Isis faces exodus of foreign fighters as its 'caliphate' crumbles

[Peter1469]

Isis faces exodus of foreign fighters as its 'caliphate' crumbles (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/26/isis-exodus-foreign-fighters-caliphate-crumbles)
How many of them will carry on the fight back in their home nations? This has had western nations concerned for some time.


Large numbers of foreign fighters and sympathisers are abandoning Islamic State (https://www.theguardian.com/world/isis)and trying to enter Turkey, with at least two British nationals and a US citizen joining an exodus that is depleting the ranks of the terror group.

Stefan Aristidou (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/26/stefan-aristidou-the-missing-londoner-who-resurfaced-in-turkey), from Enfield in north London, his British wife and Kary Paul Kleman, from Florida, last week surrendered to Turkish border police after more than two years in areas controlled by Isis, sources have confirmed to the Guardian.


Dozens more foreigners have fled in recent weeks, most caught as they tried to cross the frontier, as Isis’s capacity to hold ground in Syria and Iraq collapses. Some – it is not known how many – are thought to have evaded capture and made it across the border into Turkey (https://www.theguardian.com/world/turkey).


Aristidou, who is believed to be in his mid-20s, surrendered at the Kilis crossing in southern Turkey along with his wife – said to be a British woman of Bangladeshi heritage – and Kleman, 46. The American had arrived at the border with a Syrian wife and two Egyptian women, whose spouses had been killed in Syria (https://www.theguardian.com/world/syria) or Iraq, Turkish officials said.


Aristidou said he had travelled to Syria to settle rather than fight. The officials said he had admitted to having been based in Raqqa and al-Bab, both of which had been Isis strongholds until al-Bab was recaptured by Turkish-backed Syrian opposition forces earlier this year. He went missing in April 2015 after flying to Larnaca in Cyprus. Neighbours told the Guardian that he had adopted Islamic dress shortly before he disappeared.

[resister]

When you tent a house for roaches they either flee, or die. Fleas flee, the corpse.

[resister]

When you tent a house for roaches they either flee, or die. Fleas flee, the corpse.
The roaches that make it out, go to the nearest shelter.

[Peter1469]

ISIL was a proto-state with basically a motorized infantry for an army. When that proto-state collapses, many of the fighters will shift gears to international terrorism.

Personally, I would prefer them to be killing one another in Middle Eastern deserts than trying to blow me up in the United Lounge in Munich.

[resister]

ISIL was a proto-state with basically a motorized infantry for an army. When that proto-state collapses, many of the fighters will shift gears to international terrorism.

Personally, I would prefer them to be killing one another in Middle Eastern deserts than trying to blow me up in the United Lounge in Munich.They should slaughter them at the border, but the lack of uniforms would present a problem, geurilla warfare is hell.

[Peter1469]

They should slaughter them at the border, but the lack of uniforms would present a problem, geurilla warfare is hell.
Yes. They are using so-called forth generation warfare tactics. (I don't agree with the term).

[patrickt]

If true, and I suspect it is, then it's a classic case of rats abandoning the ship. Damn, I bet they miss Obama.

[Peter1469]

If true, and I suspect it is, then it's a classic case of rats abandoning the ship. Damn, I bet they miss Obama.

The Islamic State is being rolled back. The day after they declared their Caliphate I predicted they would not last.

[Casper]

Isis faces exodus of foreign fighters as its 'caliphate' crumbles (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/26/isis-exodus-foreign-fighters-caliphate-crumbles)


How many of them will carry on the fight back in their home nations? This has had western nations concerned for some time.
If someone is known to have gone off to fight for ISIS and attempts to return to their Nation now, if that Nation is smart those people will be arrested and put on trial for any and every crime that is applicable and locked up or executed as fits their crimes. What they cannot be allowed to do is simply blend back into their society with the highly probable result being them attacking their own fellow citizens, totally unacceptable.

[Peter1469]

If someone is known to have gone off to fight for ISIS and attempts to return to their Nation now, if that Nation is smart those people will be arrested and put on trial for any and every crime that is applicable and locked up or executed as fits their crimes. What they cannot be allowed to do is simply blend back into their society with the highly probable result being them attacking their own fellow citizens, totally unacceptable.


I agree. European nations are trying to deradicalize them. I think that is too risky.

[Casper]

I agree. European nations are trying to deradicalize them. I think that is too risky.
Their stupidity, maybe they need to read up on what kinds of "acts" these monsters have been performing at the behest of Terrorists/Criminals. I do not think anyone radicalized as much as it would take to do the things that ISIS has done can be saved, a length of rope and a strong tree limb is about the only cure for monsters.

[Peter1469]

Their stupidity, maybe they need to read up on what kinds of "acts" these monsters have been performing at the behest of Terrorists/Criminals. I do not think anyone radicalized as much as it would take to do the things that ISIS has done can be saved, a length of rope and a strong tree limb is about the only cure for monsters.

agreed

[Crepitus]

Yes. They are using so-called forth generation warfare tactics. (I don't agree with the term).

"Fourth generation"? When did that become a thing? I haven't heard that since the 90s.

[Peter1469]

"Fourth generation"? When did that become a thing? I haven't heard that since the 90s.

Last decade or so.

[Crepitus]

Last decade or so.

Weenies with too much brass playing "buzzword bingo"?

It's still just plain old fashioned insurgency, guerilla tactics, asymmetrical warefare, whatever. Don't need new words for the same old shit.

[Peter1469]

Weenies with too much brass playing "buzzword bingo"?

It's still just plain old fashioned insurgency, guerilla tactics, asymmetrical warefare, whatever. Don't need new words for the same old shit.

I agree. People used these tactics in antiquity.

[Crepitus]

I agree. People used these tactics in antiquity.

Sorry, silly thing to get riled up about I know. May have had a bit too much scotch.

[Captain Obvious]

Sorry, silly thing to get riled up about I know. May have had a bit too much scotch.

Blasphemy!

[Peter1469]

Sorry, silly thing to get riled up about I know. May have had a bit too much scotch.

Senior leaders in the Army get riled up over the term too.

This is the basics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generations_of_warfare)of "generations" of warfare:


The concept of four "generations" in the history of modern warfare (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_warfare) was created by a team of United States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) analysts, including William S. Lind (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_S._Lind),[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generations_of_warfare#cite_note-1) for the purpose of an argument for "the changing face of war" entering into a "fourth generation".

First-generation warfare refers to Ancient (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_history) and Post-classical (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-classical_history) battles fought with massed manpower, using line and column tactics with uniformed soldiers governed by the state.
Second-generation warfare is the Early modern (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_modern_period) tactics used after the invention of the rifled musket (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifled_musket) and breech-loading weapons (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breech-loading_weapon) and continuing through the development of the machine gun (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_gun) and indirect fire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indirect_fire). The term second generation warfare was created by the U.S. military (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_the_United_States) in 1989.
Third-generation warfare focuses on using Late modern (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_history#Late_modern_period_2) technology-derived tactics of leveraging speed, stealth and surprise to bypass the enemy's lines and collapse their forces from the rear. Essentially, this was the end of linear warfare on a tactical level, with units seeking not simply to meet each other face to face but to outmaneuver each other to gain the greatest advantage.
Fourth-generation warfare (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth-generation_warfare) as presented by Lind et al. is characterized by "Post-modern" a return to decentralized (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decentralized) forms of warfare, blurring of the lines between war and politics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics), combatants (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combatants) and civilians (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilians) due to nation states (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_state)' loss of their near-monopoly on combat forces, returning to modes of conflict common in pre-modern times.


I suppose it is useful as a generalization of the way armies tended to fight throughout history. But the 4th generation type always existed on the side.

[Crepitus]

Senior leaders in the Army get riled up over the term too.

This is the basics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generations_of_warfare)of "generations" of warfare:



I suppose it is useful as a generalization of the way armies tended to fight throughout history. But the 4th generation type always existed on the side.

Yes, after it was brought up here i mentioned it to the friends I was hanging out with and a lengthy rant ensued. It involved terms like "morons" and the phrase "talking out of their brass-holes" which I'm definitely gonna steal.

[Peter1469]

The egg-heads in the senior service schools come up with this stuff.
Yes, after it was brought up here i mentioned it to the friends I was hanging out with and a lengthy rant ensued. It involved terms like "morons" and the phrase "talking out of their brass-holes" which I'm definitely gonna steal.