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Peter1469
02-25-2017, 09:55 AM
How To Replace ObamaCare And Save Social Security (http://www.investors.com/politics/policy-analysis/a-plan-to-replace-obamacare-and-save-social-security/)
Here is an interesting article about a social security fix working with an ACA fix (especiallly with costs for older people). It seems to split the baby between the Dem's goal of having the young pay for the old and the Rep goal of getting the young cheaper insurance that they can use.


Social Security's day of reckoning is a dozen years away, according to the Congressional Budget Office. ObamaCare may be headed for crisis as early as next year. Here's how to save both, offering more affordable coverage and preserving the old-age safety net — without breaking the Treasury.

ObamaCare was sick and in need of major surgery no matter who won the election, but with the Trump administration unwilling to promote enrollment or step up enforcement of the individual mandate, the exchanges could be headed for a crisis.


Humana (HUM (http://research.investors.com/stock-quotes/nyse-humana-inc-hum.htm)) said on Feb. 14 that it's making a complete exit. UnitedHealth (UNH (http://research.investors.com/stock-quotes/nyse-unitedhealth-group-inc-unh.htm)) and Aetna (AET (http://research.investors.com/stock-quotes/nyse-aetna-inc-aet.htm)) already have one foot out the door, while Anthem (ANTM (http://research.investors.com/stock-quotes/nyse-anthem-inc-antm.htm)) and Molina (MOH (http://research.investors.com/stock-quotes/nyse-molina-healthcare-inc-moh.htm)) won't commit to sticking around in 2018.


Democrats may be tempted, watch ObamaCare unravel and let the GOP reap the whirlwind, but they have an obligation to play a constructive role. Even before this year's enrollment decline, the pool of customers was too small, too old and too costly, and premiums have soared as a result.


Here's ObamaCare's harsh reality (http://www.investors.com/politics/policy-analysis/why-obama-is-wrong-about-obamacare-in-one-chart/): Even among working-class households earning 150% to 250% of the poverty level, supposedly the law's big beneficiaries, just 1 in 3 people who lack insurance from other sources are getting coverage that will protect them from financial disaster. Most of the other two-thirds are uninsured, either because they or a spouse work full time and don't qualify for exchange subsidies, or else they've spurned subsidized bronze plans that carry $6,000-$7,000 deductibles.


Yet here's the truth about Republican repeal-and-replace plans: They all give a better deal to young, healthy and middle-class insurance shoppers by making health care unaffordable for older, higher-cost and low-income individuals. For a 64-year-old, low-income couple, the same plan that costs $1,000 under ObamaCare could cost $18,000 under new Department of Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price's Empowering Patients First plan (http://www.investors.com/politics/policy-analysis/a-big-obamacare-reality-check-for-trump-in-one-chart/).

Casper
02-25-2017, 10:10 AM
How To Replace ObamaCare And Save Social Security (http://thepoliticalforums.com/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=10)

Here is an interesting article about a social security fix working with an ACA fix (especiallly with costs for older people). It seems to split the baby between the Dem's goal of having the young pay for the old and the Rep goal of getting the young cheaper insurance that they can use.

Don't not look like a better deal or fix from what I got out of the article. Never mentions SS so that part is not being addressed what so ever.

Peter1469
02-25-2017, 10:16 AM
Don't not look like a better deal or fix from what I got out of the article. Never mentions SS so that part is not being addressed what so ever.

I think I goofed the link. I edited it.

The article does mention social security, although just one suggested "fix". It really is not a fix, but does save costs.

Peter1469
02-25-2017, 10:19 AM
I think the concept of a better deal is going to mean different things to different people.

Obamacare is a good deal for those on subsidies and older and sicker people. It is a horrible deal for people just above the subsidy threshold. Ultimately it is a bad deal for all, as it is entering its death spiral.

Casper
02-25-2017, 10:23 AM
I think the concept of a better deal is going to mean different things to different people.

Obamacare is a good deal for those on subsidies and older and sicker people. It is a horrible deal for people just above the subsidy threshold. Ultimately it is a bad deal for all, as it is entering its death spiral.
I agree, but the GOP has had YEARS to come up with good replacement or alternative, if this is all they got, pretty much what was already suggested and was rejected, then all I can say is this is ALSO not acceptable. A whole lot of people are not going to be happy, talk about being more talk than action the GOP as it down pat.

Peter1469
02-25-2017, 10:27 AM
I agree, but the GOP has had YEARS to come up with good replacement or alternative, if this is all they got, pretty much what was already suggested and was rejected, then all I can say is this is ALSO not acceptable. A whole lot of people are not going to be happy, talk about being more talk than action the GOP as it down pat.

OK.

I know where the left wants to go- universal coverage. That is also unacceptable to large numbers of Americans.

Instead of Obamacare, expand Medicare for those who cannot get health insurance on the market, introduce market reforms to insurance, such as increased competition, and both the dem and GOP main concerns are addressed.

Crepitus
02-25-2017, 10:36 AM
OK.

I know where the left wants to go- universal coverage. That is also unacceptable to large numbers of Americans.

Instead of Obamacare, expand Medicare for those who cannot get health insurance on the market, introduce market reforms to insurance, such as increased competition, and both the dem and GOP main concerns are addressed.

Why is universal single payer Healthcare unacceptable to some? Just because of the tax burden? That will be offset by the lack of insurance payments and co-pays and such.

MisterVeritis
02-25-2017, 10:38 AM
I agree, but the GOP has had YEARS to come up with good replacement or alternative, if this is all they got, pretty much what was already suggested and was rejected, then all I can say is this is ALSO not acceptable. A whole lot of people are not going to be happy, talk about being more talk than action the GOP as it down pat.
The best solution is to repeal ACA entirely and leave it to the market to solve the problem.

Peter1469
02-25-2017, 10:58 AM
Why is universal single payer Healthcare unacceptable to some? Just because of the tax burden? That will be offset by the lack of insurance payments and co-pays and such.
Also a drop in the quality of care at the expense of coverage.

Common
02-25-2017, 10:58 AM
Why is universal single payer Healthcare unacceptable to some? Just because of the tax burden? That will be offset by the lack of insurance payments and co-pays and such.
They are against it because of the quality of care
Our Va Tricare is the same as universal health care

Peter1469
02-25-2017, 10:59 AM
The best solution is to repeal ACA entirely and leave it to the market to solve the problem.

There will always be people who would be left out in a pure market model.

Tahuyaman
02-25-2017, 01:05 PM
Also a drop in the quality of care at the expense of coverage.


Also less control by the insured.

Peter1469
02-25-2017, 01:55 PM
Also less control by the insured.

Very true. The insured goes to the bottom of the list for control.

AZ Jim
02-25-2017, 02:01 PM
Replace the billions stolen from the SS "trust" fund and SS is good to go!!

Tahuyaman
02-25-2017, 02:02 PM
Very true. The insured goes to the bottom of the list for control.

That is true. President Obama even stated that government will make the determination if the life of the insured person is worth receiving life sustaining care.

He even said it might be better to just medicate people and let them die.

Tahuyaman
02-25-2017, 02:04 PM
Replace the billions stolen from the SS "trust" fund and SS is good to go!!

LBJ opened that box by raiding it to pay for the war in Vietnam. You first need to restore the trust fund itself.

AZ Jim
02-25-2017, 02:13 PM
LBJ opened that box by raiding it to pay for the war in Vietnam. You first need to restore the trust fund itself.N0 one is innocent except those who expect it when they retire.

MisterVeritis
02-25-2017, 02:18 PM
There will always be people who would be left out in a pure market model.
So?

It will be an issue to someone. I imagine charities set up for those unable to buy running shoes for those unable to afford them.

MisterVeritis
02-25-2017, 02:21 PM
Replace the billions stolen from the SS "trust" fund and SS is good to go!!
No money was stolen. The politicians in your generation wrote the laws to extract the greatest possible amount of taxes from you with a poor promise to maybe give some of it back to you if you lived long enough. They lied to you knowing they would never have to face your wrath.

The federal government can begin selling off the 30% of the nation's lands it holds. That money can fund social security for a while longer. Meanwhile, we need to stop lying and collecting for anyone under the age of 30. They are on their own.

They will be better for it.

Crepitus
02-25-2017, 02:24 PM
Also a drop in the quality of care at the expense of coverage.

Not necessarily true.

Bethere
02-25-2017, 02:28 PM
That is true. President Obama even stated that government will make the determination if the life of the insured person is worth receiving life sustaining care.

He even said it might be better to just medicate people and let them die.

Nonsense. Feel free to attempt documentation.

Tahuyaman
02-25-2017, 02:36 PM
N0 one is innocent except those who expect it when they retire.


People of your mind-set destroyed it and now you want to tell people how to fix it. You should be left out of the equation.

Tahuyaman
02-25-2017, 02:43 PM
Nonsense. Feel free to attempt documentation.

ok.....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U-dQfb8WQvo

Tahuyaman
02-25-2017, 02:44 PM
In the socialist utopia it's not up to the insured. It's up to government who gets the rationed care.

Peter1469
02-25-2017, 03:05 PM
Replace the billions stolen from the SS "trust" fund and SS is good to go!!

both parties raided it.

Peter1469
02-25-2017, 03:07 PM
So?

It will be an issue to someone. I imagine charities set up for those unable to buy running shoes for those unable to afford them.

I imagine government will not end all programs to cover them. I suggest something like Stan Brocks Remote Area Medical as he adapted it for rural America. It would look a lot like what military units do before a deployment. Good care on the cheap.

Peter1469
02-25-2017, 03:09 PM
Not necessarily true.

No universal plan can beat a good health insurance policy for care (if you can afford it). That is part of the reason our government plans are going broke. They attempt to give too much quality for freebies.

Crepitus
02-25-2017, 03:16 PM
They are against it because of the quality of care
Our Va Tricare is the same as universal health care

I have lots a friend's which swear by tricare.

Crepitus
02-25-2017, 06:53 PM
No universal plan can beat a good health insurance policy for care (if you can afford it). That is part of the reason our government plans are going broke. They attempt to give too much quality for freebies.

Whole system needs revamped.