We Are Watching A Slow-Motion Coup D’etat

[Chris]

It's not, according to this article, a military coup, but a leaderless, faceless, bureaucratic one.

We Are Watching A Slow-Motion Coup D’etat (http://thefederalist.com/2017/05/19/watching-slow-motion-coup-detat/)


It’s nearly incontrovertible that a slow-motion coup d’etat is now taking place. Since November 9, 2016, forces within the U.S. government, media, and partisan opposition have aligned to overthrow the Electoral College winner, Donald Trump.

To achieve this they have undermined the institutions of the Fourth Estate, the bureaucratic apparatus of the U.S. government, and the very nature of a contentious yet affable two-party political system. Unlike the coup d’etat that sees a military or popular figure lead a minority resistance or majority force into power over the legitimate government, this coup d’etat is leaderless and exposes some of the deepest fissures in our system of government. This coup d’etat represents not the rule of one man or even many, but by the multitude of our elites.

This article outlines the mechanisms, institutions, and nature of this coup d’etat; not in defense of President Donald Trump — who has proven himself bereft of the temperament of a successful president — but in defense of the institutions of our republic that are now not just threatened, but may very well be on the verge of collapse.

...The villain of “1984” isn’t a “man” but an entity — a bureaucracy with an authoritarian impulse. Big Brother isn’t so much a man or a leader but a symbol of the omnipotent reach of the bureaucratic state that dominated the dystopian future. The fear of an elected leader turning into a tyrant — as the political Left and some on the political Right feared in Trump — doesn’t play into the narrative of the novel. Rather, it is the fear of a nearly faceless administrative state; a state that has achieved a near totality in terms of tyranny.

[Crepitus]

No. We are not. What we are watching is the end result of a campaign based on lying, cheating, and borderline treason. The tapestry of falsehoods that was woven by the Russian propaganda machine with or without Trump's knowledge is unraveling and taking his administration with it.

[The Xl]

It's absolutely a coup. The deep state and their stringpullers must be incredibly desperate.

[Crepitus]

The "deep state" is nothing more than tale used to frighten conservative children. It has no reality.

"Go to bed or the deep state will get you!"

[Peter1469]

It is a slow rolling coup. Dr. David Victor Hanson explains:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=troOweIGTGQ

[Peter1469]

The "deep state" is nothing more than tale used to frighten conservative children. It has no reality.

"Go to bed or the deep state will get you!"
False. But neat (old) trick to mock what you are against.

[Crepitus]

False. But neat (old) trick to mock what you are against.

And that ^ is a convenient way to keep pushing your false narrative in the face of much convincing opposition.

[Peter1469]

And that ^ is a convenient way to keep pushing your false narrative in the face of much convincing opposition.

It is not something I made up. Some very serious people are advancing it.

Another attempt to cloud the issue.....

[Crepitus]

It is not something I made up. Some very serious people are advancing it.

Another attempt to cloud the issue.....

If they are pushing this "deep state" nonsense they are not "very serious people".

[Chris]

No. We are not. What we are watching is the end result of a campaign based on lying, cheating, and borderline treason. The tapestry of falsehoods that was woven by the Russian propaganda machine with or without Trump's knowledge is unraveling and taking his administration with it.

You say it's not happening and then give reason for it happening.

[Chris]

If they are pushing this "deep state" nonsense they are not "very serious people".


The deep state is just the entrenched bureaucracy joined by the media and partisan opposition.

[Doublejack]

We Are Watching A Slow-Motion Coup D’etat


Is there anyway we can speed it up?

[Chris]

The "deep state" is nothing more than tale used to frighten conservative children. It has no reality.

"Go to bed or the deep state will get you!"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkKdfh8Int4

[Ravens Fan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkKdfh8Int4

What a spot on comparison. There is no deep state, there is no mafia. Lol.


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[Crepitus]

You say it's not happening and then give reason for it happening.

Wrong. You say it's a coup, I say it's the natural result of Trump and Putin's actions.

[jimmyz]

Is there anyway members of Congress can defeat this for the sake of the citizen voter and Constitution?

[Chris]

Wrong. You say it's a coup, I say it's the natural result of Trump and Putin's actions.

Again, you deny and then give a reason for it. The OP blames Trump. Miss that?

[Chris]

Is there anyway members of Congress can defeat this for the sake of the citizen voter and Constitution?

Congress is at least partially to blame having passed the buck off to the administration and bureaucracy for so long now.

[Crepitus]

The deep state is just the entrenched bureaucracy joined by the media and partisan opposition.

It's a conservative boogeyman.

[del]

which member of the deep state forced trump to fire comey and then give 3 different reasons for it?

which member of the deep state hijacks his twitter account?



coup coup

[Crepitus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkKdfh8Int4

Never saw the show.

[Crepitus]

Again, you deny and then give a reason for it. The OP blames Trump. Miss that?

The very word "coup" implies that it is enemy action. It is not. This administration is coming apart all on its own.

[Chris]

The very word "coup" implies that it is enemy action. It is not. This administration is coming apart all on its own.

No it doesn't mean enemy action.


A coup d'état (/ˌkuː deɪˈtɑː/ About this sound listen (help·info); French: [ku.de.ta]), also known simply as a coup (/kuː/), a putsch (/pʊtʃ/), golpe de estado, or an overthrow, is the illegal and overt seizure of a state by the military or other elites within the state apparatus.

...The phrase coup d'état (French pronunciation: ​[ku deta]) is French, literally meaning a "stroke of state" or "blow against the state." In French the word "État" (French: [e.ta]), denoting a sovereign political entity, is capitalized.

@ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coup_d%27%C3%A9tat


Whoever sold you your dictionary ripped you off.

[Crepitus]

No it doesn't mean enemy action.



@ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coup_d'état


Whoever sold you your dictionary ripped you off.

Gee Chris, it doesn't support what you are saying either so we musta both got ripped off.

[The Xl]

The "deep state" is nothing more than tale used to frighten conservative children. It has no reality.

"Go to bed or the deep state will get you!"

But you'll fearmonger about Trump and the Russians with a straight face. Truly incredible.

[The Xl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkKdfh8Int4

God, this is perfect lol.

[MisterVeritis]

No. We are not. What we are watching is the end result of a campaign based on lying, cheating, and borderline treason. The tapestry of falsehoods that was woven by the Russian propaganda machine with or without Trump's knowledge is unraveling and taking his administration with it.
You appear to be an expert. What statute governs the crimes you allege?

[MisterVeritis]

The "deep state" is nothing more than tale used to frighten conservative children. It has no reality.

"Go to bed or the deep state will get you!"
If you are Italian you are thinking Hannibal. If you come from the Eurasian continents you could be thinking of Ghengis Khan.

Regrettably, the Democratic Party has been the party of the bureaucracy. The Deep State is the unelected democrats who still hold enough power to take down the nation.

[MisterVeritis]

False. But neat (old) trick to mock what you are against.
It is Crep you are talking about. I think he lacks the intellectual horsepower to understand. When his masters tell him to change his story watch how rapidly he falls in line.

[Chris]

Siding With The “Deep State” Against Trump is “Extremely Dangerous” (https://attackthesystem.com/2017/05/20/glen-greenwald-siding-with-the-deep-state-against-trump-is-extremely-dangerous/)


As bad as the Trump Administration is, things could get much worse should agencies such as the CIA and the NSA seize power of the U.S. government. Yet, many Trump resisters, seeing the escalating war between the Administration and “Deep State” agencies, are siding with the latter – and prominent journalist Glenn Greenwald warns that “it is extremely dangerous to do that.”

Greenwald’s warning comes in the wake of a similar alarm sounded by former Ohio Congressman Dennis Kucinich, who recently published an an article in Newsweek. In that piece, he outlined how intelligence agencies and the military-industrial complex have been actively working to undermine the Executive Branch of government.

Now, as these intelligence agencies go on to attack the deeply-unpopular and dangerous Trump Administration, many in the resistance are calling on them to overthrow Trump – if for no other reason than to stop him from enacting his extremist policies. This would be tantamount to destroying democracy in order to save it.

[Agent Zero]

I'm sceptical of any conspiracy theory, and this one - if true - is the queen mother of all conspiracy theories.

Sorry.

Republicans in Congress have been ineffective the past ten years. After thirty attempts at getting rid of Obamacare, they never came up with a *viable* plan. After three years, seven million dollars, at least eight official hearings and countless other inquiries and unofficial hearings on Benghazi all they could conclude was that Hillary Clinton did nothing wrong.

With several *viable* candidates in the party, they bent over and allowed the fringe right of the party rape it's integrity and nominated Donald Trump as president.

And you believe they were able to concoct this master plan to rid our nation of Trump before it implodes?

The only person responsible for this is Trump himself. Heck, he passed his mediocre business experience off as something more when in fact he was a horrible businessman with multiple bankruptcies and lawsuits. Face it, it takes a lot more than being just a businessman to be president, common sense being the chief quality.

[Dr. Who]

If anything it may be more of a coup de gras than a coup d'état.

[Agent Zero]

No it doesn't mean enemy action.



@ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coup_d'état


Whoever sold you your dictionary ripped you off.

Perhaps you shouldn't rely on Wikipedia for your dictionary?

From Merriam Webster:

plural coups d'état or coups d'etatplay\ˌkü-(ˌ)dā-ˈtä, ˈkü-(ˌ)dā-ˌtä, -də-\

: a sudden decisive exercise of force in politics; especially : the violent overthrow or alteration of an existing government by a small group a military coup d'état of the dictator

[MisterVeritis]

If anything it may be more of a coup de gras than a coup d'état.
And, if I understand you correctly, you support it.

It is a coup. I wished I had said something like that.

[Agent Zero]

If anything it may be more of a coup de gras than a coup d'état.

Touché (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiklfWG9IHUAhUFQCYKHVw6AOcQFgg1MAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.merriam-webster.com%2Fdictionary%2Ftouch%25C3%25A9&usg=AFQjCNEVpIeHAbEswEOEvq8JSsb0xHT1FQ&sig2=Ssbb3dk1YtDbcRy-kLM6gw)

[MisterVeritis]

Touché (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiklfWG9IHUAhUFQCYKHVw6AOcQFgg1MAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.merriam-webster.com%2Fdictionary%2Ftouch%C3%A9&usg=AFQjCNEVpIeHAbEswEOEvq8JSsb0xHT1FQ&sig2=Ssbb3dk1YtDbcRy-kLM6gw)


Another coup supporter? Of course.

[Chris]

Perhaps you shouldn't rely on Wikipedia for your dictionary?

From Merriam Webster:

plural coups d'état or coups d'etatplay\ˌkü-(ˌ)dā-ˈtä, ˈkü-(ˌ)dā-ˌtä, -də-\

: a sudden decisive exercise of force in politics; especially : the violent overthrow or alteration of an existing government by a small group a military coup d'état of the dictator



No doubt we can find dictionaries that please.

[Peter1469]

Is there anyway members of Congress can defeat this for the sake of the citizen voter and Constitution?

Members of Congress appear to fall into one of two camps: agitators or cowards.

[decedent]

The "deep state" is nothing more than tale used to frighten conservative children. It has no reality.

"Go to bed or the deep state will get you!"

The Trump Admin got along so great until the coup plotters came along.

https://s5.postimg.org/rkph7wa4n/ezgif-2-8f63cc81c8.gif

[Agent Zero]

No doubt we can find dictionaries that please.


Yet the one I used isn't "User Defined".

[Agent Zero]

The Trump Admin got along so great until the coup plotters came along.

https://s5.postimg.org/rkph7wa4n/ezgif-2-8f63cc81c8.gif

That man is creepy as hell.

[Chris]

I'm sceptical of any conspiracy theory, and this one - if true - is the queen mother of all conspiracy theories.

Sorry.

Republicans in Congress have been ineffective the past ten years. After thirty attempts at getting rid of Obamacare, they never came up with a *viable* plan. After three years, seven million dollars, at least eight official hearings and countless other inquiries and unofficial hearings on Benghazi all they could conclude was that Hillary Clinton did nothing wrong.

With several *viable* candidates in the party, they bent over and allowed the fringe right of the party rape it's integrity and nominated Donald Trump as president.

And you believe they were able to concoct this master plan to rid our nation of Trump before it implodes?

The only person responsible for this is Trump himself. Heck, he passed his mediocre business experience off as something more when in fact he was a horrible businessman with multiple bankruptcies and lawsuits. Face it, it takes a lot more than being just a businessman to be president, common sense being the chief quality.

The coup is seen in bureaucratic resistance and rejection of executive orders if nothing else.

[Chris]

Yet the one I used isn't "User Defined".

Dictionaries are supposed to be user-defined, they're descriptive of common usage. The OP says this coup is different. Arguing semantics in denial is nothing.

[Crepitus]

I'm sceptical of any conspiracy theory, and this one - if true - is the queen mother of all conspiracy theories.

Sorry.

Republicans in Congress have been ineffective the past ten years. After thirty attempts at getting rid of Obamacare, they never came up with a *viable* plan. After three years, seven million dollars, at least eight official hearings and countless other inquiries and unofficial hearings on Benghazi all they could conclude was that Hillary Clinton did nothing wrong.

With several *viable* candidates in the party, they bent over and allowed the fringe right of the party rape it's integrity and nominated Donald Trump as president.

And you believe they were able to concoct this master plan to rid our nation of Trump before it implodes?

The only person responsible for this is Trump himself. Heck, he passed his mediocre business experience off as something more when in fact he was a horrible businessman with multiple bankruptcies and lawsuits. Face it, it takes a lot more than being just a businessman to be president, common sense being the chief quality.

Nice!

[Chris]

Nice!

At least Zero offered an argument.

[Ravens Fan]

I'm sceptical of any conspiracy theory, and this one - if true - is the queen mother of all conspiracy theories.

Sorry.

I am usually skeptical of conspiracy theories as well, and I am not saying that it is true. But anybody looking at the totality of the situation with an objective viewpoint can see that there is something going on.


Republicans in Congress have been ineffective the past ten years. After thirty attempts at getting rid of Obamacare, they never came up with a *viable* plan. After three years, seven million dollars, at least eight official hearings and countless other inquiries and unofficial hearings on Benghazi all they could conclude was that Hillary Clinton did nothing wrong.

I can agree on the first part, they had 7 years and still couldn't get a viable plan together. The second part is quite misleading. Hillary withheld evidence, and was found to have had a secret unsecured server in her home that she was using for official and confidential communications. That she has not been charged with crimes yet does not change those facts.


With several *viable* candidates in the party, they bent over and allowed the fringe right of the party rape it's integrity and nominated Donald Trump as president.

Bent over?? The establishment pushed as hard as they could against Trump, threw everything they could at him, the only thing they didn't do was ignore their base and install whomever they wanted (unlike the Dems). He won the nomination by following the rules.


And you believe they were able to concoct this master plan to rid our nation of Trump before it implodes?

Who has claimed it was just the Republicans who were perpetrating the supposed coup? This is the establishment, the elites, the ones who have really controlled this country for decades fighting as hard as they can to keep control. It is middle America and those of us who do not fall for the propaganda, but think for ourselves who are saying get the hell out. I don't really like Trump, but if he is what it takes to out the deep state and bring power back to the people, then so be it.


The only person responsible for this is Trump himself. Heck, he passed his mediocre business experience off as something more when in fact he was a horrible businessman with multiple bankruptcies and lawsuits. Face it, it takes a lot more than being just a businessman to be president, common sense being the chief quality.

Trump is responsible for insulting the intelligence community and refusing to do as the establishment insists he do. He was a very successful businessman, and that experience has been doing him well so far.

[jimmyz]

Siding With The “Deep State” Against Trump is “Extremely Dangerous” (https://attackthesystem.com/2017/05/20/glen-greenwald-siding-with-the-deep-state-against-trump-is-extremely-dangerous/)

This cannot be more strongly accentuated.

[jimmyz]

I am buoyed that stronger resolve resides in the House. Not so much in the Senate. The Military? Can be swayed. Unfortunately.

[Cletus]

The very word "coup" implies that it is enemy action. It is not. This administration is coming apart all on its own.

It certainly is enemy action. It is an attempt to bring down the duly elected President of the United States because some people didn't get their way and would rather see the nation destroyed than admit their choice for President was rejected.

Count yourself among those enemies. Fortunately, you are impotent and can't really do any harm, but you support those who can. That makes you responsible.

[Chris]

I am usually skeptical of conspiracy theories as well, and I am not saying that it is true. But anybody looking at the totality of the situation with an objective viewpoint can see that there is something going on.



I can agree on the first part, they had 7 years and still couldn't get a viable plan together. The second part is quite misleading. Hillary withheld evidence, and was found to have had a secret unsecured server in her home that she was using for official and confidential communications. That she has not been charged with crimes yet does not change those facts.



Bent over?? The establishment pushed as hard as they could against Trump, threw everything they could at him, the only thing they didn't do was ignore their base and install whomever they wanted (unlike the Dems). He won the nomination by following the rules.



Who has claimed it was just the Republicans who were perpetrating the supposed coup? This is the establishment, the elites, the ones who have really controlled this country for decades fighting as hard as they can to keep control. It is middle America and those of us who do not fall for the propaganda, but think for ourselves who are saying get the hell out. I don't really like Trump, but if he is what it takes to out the deep state and bring power back to the people, then so be it.



Trump is responsible for insulting the intelligence community and refusing to do as the establishment insists he do. He was a very successful businessman, and that experience has been doing him well so far.



The OP criticizes Trump to begin with, it's his weaknesses that make him vulnerable. Some seem to get the wrong message that discussion of this is a defense of Trump when rather it's about the office itself.

The Repubublican establishment is a part of it.

[Cletus]

The OP criticizes Trump to begin with, it's his weaknesses that make him vulnerable. Some seem to get the wrong message that discussion of this is a defense of Trump when rather it's about the office itself.

The Republican establishment is a part of it.

Spot on.

[Crepitus]

It certainly is enemy action. It is an attempt to bring down the duly elected President of the United States because some people didn't get their way and would rather see the nation destroyed than admit their choice for President was rejected.

Count yourself among those enemies. Fortunately, you are impotent and can't really do any harm, but you support those who can. That makes you responsible.

Trump's administration is falling about of its own accord. No enemy action required.

[del]

Dictionaries are supposed to be user-defined, they're descriptive of common usage. The OP says this coup is different. Arguing semantics in denial is nothing.
and yet, that's what you're doing

tres amusant

[MisterVeritis]

Trump's administration is falling about of its own accord. No enemy action required.
This is why we cannot take you seriously.

[Chris]

and yet, that's what you're doing

tres amusant

Uh, del, I'm arguing the message in the OP. Coup is defined there. Words are coined just as meanings are.

[Chris]

Spot on.

In truth it is the establishment in general, Reps, Dems, entrenched bureaucracy, the media.

[Crepitus]

This is why we cannot take you seriously.
Yes, I do know

It's because I speak the truth that you and your ilk cannot face.

[jimmyz]

I fear an un-civil populace.

[Doublejack]

This too shall pass

[Chris]

This too shall pass

As all things do.

[Peter1469]

The soft coup against Trump is not affecting flyover country (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TRUMP_LOYALISTS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-05-18-12-28-12)

The heartland goes on....


President Donald Trump's loyal backers say they don't know, don't believe or don't care about the explosive revelations that forced the Justice Department to appoint a special counsel to investigate possible collusion between Russia and the Republican campaign.

From the quiet streets of New York's working-class Staten Island to small-town Denison, Iowa, and even smaller Rutledge, Georgia, Trump may be as popular today as when he was elected. Voters are standing with a president who tweeted on Thursday that he is the target of "the single greatest witch hunt of a politician in American history!"

The tumult that began last week with the firing of FBI Director James Comey has consumed Washington, roiling the White House and putting congressional Republicans on the defensive.


Not so in Trump strongholds.


"I tuned it out," said 44-year-old Michele Velardi, a mother of three sons, during a break from her job at a Staten Island hair salon. "I didn't want to be depressed. I don't want to feel that he's not doing what he said, so I just choose to not listen."


A few blocks away, die-hard Trump supporter Joseph Amodeo, 19, incorrectly praised the president for raising New York's minimum wage, something enacted by Democrats in the Legislature. The college student had little understanding of the Trump administration's deepening political struggles, but he offered a stern message to Trump's critics.

[Peter1469]

The art of the Trump take-down (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/20/art-trump-take-down/)
The Washington Times discusses the soft coup.


Taking down President Donald Trump (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/donald-trump/) has become an art of late — a national past-time, like going to a baseball game, or barbecuing on the Fourth of July.And watching this despicable trend of Democratic-fueled accusation, followed by media-expressed outrage, followed by leftist expression of shock, gives rise to one very apt image: that of sharks circling prey.


It’s a 24-hour news cycle with a 24-hour aim to get rid of Trump (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/donald-trump/).



This is not how U.S. politics ought to be run. Yet this is America, campaign 2016 and White House (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/white-house/) 2017. Think hard, question everything. The vicious political atmosphere of late is not happenstance.

[del]

trump backers are, for the most part, dummies.

it doesn't surprise me that they still support him.

it's not like they're going to get smarter

[Peter1469]

A lot of people voted for Trump because they are tired of the corruption within the establishment.

Calling them dumb is a tactic. I don't think it works.

[ripmeister]

Trump hit a nerve and saw what the people wanted. As unqualified and tempermentally unfit as I see him to be POTUS he nailed it when he saw what a large portion of the country wanted, that being the disruptiveness of an outsider. His biggest problem though, and relevant to the OP is all the stuff that is of his own making. You can talk coups and deep state as much as you want but the reality is much of this is due to his own ego and intemperate personality. IMO to a large degree he has made his own bed. The Comey situation is a perfect example.

[MisterVeritis]

Trump hit a nerve and saw what the people wanted. As unqualified and tempermentally unfit as I see him to be POTUS he nailed it when he saw what a large portion of the country wanted, that being the disruptiveness of an outsider. His biggest problem though, and relevant to the OP is all the stuff that is of his own making. You can talk coups and deep state as much as you want but the reality is much of this is due to his own ego and intemperate personality. IMO to a large degree he has made his own bed. The Comey situation is a perfect example.
What Limbaugh said is true. We no longer teach our children how to think critically.

[ripmeister]

What Limbaugh said is true. We no longer teach our children how to think critically.
I think there is some truth in that, although some of us have done just that with our children. I do find it a little bit bizarre that you would reference Limbo when it comes to critical thinking though.

[MisterVeritis]

http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by MisterVeritis http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=2032531#post2032531)
What Limbaugh said is true. We no longer teach our children how to think critically.

I think there is some truth in that, although some of us have done just that with our children. I do find it a little bit bizarre that you would reference Limbo when it comes to critical thinking though.
Apparently, we no longer teach spelling.

[ripmeister]

http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by MisterVeritis http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=2032531#post2032531)
What Limbaugh said is true. We no longer teach our children how to think critically.

Apparently, we no longer teach spelling.
Huh?

[MisterVeritis]

Huh?
You had spelling difficulty with the medium difficulty word "Limbaugh".
Am I being culturally insensitive? Perhaps that was the ebonics spelling.:grin:

[rcfieldz]

James Downton is the pen name of a Federalist contributor who is contractually prohibited from writing publicly about politics under his real name.

[rcfieldz]

James Downton is the pen name of a Federalist contributor who is contractually prohibited from writing publicly about politics under his real name.




Why would this guy not use his real name I wonder? Contractually?

[rcfieldz]

That man is creepy as hell.


https://s5.postimg.org/rkph7wa4n/ezgif-2-8f63cc81c8.gif
Thay there fella.

[ripmeister]

You had spelling difficulty with the medium difficulty word "Limbaugh".
Am I being culturally insensitive? Perhaps that was the ebonics spelling.:grin:

LOL! I figured that's what it was but wasn't sure. For future reference I've always called Limbaugh Limbo. You know as in Limbo. Your attempt at being dismissive was actually a lack of understanding on your part. That's ok though. We all make mistakes.

[MisterVeritis]

LOL! I figured that's what it was but wasn't sure. For future reference I've always called Limbaugh Limbo. You know as in Limbo. Your attempt at being dismissive was actually a lack of understanding on your part. That's ok though. We all make mistakes.
I suppose I can add another. You were not taught critical thinking skills. You don't know how to spell, and you are unable to communicate effectively.

We all make mistakes.

[ripmeister]

I suppose I can add another. You were not taught critical thinking skills. You don't know how to spell, and you are unable to communicate effectively.

We all make mistakes.
Whatever dude.

[Chris]

James Downton is the pen name of a Federalist contributor who is contractually prohibited from writing publicly about politics under his real name.






Do try and address the message rather than the

[MisterVeritis]

Whatever dude.
I probably should have added the grin emoji. :grin:

[nic34]

Is there anyway we can speed it up?

One can hope....

[ripmeister]

I probably should have added the grin emoji. :grin:
That may have helped. One problem with forum posts is the inability to perceive tone. It is what it is.

[nic34]

Anyway, everyone knows the coup happened last November 2016...

[MisterVeritis]

Anyway, everyone knows the coup happened last November 2016...
If one is not a stupid, radical leftist one knows elections are not coups. A coup tries to overturn the results of an election. Doing so is unlawful, unconstitutional and unamerican. You should be stripped of your property and citizenship for supporting the coup attempt.

[Peter1469]

Anyway, everyone knows the coup happened last November 2016...


lol

A retort from the hard left..., a lame retort. But nevertheless, as retort.

[Common Sense]

To call this a coup is beyond dramatic.

The right picked on every word that Obama uttered and labeled him as everything from a communist to muslim fascist.

The right is outdoing the left when it comes to drama. They also seem to have forgotten all the hysteria and bullshit they doled out.

[Peter1469]

To call this a coup is beyond dramatic.

The right picked on every word that Obama uttered and labeled him as everything from a communist to muslim fascist.

The right is outdoing the left when it comes to drama. They also seem to have forgotten all the hysteria and bullshit they doled out.


Actually no.

[del]

Actually no.

incorrect

[Common Sense]

Actually no.
No, I'm actually correct. Calling this a coup is an illustration of ignorance and naïveté. Not to mention it's just fucking dumb.

[Peter1469]

No, I'm actually correct. Calling this a coup is an illustration of ignorance and naïveté. Not to mention it's just fucking dumb.

Dr. Victor Davis Hanson is not dumb nor fucking dumb. And he is not political. He is a classicist. Nothing is new under the sun. Even public school students it seems. Ancient Greece had the same problems.

[del]

Dr. Victor Davis Hanson is not dumb nor fucking dumb. And he is not political. He is a classicist. Nothing is new under the sun. Even public school students it seems. Ancient Greece had the same problems.
he's a right wing nutbar.

[Peter1469]

he's a right wing nutbar.

Actually he was for Athens over Sparta.....

[Common]

Of course its an attempted coup, when you have Democrat Politicians and the main stream media colluding to denigrate the president by making false accusations after another. You have college professors organizing protests. You have THE LOSER QUEEN OF THE CENTURY pushing a resistance and the X president who started it and continues it.

Its an attempted coup that so far hasnt gained them anything and they are still losing elections.

[Common Sense]

Dr. Victor Davis Hanson is not dumb nor fucking dumb. And he is not political. He is a classicist. Nothing is new under the sun. Even public school students it seems. Ancient Greece had the same problems.

He's one of your favourites...he's a neocon.

[MisterVeritis]

No, I'm actually correct. Calling this a coup is an illustration of ignorance and naïveté. Not to mention it's just fucking dumb.
It is a coup attempt. It will fail.

[Chris]

He's one of your favourites...he's a neocon.

"He has been described as a neoconservative by some commentators, for his support of maintaining U.S. troops to rebuild society after successful military interventions... More recently, Hanson has appeared to reject the term neoconservative, writing in a 2016 column "Hillary’s Neoliberals" that the term neoconservative was coined in the 1970s to describe liberals who moved right on social issues and on maintaining deterrence during the Cold War.[21] Hanson has critiqued the decision of several neoconservatives to declare their support for Hillary Clinton as preferable to Donald Trump on grounds that Clinton has a long history of abuse of office, and is mired in scandal over violations of national security statutes as well as influence peddling between the Clinton Foundation and the State Department.[22] Hanson has attacked these neoconservatives as "neoliberals" who were never entirely proper conservative, arguing that these people had joined the Republican Party out of distaste for the Democratic Party..."

@ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Davis_Hanson

[Chris]

Of course its an attempted coup, when you have Democrat Politicians and the main stream media colluding to denigrate the president by making false accusations after another. You have college professors organizing protests. You have THE LOSER QUEEN OF THE CENTURY pushing a resistance and the X president who started it and continues it.

Its an attempted coup that so far hasnt gained them anything and they are still losing elections.


Don't forget the entrenched bureaucratic army.

[Common Sense]

It is a coup attempt. It will fail.

It's as much a coup attempt as Republicans attempted with Obama. It's politics.

The US has elected a simplistic huckster that has appealed to the portion of the electorate who live in fear. Now they are surprised and offended when his shortcomings and potentially his unscrupulous actions are reported on.

I thought the far left were the best drama queens...you guys have them beat by a country mile. Coup....lol.

[Common Sense]

"He has been described as a neoconservative by some commentators, for his support of maintaining U.S. troops to rebuild society after successful military interventions... More recently, Hanson has appeared to reject the term neoconservative, writing in a 2016 column "Hillary’s Neoliberals" that the term neoconservative was coined in the 1970s to describe liberals who moved right on social issues and on maintaining deterrence during the Cold War.[21] Hanson has critiqued the decision of several neoconservatives to declare their support for Hillary Clinton as preferable to Donald Trump on grounds that Clinton has a long history of abuse of office, and is mired in scandal over violations of national security statutes as well as influence peddling between the Clinton Foundation and the State Department.[22] Hanson has attacked these neoconservatives as "neoliberals" who were never entirely proper conservative, arguing that these people had joined the Republican Party out of distaste for the Democratic Party..."

@ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Davis_Hanson

Yeah...the guy voted for Bush Jr. twice and I'm told he is non political.

[Chris]

Yeah...the guy voted for Bush Jr. twice and I'm told he is non political.

He's a historian, military, classical Greece,, etc is all I know of him.

[Peter1469]

He's one of your favourites...he's a neocon.
1. I am not a neocon
2. If you think VDH is one, you are as bad as Ransom and Exo.

[Chris]

It's as much a coup attempt as Republicans attempted with Obama. It's politics.

The US has elected a simplistic huckster that has appealed to the portion of the electorate who live in fear. Now they are surprised and offended when his shortcomings and potentially his unscrupulous actions are reported on.

I thought the far left were the best drama queens...you guys have them beat by a country mile. Coup....lol.



I agree, alot of it is just typical Amercian political opposition. Thus slow. But I've never seen the media at war with a President. Not have I ever heard as much resistance from the bureaucracy before. Thus deep.

[Common Sense]

1. I am not a neocon
2. If you think VDH is one, you are as bad as Ransom and Exo.
I didn't say you were. I was being sarcastic.

He voted for a neocon twice. That's good enough for me.

[MisterVeritis]

It's as much a coup attempt as Republicans attempted with Obama. It's politics.

The US has elected a simplistic huckster that has appealed to the portion of the electorate who live in fear. Now they are surprised and offended when his shortcomings and potentially his unscrupulous actions are reported on.

I thought the far left were the best drama queens...you guys have them beat by a country mile. Coup....lol.
We can disagree. After all, it isn't as if your opinion about our affairs matters.

[Peter1469]

I didn't say you were. I was being sarcastic.

He voted for a neocon twice. That's good enough for me.
I don't know who he voted for. But his professional opinions are based on his study of the classics. He has given lectures that discussed why the push to bring democracy to Iraq and Afghanistan were ill-advised. Whether he voted Bush or not- he is no neocon. Listen to his lectures.

[MisterVeritis]

I agree, alot of it is just typical Amercian political opposition. Thus slow. But I've never seen the media at war with a President. Not have I ever heard as much resistance from the bureaucracy before. Thus deep.
Political opposition ought to come from political parties, not the left media and the entrenched bureaucrats. That is what makes this a coup attempt.

[Common Sense]

I agree, alot of it is just typical Amercian political opposition. Thus slow. But I've never seen the media at war with a President. Not have I ever heard as much resistance from the bureaucracy before. Thus deep.

The idea that the media is at war is not exactly accurate. Trump is unprecedented when it comes to boorish and clownish behaviour. He's not a typical president and he says and does things that are sure to get attention. He claims the media are his enemy and then we are surprised when the media covers his ridiculous behaviour? The media hasn't fabricated anything. They are reporting either the outlandish things he says (then we're told to take him with a grain of salt) or the plethora of sketchy circumstances and smoke that connects his campaign to Russia. Are they not supposed to report that?

Trump is a clown and a joke...why anyone would be surprised and offended when that's reported is ridiculous. To call it a coup is embarrassing....

[MisterVeritis]

The idea that the media is at war is not exactly accurate. Trump is unprecedented when it comes to boorish and clownish behaviour. He's not a typical president and he says and does things that are sure to get attention. He claims the media are his enemy and then we are surprised when the media covers his ridiculous behaviour? The media hasn't fabricated anything. They are reporting either the outlandish things he says (then we're told to take him with a grain of salt) or the plethora of sketchy circumstances and smoke that connects his campaign to Russia. Are they not supposed to report that?

Trump is a clown and a joke...why anyone would be surprised and offended when that's reported is ridiculous. To call it a coup is embarrassing....
...it is not as if your opinion matters.

[Common Sense]

Political opposition ought to come from political parties, not the left media and the entrenched bureaucrats. That is what makes this a coup attempt.

Do you really not remember how the right wing media treated Obama?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlFFIB9FZAc

[Common Sense]

...it is not as if your opinion matters.
It matters about as much as yours does...

[MisterVeritis]

?
Do you really not remember how the right wing media treated Obama?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlFFIB9FZAc
There is no such thing as right wing media. An opinion show here and there is radically different than the entrenched bureaucrats colluding with the left media to bring down a President.

I want some heads to roll. I think Susan Rice would be a good start to lose her freedom for the rest of her life.

[MisterVeritis]

It matters about as much as yours does...
I live here. My opinion matters. You don't. You may continue to amuse me.

[Common Sense]

?
There is no such thing as right wing media. An opinion show here and there is radically different than the entrenched bureaucrats colluding with the left media to bring down a President.

I want some heads to roll. I think Susan Rice would be a good start to lose her freedom for the rest of her life.
Yes, I'm well aware of your bloodlust...

[del]

Actually he was for Athens over Sparta.....
that's nice

he's still a rwnj

[Common]

that's nice

he's still a rwnj

Admit you didnt know that, so you did your usual say something meaningless

[Common Sense]

I live here. My opinion matters. You don't. You may continue to amuse me.


Again, indicating that me expressing my opinion bothers you so much is not exactly dissuading me from posting.

[Peter1469]

that's nice

he's still a rwnj
He spoke out against the neocons and their insanity.

But that doesn't fit the agenda of the left. Attack. Attack.

[Beevee]

You appear to be an expert. What statute governs the crimes you allege?

The only expert on this forum is you. If you turn out to be wrong, America will disappear up its own arse hole.

[MisterVeritis]

Yes, I'm well aware of your bloodlust...
Cool. It is a lust for justice. Don't worry your pretty head.

[Common Sense]

Cool. It is a lust for justice. Don't worry your pretty head.

Is it though?

[MisterVeritis]

Again, indicating that me expressing my opinion bothers you so much is not exactly dissuading me from posting.
Bothers me? LOL. No. You are here to amuse Americans living in this country.