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MMC
02-17-2017, 09:35 AM
Well at least the Repubs are getting started with repealing and replacing BO peep's Special Package, that has failed.





House Republican leaders on Thursday presented their rank-and-file members with the outlines of their plan to replace the Affordable Care Act, leaning heavily on tax credits to finance individual insurance purchases and sharply reducing federal payments to the 31 states that have expanded Medicaid (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/health/diseasesconditionsandhealthtopics/medicaid/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier) eligibility.


But the talking points they provided did not say how the legislation would be paid for, essentially laying out the benefits without the more controversial costs.


It also included no estimates of the number of people who would gain or lose insurance under the plan, nor did it include comparisons with the Affordable Care Act, which has extended coverage to some 20 million people.


House Republican leaders asserted in a document describing their plan that they would not “pull the rug out from anyone who received care under states’ Medicaid expansions.”



It would fundamentally remake Medicaid, a Great Society program that provides health care to more than 70 million Americans, not just the poor, but also middle-class people who have run out of money and need nursing home care. Under the plan, Medicaid, an open-ended entitlement program designed to cover all health care needs, would be put on a budget.


The Affordable Care Act’s subsidies, which expand as incomes decline, giving the poorer people more help, would be replaced by fixed tax credits to help people purchase insurance policies. The tax credits would increase with a person’s age, but would not vary with a person’s income.


The House Republican plan would also make it easier for consumers to buy health insurance (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/health/diseasesconditionsandhealthtopics/health_insurance_and_managed_care/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier) from companies licensed in other states, an idea long promoted by Republicans in Congress and championed by President Trump in his campaign last year.


After the recess, Mr. Ryan said: “We intend to introduce legislation to repeal and replace Obamacare. It has become increasingly clear that this law is collapsing. People’s premiums are getting higher and higher. Their deductibles are soaring, and their choices are dwindling.”.....snip~

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/16/us/politics/affordable-care-act-congress.html?_r=0

Crepitus
02-17-2017, 09:35 AM
Same crap they've presented before.

No progress.

resister
02-17-2017, 09:37 AM
Same crap they've presented before.

No progress.
A stinking pile would be an improvement of the aca!

Subdermal
02-17-2017, 09:39 AM
Same crap they've presented before.

No progress.


Losers supported ACA, and winners predicted what would happen. The winners were correct, and the losers continue to whine and lose.

Cigar
02-17-2017, 09:40 AM
Same crap they've presented before.

No progress.

You have to keep Feeding The Believers Bull-Shit or they'll starve :laugh:

Cigar
02-17-2017, 09:41 AM
Losers supported ACA, and winners predicted what would happen. The winners were correct, and the losers continue to whine and lose.

Don't worry .. The Winners will be dead of Health Issues soon enough :laugh:

Crepitus
02-17-2017, 09:44 AM
A stinking pile would be an improvement of the aca!

They don't even have that.

Crepitus
02-17-2017, 09:45 AM
Losers supported ACA, and winners predicted what would happen. The winners were correct, and the losers continue to whine and lose.

Self fulfilling prophecy. It failed because the conservatives did everything in their power to ensure it did.

MMC
02-17-2017, 09:51 AM
A stinking pile would be an improvement of the aca!

The NY Times disagree with the illiberals.....that's why they reported on it. :laugh:

MMC
02-17-2017, 09:54 AM
Self fulfilling prophecy. It failed because the conservatives did everything in their power to ensure it did.

Try again, and while I know you have problems with the thinking process. Use some Logic. It failed because all those young healthy people didn't believe they should have to pay for the older generations health. Basically.....they didn't believe in your kind of BS.

Crepitus
02-17-2017, 10:07 AM
Try again, and while I know you have problems with the thinking process. Use some Logic. It failed because all those young healthy people didn't believe they should have to pay for the older generations health. Basically.....they didn't believe in your kind of BS.

Yea, that's the meme they are pushing. Most of us know better.

MMC
02-17-2017, 10:10 AM
Yea, that's the meme they are pushing. Most of us know better.

Whos they? As the Right was talking about other issues? No now who is they that you blame?

Bo-4
02-17-2017, 10:12 AM
Yeah - the 16 million or so on Medicaid expansion are going to LOVE those tax credits.

:rollseyes:

Many of them are Trump voters - Good luck with that!

#GOP-StillNoPlan

MMC
02-17-2017, 10:16 AM
Many of them were Democrats to.....Imagine that.


Now at least the Repubs have an outline as to what they will do. Unlike BO peep and the Demos, they aren't out to trick anybody. Nor be a Gruber. :laugh:

Captain Obvious
02-17-2017, 10:19 AM
Anything dems might bring to the table should be ignored.

That was their approach 8 years ago.

Karma

Bethere
02-17-2017, 11:13 AM
Well at least the Repubs are getting started with repealing and replacing BO peep's Special Package, that has failed.





House Republican leaders on Thursday presented their rank-and-file members with the outlines of their plan to replace the Affordable Care Act, leaning heavily on tax credits to finance individual insurance purchases and sharply reducing federal payments to the 31 states that have expanded Medicaid (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/health/diseasesconditionsandhealthtopics/medicaid/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier) eligibility.


But the talking points they provided did not say how the legislation would be paid for, essentially laying out the benefits without the more controversial costs.


It also included no estimates of the number of people who would gain or lose insurance under the plan, nor did it include comparisons with the Affordable Care Act, which has extended coverage to some 20 million people.


House Republican leaders asserted in a document describing their plan that they would not “pull the rug out from anyone who received care under states’ Medicaid expansions.”


It will never pass in the gop senate.
It would fundamentally remake Medicaid, a Great Society program that provides health care to more than 70 million Americans, not just the poor, but also middle-class people who have run out of money and need nursing home care. Under the plan, Medicaid, an open-ended entitlement program designed to cover all health care needs, would be put on a budget.


The Affordable Care Act’s subsidies, which expand as incomes decline, giving the poorer people more help, would be replaced by fixed tax credits to help people purchase insurance policies. The tax credits would increase with a person’s age, but would not vary with a person’s income.


The House Republican plan would also make it easier for consumers to buy health insurance (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/health/diseasesconditionsandhealthtopics/health_insurance_and_managed_care/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier) from companies licensed in other states, an idea long promoted by Republicans in Congress and championed by President Trump in his campaign last year.


After the recess, Mr. Ryan said: “We intend to introduce legislation to repeal and replace Obamacare. It has become increasingly clear that this law is collapsing. People’s premiums are getting higher and higher. Their deductibles are soaring, and their choices are dwindling.”.....snip~

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/16/us/politics/affordable-care-act-congress.html?_r=0

Doomed in the gop Senate.

MMC
02-17-2017, 12:24 PM
Doomed in the gop Senate.

Nah.....Pence is the tie breaker. Susan Collins the wannabe Democrat forgot about that.

Subdermal
02-17-2017, 03:52 PM
You have to keep Feeding The Believers Bull-Shit or they'll starve :laugh:

You keep babbling shit that simply condemns your own position. It's you guys who bleated that ACA would lower premiums and improve care, when the winners told you the opposite would happen. It was us who told you that the exchanges would fail - and they are. You are the 'believers' who have been eating bullshit since the beginning, and you still starve for more.

Reality doesn't phase you.


Don't worry .. The Winners will be dead of Health Issues soon enough :laugh:

:loco:

Subdermal
02-17-2017, 03:54 PM
You have to keep Feeding The Believers Bull-Shit or they'll starve :laugh:


Yea, that's the meme they are pushing. Most of us know better.

Another helping of bullshit, courtesy cigar?

I have no idea how you could possibly convince yourself you "know better". Just WTF have you been right about? In years? ACA was a predictable disaster, and crashed exactly as I said it would.

Where were your predictions on ACA?

Subdermal
02-17-2017, 03:56 PM
Self fulfilling prophecy. It failed because the conservatives did everything in their power to ensure it did.

What a Load. Of. Crap. Conservatives had NO SAY in ACA. Prove otherwise, or eat another full plate of shit, served courtesy Cigar.

donttread
02-17-2017, 04:16 PM
Same crap they've presented before.

No progress.

Gotta agree with you here . This is so vauge as to beg the question : Is it really even a plan?

MMC
02-17-2017, 04:58 PM
Gotta agree with you here . This is so vauge as to beg the question : Is it really even a plan?

Its the outline and they didn't even have that before. Now after the recess.....Ryan says they will repeal BO care.

Crepitus
02-17-2017, 05:07 PM
Another helping of bullshit, courtesy cigar?

I have no idea how you could possibly convince yourself you "know better". Just WTF have you been right about? In years? ACA was a predictable disaster, and crashed exactly as I said it would.

Where were your predictions on ACA?

You are wrong. It crashed exactly as the republicans intended.

Crepitus
02-17-2017, 05:12 PM
Its the outline and they didn't even have that before. Now after the recess.....Ryan says they will repeal BO care.

Its the same bare bones wish list they had before. The only difference is this time they are calling it a plan.

nic34
02-17-2017, 05:16 PM
Yeah - the 16 million or so on Medicaid expansion are going to LOVE those tax credits.

:rollseyes:

Many of them are Trump voters - Good luck with that!

#GOP-StillNoPlan



No, there's still a plan. How we so soon forget:



https://youtu.be/-usmvYOPfco?t=12

Subdermal
02-17-2017, 05:17 PM
You are wrong. It crashed exactly as the republicans intended.

Your bleating is hollow. I'll ask you again, to demonstrate the cowardice of your convictions.

How did the Republicans cause the ACA crash?

Chris
02-17-2017, 05:21 PM
What a Load. Of. Crap. Conservatives had NO SAY in ACA. Prove otherwise, or eat another full plate of shit, served courtesy Cigar.

Vulgar and call out.

Crepitus
02-17-2017, 05:22 PM
Your bleating is hollow. I'll ask you again, to demonstrate the cowardice of your convictions.

How did the Republicans cause the ACA crash?

Was mostly the republican governors and state level legislatures. Interfering or refusing to set up exchanges, refusing to expand their medicaid programs, and so on.

MMC
02-17-2017, 05:23 PM
Its the same bare bones wish list they had before. The only difference is this time they are calling it a plan.

In accordance with Trumps new rules on BO peeps special package. So no its not the same bare bones wish list as before. Try at least telling the truth for once in your life.

Crepitus
02-17-2017, 05:57 PM
In accordance with Trumps new rules on BO peeps special package. So no its not the same bare bones wish list as before. Try at least telling the truth for once in your life.

Make sense for a change please.

Tahuyaman
02-17-2017, 06:03 PM
Same crap they've presented before.

No progress.

But I thought you liberal types have been saying that they have never presented anything?

One thing we do know is that if the ACA is left as is, it will crumble under its own weight. That was the intent when it was passed. The intent was that it would fail and the next POTUS, Hillary Clinton, would finally realuze the liberal dream of a single payer system and nationally rationed health care for all.

Another thing we know is that the left will characterize progress as no progress or they will characterize progress as regress.

Casper
02-17-2017, 07:10 PM
Losers supported ACA, and winners predicted what would happen. The winners were correct, and the losers continue to whine and lose.
Well, the Winners have had six Years to come up with a viable solutions and they came up with this which is nothing new. Good Grief.

Crepitus
02-17-2017, 07:37 PM
But I thought you liberal types have been saying that they have never presented anything?

One thing we do know is that if the ACA is left as is, it will crumble under its own weight. That was the intent when it was passed. The intent was that it would fail and the next POTUS, Hillary Clinton, would finally realuze the liberal dream of a single payer system and nationally rationed health care for all.

Another thing we know is that the left will characterize progress as no progress or they will characterize progress as regress.

Actually "we" don't know anything of the sort. *You* believe these things. You would like it if we all believed them, but we dont.

Peter1469
02-17-2017, 09:26 PM
Self fulfilling prophecy. It failed because the conservatives did everything in their power to ensure it did.

It failed because healthy people didn't want to enroll so they could pay for other's health care with premiums for services they won't use.

del
02-17-2017, 10:08 PM
gop leaders is an oxymoron

Tahuyaman
02-17-2017, 11:36 PM
But I thought you liberal types have been saying that they have never presented anything?

One thing we do know is that if the ACA is left as is, it will crumble under its own weight. That was the intent when it was passed. The intent was that it would fail and the next POTUS, Hillary Clinton, would finally realuze the liberal dream of a single payer system and nationally rationed health care for all.

Another thing we know is that the left will characterize progress as no progress or they will characterize progress as regress.


Actually "we" don't know anything of the sort. *You* believe these things. You would like it if we all believed them, but we dont.


You leftists are completely predictable. It's easy to accurately predict your reactions to certain events.

MMC
02-18-2017, 07:49 AM
But I thought you liberal types have been saying that they have never presented anything?

One thing we do know is that if the ACA is left as is, it will crumble under its own weight. That was the intent when it was passed. The intent was that it would fail and the next POTUS, Hillary Clinton, would finally realuze the liberal dream of a single payer system and nationally rationed health care for all.

Another thing we know is that the left will characterize progress as no progress or they will characterize progress as regress.
That's the truth and when the Repubs are done taking apart their Special Man's plan.....they will still say that his failed Special Package was better. All due to their belief on the Peep being Special.

MMC
02-18-2017, 07:50 AM
It failed because healthy people didn't want to enroll so they could pay for other's health care with premiums for services they won't use.

Especially young healthy Millennials. Which soon the illiberals will say they were all conservatives.