View Full Version : Mr. President: ‘Just who the hell do you think you are?’
Cigar
02-18-2017, 10:56 AM
You were elected as chief executive of the United States. I won’t belabor the fact that you won with a minority of the popular vote and a little help from your friends, FBI Director James Comey and Russian President Vladimir Putin. The bottom line is, you were elected.
And this does entitle you to certain things. You get your own airplane. You get free public housing. You get greeted with snappy salutes. And a band plays when you walk into the room.
But there is one thing to which your election does not entitle you. It does not entitle you to do whatever pops into your furry orange head without being called on it or, should it run afoul of the Constitution, without being blocked.
You and other members of the Fourth Reich seem to be having difficulty understanding this. Reports from Politico and elsewhere describe you as shocked that judges and lawmakers can delay or even stop you from doing things. Three weeks ago, your chief strategist, Steve Bannon, infamously declared that news media should “keep its mouth shut and just listen for a while.
http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/leonard-pitts-jr/article132721909.html
:grin:
Standing Wolf
02-18-2017, 11:06 AM
Never have I wanted more to be able to give more than one 'Thanks' for a post.
This needs to be printed out and left beside the Orange One's morning bowl of Capn' Crunch every morning. Better yet, it needs to be read to him by a different American every day of his ever more tenuous and regrettable Presidency.
Bra-the f-vo!
Here is what Trump should respond back with.....to those with Trump Derangement Syndrome and their question of Just who the Hell do you think you are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSRyCMExqk4
Now let that filter thru the dense grey matter.
suds00
02-18-2017, 11:12 AM
he doesn't have the ability to be a public servant.this was apparent during the campaign.the electorate messed up badly.and trump's reformance is not going to improve
Private Pickle
02-18-2017, 11:14 AM
You were elected as chief executive of the United States. I won’t belabor the fact that you won with a minority of the popular vote and a little help from your friends, FBI Director James Comey and Russian President Vladimir Putin. The bottom line is, you were elected.
And this does entitle you to certain things. You get your own airplane. You get free public housing. You get greeted with snappy salutes. And a band plays when you walk into the room.
But there is one thing to which your election does not entitle you. It does not entitle you to do whatever pops into your furry orange head without being called on it or, should it run afoul of the Constitution, without being blocked.
You and other members of the Fourth Reich seem to be having difficulty understanding this. Reports from Politico and elsewhere describe you as shocked that judges and lawmakers can delay or even stop you from doing things. Three weeks ago, your chief strategist, Steve Bannon, infamously declared that news media should “keep its mouth shut and just listen for a while.
http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/leonard-pitts-jr/article132721909.html
:grin:
Still waiting for someone...anyone...to explain what exactly Trump has done that is unconstitutional...
Still waiting for someone...anyone...to explain what exactly Trump has done that is unconstitutional...
Nothing......what you are seeing is just how deep the case of Butt-hurtitis actually is causing the leftness to have a flip like Hillary, and short circuit. :grin:
Private Pickle
02-18-2017, 11:23 AM
Nothing......what you are seeing is just how deep the case of Butt-hurtitis actually is causing the leftness to have a flip like Hillary, and short circuit. :grin:
I don't mind if they make the accusation... Plenty of Presidents including our last infringed on the Constitution multiple times... Just waiting for an example that can be at least pointed to with regards to Trump...
I don't mind if they make the accusation... Plenty of Presidents including our last infringed on the Constitution multiple times... Just waiting for an example that can be at least pointed to with regards to Trump...
Even the OP of the Miami Herald couldn't answer that question. Nor give you an example.
Btw, here is the mopes Mug Shot
http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/leonard-pitts-jr/nesmv8/picture132721899/ALTERNATES/FREE_320/PItts mug.jpg
He wouldn't like my answer......but I would tell him to deal with it. Then live with it. :wink:
AZ Jim
02-18-2017, 11:33 AM
This is spot on. His being CEO with absolute power is over. It's not the Democrats that will ensure that, it's the American people. We will not be herded like cattle. He will pay for every inch he proceeds into what we deem "No trump land".
Private Pickle
02-18-2017, 11:35 AM
This is spot on. His being CEO with absolute power is over. It's not the Democrats that will ensure that, it's the American people. We will not be herded like cattle. He will pay for every mile he proceeds into what we deem "No trump land".
You scared bro?
Standing Wolf
02-18-2017, 11:41 AM
I don't mind if they make the accusation... Plenty of Presidents including our last infringed on the Constitution multiple times... Just waiting for an example that can be at least pointed to with regards to Trump...
Both you and MMC seem to have decided to focus in on a single brief reference in the author's piece and stake your entire attempt to refute it on that reference. That would be:
But there is one thing to which your election does not entitle you. It does not entitle you to do whatever pops into your furry orange head without being called on it or, should it run afoul of the Constitution, without being blocked.
In other words, the author is telling Trump that his word and his will are going to be questioned, and all of his actions and proposals are going to be scrutinized, and that goes especially for ones that are Constitutionally questionable. So far, despite a lot of unjustified crowing from his sycophantic followers, Trump really has not accomplished much of any substance. His travel ban and immigrant blockage efforts have failed, due largely to provisions in them that reveal an un-Constitutional religious bias - a bias flagrantly displayed and predictive in Trump's own words during the Presidential campaign. (Original intent, anyone?)
Standing Wolf
02-18-2017, 11:43 AM
Btw, here is the mopes Mug Shot
http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/leonard-pitts-jr/nesmv8/picture132721899/ALTERNATES/FREE_320/PItts mug.jpg
Real subtle, M. :rollseyes:
Oh, he's BLACK!!
Well, that explains everything, doesn't it?
Real subtle, M. :rollseyes:
Oh, he's BLACK!!
Well, that explains everything, doesn't it?
Nice try Wolfman.....his color has nothing to do with him being a liberal/Demo. Nor a geek or nerd. Just sayin.
Standing Wolf
02-18-2017, 11:47 AM
Nice try Wolfman.....his color has nothing to do with him being a liberal/Demo. Nor a geek or nerd. Just sayin.
So, then, your purpose in displaying his photo was...?
hanger4
02-18-2017, 11:49 AM
Real subtle, M. :rollseyes:
Oh, he's BLACK!!
Well, that explains everything, doesn't it?
The race card ?? from you ??
Both you and MMC seem to have decided to focus in on a single brief reference in the author's piece and stake your entire attempt to refute it on that reference. That would be:
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In other words, the author is telling Trump that his word and his will are going to be questioned, and all of his actions and proposals are going to be scrutinized, and that goes especially for ones that are Constitutionally questionable. So far, despite a lot of unjustified crowing from his sycophantic followers, Trump really has not accomplished much of any substance. His travel ban and immigrant blockage efforts have failed, due largely to provisions in them that reveal an un-Constitutional religious bias - a bias flagrantly displayed and predictive in Trump's own words during the Presidential campaign. (Original intent, anyone?)
http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/78918-Donald-Trump’s-Top-10-Accomplishments-in-His-First-Month-in-Office
Now go look up Bilbo Clinton's first 5 months, and see if he came close to accomplishing what Trump has done in a month.
AZ Jim
02-18-2017, 11:50 AM
Nice try Wolfman.....his color has nothing to do with him being a liberal/Demo. Nor a geek or nerd. Just sayin.Then why post his picture, the only thing it tells us is he's black and has a nice smile. You posted it exactly for the reason alluded to by Standing wolf.
So, then, your purpose in displaying his photo was...?
To show he was nothing more than a Liberal/Demo who has Trump Derangement Syndrome. Albeit a geek type of one.
The race card ?? from you ??
Even funnier is him trying to play it on one who is Mixed raced. :laugh:
AZ Jim
02-18-2017, 11:53 AM
To show he was nothing more than a Liberal/Demo who has Trump Derangement Syndrome. Albeit a geek type of one.So we can tell that from his picture? Not even close, you're busted.
Then why post his picture, the only thing it tells us is he's black and has a nice smile. You posted it exactly for the reason alluded to by Standing wolf.
Try gripping reality for once in your life. I already stated why. But of course you being an illiberal, I can understand the trouble with reality that you have.
So we can tell that from his picture? Not even close, you're busted.
Be happy he isn't a Russian.....otherwise I would call you out for being a racist against white people.
AZ Jim
02-18-2017, 11:59 AM
Be happy he isn't a Russian.....otherwise I would call you out for being a racist against white people.You'd be just as wrong then.
Private Pickle
02-18-2017, 12:00 PM
Both you and MMC seem to have decided to focus in on a single brief reference in the author's piece and stake your entire attempt to refute it on that reference. That would be:
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In other words, the author is telling Trump that his word and his will are going to be questioned, and all of his actions and proposals are going to be scrutinized, and that goes especially for ones that are Constitutionally questionable. So far, despite a lot of unjustified crowing from his sycophantic followers, Trump really has not accomplished much of any substance. His travel ban and immigrant blockage efforts have failed, due largely to provisions in them that reveal an un-Constitutional religious bias - a bias flagrantly displayed and predictive in Trump's own words during the Presidential campaign. (Original intent, anyone?)
Can you point to me any mention of religion in his travel "ban"?
You'd be just as wrong then.
Not as wrong as you are. Tell me......what am I thinking of now. Wrong!
Leonard Garvey Pitts, Jr. (born October 11, 1957)[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Pitts#cite_note-1) is an American commentator (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advocacy_journalism), journalist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalist) and novelist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novelist). He is a nationally syndicated columnist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syndicated_columnist) and winner of the 2004 Pulitzer Prize for Commentary (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulitzer_Prize_for_Commentary). He was originally hired by the Miami Herald (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Herald) to critique music, but within a few years he received his own column in which he dealt extensively with race (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_in_the_United_States), politics, and culture.
Raised in Los Angeles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles) and educated at the University of Southern California (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Southern_California), Pitts currently lives in Bowie, Maryland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowie,_Maryland). He has won awards for his writing from the Society of Professional Journalists (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Professional_Journalists), the American Society of Newspaper Editors (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Society_of_Newspaper_Editors), and the National Association of Black Journalists (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Association_of_Black_Journalists), and he was first nominated for the Pulitzer Prize (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulitzer_Prize) in 1993, eventually claiming (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Pulitzer_Prize) the honor in 2004......snip~
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Pitts
Like I said.....a Liberal/Demo geek!
AZ Jim
02-18-2017, 12:11 PM
Can you point to me any mention of religion in his travel "ban"?He verbalized "MUSLIM" numerous times during his campaign and only dropped it when he installed his ban for fear of running afoul of the Constitution.
Private Pickle
02-18-2017, 12:14 PM
He verbalized "MUSLIM" numerous times during his campaign and only dropped it when he installed his ban for fear of running afoul of the Constitution.
You didn't answer my question yet resorted to a Red Herring.... Try again...
AZ Jim
02-18-2017, 12:31 PM
You didn't answer my question yet resorted to a Red Herring.... Try again...https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2015/dec/08/donald-trump-calls-for-complete-ban-on-muslims-entering-the-us-video
To show he was nothing more than a Liberal/Demo who has Trump Derangement Syndrome. Albeit a geek type of one.
bullshit
decedent
02-18-2017, 12:38 PM
he doesn't have the ability to be a public servant.this was apparent during the campaign.the electorate messed up badly.and trump's reformance is not going to improve
Trump seems to think that the people are his servants. He has no idea what public servant is. He bribes corporations, bullies the press and wastes taxpayer money on his expensive vacations. He's a typical entitled, elitist brat who has gambled with people's jobs with his failed casinos and refused to pay countless employees and contractors.
MisterVeritis
02-18-2017, 12:40 PM
This is spot on. His being CEO with absolute power is over. It's not the Democrats that will ensure that, it's the American people. We will not be herded like cattle. He will pay for every inch he proceeds into what we deem "No trump land".
This is the bleating of a coup sheep. Not a coup plotter.
Private Pickle
02-18-2017, 12:42 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2015/dec/08/donald-trump-calls-for-complete-ban-on-muslims-entering-the-us-video
Still have yet to answer the question and continue to double down on Red Herrings...
Why can't libs be honest?
MisterVeritis
02-18-2017, 12:42 PM
In other words, the author is telling Trump that his word and his will are going to be questioned, and all of his actions and proposals are going to be scrutinized, and that goes especially for ones that are Constitutionally questionable.
After your eight year break, you will be well rested.
bullshit
Stiffle.....Think of it as Archie Bunker would say it.
AZ Jim
02-18-2017, 12:49 PM
Are you blind? Your question was "Can you point to me any mention of religion in his travel "ban"? My reply was a video of him saying "We have to BAN MUSLIMS!!!!!"
Still have yet to answer the question and continue to double down on Red Herrings...
Why can't libs be honest?
Because they think they know what you are thinking.
Cletus
02-18-2017, 12:51 PM
Never have I wanted more to be able to give more than one 'Thanks' for a post.
This needs to be printed out and left beside the Orange One's morning bowl of Capn' Crunch every morning. Better yet, it needs to be read to him by a different American every day of his ever more tenuous and regrettable Presidency.
Bra-the f-vo!
Cite for us what illegal or unconstitutional actions the President has taken to date.
As far as the press is concerned, their job is to report, not to try to dictate or even influence policy. They should indeed just shut up and listen for a while.
MisterVeritis
02-18-2017, 12:51 PM
You were elected as chief executive of the United States. I won’t belabor the fact that you won with a minority of the popular vote and a little help from your friends, FBI Director James Comey and Russian President Vladimir Putin. The bottom line is, you were elected.
And this does entitle you to certain things. You get your own airplane. You get free public housing. You get greeted with snappy salutes. And a band plays when you walk into the room.
But there is one thing to which your election does not entitle you. It does not entitle you to do whatever pops into your furry orange head without being called on it or, should it run afoul of the Constitution, without being blocked.
You and other members of the Fourth Reich seem to be having difficulty understanding this. Reports from Politico and elsewhere describe you as shocked that judges and lawmakers can delay or even stop you from doing things. Three weeks ago, your chief strategist, Steve Bannon, infamously declared that news media should “keep its mouth shut and just listen for a while.
I want to thank Cigar for this excellent starter post. Thanks, Cigar.
Stiffle.....Think of it as Archie Bunker would say it.
it's stifle, dingbat
MisterVeritis
02-18-2017, 12:55 PM
We should have a national conversation. Do we want the United States to become an Islamicized nation? Do we prefer further divisions with Islam on one side (okay with liberals too) and Americans under a Constitution on the other? How does adding Islam benefit our citizens?
After your eight year break, you will be well rested.
He still can't figure out what Trump has done in a month. Moreover.....he wants you to think what he has down by the Author is the reason why.
Yet its No different for any President.....Other than the part about who the hell do you think you are, specified to Trump.
Newpublius
02-18-2017, 12:55 PM
it's stifle, dingbat
Pointing out typos is your specialty.
it's stifle, dingbat
At least you could figure out what was meant. Filter that down okay, lil fella.
Newpublius
02-18-2017, 12:57 PM
At least you could figure out what was meant. Filter that down okay, lil fella.
I know, seriously, HOLY MOTHER OF GOD.....
MisterVeritis
02-18-2017, 12:58 PM
Pointing out typos is your specialty.
del is good at it. I think he should stick with it. Now if we could get him to branch out and comment on all of those who have difficulty with punctuation at the end of a sentence. Life would be almost perfect here in thepoliticalforums land.
Pointing out typos is your specialty.
everyone can't whine about their taxes incessantly
Pointing out typos is your specialty.
It helps him to think he have them thar smart powers. Just sayin. :laugh:
Newpublius
02-18-2017, 01:00 PM
everyone can't whine about their taxes incessantly
Well you can't that's for sure.
I know, seriously, HOLY MOTHER OF GOD.....
I did think of using an Archie Bunker reminder. Just in case. But then I remembered what I was talking to. :grin:
Chris
02-18-2017, 01:21 PM
Both you and MMC seem to have decided to focus in on a single brief reference in the author's piece and stake your entire attempt to refute it on that reference. That would be:
[/FONT][/SIZE]
In other words, the author is telling Trump that his word and his will are going to be questioned, and all of his actions and proposals are going to be scrutinized, and that goes especially for ones that are Constitutionally questionable. So far, despite a lot of unjustified crowing from his sycophantic followers, Trump really has not accomplished much of any substance. His travel ban and immigrant blockage efforts have failed, due largely to provisions in them that reveal an un-Constitutional religious bias - a bias flagrantly displayed and predictive in Trump's own words during the Presidential campaign. (Original intent, anyone?)
Have to say this has been true for most every President.
To me the OP piece is lacking evidence.
You mention religious bias but, what, against noncitizens, how is that unconstitutional?
Tahuyaman
02-18-2017, 04:25 PM
The left is going to get progressively more hysterical as time goes by. So, I guess liberals really can be called progressives.
Crepitus
02-18-2017, 05:58 PM
Nice try Wolfman.....his color has nothing to do with him being a liberal/Demo. Nor a geek or nerd. Just sayin.
I call bullshit!
There is no other reason for you to take time to find and post a photo of the man.
Crepitus
02-18-2017, 06:01 PM
You didn't answer my question yet resorted to a Red Herring.... Try again...
That's not a red herring, it is truth.
Crepitus
02-18-2017, 06:04 PM
This is the bleating of a coup sheep. Not a coup plotter.
17316
Crepitus
02-18-2017, 06:05 PM
Because they think they know what you are thinking.
Actually we do. Nothing.
Mister D
02-18-2017, 06:08 PM
Never have I wanted more to be able to give more than one 'Thanks' for a post.
This needs to be printed out and left beside the Orange One's morning bowl of Capn' Crunch every morning. Better yet, it needs to be read to him by a different American every day of his ever more tenuous and regrettable Presidency.
Bra-the f-vo!
You would thank a post that includes "Fourth Reich" once let alone twice?
Standing Wolf
02-18-2017, 07:13 PM
The race card ?? from you ??
Had I blamed M's disagreement with the blog's content or tone on the fact that the author was Black, that would have been playing the Race Card.
The fact that the author was Black was injected into the discussion by M - not by me.
Standing Wolf
02-18-2017, 07:14 PM
To show he was nothing more than a Liberal/Demo who has Trump Derangement Syndrome. Albeit a geek type of one.
And you can tell that he's a "Liberal/Demo who has Trump Derangement Syndrome" from his photo?
Peter1469
02-18-2017, 07:20 PM
Has anyone figured out just who Trump thinks he is yet?
Mister D
02-18-2017, 07:21 PM
Has anyone figured out just who Trump thinks he is yet?
Leader of the Fourth Reich, I guess.
MisterVeritis
02-18-2017, 07:21 PM
17316
You are a coup sheep. Not a coup plotter.
Standing Wolf
02-18-2017, 07:24 PM
Cite for us what illegal or unconstitutional actions the President has taken to date.
Did you skip over post #11?
Cletus
02-18-2017, 07:28 PM
Did you skip over post #11?
No, I read it.
I am still waiting for someone to post what illegal or unconstitutional actions the President has taken to date. There is nothing unconstitutional about his travel bans and I strongly suspect you know that since you are the without doubt, the smartest Liberal on the board. Religion was not cited in them. They are based on country of origin, specifically targeting lawless states.
So, let me know when you come up with something.
hanger4
02-18-2017, 07:56 PM
Had I blamed M's disagreement with the blog's content or tone on the fact that the author was Black, that would have been playing the Race Card.
The fact that the author was Black was injected into the discussion by M - not by me.
You injected color, not M.
Standing Wolf
02-18-2017, 08:07 PM
You injected color, not M.
:facepalm:
Peter1469
02-18-2017, 08:13 PM
Orange is the new black?
Standing Wolf
02-18-2017, 08:17 PM
No, I read it.
I am still waiting for someone to post what illegal or unconstitutional actions the President has taken to date. There is nothing unconstitutional about his travel bans and I strongly suspect you know that since you are the without doubt, the smartest Liberal on the board. Religion was not cited in them. They are based on country of origin, specifically targeting lawless states.
So, let me know when you come up with something.
The clear meaning of the blog author's words were, "Your actions - past, current and future - are subject to scrutiny and critique, including those that may be un-Constitutional." Federal courts have already established that Trump's campaign promises to "keep Muslims out" are admissible in judging the Constitutionality of his executive orders, but I'm not even thinking, at this point, in terms of what Trump has done - because, as I said before, he really hasn't done much so far. Those on this thread who have a problem with the OP are focusing entirely on (1) whether or not anything Trump has done so far is blatantly un-Constitutional...which, if I may remind you, the author of the blog has not made any claims about, and (2) the author's race. MMC's posting of the author's photo, followed by his disingenuous claim that in doing so he was not calling attention to the fact that the author is Black, is a low point even for this board.
Private Pickle
02-18-2017, 08:20 PM
That's not a red herring, it is truth.
Please understand the definition of a Red Herring before commenting on it. There is nothing in the definition of a Red Herring that implies the argument is false.
hanger4
02-18-2017, 08:21 PM
:facepalm:
Went back and reread, yup, you were the first;
Real subtle, M. :rollseyes:
Oh, he's BLACK!!
Well, that explains everything, doesn't it?
Crepitus
02-18-2017, 08:23 PM
You are a coup sheep. Not a coup plotter.
https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder317/400x/62448317.jpg
Standing Wolf
02-18-2017, 08:26 PM
Went back and reread, yup, you were the first;
Yes, I was the first one to use the word "Black". I was not the first to bring up the author's race; 'MMC' simply did it with a photo. He has been asked several times why he felt it necessary or important to post that photo, and he has yet to come up with any answer that sounds the least bit convincing.
MisterVeritis
02-18-2017, 08:26 PM
You are a coup sheep. Not a coup plotter.
https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder317/400x/62448317.jpg
Based on your meme are you informing me you are a coup pussy?
Crepitus
02-18-2017, 08:30 PM
Please understand the definition of a Red Herring before commenting on it. There is nothing in the definition of a Red Herring that implies the argument is false.
I might suggest you do the same. For it to qualify as a red herring it has to be untrue.
Private Pickle
02-18-2017, 08:39 PM
I might suggest you do the same. For it to qualify as a red herring it has to be untrue.
You could have at least looked it up...
Red herring (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring) – a speaker attempts to distract an audience by deviating from the topic at hand by introducing a separate argument the speaker believes is easier to speak to.[51] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies#cite_note-FOOTNOTEDamer2009208-51)
Crepitus
02-18-2017, 08:39 PM
You are a coup sheep. Not a coup plotter.
Based on your meme are you informing me you are a coup pussy?
I am the Coup Cat!http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zXvXVPKrGsY/U38QrcuIGTI/AAAAAAAAQ-E/GeJtVPgnenM/s1600/Johnny-the-cat-coup.PNG
hanger4
02-18-2017, 08:40 PM
Yes, I was the first one to use the word "Black". I was not the first to bring up the author's race; 'MMC' simply did it with a photo. He has been asked several times why he felt it necessary or important to post that photo, and he has yet to come up with any answer that sounds the least bit convincing.
OK. So in the future all posted pictures of people is racial in nature. Lawdy
MisterVeritis
02-18-2017, 08:41 PM
I am the Coup Cat!http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zXvXVPKrGsY/U38QrcuIGTI/AAAAAAAAQ-E/GeJtVPgnenM/s1600/Johnny-the-cat-coup.PNG
Coup pussy it is! :grin:
You could have stayed a sheep.
Crepitus
02-18-2017, 08:41 PM
You could have at least looked it up...
Red herring (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring) – a speaker attempts to distract an audience by deviating from the topic at hand by introducing a separate argument the speaker believes is easier to speak to.[51] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies#cite_note-FOOTNOTEDamer2009208-51)
Ah, I stand corrected then. I was under the impression the Red Herring had to be a falsehood.
rcfieldz
02-18-2017, 08:46 PM
This whole thread is cray cray.
Private Pickle
02-18-2017, 08:55 PM
Ah, I stand corrected then. I was under the impression the Red Herring had to be a falsehood.
Thank you. Much appreciated. You could've doubled down but you didn't and for that and other reasons I always enjoy our disagreements.
I won’t belabor the fact that you won with a minority of the popular vote and a little help from your friends, FBI Director James Comey and Russian President Vladimir Putin.
You and other members of the Fourth Reich seem to be having difficulty understanding
When I see that type of crap at the beginning of an article I know its going to be nothing more than a hit piece by another hater.
I know I won't be reading anything close to objectivity so why bother.
Subdermal
02-19-2017, 12:17 AM
So, then, your purpose in displaying his photo was...?
Apparently, the purpose was to allow you to do what comes natural to you: get PC and play the card that he apparently knew you couldn't resist playing.
Dr. Who
02-19-2017, 12:31 AM
Can you point to me any mention of religion in his travel "ban"?
The word Muslim?
Subdermal
02-19-2017, 12:33 AM
Had I blamed M's disagreement with the blog's content or tone on the fact that the author was Black, that would have been playing the Race Card.
The fact that the author was Black was injected into the discussion by M - not by me.
No, MMC chose to identify the person. You are the one who sought to focus on the racial aspect of the fellow.
resister
02-19-2017, 12:34 AM
The word Muslim?
Link?
Subdermal
02-19-2017, 12:34 AM
And you can tell that he's a "Liberal/Demo who has Trump Derangement Syndrome" from his photo?
No. He can tell from his letter.
resister
02-19-2017, 12:35 AM
No, MMC chose to identify the person. You are the one who sought to focus on the racial aspect of the fellow.
If he was white....:rollseyes:
Dr. Who
02-19-2017, 12:40 AM
Yes, I was the first one to use the word "Black". I was not the first to bring up the author's race; 'MMC' simply did it with a photo. He has been asked several times why he felt it necessary or important to post that photo, and he has yet to come up with any answer that sounds the least bit convincing.
There was no other reason. Posting a picture of a white guy would have been a major 'so what' moment.
resister
02-19-2017, 12:42 AM
So very racist, the nerve. * bristels*
Dr. Who
02-19-2017, 12:54 AM
Link?
Let's put it this way - they are all Muslim countries, but the wording of the EO says this:
e) Notwithstanding the temporary suspension imposed pursuant to subsection (a) of this section, the Secretaries of State and Homeland Security may jointly determine to admit individuals to the United States as refugees on a case-by-case basis, in their discretion, but only so long as they determine that the admission of such individuals as refugees is in the national interest -- including when the person is a religious minority in his country of nationality facing religious persecution, when admitting the person would enable the United States to conform its conduct to a preexisting international agreement, or when the person is already in transit and denying admission would cause undue hardship -- and it would not pose a risk to the security or welfare of the United States.
In other words, those who are not Muslim.
Not to mention the fact that Trump specifically uses the word Muslims in the video in the following link:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/text-of-trump-executive-order-nation-ban-refugees/
Subdermal
02-19-2017, 12:57 AM
There was no other reason. Posting a picture of a white guy would have been a major 'so what' moment.
:facepalm:
The fact that he could have been white should have been 'so what'. But - and here's where your socks are going to get knocked clean off - so should have the fact that he's black.
What we proved here today is that it is different only to you leftists.
Subdermal
02-19-2017, 01:04 AM
Let's put it this way - they are all Muslim countries, but the wording of the EO says this:
e) Notwithstanding the temporary suspension imposed pursuant to subsection (a) of this section, the Secretaries of State and Homeland Security may jointly determine to admit individuals to the United States as refugees on a case-by-case basis, in their discretion, but only so long as they determine that the admission of such individuals as refugees is in the national interest -- including when the person is a religious minority in his country of nationality facing religious persecution, when admitting the person would enable the United States to conform its conduct to a preexisting international agreement, or when the person is already in transit and denying admission would cause undue hardship -- and it would not pose a risk to the security or welfare of the United States.
In other words, those who are not Muslim.
Not to mention the fact that Trump specifically uses the word Muslims in the video in the following link:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/text-of-trump-executive-order-nation-ban-refugees/
Uh, that's demonstrably untrue. There are plenty of differing sects in Islam, and plenty of infighting amongst Muslims regarding their religious sects. Shia are a "religious minority" in Sunni dominated areas.
Keep looking. You've already justified your conclusions, so all you need now is the proof.
Dr. Who
02-19-2017, 01:08 AM
Uh, that's demonstrably untrue. There are plenty of differing sects in Islam, and plenty of infighting amongst Muslims regarding their religious sects. Shia are a "religious minority" in Sunni dominated areas.
Keep looking. You've already justified your conclusions, so all you need now is the proof.
Did you play the video? Trump specifically says Muslims - from his own mouth, on video.
Subdermal
02-19-2017, 01:14 AM
Did you play the video? Trump specifically says Muslims - from his own mouth, on video.
I reject the characterization, as he hasn't banned travel from the most populated Muslim countries on Earth.
You reject his travel ban because you reject Trump.
Regardless: I was focusing on your characterization that a "religious minority" couldn't also be a Muslim. Everyone knows that radical Muslims have no qualms eliminating Muslims that they consider too mainstream.
Or merely different.
Dr. Who
02-19-2017, 01:27 AM
I reject the characterization, as he hasn't banned travel from the most populated Muslim countries on Earth.
You reject his travel ban because you reject Trump.
Regardless: I was focusing on your characterization that a "religious minority" couldn't also be a Muslim. Everyone knows that radical Muslims have no qualms eliminating Muslims that they consider too mainstream.
Or merely different.
He can't - too many financial and political interests in those countries.
Bethere
02-19-2017, 01:33 AM
You would thank a post that includes "Fourth Reich" once let alone twice?
Fourth reich.
Oooooh! I like that!
Expect to hear it again soon! Thanks!
Private Pickle
02-19-2017, 02:09 AM
The word Muslim?
It doesn't exist. Take another look.
Peter1469
02-19-2017, 08:16 AM
Of course they are Muslim countries. That is where al Qaeda and ISIL have their main operations.
Let's put it this way - they are all Muslim countries, but the wording of the EO says this:
e) Notwithstanding the temporary suspension imposed pursuant to subsection (a) of this section, the Secretaries of State and Homeland Security may jointly determine to admit individuals to the United States as refugees on a case-by-case basis, in their discretion, but only so long as they determine that the admission of such individuals as refugees is in the national interest -- including when the person is a religious minority in his country of nationality facing religious persecution, when admitting the person would enable the United States to conform its conduct to a preexisting international agreement, or when the person is already in transit and denying admission would cause undue hardship -- and it would not pose a risk to the security or welfare of the United States.
In other words, those who are not Muslim.
Not to mention the fact that Trump specifically uses the word Muslims in the video in the following link:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/text-of-trump-executive-order-nation-ban-refugees/
donttread
02-19-2017, 08:20 AM
You were elected as chief executive of the United States. I won’t belabor the fact that you won with a minority of the popular vote and a little help from your friends, FBI Director James Comey and Russian President Vladimir Putin. The bottom line is, you were elected.
And this does entitle you to certain things. You get your own airplane. You get free public housing. You get greeted with snappy salutes. And a band plays when you walk into the room.
But there is one thing to which your election does not entitle you. It does not entitle you to do whatever pops into your furry orange head without being called on it or, should it run afoul of the Constitution, without being blocked.
You and other members of the Fourth Reich seem to be having difficulty understanding this. Reports from Politico and elsewhere describe you as shocked that judges and lawmakers can delay or even stop you from doing things. Three weeks ago, your chief strategist, Steve Bannon, infamously declared that news media should “keep its mouth shut and just listen for a while.
http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/leonard-pitts-jr/article132721909.html
:grin:
You have a point. But never forget he's an actor and he's had the ultr lib media chasing ghost since before he was elected.
Subdermal
02-19-2017, 12:18 PM
He can't - too many financial and political interests in those countries.
Naturally, that's the conclusion you draw. Confirmation bias blinds you.
Or do those same countries not appear on Obama's list of 7 Muslim countries "of concern" for the same reason?
Standing Wolf
02-19-2017, 12:19 PM
You reject his travel ban because you reject Trump.
And the playing of the Orange Card continues.
Nothing Cheeto Jesus says or does can be criticized for its lack of merit, its blatant illegality or its impractical nature without some starry-eyed fanboy loudly and thoughtlessly discounting any explanation, however well supported by facts and logic, in favor of, "You just don't like him!" :rollseyes:
Subdermal
02-19-2017, 12:24 PM
And the playing of the Orange Card continues.
Snappy. Trite, but snappy. I provided a sound argument. You came up with something called an "Orange Card".
'Course, you were also the same guy who attempted to play a black card earlier.
Nothing Cheeto Jesus says or does can be criticized for its lack of merit, its blatant illegality or its impractical nature without some starry-eyed fanboy loudly and thoughtlessly discounting any explanation, however well supported by facts and logic, in favor of, "You just don't like him!" :rollseyes:
Your insulting characterizations of me or anyone else ring hollow, Crayola Card player. I provided an argument.
Standing Wolf
02-19-2017, 12:31 PM
I provided an argument.
The act of arguing does not necessarily mean that you have an actual "argument".
The little boy who just wants to stay up past his bedtime and watch t.v. can argue; whether or not he has an "argument", in the sense that you apparently mean, is another question.
patrickt
02-19-2017, 12:52 PM
So, a silly editorial sweeps the leftists off their feet. We had a president who thought he was a god and hated America and now we don't.
I can see why President Trump would think, after eight years of President Obama, AG Holder and Lynch, ignoring the Constitution and the courts, that the Constitution and the courts were optional.
Dr. Who
02-19-2017, 05:07 PM
Naturally, that's the conclusion you draw. Confirmation bias blinds you.
Or do those same countries not appear on Obama's list of 7 Muslim countries "of concern" for the same reason?
Of course.
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