature in 2015, which requires background checks for transfers of firearms between private parties. These county ordinances allow sheriffs to ignore this law - which gun advocates see as unconstitutional.

Rob Taylor of Coos County is one of the chief petitioners for the Second Amendment Preservation ordinance. He said he wants Oregon to have what he called "sanctuary counties" for the Second Amendment.

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"The same way Oregon has become a sanctuary state for immigration," he said.

[texan]

I think we should be able to track the hand off of guns or a private individual can sell a gun to a gang banging felon.

[Scrounger]

I think we should be able to track the hand off of guns or a private individual can sell a gun to a gang banging felon.

What is a "gang banging felon" doing running amok in a free society?

[Common Sense]

Rename them Loophole Counties.

[Scrounger]

This is a subject that separates me from the Ds and the Rs; left and right; conservative and liberal.

The left calls for Universal Background Checks. Now, here is the $64,000 question: WHY?

The real reason the left wants Universal Background Checks doesn't have squat to do with reducing the number of people killed by firearms. The real stated purpose has been, is and always will be to keep firearms out of the hands of ... (fill in the blanks) AND to remove so - called assault weapons off the market.

WHEN you have a case wherein a firearm is used to commit a criminal act - i.e. the killing of innocent people, one would think if you are going to offer legislation, said legislation would address the symptoms that cause the death(s) in the first place. Common sense ought to dictate that the proposed "solution" address the immediate problem.

Omar Mateen killed 49 people. Mateen passed a background check:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/gun-shop-owner-orlando-nightclub-shooter-omar-mateen-passed-background-check/

Here is a short list of criminals that passed a background check:




Vester Flanagan (Roanoke, VA news crew shooting),
John Russell Houser (Lafayette theater shooting),
Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez (Chattanooga National Guard shooting)
Dylann Roof (Charleston church shooting),
Elliot Rodger (Santa Barbara campus shooting),
Aaron Alexis (DC Navy Yard),
Wade Michael Page (Sikh Temple),
James Holmes (Aurora theater),
Jared Loughner (Tucson),
Nidal Hasan (Fort Hood 2009),
Seung-Hui Cho (Virginia Tech)

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20160913/nra-nevadans-for-freedom-fact-checks-gun-control-mail-piece

Background checks do not work.... IF the objective is to save lives. It would appear that, instead of arguing the point, we should have a real discussion on this topic. In each of the aforementioned cases, there was a way to take the shooter off the streets before those people became a problem. But, the objective is not about saving lives. It is about controlling populations, incremental gun control and bans on the installment plan.

I doubt that we will ever have that discussion, but rest assured, if the left ever wants it, I am ready, willing and able.

[donttread]

Oregon: Second Amendment “sanctuary counties” sought (http://www.ktvz.com/news/oregon-counties-gun-measures-spark-debate/331310705)

Not sure if they have a chance of making a difference in Oregon. Good luck to them.

Maybe that could catch on in NNY? The problem is that while the Sheriff and his staff answer to the voters the other police agencies answer to various forms of government only.

[stjames1_53]

I think we should be able to track the hand off of guns or a private individual can sell a gun to a gang banging felon.

ah registration!!!! the first step in confiscation...............

[Scrounger]

ah registration!!!! the first step in confiscation...............

You are absolutely right. The left is basically unconcerned with whether or not a firearm death can be prevented. The whole objective is to ban firearms.

Registration does not make a firearm any less lethal. Registration only serves a single purpose: identify the firearm and the owner so that they may be confiscated.

[Common Sense]

Paranoia.

If we believed the chicken Little's of the right, Obama would have taken all the guns away at some point in his 8 year term and thrown you all into FEMA camps.

As usual, unfounded paranoia taints reason.

[Scrounger]

Paranoia.

If we believed the chicken Little's of the right, Obama would have taken all the guns away at some point in his 8 year term and thrown you all into FEMA camps.

As usual, unfounded paranoia taints reason.

What absolute silliness! Each and every gun owner realizes that the left's objective is to take away your Right to keep and bear Arms on the installment plan. Gun control has to be done incrementally. For example, the LAST Executive Order Obama signed relative to gun control was aimed at putting gunsmiths out of business:

http://controversialtimes.com/news/breaking-obama-signs-new-gun-control-executive-order-puts-gunsmiths-out-of-business/

Obama signed and Executive Order banning the importation of shotguns:

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/07/foghorn/breaking-obama-administration-bans-import-izhmash-kalashnikov-saiga-firearms/

According to Wikipedia:

"After the November 2008 election (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008), the website of President-elect (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_United_States) Barack Obama (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama), listed a detailed agenda for the forthcoming administration. The stated positions included "making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban

Only four years ago, the left was beside themselves with hopes of gun bans:

http://www.politico.com/gallery/guns-banned-once-maybe-again?slide=0

Still, the left wants to prattle on and claim that Obama - and the Democrats in general don't want your guns. I say don't pee down my neck and tell me it's raining.

[nathanbforrest45]

But But But, we need sensible gun laws to keep Saturday Night Specials and assault weapons out of the hands of mentally unstable people

[Peter1469]

Maybe that could catch on in NNY? The problem is that while the Sheriff and his staff answer to the voters the other police agencies answer to various forms of government only.

Having your local sheriff on board is key.

[Scrounger]

But But But, we need sensible gun laws to keep Saturday Night Specials and assault weapons out of the hands of mentally unstable people

The more over-riding issue is, what are mentally unstable people doing running amok in society?

A man can sit down in a bar, buy enough booze to get drunk on his a** and leave the bar whereupon he can get in his car and mow down your family in a DUI accident.

We can haul him into court, take his freedom and incarcerate him for a few years. He gets out and can immediately walk into a bar, buy as much booze as he can drink, get into a car and mow down more people... no background check, no booze ban, no questions asked. It's amazing how some deaths are more palatable than others.

Ironically, you could prevent those deaths with the same solution - no bans, background checks, or unconstitutional measures required.