No Voter Fraud?

[patrickt]

I realize the left has their talking points. There is no election fraud. Nope. Virtually none. Look how few are prosecuted. I understand that but I get confused when liberals insist that the instances of prosecution for domestic violence, rape, incest, and child abuse don't come close to reflecting the extent of those problems. But, for election fraud it's back to the Bill Clinton defense of "he hasn't been convicted yet."

"Indeed, a 2012 Rasmussen poll found 64 percent of Americans think voter fraud is “very” or “somewhat” serious. African-Americans (64 percent) and those earning under $20,000 a year (71 percent) agreed. The Supreme Court has backed that concern. In 2008, it found states have the right to pass photo ID laws in an opinion written by liberal Justice John Paul Stevens. In a unanimous 2006 decision reinstating Arizona’s voter ID law, the court stated: “Voter fraud drives honest citizens out of the democratic process … Voters who fear their legitimate votes will be outweighed by fraudulent ones will feel disenfranchised.”
http://www.humanevents.com/2012/11/01/voter-fraud-is-no-myth-its-more-common-than-you-think/

I was shocked to find something on which I agreed with Sen. Dodd.
"Former Democratic Senator Chris Dodd of Connecticut put it simply when he co-authored the Help America Vote Act in 2002: “We should make it easy to vote, and hard to cheat. We can do both.” We should get to work to do just that."

Sadly, leftist have a big stake in keeping election fraud active so they resist any attempt to clean up the mess and sue any who try. If they were capable of shame they would surely be ashamed. The biggest shame is the slur against those who do want honest elections that it's racist because leftists think blacks aren't really capable of voting.

"We should clean up our voter rolls, require those casting absentee ballots to provide a driver’s license or Social Security number and make photo ID mandatory at the polls. Photo ID will not just stop the voter impersonation liberals claim doesn’t exist, but will cut down on multiple voting, non-citizen voting, people voting in the wrong precinct, out-of-state voting and voting in the names of fictitious people.Former Democratic Congressman Artur Davis says he stopped opposing photo ID laws because he knows of too many instances of voter fraud in his Alabama district. “The worst kind of voter suppression today is the wholesale manufacture of ballots in African-American neighborhoods,” he told me."

See, not all Democrats are left-wing frauds. But, some are:
"–A Democratic nominee for Congress had to resign in Maryland last month because she had voted in two states at the same time.
–An Arkansas state legislator resigned from office after pleading guilty along with a city councilman and police officer to committing voter fraud.
–In Iowa, a Canadian couple and a Mexican citizen were charged with illegally voting in U.S. elections.
–The guilty plea in California of a Mexican drug dealer who fraudulently voted in the 2008 election while in this country illegally."

They make Democrats proud. Fight for honest elections.

"

[Trinnity]

The left denies it. Yet it was found that over a thousand felons voted in the election where Al Franken won after being behind - after votes were "found" in a car trunk. What the hell are votes doing in a car trunk anyway???

[waltky]

SCOTUS okay with voter ID law...
:cool2:
Supreme Court refuses to block Texas voter ID law
April 29, 2016 | WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court on Friday rejected an emergency appeal to stop Texas from enforcing its challenged voter ID law. But the court said it could revisit the issue as the November elections approach.


The law has been in effect for recent elections, even after a trial judge struck it down in 2014 and an appellate panel found last year that the law had a discriminatory effect on minority voters. The challengers in the ongoing lawsuit argue there is no reason to allow the requirement to show picture identification at the polls to remain in place. But justices rejected the plea in a brief order Friday. The full New Orleans-based appeals court will hold a new hearing on the Texas law in May. The high court said that it is aware of "the time constraints the parties confront in light of the scheduled elections." If the full appeals court has not issued a ruling by July 20, the court said, it would entertain a renewed emergency appeal over the voter ID law.

Gerry Hebert, who runs the public interest law firm that represents Texas voters challenging the law, said Friday's order gives his clients a chance to again ask the Supreme Court for help if the appeals court does not rule quickly. "This order gives us the opportunity to protect Texas voters if the 5th Circuit fails to rule in time," said Hebert, executive director of the Campaign Legal Center. Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton called the identification requirement a "common-sense law to provide simple protections to the integrity of our elections and the democratic process in our state." He said the state looked forward to defending the law in the appeals court next month.

Friday's order was the second time the justices have refused to block the voter ID law in Texas. In 2014, the court allowed the law to be used in the then-imminent general election. The order two years ago was issued two days before the start of early voter in Texas and without explanation, but appeared to be based on the court's view that changing the rules so close to an election would be confusing. Three justices dissented in 2014: Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor. Ginsburg, writing for the dissenters, said the ID requirement created the potential for "racially discriminatory voter disenfranchisement."

Other Republican-controlled states, including Wisconsin and North Carolina, have passed similar voter ID measures that also are being fought in the courts. But the Texas law is widely viewed as one of the nation's toughest. It requires one of seven forms of approved identification, but unlike other states with voter ID restrictions, Texas doesn't recognize university IDs from college students. It does, however, accept concealed handgun licenses as proof of identity. Free voting IDs are available from the state, but opponents have said getting those cards still puts underlying financial costs on voters, such as paying for birth certificate copies and travel. While there have been anecdotal reports of confusion in the Texas elections held while the law is in force, there haven't been widespread issues with people being unable to cast ballots because they lacked proper identification.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/supreme-court-refuses-block-texas-voter-id-law

[Bo-4]

The left denies it. Yet it was found that over a thousand felons voted in the election where Al Franken won after being behind - after votes were "found" in a car trunk. What the hell are votes doing in a car trunk anyway???

Conservatives LOVE their urban legends!

http://www.alternet.org/gop-voter-fraud-hucksters-latest-lie-felons-made-franken-us-senator

[Quicksilver]

Conservatives LOVE their urban legends!

http://www.alternet.org/gop-voter-fraud-hucksters-latest-lie-felons-made-franken-us-senator

They sure as hell do....

[Bo-4]

http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/writers/mike_ivey/voter-fraud-case-targets-scott-walker-backer/article_7afa077e-faf2-11e3-b655-0019bb2963f4.html

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/06/21/shocker-republicans-account-for-most-cases-of-u-s-voter-fraud/

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/8/7/1229644/-Another-Republican-convicted-of-felony-voter-fraud

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=9643

[Standing Wolf]

The OP cited perhaps a half dozen alleged cases of someone actually voting illegally. Not exactly a compelling reason, in my view, to do anything.

I'm actually in favor of voter ID laws, however - not because voter fraud is rampant, because it isn't. Certainly not because a very small group of ill-prepared citizens will always be, regardless of how much assistance in acquiring a photo ID is offered to them by any number of agencies and private groups, unable to vote in any given election.

I'm in favor of them because voting is an important act of citizenship, and being put in a position where you have to positively identify yourself before being permitted to do it emphasizes that point. I have to show my photo ID when I use my debit card at the ballpark, or get on an airplane or cash a check at the bank. If the requirement to have a photo ID "disenfranchises" a particular group, then let's work - as many already are - at determining why that is the case and fix the situation.

[Bo-4]

The OP cited perhaps a half dozen alleged cases of someone actually voting illegally. Not exactly a compelling reason, in my view, to do anything.

I'm actually in favor of voter ID laws, however - not because voter fraud is rampant, because it isn't. Certainly not because a very small group of ill-prepared citizens will always be, regardless of how much assistance in acquiring a photo ID is offered to them by any number of agencies and private groups, unable to vote in any given election.

I'm in favor of them because voting is an important act of citizenship, and being put in a position where you have to positively identify yourself before being permitted to do it emphasizes that point. I have to show my photo ID when I use my debit card at the ballpark, or get on an airplane or cash a check at the bank. If the requirement to have a photo ID "disenfranchises" a particular group, then let's work - as many already are - at determining why that is the case and fix the situation.

We'll pry their beloved myths from their cold dead hands.

Bush DOJ spends 5 years and tens of millions looking for Bigfoot - Nada.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud.html?_r=0

[SurelySimple]

I realize the left has their talking points. There is no election fraud. Nope. Virtually none. Look how few are prosecuted. I understand that but I get confused when liberals insist that the instances of prosecution for domestic violence, rape, incest, and child abuse don't come close to reflecting the extent of those problems. But, for election fraud it's back to the Bill Clinton defense of "he hasn't been convicted yet."

"Indeed, a 2012 Rasmussen poll found 64 percent of Americans think voter fraud is “very” or “somewhat” serious. African-Americans (64 percent) and those earning under $20,000 a year (71 percent) agreed. The Supreme Court has backed that concern. In 2008, it found states have the right to pass photo ID laws in an opinion written by liberal Justice John Paul Stevens. In a unanimous 2006 decision reinstating Arizona’s voter ID law, the court stated: “Voter fraud drives honest citizens out of the democratic process … Voters who fear their legitimate votes will be outweighed by fraudulent ones will feel disenfranchised.”
http://www.humanevents.com/2012/11/01/voter-fraud-is-no-myth-its-more-common-than-you-think/

I was shocked to find something on which I agreed with Sen. Dodd.
"Former Democratic Senator Chris Dodd of Connecticut put it simply when he co-authored the Help America Vote Act in 2002: “We should make it easy to vote, and hard to cheat. We can do both.” We should get to work to do just that."

Sadly, leftist have a big stake in keeping election fraud active so they resist any attempt to clean up the mess and sue any who try. If they were capable of shame they would surely be ashamed. The biggest shame is the slur against those who do want honest elections that it's racist because leftists think blacks aren't really capable of voting.

"We should clean up our voter rolls, require those casting absentee ballots to provide a driver’s license or Social Security number and make photo ID mandatory at the polls. Photo ID will not just stop the voter impersonation liberals claim doesn’t exist, but will cut down on multiple voting, non-citizen voting, people voting in the wrong precinct, out-of-state voting and voting in the names of fictitious people.Former Democratic Congressman Artur Davis says he stopped opposing photo ID laws because he knows of too many instances of voter fraud in his Alabama district. “The worst kind of voter suppression today is the wholesale manufacture of ballots in African-American neighborhoods,” he told me."

See, not all Democrats are left-wing frauds. But, some are:
"–A Democratic nominee for Congress had to resign in Maryland last month because she had voted in two states at the same time.
–An Arkansas state legislator resigned from office after pleading guilty along with a city councilman and police officer to committing voter fraud.
–In Iowa, a Canadian couple and a Mexican citizen were charged with illegally voting in U.S. elections.
–The guilty plea in California of a Mexican drug dealer who fraudulently voted in the 2008 election while in this country illegally."

They make Democrats proud. Fight for honest elections.

"


First off let me remind you of what you already know…..
A long list of GOP officials and elected members of various bodies state and federal have already said what the new voter fraud legislation is for: to make it difficult for folks of color, poor and students from voting.
This is called voter suppression and is unconstitutional.
More so, to think any campaign of organized voter fraud could tip the balance of most elections which are won number that defy being over turned even by the best of organizational skills and would go unnoticed................. If you believe this can happen...... I got this bridge. I'm looking to unload.....

Now secondly let remind you of what you do not know……
For sure there is voter fraud. But it occurs after the vote has been taken.
Voter tally boxes go missing; ballots cast do not match the number of votes taken +/- (In one elections in Florida 20,000 votes disappeared…
Central computers of the Supervisor of elections hacked into and votes changed… Voting totals sent from ED’s to the SOL go lost or are inaccurate….. oh the list is a long one
Electronic voting machines that cannot count. And purchase of electronic voting machines must be “programed before the election” but cannot be verified by election officials because the information is proprietary.
You might be interested to know the two major sources of voting machines are from companies, one is owned by Saudi Arabia; and the other rumored to be controlled by the Soros Group.
So if you are interested to see if there is any voter fraud afoot……..
Don’t waste your time looking to the voter….
But keep your eyes on the one’s that count the vote

[Doublejack]

Why are you basing your post on what Americans "think" the numbers are rather than basing it on what the numbers actually are?

[Crepitus]

Voter fraud, which was supposedly rampant in Kansas is in all actuality virtually nonexistent. Recently the Kris Kobach, the Kansas Secretary of State, was given carte blanche to prosecute voter fraud. He has secured ONE conviction. Yes, that's right, one single person convicted of voter fraud, and only six cases total. There's an effective use of state resources.




If you're a republican that is.

Then again on the other hand there's this:

According to (http://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article27951310.html) the Wichita Eagle, Wichita State mathematician Beth Clarkson has found irregularities in election returns from Sedgwick County, along with other counties throughout the United States, but has faced stiff opposition from the state in trying to confirm whether the irregularities are fraud or other, less-nefarious anomalies.Analyzing election returns at a precinct level, Clarkson found (http://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article17139890.html) that candidate support was correlated, to a statistically significant degree, with the size of the precinct. In Republican primaries, the bias has been toward the establishment candidates over tea partiers. In general elections, it has favored Republican candidates over Democrats, even when the demographics of the precincts in question suggested that the opposite should have been true.

Link http://americablog.com/2015/08/mathematician-actual-voter-fraud-kansas-republicans.html

Has anyone else noticed that people tend to accuse others of what they are themselves guilty of? Like cheating spouses accusing their opposite number?

[hanger4]

First off let me remind you of what you already know…..
A long list of GOP officials and elected members of various bodies state and federal have already said what the new voter fraud legislation is for: to make it difficult for folks of color, poor and students from voting.
This is called voter suppression and is unconstitutional.
More so, to think any campaign of organized voter fraud could tip the balance of most elections which are won number that defy being over turned even by the best of organizational skills and would go unnoticed................. If you believe this can happen...... I got this bridge. I'm looking to unload.....

Now secondly let remind you of what you do not know……
For sure there is voter fraud. But it occurs after the vote has been taken.
Voter tally boxes go missing; ballots cast do not match the number of votes taken +/- (In one elections in Florida 20,000 votes disappeared…
Central computers of the Supervisor of elections hacked into and votes changed… Voting totals sent from ED’s to the SOL go lost or are inaccurate….. oh the list is a long one
Electronic voting machines that cannot count. And purchase of electronic voting machines must be “programed before the election” but cannot be verified by election officials because the information is proprietary.
You might be interested to know the two major sources of voting machines are from companies, one is owned by Saudi Arabia; and the other rumored to be controlled by the Soros Group.
So if you are interested to see if there is any voter fraud afoot……..
Don’t waste your time looking to the voter….
But keep your eyes on the one’s that count the vote

"A long list of GOP officials and elected members of various bodies state and federal have already said what the new voter fraud legislation is for: to make it difficult for folks of color, poor and students from voting".

Bull shit