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Common
04-11-2017, 06:52 AM
The article is longer, where I stopped it takes up and demonstrates the real numbers on filbusters an cloture.

Facts Matter: Debunking Democrats' Misleading Claim on 'Unprecedented' Filibusters

As Justice Gorsuch takes his seat on the Supreme Court, furious liberals are channeling their bitterness in various ways. Two popular refrains are that Gorsuch is an "illegitimate (https://twitter.com/imillhiser/status/850380112835072000)" justice who occupies a "stolen" seat (wrong (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2016/12/26/nyt-why-these-illegitimate-republicans-have-stolen-a-scotus-seat-n2263682)), and that Mitch McConnell is History's Greatest Monster for placing a risky political bet (while playing Democrat-style hardball) and winning (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2017/04/10/report-how-mitch-mcconnell-made-justice-gorsuch-happen-n2311085). These arguments ignore historical precedent (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2016/02/15/analysis-senate-gop-can-and-should-prevent-obama-from-replacing-scalia-n2119606) and inconvenient context (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2016/02/22/video-biden-urges-obama-not-to-nominate-scalias-replacement-in-election-year-n2123261), and rest on the preposterous notion that McConnell and his party are the bad actors here. As Matt noted earlier, even former Senate Democratic leader Tom Daschle -- who was ousted by South Dakotans in 2004 in large measure due to his featured role in anti-Bush obstructionism -- acknowledges that Democrats have "far dirtier hands (https://twitter.com/RealClearNews/status/851074771890692096)" on these issues than their opponents. He's right (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2017/04/04/unprecedented-make-senate-democrats-pay-for-their-toxic-partisanship-n2308081).
Nevertheless, in an effort to draw a false moral equivalency, lefties are leaning on a Democratic distortion about Republicans' supposedly "unprecedented" number of filibusters against President Obama's judicial nominees.
In his irate screed (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/mitch-mcconnell-the-man-who-broke-america/2017/04/07/8e12f1d8-1bbd-11e7-9887-1a5314b56a08_story.html?utm_term=.876592a0f9ec) against McConnell, Washington Post columnist Dana Milbank (http://thefederalist.com/2014/06/17/friends-dont-let-friends-read-dana-milbank/) repeats the claim that “by 2013…79 of Obama’s nominees had been blocked by filibusters, compared with 68 in the entire previous history of the Republic.” This talking point would suggest that the GOP's actions were truly extraordinary and outrageous, and might offer a legitimate justification for Harry Reid's decision to "go nuclear." The dramatic number does, however, seem difficult to square with the fact that over the course of his first term (leading into 2013), Obama's circuit court nominees enjoyed a higher confirmation rate (https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R43058.pdf) than George W. Bush's did. That's because the statistic is "absurdly wrong," as explained

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2017/04/10/facts-matter-debunking-democrats-misleading-claim-on-unprecedented-obama-filibusters-n2311462

Crepitus
04-11-2017, 07:26 AM
Gorsuch is no more a legitimate supreme court justice than tRump is the legitimate president.

Republicans have done what they always do, lied, cheated, and stole.

It's the only way they can win anything.

Common
04-11-2017, 07:54 AM
First of all read the entire article and then comment on the article. This isnt about gorsuch, if you want to bash gorsuch then by all means start a thread and do so.

This is about the democrats LIEING about who produced the environment and rules that has changed protocols in the senate. If you go to the link you will fine this is a liberal columnist who is being critical of democrat claims.

Reasonable people told harry reid if you do this it will come back to haunt you. Past democrat Senate leaders and house leaders told him not to do it. So here we are crepitus their warnings to harry coming true.
The dems made their bed pissed in it now they have to lay in it.

patrickt
04-11-2017, 08:18 AM
Debunking Democrats is pointless. When have they told the truth. On anything.

Justice Gorsuch certainly isn't illegal, the Democrats changed the rule on filibusters to pack leftists into the federal courts and the Republicans did the same for the Supreme Court. Democrats think it's grossly unfair for their opponents to do what they do.

Cannons Front
04-11-2017, 12:02 PM
Gorsuch is no more a legitimate supreme court justice than tRump is the legitimate president.
Republicans have done what they always do, lied, cheated, and stole. It's the only way they can win anything.

You are right about some of that, Trump and Gorsuch are just as legitimate as each other, Trump was elected POTUS when he gained more than the 270 electoral votes required and his opponent did not, that make him 100% legitimate. Gorsuch was nominated for the SCOTUS, he was confirmed by the Senate according to the Constitution.
They are both 100% legitimate

Crepitus
04-11-2017, 04:47 PM
You are right about some of that, Trump and Gorsuch are just as legitimate as each other, Trump was elected POTUS when he gained more than the 270 electoral votes required and his opponent did not, that make him 100% legitimate. Gorsuch was nominated for the SCOTUS, he was confirmed by the Senate according to the Constitution.
They are both 100% legitimate

Wrong. tRump usurped the presidency with help from a hostile foreign power. Gorsuch stole a Supreme Court seat thanks to that and obstruction from senate republicans.

hanger4
04-11-2017, 05:04 PM
Wrong. tRump usurped the presidency with help from a hostile foreign power. Gorsuch stole a Supreme Court seat thanks to that and obstruction from senate republicans.

As del is want to say,

Lawdy

:rofl:

Crepitus
04-11-2017, 06:13 PM
As del is want to say,

Lawdy

:rofl:

Del is a pretty smart fella, you are wise to learn from him.

Bethere
04-11-2017, 06:21 PM
Del is a pretty smart fella, you are wise to learn from him.

Sho 'nuff!

hanger4
04-11-2017, 06:34 PM
Del is a pretty smart fella, you are wise to learn from him.

His snark is top-o-da-line. :thumbsup:

hanger4
04-11-2017, 06:35 PM
Sho 'nuff!

You're running out a material too I see. :rofl: