Did Obama Spy on Rand Paul? Others, too?

[FindersKeepers]

This is the story that just won't go away.

Did someone in the Obama Administration really use NSA intercepts to spy on politicians last year? There's an interesting short little video on this site. (http://circa.com/politics/rand-paul-obama-may-have-spied-on-me-other-lawmakers-using-nsa-intercepts)



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[donttread]

This is the story that just won't go away.

Did someone in the Obama Administration really use NSA intercepts to spy on politicians last year? There's an interesting short little video on this site. (http://circa.com/politics/rand-paul-obama-may-have-spied-on-me-other-lawmakers-using-nsa-intercepts)



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Of course he spied on Rand. They spy on everyfuckingbody all the time. That's the people's beautiful Donephant for you. If it weren't for people like Bradley Manning and hero Ed Snowden we wouldn't know what we know. But you can best believe we still don't know all of it.

[Crepitus]

The letter reads like a nervous person with a guilty conscience wrote it.

[FindersKeepers]

The letter reads like a nervous person with a guilty conscience wrote it.

Phooey.

It reads like someone concerned about the Obama Administration overstepping its boundaries wrote it.

[del]

it reads like someone desperate for publicity wrote it.

fascinating

[FindersKeepers]

it reads like someone desperate for publicity wrote it.

fascinating

Interesting point of view.

Incorrect, but, interesting.

[DGUtley]

The letter reads like a nervous person with a guilty conscience wrote it.

You must not know much about Rand Paul. There are some of us to whom the constitutional law is very important, almost sacrosanct. He is one.

[Crepitus]

You must not know much about Rand Paul. There are some of us to whom the constitutional law is very important, almost sacrosanct. He is one.

Good for him, and you. However what I get out of that letter is "let me know when I need a lawyer".

[DGUtley]

Good for him, and you. However what I get out of that letter is "let me know when I need a lawyer".

I've read hundreds of 'let me know when I need a lawyer' letters and attended more of those types of meetings. I didn't get that out of that letter, but ok.

[Captain Obvious]

Maybe he was spying on the Russians

[Common]

Good for him, and you. However what I get out of that letter is "let me know when I need a lawyer".

Cmon crepitus there is nothing in that letter that remotely reflects that, Read it again

[Kalkin]

The letter reads like a nervous person with a guilty conscience wrote it.
Your post reads like a person desperate to defend obama wrote it.

[Adelaide]

I don't think anyone can escape surveillance. If anything, politicians should probably be at the top of the list since they have security clearances and knowledge of classified information. If they are somehow communicating with someone inappropriately or having some other relationship that would put national security at risk, it makes sense to watch/listen for it. They probably are one of the most at-risk groups in terms of damage they could do if they inappropriately handle information, or pass it on to a third party.

Basically, I do not support the government or the NSA in their efforts, but if exceptions are going to be made it certainly should not be for politicians.

[Kalkin]

Politicians are citizens first, with all the same constitutional protections as every other legal citizen, imo.

[Adelaide]

Politicians are citizens first, with all the same constitutional protections as every other legal citizen, imo.
They are put in a position of power and trust. They are not regular citizens - their jobs require that they have access to information that a regular citizen does not. They sit on committees where they are given information that regular citizens are not.

[Kalkin]

They are put in a position of power and trust. They are not regular citizens - their jobs require that they have access to information that a regular citizen does not. They sit on committees where they are given information that regular citizens are not.
True, but they still have the same privacy protection under law as any other citizen, I believe.

[DGUtley]

True, but they still have the same privacy protection under law as any other citizen, I believe.

I think that by virtue of assuming certain powers that they agree to certain waivers.

[Cletus]

Good for him, and you. However what I get out of that letter is "let me know when I need a lawyer".

That's called "projection".

[Kalkin]

I think that by virtue of assuming certain powers that they agree to certain waivers.
Perhaps, but I doubt those waivers extend to unmasking their identities when they are not the subject of the investigation. If it did, why would this even be a story?

[texan]

Of course he spied on Rand. They spy on everyfuckingbody all the time. That's the people's beautiful Donephant for you. If it weren't for people like Bradley Manning and hero Ed Snowden we wouldn't know what we know. But you can best believe we still don't know all of it.

Well unfortunately it appears they targeted people just like Rosen from FOX because they didn't like FOX. Typical Chicago behavior. Now you see even more popping up and unusual changes on information sharing on the way out the door.

They were doing something. You just rationalizing it or blowing it off isn't helpful. If you want to review Trump because you see smoke go ahead just be consistent.

[decedent]

Did Obama Spy on Rand Paul? Others, too?

"Too"? Who else did Obama allegedly spy on?

[FindersKeepers]

"Too"? Who else did Obama allegedly spy on?

Read Rand's letter in the OP. He suggests himself and "others in the legislative branch" might have been subject to the NSA surveillance.

[Captain Obvious]

"Too"? Who else did Obama allegedly spy on?

Merkel for one

[Crepitus]

Your post reads like a person desperate to defend obama wrote it.

Only to a partisan hack.

[Crepitus]

That's called "projection".

But everyone denies it when I say that.

[The Xl]

I'm sure the Obama administration was spying on everyone. Unfortunately he won't be the first or last President to do so.

[Cletus]

But everyone denies it when I say that.

That is because you are always wrong.

[Kalkin]

Only to a partisan hack.
So it sounds like that to you.

[Ethereal]

The NSA collects ALL electronic communications, subjects them to computerized, algorithmic processing, and then stores the information indefinitely in a massive database. Naturally, that would include any electronic communications made by Trump and Paul. There is simply no debate among informed people that this is happening.

[Ethereal]

The letter reads like a nervous person with a guilty conscience wrote it.
How so?

[Ethereal]

"Too"? Who else did Obama allegedly spy on?
The entire country.

[Crepitus]

that is because you are always wrong.

lmao!!

[Crepitus]

So it sounds like that to you.

It was your post, not mine.

[Kalkin]

It was your post, not mine.


My point stands.

[Tahuyaman]

Good for him, and you. However what I get out of that letter is "let me know when I need a lawyer".

You generally translate comments in ways others find perplexing.

[Hal Jordan]

Yes, the NSA was spying on Rand Paul while Obama was President. They spied on everyone, including Obama. It's what they do.

[Crepitus]

My point stands.

Let me know when you have one.

[Kalkin]

Let me know when you have one.

As if you have the capacity to recognize one even when pointed out.

[Crepitus]

As if you have the capacity to recognize one even when pointed out.

So still no huh?

[Adelaide]

True, but they still have the same privacy protection under law as any other citizen, I believe.
Is there work afforded that privacy? If some of these politicians were unmasked, it would have been their work that was the focus, not their regular lives.

[donttread]

You must not know much about Rand Paul. There are some of us to whom the constitutional law is very important, almost sacrosanct. He is one.


Yup, he believes in the Constitution. Not like most people who view the BOR's as a pick and choose menu. He actually believes in and supports the whole thing , unlike almost anyone else in Washington.