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Chris
05-11-2017, 02:43 PM
California, Illinois, and New York Keep Losing People to Other States


... according to the 2015 American Community Survey numbers released late last year the most recent number available 7.5 million Americans lived in another state just one year earlier and thus decided that the time had come to move from their home states.

But, of course, those who moved were not evenly distributed, and there are some big differences by region.

When we look at the net number of residents moving in from other states, we find that the destination for most of these 7.5 million migrants was states in the South and in the West excluding California:

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...One objection we might raise here is the fact that the two states fueling the most out-migration have very large populations. How big is the population loss, really, if we look at it in terms of percentages?

It turns out that in many places the loss, relatively speaking, is still quite large:

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Even when taking into account population loss proportional to the overall population, Illinois (-1 percent), New York (-0.9 percent), and New Jersey (-0.9 percent) still top the list, with Alaska (-0.8) and Connecticut (-0.7) not far behind. By this measure, California which was second-worst in the nation in terms of raw numbers is only the fourteenth biggest loser in terms of the percentage of its population that moved away.

The states with the biggest proportional gains were Delaware (+1.4 percent), North Dakota (+1.4 percent), Nevada (+1.2 percent), Idaho (+0.1 percent), and Arizona (+0.1 percent). ...



Now think about this. Given our central federal nation, it's unlikely these federalist differences make much differnce. Under a strong federalist system, with little central federal power, these difference would have much effect. Each state would be free to experiment economically, and those voting with their feet to states doing better would drive state doing worse to change and follow suit.

Peter1469
05-11-2017, 02:47 PM
We have had problems with people from Maryland fleeing into NOVA. But when they get here they try to raise taxes and increase government nannyism.

I wish they would stay in Maryland.

Captain Obvious
05-11-2017, 02:52 PM
Doesn't surprise me.

I left, who wants to live in that idiocy?

Let them choke and die on their own devices, I really could care less.

Ethereal
05-11-2017, 03:41 PM
I'll be leaving Illinois, too. Going to the south... :cool2:

Private Pickle
05-11-2017, 03:45 PM
I'll be leaving Illinois, too. Going to the south... :cool2:

Southwest is where it's at.

texan
05-11-2017, 03:53 PM
California, Illinois, and New York Keep Losing People to Other States (http://California, Illinois, and New York Keep Losing People to Other States)





Now think about this. Given our central federal nation, it's unlikely these federalist differences make much differnce. Under a strong federalist system, with little central federal power, these difference would have much effect. Each state would be free to experiment economically, and those voting with their feet to states doing better would drive state doing worse to change and follow suit.

Without LA and NYC the weaka$$ comment about popular vote would be flushed down the toilet. I guess 2 cities should dictate elections.

Ethereal
05-11-2017, 04:53 PM
Southwest is where it's at.

Nothing against the southwest, but the south has everything I want. History, culture, mountains, rivers, lush forests, best BBQ in America... :grin:

Chris
05-11-2017, 05:22 PM
Nothing against the southwest, but the south has everything I want. History, culture, mountains, rivers, lush forests, best BBQ in America... :grin:

Texas has all that. Texas has everything!

Green Arrow
05-11-2017, 06:05 PM
That's a good thing for those states, they are overgorged in population.

Green Arrow
05-11-2017, 06:06 PM
Texas has all that. Texas has everything!

All that except best BBQ in the nation.

Memphis style is in Tennessee.

Chris
05-11-2017, 06:13 PM
All that except best BBQ in the nation.

Memphis style is in Tennessee.


Black's, Smitty's and Kreuz all three the best in Lockhart, TX.

Common
05-11-2017, 06:37 PM
Who in their right mind would want to live in any of those states and have to pay for illegals and ridiculous taxs for which is not for services but to support those that wont work and are here illegally.

Green Arrow
05-11-2017, 06:43 PM
Black's, Smitty's and Kreuz all three the best in Lockhart, TX.

That's great for Lockhart. The best BBQ in the nation is still Tennessee ;)

del
05-11-2017, 06:54 PM
Who in their right mind would want to live in any of those states and have to pay for illegals and ridiculous taxs for which is not for services but to support those that wont work and are here illegally.
yeah, there's no illegals in arizona

derp

Mechanic
05-11-2017, 06:56 PM
I am glad that I live in California. Best place on earth with clean air and water. I am happy the losers are leaving for the loser states. Conservatism is a very poor excuse for life process.

Mister D
05-11-2017, 07:01 PM
yeah, there's no illegals in arizona

derp

CA is much friendlier to illegals than Arizona. That's sort of his point.


derp.

Newpublius
05-11-2017, 07:04 PM
I'll be leaving Illinois, too. Going to the south... :cool2:

TN will welcome you!

Newpublius
05-11-2017, 07:05 PM
That's great for Lockhart. The best BBQ in the nation is still Tennessee ;)

TN is alright by me. (currently my second home)

Green Arrow
05-11-2017, 07:28 PM
Who in their right mind would want to live in any of those states and have to pay for illegals and ridiculous taxs for which is not for services but to support those that wont work and are here illegally.
Mostly because most people that live there don't give a shit until they are told to.

Green Arrow
05-11-2017, 07:30 PM
TN is alright by me. (currently my second home)

As of March, my home is now Louisiana, but I still represent Tennessee to the swamp people.

Ethereal
05-11-2017, 08:49 PM
Texas has all that. Texas has everything!
Texas is great, but Virginia is older... :grin:

Ethereal
05-11-2017, 08:51 PM
TN will welcome you!
I've always liked Tennessee. I'll be right down the road in the Blue Ridge Mountains... :cool2:

Common Sense
05-11-2017, 09:02 PM
I'd move to the southwest. I just might when I retire.

I think people are moving for a variety of reasons. Some economic. People can now work in a variety of fields from home and don't need to be in a major city. Some move for the climate and some are retiring. I think many are moving out of California and New York because of the high cost of living.

Chris
05-11-2017, 09:02 PM
Texas is great, but Virginia is older... :grin:

Spanish were in Texas about the same time they were in Virginia.

But you can't beat the Blue Ridge Mountains.

Newpublius
05-11-2017, 09:48 PM
I'd move to the southwest. I just might when I retire.

Just make sure before you make that leap that you visit in July.

I did a couple of exploratory visits to Houston and Tampa and I did them in July and August, respectively, and I personally, can take the steam, I like it even because I like driving the convertible at night.

Did you take any pictures worth sharing?

Newpublius
05-11-2017, 09:51 PM
I've always liked Tennessee. I'll be right down the road in the Blue Ridge Mountains... :cool2:
No income tax in TN and I deftly avoid TN sales tax by shopping in KY

Common Sense
05-11-2017, 10:00 PM
Just make sure before you make that leap that you visit in July.

I did a couple of exploratory visits to Houston and Tampa and I did them in July and August, respectively, and I personally, can take the steam, I like it even because I like driving the convertible at night.

Did you take any pictures worth sharing?

I'm sure it gets really hot there, but summers here in Toronto can be brutal and humid. I like the dry heat of the southwest.

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Newpublius
05-11-2017, 10:13 PM
Look familiar:

https://api-a.keenai.com/3/files/2011654051/thumbnails/e9f6a30790853a8cc418453e9fa911fc888886e7/s2048/image.jpg?v=4


Top picture you had the low ceiling working for you so you got some sky porn. Grand Canyon was an unique place for me to try to take a picture because I know that everybody and their mother takes pictures there so I was depserately trying to take SOMETHING, ANYTHING unique. And for the most part, I really didn't. I was only there for one day on a pre-surgery back, so finding that horse wasn't an option either.

I took nothing but the typical 'nice' vista shot you would expect from an amateur. NOTHING I took stood out.