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RtWngaFraud
10-31-2012, 11:44 AM
PinkSlip advocates this position often. Why is that? Does he consider FEMA a portfolio addition too?? American jobs outsourced for profit......is there nothing he DOESN'T think should be outsourced??

RtWngaFraud
11-02-2012, 04:15 PM
I see no one can refute or argue this point.

Good call.

Captain Obvious
11-02-2012, 09:21 PM
Sorry... did you say something?

patlape
11-05-2012, 01:37 PM
Outsourcing certain government agencies is a good thing. Am I on board for outsourcing FEMA; I don't know? I am not knowledgeable enough on the workings of FEMA to say.
There is too much “red tape” for government agencies to operate effectively, the private sector can avoid red tape and get it done more efficiently and at a lower cost. This cannot be a bad thing when looking at our budget crisis.
Examples on how the Federal Government has failed and should outsource include The Post Office and AMTRAX. Other examples on big government failures are easy to spot, the biggest being Social Security, followed by Medi Care and Medi Cade. If the latter two worked well there would not be private business advertising to assist with those programs.
What I do know is there are several nonprofit organizations that are responsive and far more flexible than FEMA. Convoys of Hope and the Red Cross are examples, they do not burden the tax payer but rely on the community to pitch in and help. Additionally, and this is a question, what does FEMA provide that the National Guard (NG) cannot?
The NG has engineers and equipment, man power, and supplies to include food and shelter that are already payed for. In my opinion FEMA money would be better spent equipping the NG to handle these issues. In addition with the NG being specific to each state you could train and localize specialist. South East states, for example, would be equipped to handle hurricane and flood catastrophes. Instead of having a large centralized agency that is a jack of all trades it seems to make more sense to have localized and specialized units already stationed near the affected areas.


Feel free to critique and educate me.

PL

coolwalker
11-05-2012, 02:58 PM
FactCheck.com...no results.

Captain Obvious
11-05-2012, 06:47 PM
Outsourcing certain government agencies is a good thing. Am I on board for outsourcing FEMA; I don't know? I am not knowledgeable enough on the workings of FEMA to say.
There is too much “red tape” for government agencies to operate effectively, the private sector can avoid red tape and get it done more efficiently and at a lower cost. This cannot be a bad thing when looking at our budget crisis.
Examples on how the Federal Government has failed and should outsource include The Post Office and AMTRAX. Other examples on big government failures are easy to spot, the biggest being Social Security, followed by Medi Care and Medi Cade. If the latter two worked well there would not be private business advertising to assist with those programs.
What I do know is there are several nonprofit organizations that are responsive and far more flexible than FEMA. Convoys of Hope and the Red Cross are examples, they do not burden the tax payer but rely on the community to pitch in and help. Additionally, and this is a question, what does FEMA provide that the National Guard (NG) cannot?
The NG has engineers and equipment, man power, and supplies to include food and shelter that are already payed for. In my opinion FEMA money would be better spent equipping the NG to handle these issues. In addition with the NG being specific to each state you could train and localize specialist. South East states, for example, would be equipped to handle hurricane and flood catastrophes. Instead of having a large centralized agency that is a jack of all trades it seems to make more sense to have localized and specialized units already stationed near the affected areas.


Feel free to critique and educate me.

PL

How would one completely privatize FEMA?

What would be investor incentive and what resources would such an operation entail?

I don't see privatizing FEMA as a viable option from a business plan perspective, but TBH I haven't really considered figures at this juncture. Pure questionable speculation on my part.

Peter1469
11-05-2012, 07:10 PM
You don't privatize FEMA, but FEMA uses the various types of federal contracts to leverage the private sector to move into action ASAP after a disaster.

Deadwood
11-05-2012, 07:17 PM
Outsourcing certain government agencies is a good thing. Am I on board for outsourcing FEMA; I don't know? I am not knowledgeable enough on the workings of FEMA to say.
There is too much “red tape” for government agencies to operate effectively, the private sector can avoid red tape and get it done more efficiently and at a lower cost. This cannot be a bad thing when looking at our budget crisis.
Examples on how the Federal Government has failed and should outsource include The Post Office and AMTRAX. Other examples on big government failures are easy to spot, the biggest being Social Security, followed by Medi Care and Medi Cade. If the latter two worked well there would not be private business advertising to assist with those programs.
What I do know is there are several nonprofit organizations that are responsive and far more flexible than FEMA. Convoys of Hope and the Red Cross are examples, they do not burden the tax payer but rely on the community to pitch in and help. Additionally, and this is a question, what does FEMA provide that the National Guard (NG) cannot?
The NG has engineers and equipment, man power, and supplies to include food and shelter that are already payed for. In my opinion FEMA money would be better spent equipping the NG to handle these issues. In addition with the NG being specific to each state you could train and localize specialist. South East states, for example, would be equipped to handle hurricane and flood catastrophes. Instead of having a large centralized agency that is a jack of all trades it seems to make more sense to have localized and specialized units already stationed near the affected areas.


Feel free to critique and educate me.

PL

Count on it. Get your jock on.

Deadwood
11-05-2012, 07:24 PM
Outsourcing certain government agencies is a good thing. Am I on board for outsourcing FEMA; I don't know? I am not knowledgeable enough on the workings of FEMA to say.
There is too much “red tape” for government agencies to operate effectively, the private sector can avoid red tape and get it done more efficiently and at a lower cost. This cannot be a bad thing when looking at our budget crisis.
Examples on how the Federal Government has failed and should outsource include The Post Office and AMTRAX. Other examples on big government failures are easy to spot, the biggest being Social Security, followed by Medi Care and Medi Cade. If the latter two worked well there would not be private business advertising to assist with those programs.
What I do know is there are several nonprofit organizations that are responsive and far more flexible than FEMA. Convoys of Hope and the Red Cross are examples, they do not burden the tax payer but rely on the community to pitch in and help. Additionally, and this is a question, what does FEMA provide that the National Guard (NG) cannot?
The NG has engineers and equipment, man power, and supplies to include food and shelter that are already payed for. In my opinion FEMA money would be better spent equipping the NG to handle these issues. In addition with the NG being specific to each state you could train and localize specialist. South East states, for example, would be equipped to handle hurricane and flood catastrophes. Instead of having a large centralized agency that is a jack of all trades it seems to make more sense to have localized and specialized units already stationed near the affected areas.


Feel free to critique and educate me.

PL

Privatizing works in some respects, but not others. In cities for example, garbage collection improved when turned over to the private sector. However, road clearing as in snow removal in the interior of British Columbia is a nightmare. You can't predict when a storm is going to hit or how long it will last. Thus you get serious overtime.

FEMA is not one of those with which privatizing will work; however some aspects could be outsourced. I mean those fools ran out of bottled water for three days. If getting paid was the motive you can bet your smelly ass there would be water from somewhere. But government bureaucrats don't think like that and need week ends off to recuperate from posting on political forums all week long.

Deadwood
11-05-2012, 07:34 PM
What the hell is wrong with you people. This newbie has proposed outsourcing government work and there hasn't been one post about "teabaggers", no mention of Neocon and nothing about "BUSH DID IT TOO!"

Fuck, you guys are slipping. Are there Addams Family re-runs or something?

Chris
11-05-2012, 08:14 PM
The refutation is simple: Moral Hazard.

FEMA, Moral Hazard, and Devolution (http://bastiat.mises.org/2012/11/fema-moral-hazard-and-devolution/)

The Harvard Business Review on The Problem with FEMA No One Is Talking About: moral hazard. (H/T Peter Klein)
“For a minute, imagine that there was no FEMA and each geographic location was on its own, forced to use private insurance and state-level funds to rebuild after disasters. Such constraints would likely encourage less risk taking before a disaster.”

...Mitt Romney, of all people, has evinced more understanding of the devolution argument than the Libertarian Party candidate for the United States Presidency. When asked about abolishing FEMA, Romney said:
“Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that’s the right direction. And if you can go even further, and send it back to the private sector, that’s even better.”

Captain Obvious
11-05-2012, 10:55 PM
You don't privatize FEMA, but FEMA uses the various types of federal contracts to leverage the private sector to move into action ASAP after a disaster.

i guess that's what I was getting at, plus add public sector and charities.

Deadwood
11-05-2012, 11:23 PM
I see no one can refute or argue this point.

Good call.

Oh God no. We've just learned to ignore you.