US Secretary of State Tillerson calls for “new approach” to North Korea

[Peter1469]

US Secretary of State Tillerson calls for “new approach” to North Korea (http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/content/us-secretary-state-tillerson-calls-new-approach-north-korea?utm_source=World+Affairs+Newsletter&utm_campaign=a84cb3484c-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_03_16&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_f83b38c5c7-a84cb3484c-294709645)

The "media" has been claiming that Tillerson was being sidelined, although they have not supported that claim.

Tillerson is calling for a new approach to the denuclearization of North Korea.


Tillerson was speaking at a news conference following talks with Japanese Foreign Minister Fumio Kishida in Tokyo, the start of his first trip to Asia as secretary of state. It was the first time Tillerson, a former oil executive with no prior diplomatic experience, had taken questions from the media since coming into office in early February.

Two decades of diplomatic and other efforts, including aid given to North Korea by the United States, had failed to achieve the goal of denuclearizing Pyongyang, he said.


failed to achieve the goal of denuclearizing Pyongyang, he said.By REUTERS MARCH 17, 2017 12:10 AM (UTC+8)

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US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said on Thursday the escalating threat from North Korea’s nuclear program showed a clear need for a “new approach,” although he stopped short of detailing what steps the Trump administration would pursue.
Tillerson was speaking at a news conference following talks with Japanese Foreign Minister Fumio Kishida in Tokyo, the start of his first trip to Asia as secretary of state. It was the first time Tillerson, a former oil executive with no prior diplomatic experience, had taken questions from the media since coming into office in early February.
Two decades of diplomatic and other efforts, including aid given to North Korea by the United States, had failed to achieve the goal of denuclearizing Pyongyang, he said.

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“So we have 20 years of failed approach,” Tillerson said. “That includes a period where the United States has provided $1.35 billion in assistance to North Korea as an encouragement to take a different pathway.”









Next up- talks with South Korea.

[OGIS]

US Secretary of State Tillerson calls for “new approach” to North Korea (http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/content/us-secretary-state-tillerson-calls-new-approach-north-korea?utm_source=World+Affairs+Newsletter&utm_campaign=a84cb3484c-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_03_16&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_f83b38c5c7-a84cb3484c-294709645)

The "media" has been claiming that Tillerson was being sidelined, although they have not supported that claim.

Tillerson is calling for a new approach to the denuclearization of North Korea.




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This is not good. Off the top of my head, I can recall only two types of nation-state communications: diplomacy... or war.

If Tillerson is cutting a deal with the Chinese, and keeping them in the loop, then Lil Kim's days are numbered and this whole thing can be Kabuki-Theater managed.

If not... well, a good conventional war with China would be nasty. The VA Hospital in Long Beach is just now starting some new expansions and renovations. They may need them.

Otherwise, I cannot imagine China going along with anything but total demilitarization and neutralization of a united Korea. Massive international aid will be needed to deprogram the NK peasants of Juche brainwashing and bring them into the 20th century. But there will still be lots of turmoil.

[Peter1469]

This is not good. Off the top of my head, I can recall only two types of nation-state communications: diplomacy... or war.

If Tillerson is cutting a deal with the Chinese, and keeping them in the loop, then Lil Kim's days are numbered and this whole thing can be Kabuki-Theater managed.

If not... well, a good conventional war with China would be nasty. The VA Hospital in Long Beach is just now starting some new expansions and renovations. They may need them.

Otherwise, I cannot imagine China going along with anything but total demilitarization and neutralization of a united Korea. Massive international aid will be needed to deprogram the NK peasants of Juche brainwashing and bring them into the 20th century. But there will still be lots of turmoil.

The South Koreans are not interested in the expense of making North Koreans normal.

I suspect that China knows the deal: Kim won't be allowed ICBM technology. They may well step in. Which explains a lot of Kim's assassinations inside of North Korea: senior people with ties to China.

[OGIS]

The South Koreans are not interested in the expense of making North Koreans normal.

They are a modern, wealthy, industrialized society. They need to put on their Big Boy pants, step up to the plate, and help their relatives in the north.

As I said, massive international aid should flow into NK.

I suspect that China knows the deal: Kim won't be allowed ICBM technology. They may well step in. Which explains a lot of Kim's assassinations inside of North Korea: senior people with ties to China.
Yes.

[Crepitus]

US Secretary of State Tillerson calls for “new approach” to North Korea (http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/content/us-secretary-state-tillerson-calls-new-approach-north-korea?utm_source=World+Affairs+Newsletter&utm_campaign=a84cb3484c-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_03_16&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_f83b38c5c7-a84cb3484c-294709645)

The "media" has been claiming that Tillerson was being sidelined, although they have not supported that claim.

Tillerson is calling for a new approach to the denuclearization of North Korea.




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Not included in meetings with Japan, Canada, or Israel. White House is doing his hiring and firing. No press briefings, a daily fixture since the 1950s. Cutting State dept. budget.

How much more support do you need?

[Crepitus]

The South Koreans are not interested in the expense of making North Koreans normal.

I suspect that China knows the deal: Kim won't be allowed ICBM technology. They may well step in. Which explains a lot of Kim's assassinations inside of North Korea: senior people with ties to China.

I've said this before.

[AeonPax]

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If it prevents war, I'm all for it.

[Peter1469]

Tillerson says diplomacy with North Korea has ‘failed’; Pyongyang warns of war (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/tillerson-stresses-regional-cooperation-to-curb-north-koreas-weapons-programs/2017/03/16/4ec5e07c-09ab-11e7-bd19-fd3afa0f7e2a_story.html?utm_term=.0d797b45f56f)


The Trump administration made a clear break Thursday with diplomatic efforts to talk North Korea out of a nuclear confrontation, bringing the United States and its Asian allies closer to a military response than at any point in more than a decade.

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said that 20 years of trying to persuade North Korea to abandon its nuclear program had failed and that he was visiting Asia “to exchange views on a new approach.”

I still think it is a push to get China to tame North Korea. Although it leaves little options if that does not work.

I posted this elsewhere, but it fits here as well. It is a hypo on how an attack on North Korea may go down.

The US is considering a direct strike against North Korea — here’s how it would go down (http://www.businessinsider.com/how-us-would-strike-north-korea-2017-3)
It is somewhat long, but really interested for those who like to war-game this stuff.

[OGIS]

Tillerson says diplomacy with North Korea has ‘failed’; Pyongyang warns of war (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/tillerson-stresses-regional-cooperation-to-curb-north-koreas-weapons-programs/2017/03/16/4ec5e07c-09ab-11e7-bd19-fd3afa0f7e2a_story.html?utm_term=.0d797b45f56f)



I still think it is a push to get China to tame North Korea. Although it leaves little options if that does not work.

I posted this elsewhere, but it fits here as well. It is a hypo on how an attack on North Korea may go down.

The US is considering a direct strike against North Korea — here’s how it would go down (http://www.businessinsider.com/how-us-would-strike-north-korea-2017-3)


It is somewhat long, but really interested for those who like to war-game this stuff.

Thanks so much for posting this.

Whups. Except the site wants me to turn off my ad blocker to read the article. I don't think so. Can you post the gist of it, long exerpts?

[Peter1469]

Thanks so much for posting this.

Whups. Except the site wants me to turn off my ad blocker to read the article. I don't think so. Can you post the gist of it, long exerpts?

It works with my ad blocker.


The best tools the US could use against North Korea would be stealth aircraft like the F-22 and B-2 bomber, according to Tack.The US would slowly but surely position submarines, Navy ships, and stealth aircraft at bases near North Korea in ways that avoid provoking the Hermit Kingdom's suspicions.
Then, when the time was right, bombers would rip across the sky and ships would let loose with an awesome volley of firepower. The US already has considerable combat capability amassed in the region (http://www.businessinsider.com/f-22-nuclear-submarine-to-south-korea-2017-2).
"Suddenly you'd read on the news that the US has conducted these airstrikes," said Tack.
While the F-22 and F-35 would certainly do work over North Korea missile production sites, it really a job for the B-2.
As a long-range stealth bomber with a huge ordnance capacity, the B-2 could drop massive, 30,000 pound bombs on deep underground bunkers in North Korea — and they could do it from as far away as Guam or the continental United States.


The initial targets would include nuclear reactors, missile production facilities, and launching pads for ICBMs, according to Tack.Cruise missiles would pour in from the sea, F-22s would beat down North Korea's rudimentary air defenses, and B-2s would pound every known missile site into dust.
Planes like the F-35 and F-22 would frantically hunt down mobile missile launchers, which can hide all over North Korea's mountainous terrain. In the event that North Korea does get off a missile, the US and South Korea have layered missile defenses that would attempt to shoot it out of the sky.

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[Peter1469]

Why the sudden collapse of North Korea would be hell on Earth (http://theweek.com/articles/681846/why-sudden-collapse-north-korea-hell-earth)

The major concern for the West would be the possible proliferation of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons.


To make matters even worse, Kim is now armed with nuclear weapons that most experts think can hit not only South Korea and Japan, but in the next few years, the U.S. homeland. By 2020, some scholars (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/10/science/north-korea-nuclear-weapons.html?_r=0) believe North Korea could have enough atomic material for 100 nuclear bombs.

But in all fairness, there is one event possibly even more perilous than Pyongyang showing itself capable of launching a nuclear attack on Asia or America. Oddly enough, it is something many experts over the last few weeks have been rooting for — the collapse of North Korea's government.





On the surface, the downfall of Pyongyang would seem like an unquestionable good thing, the death of a totalitarian state that should have long ago been tossed into the dustbin of history. However, just a quick walkthrough of what could happen in an uncontrolled collapse sends shivers down the spine of anyone who has studied the subject in detail — a topic that has been grossly underexamined in popular media considering the stakes.


While a full review of the possible ways the North Korean state could meet its end is worthy of its own separate treatment, the dangers after a sudden collapse are quite clear.

Read the entire article at the link.