Medicaid for all as a basic blanket coverage for all Americans

[ripmeister]

This is an idea that Trump, considering his campaign promises should consider. I think this idea merits discussion. For those of you who are in the social Darwinism camp we know where you stand so save us the time.

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/14/14923784/christopher-ruddy-medicaid

[Captain Obvious]

Say goodbye to access, providers will leave the country by boatloads.

Many of them now won't take Caid, it pays well below the cost of delivering healthcare.

And say hello to McHealthcare.

[Cigar]

The Democrats had this idea 8 years ago and The Republicans Torpedoed it.

[Subdermal]

This is an idea that Trump, considering his campaign promises should consider. I think this idea merits discussion. For those of you who are in the social Darwinism camp we know where you stand so save us the time.

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/14/14923784/christopher-ruddy-medicaid

So you request that your premise that health care is a right should not be challenged?

Seems like someone afraid to debate.

Your idea is nothing more than a diffferent tack to take to institute UHC. No thanks, comrade. You can keep it in your second rate countries. We strive for first rate here.

[Mini Me]

What we need is MEDISCARE for all!

Medicaid sucks!

[MisterVeritis]

This is an idea that Trump, considering his campaign promises should consider. I think this idea merits discussion. For those of you who are in the social Darwinism camp we know where you stand so save us the time.

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/14/14923784/christopher-ruddy-medicaid
This ends the United States of America.

[DGUtley]

I expect it'll come to that as an option. I said it 8 years ago -- why not make everyone that wants it able to sign up for it but retain the then-existing insurance market. No compulsion. No blowing up or controlling anything. If you want a free-market plan, pay for it. If you want Mordor's plan, go for it.

[Peter1469]

When people get free healthcare it should be on the cheap.

Stan Brock has a great way to deliver healthcare to people. Check out Remote Area Medical. It has been adapted to US rural areas as well.

It works. It is not expensive.

[Cthulhu]

This is an idea that Trump, considering his campaign promises should consider. I think this idea merits discussion. For those of you who are in the social Darwinism camp we know where you stand so save us the time.

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/14/14923784/christopher-ruddy-medicaid
I have come a little way on this issue.

Here's why-

Children. Sometimes children can be cursed with dreadful or simply poor parents who cannot afford proper healthcare.

This type of care should be available to all kids.

But that blanket goes away when you become an adult.



Fear profits a man nothing.

[Captain Obvious]

I have come a little way on this issue.

Here's why-

Children. Sometimes children can be cursed with dreadful or simply poor parents who cannot afford proper healthcare.

This type of care should be available to all kids.

But that blanket goes away when you become an adult.



Fear profits a man nothing.

Agreed.

Many states like PA have an "all kids qualify" for coverage program. PA's plan, at least when I lived there covered any kid regardless of household income.

I have no problem with stuff like this. None whatsoever.

I do have a problem covering freeloading adults who are unwilling to earn their keep.

Hence Trump, his election was in part made possible by progressive legislation gone wild.

[Cthulhu]

Agreed.

Many states like PA have an "all kids qualify" for coverage program. PA's plan, at least when I lived there covered any kid regardless of household income.

I have no problem with stuff like this. None whatsoever.

I do have a problem covering freeloading adults who are unwilling to earn their keep.

Hence Trump, his election was in part made possible by progressive legislation gone wild.
That is where my social Darwinism comes into play.

I'll spare the innocent - children, from some of the horrors of this world if I can. But if you become a free loading oxygen thief, well I take a dim view towards that.

Fear profits a man nothing.

[Cigar]

That is where my social Darwinism comes into play.

I'll spare the innocent - children, from some of the horrors of this world if I can. But if you become a free loading oxygen thief, well I take a dim view towards that.

Fear profits a man nothing.

We all take a dim view of that, so why can't we just enforce that without making the people who are in need suffer?

[Cthulhu]

We all take a dim view of that, so why can't we just enforce that without making the people who are in need suffer?
Because partisans are more concerned about their football team winning than solving problems. Both sides are equally guilty.

Ever wonder why I swing libertarian?

Because I believe black homosexual Muslims should still be assured their rights provided they are citizens of this country.

Fear profits a man nothing.

[ripmeister]

So you request that your premise that health care is a right should not be challenged?

Seems like someone afraid to debate.

Your idea is nothing more than a diffferent tack to take to institute UHC. No thanks, comrade. You can keep it in your second rate countries. We strive for first rate here.

Well, first off I won't shy away from a debate. Secondly, "the idea" was from the linked author. I simply found it to be an interesting take on things considering Trumps promises. I would agree that the Medicaid approach would not be good for a host of reasons including the point made about reimbursements. The idea of a basic blanket coverage for all with a private supplementary insurance market might make a good compromise.

[ripmeister]

This ends the United States of America.
Why?

[ripmeister]

I have come a little way on this issue.

Here's why-

Children. Sometimes children can be cursed with dreadful or simply poor parents who cannot afford proper healthcare.

This type of care should be available to all kids.

But that blanket goes away when you become an adult.



Fear profits a man nothing.
This is an important point. Our local Children's hospital treats all regardless of their ability to pay. 50% or greater of their patient population is on Medicaid. If Ryan's plan comes to fruition it will be devastating for that patient population and the providers that give them care.

[Captain Obvious]

Because partisans are more concerned about their football team winning than solving problems. Both sides are equally guilty.

Ever wonder why I swing libertarian?

Because I believe black homosexual Muslims should still be assured their rights provided they are citizens of this country.

Fear profits a man nothing.
Boom

[Cigar]

Because partisans are more concerned about their football team winning than solving problems. Both sides are equally guilty.

Ever wonder why I swing libertarian?

Because I believe black homosexual Muslims should still be assured their rights provided they are citizens of this country.

Fear profits a man nothing.

True, but Voters have the responsibility to Vote, when allowed without obstructions. Elected officials have the responsibility to "Govern" ... that's what Elected Politicians are supose to do. If you don't like Government, do something else for a living. But don't play the part of an Elected Official and not do your Job.

[Cthulhu]

True, but Voters have the responsibility to Vote, when allowed without obstructions. Elected officials have the responsibility to "Govern" ... that's what Elected Politicians are supose to do. If you don't like Government, do something else for a living. But don't play the part of an Elected Official and not do your Job.
I think we disagree on a fundamental level on what government *should* be involved in.

But I agree entirely about doing the job you're paid/elected to do.

Fear profits a man nothing.

[Dr. Who]

Say goodbye to access, providers will leave the country by boatloads.

Many of them now won't take Caid, it pays well below the cost of delivering healthcare.

And say hello to McHealthcare.
The providers are really the doctors. Where will they go? Europe, with public healthcare? The third world?

[Dr. Who]

I have come a little way on this issue.

Here's why-

Children. Sometimes children can be cursed with dreadful or simply poor parents who cannot afford proper healthcare.

This type of care should be available to all kids.

But that blanket goes away when you become an adult.



Fear profits a man nothing.
Some of those parents have kids. Some of those parents are not "on paper" poor enough to qualify for Medicaid, but can't afford to pay for insurance and feed/house their kids. What did they do that they deserve to die if there is treatment to save their lives. Do their children deserve to end up on welfare if the family provider dies? Does it cost more or less than the cost of health care to support people on welfare because the one that is left can't support the family.

[Peter1469]

The providers are really the doctors. Where will they go? Europe, with public healthcare? The third world?

Business school. Law school. Something other than medical school.

[Peter1469]

Or qualify for subsidized O-care and can't afford their new deductibles. That number is slightly higher than those getting the free ride.
Some of those parents have kids. Some of those parents are not "on paper" poor enough to qualify for Medicaid, but can't afford to pay for insurance and feed/house their kids. What did they do that they deserve to die if there is treatment to save their lives. Do their children deserve to end up on welfare if the family provider dies? Does it cost more or less than the cost of health care to support people on welfare because the one that is left can't support the family.