View Full Version : Warning: Alabama ~ 'White' town allowed to 'secede' from School District
exotix
04-28-2017, 06:35 PM
Today
Judge Lets White Alabama Town Secede From School District Despite ‘Race’ Being a Factor
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/judge-lets-white-alabama-town-secede-school-district-despite-race-n752581
An Alabama federal judge has given a mostly white town the green light to secede from the racially mixed county school district and start its own system — even though "race was the motivating factor" for many supporters of the split.
But in her ruling, Judge Madeline Haikala also reserved the right to reverse her decision if the city of Gardendale reverts back to its segregated past.
Among other things, Haikala has ordered that an African-American be appointed to the all-white school board within 60 days.
"History teaches that communities, left to their own devices, re-segregate fairly quickly," Haikala wrote in her 190-page ruling.
A suburb of Birmingham with a population of 14,000, Gardendale is 88 percent white. It is located in Jefferson County, which had a population of 658,000 that is roughly 53 percent white and 42 percent black.
Haikala's ruling, which came down on Monday, apparently caught the Gardendale School Board by surprise.
In a statement (http://www.gardendalecityschools.com/), board president Chris Segroves said they were reviewing the order and leaning on their lawyers for "advice as to the best methods for us to move forward in the creation of the Gardendale City School System."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g09SlhVQkA
Captain Obvious
04-28-2017, 06:37 PM
Well yeah, forcing races to live together even though both races bitterly resented it was such a good idea.
Dr. Who
04-28-2017, 06:53 PM
Interesting. So if there is a stampede of black students who want to attend schools in the new school district, what are they going to do? They cannot legally exclude black students because of federal public accommodation laws.
Crepitus
04-28-2017, 06:56 PM
impossible. There are no racists in the red southern states. Especially not white ones!
Safety
04-28-2017, 08:03 PM
Interesting. So if there is a stampede of black students who want to attend schools in the new school district, what are they going to do? They cannot legally exclude black students because of federal public accommodation laws.
Oh, I'm sure there will be some here that will enter the thread and yell about state's rights and how liberals are the ones who are always separating people by race....leave it to Alabama to prove them wrong, because I'm sure these decent white folks are not doing this because of negroes...
Safety
04-28-2017, 08:04 PM
impossible. There are no racists in the red southern states. Especially not white ones!
The hard right will say how it's not racist to segregate from minorities, that's the 'murican dream.
Captain Obvious
04-28-2017, 08:06 PM
The hard right will say how it's not racist to segregate from minorities, that's the 'murican dream.
Is the opposite not true?
I don't believe in forced segregation just as much as I don't believe in forced diversity. People, communities should live the way they choose.
exotix
04-28-2017, 08:09 PM
Is the opposite not true?
I don't believe in forced segregation just as much as I don't believe in forced diversity. People, communities should live the way they choose.I notice you skipped this one ...
Oh, I'm sure there will be some here that will enter the thread and yell about state's rights and how liberals are the ones who are always separating people by race....leave it to Alabama to prove them wrong, because I'm sure these decent white folks are not doing this because of $#@!es...
Safety
04-28-2017, 08:12 PM
Is the opposite not true?
I don't believe in forced segregation just as much as I don't believe in forced diversity. People, communities should live the way they choose.
People will always seek the best environment to live.
Dr. Who
04-28-2017, 08:15 PM
Oh, I'm sure there will be some here that will enter the thread and yell about state's rights and how liberals are the ones who are always separating people by race....leave it to Alabama to prove them wrong, because I'm sure these decent white folks are not doing this because of negroes...
I don't expect that anyone would accuse Alabama of being a bastion of liberal progressive ideology. Don't you know that segregation is not racist, it's just freedom of choice and freedom of association? What's racist about that? The KKK are just a white culture association. Separate but equal - lol.
exotix
04-28-2017, 08:21 PM
I don't expect that anyone would accuse Alabama of being a bastion of liberal progressive ideology. Don't you know that segregation is not racist, it's just freedom of choice and freedom of association? What's racist about that? The KKK are just a white culture association. Separate but equal - lol.Which is odd given the South waged a war of secession to hold on to their blacks then has been waging wars of repression and segregation since.
Mister D
04-28-2017, 08:24 PM
"History teaches that communities, left to their own devices, re-segregate fairly quickly,"
Ya think? lol
Mister D
04-28-2017, 08:26 PM
Is the opposite not true?
I don't believe in forced segregation just as much as I don't believe in forced diversity. People, communities should live the way they choose.
It's not like white people all over the north make sure their kids don't go to school with blacks. Only racist hicks in Alabama do that. :laugh:
Safety
04-28-2017, 08:32 PM
It's not like white people all over the north make sure there kids don't go to school with blacks. Only racist hicks in Alabama do that. :laugh:
Most of the north segregates by money, not race. If race is their underlying excuse, then they just have a better way of hiding it.
Mister D
04-28-2017, 08:36 PM
Most of the north segregates by money, not race. If race is their underlying excuse, then they just have a better way of hiding it.
Funny how that so often correlates with race. I wonder what the per capita income of this "secessionist" town is relative to its neighbors?
You could be a Yankee, Safety.:grin:
Safety
04-28-2017, 08:51 PM
Funny how that so often correlates with race. I wonder what the per capita income of this "secessionist" town is relative to its neighbors?
You could be a Yankee, Safety.:grin:
I don't doubt it would be lopsided based on race, it's not like Alabama was a bastion of prosperity for dark folks...
Mister D
04-28-2017, 08:56 PM
I don't doubt it would be lopsided based on race, it's not like Alabama was a bastion of prosperity for dark folks...
NJ isn't either. Or anywhere else. That's sort of the point, Yankee. :wink:
Now I don't know for sure and I could be wrong but this looks like a case of a relatively affluent town trying to pay for its own school system. If so, this is utterly humdrum.
Mister D
04-28-2017, 09:09 PM
Interesting. So if there is a stampede of black students who want to attend schools in the new school district, what are they going to do? They cannot legally exclude black students because of federal public accommodation laws.
It's a different school zone. For example, when I was a kid I couldn't just pick what public school I wanted to go to. You couldn't either.
Dr. Who
04-28-2017, 09:13 PM
Which is odd given the South waged a war of secession to hold on to their blacks then has been waging wars of repression and segregation since.
Someone mucked up the status quo and changed the rules. The horror!
Mister D
04-28-2017, 09:15 PM
Someone mucked up the status quo and changed the rules. The horror!
No, what happened was that progressive retards saw the word "Alabama" and bought a BS story hook, line and sinker. :smiley:
Dr. Who
04-28-2017, 09:16 PM
It's a different school zone. For example, when I was a kid I couldn't just pick what public school I wanted to go to. You couldn't either.
People move or place their children with relatives in order to send them to the schools that they want to attend. I expect that this will become political in very short order.
rcfieldz
04-28-2017, 09:17 PM
One year my high school made it to the State Football Championship. The opposing team had a decidedly higher percentage of players of color. Our Quarterback was the best in stats but the other teams players were to say the least, head and shoulders above our offensive line. Needless to say we did not come home with the State Trophy.
I do remember the coaches trying to get me to play football. I wasn't into going home with bruises or worse on the weekends. It was really a sad day when we lost. The media had pumped up our expectations but to no avail.
Common Sense
04-28-2017, 09:19 PM
One year my high school made it to the State Football Championship. The opposing team had a decidedly higher percentage of players of color. Our Quarterback was the best in stats but the other teams players were to say the least, head and shoulders above our offensive line. Needless to say we did not come home with the State Trophy.
I do remember the coaches trying to get me to play football. I wasn't into going home with bruises or worse on the weekends. It was really a sad day when we lost. The media had pumped up our expectations but to no avail.
Well that explains it.
Dr. Who
04-28-2017, 09:19 PM
No, what happened was that progressive retards saw the word "Alabama" and bought a BS story hook, line and sinker. :smiley:
Did you read what I was responding to? It was tangential to this story.
Mister D
04-28-2017, 09:21 PM
People move or place their children with relatives in order to send them to the schools that they want to attend. I expect that this will become political in very short order.
Dr. Who, you already look foolish. Stop. You got excited about something ridiculously mundane because you saw the word "Alabama" and (somewhat ironically) your goofy prejudices did the rest. This happens all over the country and black people can't do anything about it. :grin:
Mister D
04-28-2017, 09:22 PM
Did you read what I was responding to? It was tangential to this story.
I read all of your comments. With all due respect, they were stupid. You sound like a hick from Alabama. :smiley:
rcfieldz
04-28-2017, 09:24 PM
well that explains it.
lol
patrickt
04-28-2017, 09:25 PM
The hard right will say how it's not racist to segregate from minorities, that's the 'murican dream.
Democrats brought us segregation and maintain it.
Mister D
04-28-2017, 09:27 PM
Why do Canadians hang out here lamenting Alabama when they have this "problem" in their own country?
Captain Obvious
04-28-2017, 09:30 PM
Why do Canadians hang out here lamenting Alabama when they have this "problem" in their own country?
Probably because Canadian message boards are all aflutter with moose breeding trends and methods of dealing with rogue raccoons.
Dr. Who
04-28-2017, 09:32 PM
Dr. Who, you already look foolish. Stop. You got excited about something ridiculously mundane because you saw the word "Alabama" and (somewhat ironically) your goofy prejudices did the rest. This happens all over the country and black people can't do anything about it. :grin:
My prejudices are goofy??? It's irrelevant where this occurred. That it happens to be Alabama is ... unsurprising. I fully admit that I find this behavior disturbing and regressive. A divided society always engenders more social problems which creates more crime, more poverty and costs taxpayers a great deal of money. Deliberately creating such divisions should be against public policy.
Common
04-28-2017, 09:34 PM
Most of the north segregates by money, not race. If race is their underlying excuse, then they just have a better way of hiding it.
You said that like they are racists because they have money. Safety the very rich live in very rich places and they segregate from everyone else of lesser means white and black and they do it by having property taxs that no one else could possibly pay. Like 50k a year in property taxs, they police are the highest paid anywhere and they are more valets than law enforcement officers. Thats not racist thats privledge and privledge I cant afford
The Xl
04-28-2017, 09:36 PM
One year my high school made it to the State Football Championship. The opposing team had a decidedly higher percentage of players of color. Our Quarterback was the best in stats but the other teams players were to say the least, head and shoulders above our offensive line. Needless to say we did not come home with the State Trophy.
I do remember the coaches trying to get me to play football. I wasn't into going home with bruises or worse on the weekends. It was really a sad day when we lost. The media had pumped up our expectations but to no avail.
I think I was born with an unusually high distribution of fast twitch muscle fibers for a white guy. Might be why I get along with teh blacks pretty well, all things considered. I'm sorry about your high school football teams unfortunate distribution of muscle fibers.
Dr. Who
04-28-2017, 09:47 PM
I read all of your comments. With all due respect, they were stupid. You sound like a hick from Alabama. :smiley:
There is no due respect in stating that my comments were stupid, calling me a hick or calling me foolish. Cut the fake pretence of being polite, because you are being rude and violating forum rules. I realize that you are not one of the inclusive people in the world and I have an opposite view, however, that does not give you carte blanche to personally attack me. I wasn't attacking you or calling you names. If you disagree with my opinion, address your points of disagreement or don't respond. Thank you.
Dr. Who
04-28-2017, 09:56 PM
You said that like they are racists because they have money. Safety the very rich live in very rich places and they segregate from everyone else of lesser means white and black and they do it by having property taxs that no one else could possibly pay. Like 50k a year in property taxs, they police are the highest paid anywhere and they are more valets than law enforcement officers. Thats not racist thats privledge and privledge I cant afford
The very wealthy have never been plagued by racism, because their value system is predicated on money. It's only poorer people who seem to need to feel superior to others based on class or race. It's a monkey pecking order and if the majority decide that you are the bottom of the heap, it's very hard to change that social dynamic.
rcfieldz
04-28-2017, 09:56 PM
I think I was born with an unusually high distribution of fast twitch muscle fibers for a white guy. Might be why I get along with teh blacks pretty well, all things considered. I'm sorry about your high school football teams unfortunate distribution of muscle fibers.
My thought was..what are their mothers feeding these guys?
Safety
04-29-2017, 12:41 AM
My thought was..what are their mothers feeding these guys?
Wheaties. Take note, you're welcome.
Croft
04-29-2017, 01:23 AM
White liberals avoid black majority areas like the plague. And you can bet their kids are in lily white schools. Whenever blacks start moving in libs start muttering about house values and better schools and move. No mention of race of course.
Working class whites of course must lap up the gang shit and messed up class rooms because they're all racist and deserve it anyway, not like the nice liberals.
White liberals just need euthanizing.
Common Sense
04-29-2017, 01:48 AM
White liberals avoid black majority areas like the plague. And you can bet their kids are in lily white schools. Whenever blacks start moving in libs start muttering about house values and better schools and move. No mention of race of course.
Working class whites of course must lap up the gang shit and messed up class rooms because they're all racist and deserve it anyway, not like the nice liberals.
White liberals just need euthanizing.
Euthanasia? Seriously? Don't you mean murder?
Cletus
04-29-2017, 02:53 AM
I don't expect that anyone would accuse Alabama of being a bastion of liberal progressive ideology.
Why would any place want to be? After all, they have done so well in Chicago and Detroit and San Francisco... Wherever Liberals takeover, civilization decays.
Safety
04-29-2017, 05:47 AM
Democrats brought us segregation and maintain it.
Wow. Awesome tale, sir. :rollseyes:
FindersKeepers
04-29-2017, 05:54 AM
My prejudices are goofy??? It's irrelevant where this occurred. That it happens to be Alabama is ... unsurprising. I fully admit that I find this behavior disturbing and regressive. A divided society always engenders more social problems which creates more crime, more poverty and costs taxpayers a great deal of money. Deliberately creating such divisions should be against public policy.
My gram always told me that the best way to ruin a good story was to hear the other side, and in this instance, it appears that the other side has some valid concerns.
It appears that Glendale, while being mostly white, is also wealthier than surrounding cities in Jefferson Co. There are 36K students in the county district and Glendale petitioned a few years ago to raise taxes in the surrounding cities so they paid a more-equal chunk of the school costs. But, the other cities didn't want any part of that.
What the OP article doesn't share is that when Glendale secedes (and, from what I understand, the judge ruled that ONLY the elementary schools could secede) they have to maintain the SAME racial percentages of students. Knowing that -- it doesn't sound quite as much like re-segregation.
The plan also states that students residing in the predominantly bladk North Smithfield Manor and Greenleaf Heights communities will attend the Gardendale Schools on the same basis as students who reside in the city limits, and there is no time limit placed on their attendance of Gardendale Schools, the GBOE court filing states.
At the time of separation, it is anticipated that the Gardendale Schools will enroll 786 black students and 2,200 white students, which the GBOE states complies with the desegregation order that has been in place 45 years. That order requires any school that splits off to maintain the same percentages at the time of separation.
GBOE also acknowledges that it must attain, at a minimum, a workforce that is made up of 18 percent black faculty and staff.
http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2016/09/gardendale_quest_to_form_own_s.html
Truly, the whole I article at the link is worth a read because it demonstrates a different story.
Jefferson Co schools are ranked #50 and Glendale parents want better schools for their children. Same racial makeup as always.
FindersKeepers
04-29-2017, 06:00 AM
White liberals avoid black majority areas like the plague. And you can bet their kids are in lily white schools. Whenever blacks start moving in libs start muttering about house values and better schools and move. No mention of race of course.
Working class whites of course must lap up the gang shit and messed up class rooms because they're all racist and deserve it anyway, not like the nice liberals.
White liberals just need euthanizing.
I think the euthanizing bit is over the top but you're right about (some) white liberals. I used to post on a forum run by a liberal from Boston and his family lived in a lily-white middle class neighborhood. He twice voted for Obama and lauded every progressive thing that came down the pipes, but when an issue in Boston with its inner city schools arose and there was talk of busing the kids out of the ghetto to the outlying schools, he resisted. He came up with the excuse that the inner city blacks liked living around "their own." The hypocrisy was stunning. But, predictable. For those progressive types, it's a do as I say -- not as I do ideology.
stjames1_53
04-29-2017, 06:13 AM
impossible. There are no racists in the red southern states. Especially not white ones!
so for the record, blacks aren't racist...now you know that is a lie. You hate whites. That makes you a racist. Hell, you even think Dolezal is a phony
Safety
04-29-2017, 06:23 AM
so for the record, blacks aren't racist...now you know that is a lie. You hate whites. That makes you a racist. Hell, you even think Dolezal is a phony
To respond with this based upon what he wrote, makes it questionable whether or not you understand English.
DGUtley
04-29-2017, 07:27 AM
I read all of your comments. With all due respect, they were stupid. You sound like a hick from Alabama. :smiley:
@Mister D (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=4) - Warning, please stop the personal insults and discuss the thread.
Peter1469
04-29-2017, 07:32 AM
It's not like white people all over the north make sure their kids don't go to school with blacks. Only racist hicks in Alabama do that. :laugh:
In the north they call them private schools.
Peter1469
04-29-2017, 07:36 AM
One year my high school made it to the State Football Championship. The opposing team had a decidedly higher percentage of players of color. Our Quarterback was the best in stats but the other teams players were to say the least, head and shoulders above our offensive line. Needless to say we did not come home with the State Trophy.
I do remember the coaches trying to get me to play football. I wasn't into going home with bruises or worse on the weekends. It was really a sad day when we lost. The media had pumped up our expectations but to no avail.
My high school was similar. Except the different was Cajuns v. "normal" people.
Background: I grew up in an area in Louisiana with chemical plants and a nuclear plant. Those companies had to import people who could do the higher tech jobs. Their kids were at a disadvantage compared to the indigenous population.
Crepitus
04-29-2017, 08:22 AM
so for the record, blacks aren't racist...now you know that is a lie. You hate whites. That makes you a racist. Hell, you even think Dolezal is a phony
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