Upping the ante

[Docthehun]

http://www.voanews.com/amp/third-naval-strike-force-deployed-north-korea/3873637.html

but not to be outdone.....

https://www.yahoo.com/news/north-korea-leader-kim-guides-test-anti-aircraft-004700453.html

[DGUtley]

That's all we need, another war...

[Peter1469]

North Korean leader Kim Jong Un has supervised the test of a new anti-aircraft weapon system and ordered its mass production and deployment throughout the country, the state news agency reported on Sunday, after weeks of defiant ballistic missile tests.

The North's KCNA news agency did not report the exact nature of the weapon or the time of the test but said it was organized by the Academy of National Defence Science, a blacklisted agency that is believed to be developing missiles and nuclear weapons.


The North has been pushing to develop a wide range of weapon systems since early last year at an unprecedented pace including a long-range missile capable of striking the mainland United States and has in recent weeks tested its intermediate-range ballistic missile, making some technical advances.

[donttread]

That's all we need, another war...


The military industrial complex is well aware that the ME is , despite the curent ISIS situation, becoming irrelevant as we move past oil. So we are lining up new or recycled threats and have been for at least a year or so. China, NK , Russia all in the news lately for doing things they've been doing right along.
Perhaps we can all find some poor defenseless nation where we can wage war upon one another through "rebels" and "evil government troops"?
But the spending must continue!

[Crepitus]

I have the feeling that if 1 carrier group didn't intimidate him, and 2 carrier groups didn't intimidate him, then 3? Probably not gonna make much difference.

[Docthehun]

That's all we need, another war...

If you get a chance, tune into Jim Mattis's interview with John Dickerson on "Face the Nation" this morning. Two of Trump's picks that particularly impress me are Rex and this guy. His sobering comments on North Korea.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcript-defense-secretary-james-mattis-on-face-the-nation-may-28-2017/

[Peter1469]

I have the feeling that if 1 carrier group didn't intimidate him, and 2 carrier groups didn't intimidate him, then 3? Probably not gonna make much difference.
Then keep thinking. Why would Trump move 3 ASGs into position if intimidation doesn't work with NK?

[Green Arrow]

Then keep thinking. Why would Trump move 3 ASGs into position if intimidation doesn't work with NK?

Because like with everything else, he doesn't know what he's doing.

[Peter1469]

Because like with everything else, he doesn't know what he's doing.
You don't move 3 ASGs across the ocean for no reason.

[Crepitus]

Then keep thinking. Why would Trump move 3 ASGs into position if intimidation doesn't work with NK?

Because he's just dying to start another war.

[Peter1469]

Because he's just dying to start another war.

Half correct.

Better than nothing.

[Tahuyaman]

Should North Korea just be ignored in hopes that they are just seeking attention?

[Tahuyaman]

Because like with everything else, he doesn't know what he's doing.


Do you think his first diplomatic trip abroad demonstrated that he doesn't know what he's doing?

[Green Arrow]

Do you think his first diplomatic trip abroad demonstrated that he doesn't know what he's doing?

Yes, I do.

[Tahuyaman]

Do you think his first diplomatic trip abroad demonstrated that he doesn't know what he's doing?


Yes, I do.

Will you explain why?

[del]

Do you think his first diplomatic trip abroad demonstrated that he doesn't know what he's doing?

bigly

[Tahuyaman]

bigly


Explain why.

I know it's asking a lot, but try to explain yourself without living down to my expectations.

[del]

Explain why.

I know it's asking a lot, but try to explain yourself without living down to my expectations.

go waste someone else's time

[Tahuyaman]

Explain why.

I know it's asking a lot, but try to explain yourself without living down to my expectations.


go waste someone else's time


Gee. Didn't see that idiocy coming.....

[Tahuyaman]

Do you think his first diplomatic trip abroad demonstrated that he doesn't know what he's doing?


Yes, I do.


Will you explain why?

guess not......

[donttread]

I have the feeling that if 1 carrier group didn't intimidate him, and 2 carrier groups didn't intimidate him, then 3? Probably not gonna make much difference.

Pissing contest?

[Crepitus]

Pissing contest?

A carrier group can piss a looooong way.

[Ethereal]

If Trump attacks North Korea, he will instantly become one of the worst, most tyrannical presidents in history.

[Ethereal]

Should North Korea just be ignored in hopes that they are just seeking attention?
No, we should keep escalating the situation until a war breaks out and millions of people die.

[Peter1469]

If Trump attacks North Korea, he will instantly become one of the worst, most tyrannical presidents in history.
I don't think Trump should attack, but I think Kim is a rational actor.

But most don't. If you think Kim is an insane nut, military action as a last resort is almost time.

[Ethereal]

I don't think Trump should attack, but I think Kim is a rational actor.

But most don't. If you think Kim is an insane nut, military action as a last resort is almost time.

Without congressional authorization, Trump would be committing one of the most egregious and unlawful acts in the history of America.

[Jezebel]

bigly

Bigly's not a word.

[del]

Bigly's not a word.
wolverines aren't vegetarians

[Peter1469]

Without congressional authorization, Trump would be committing one of the most egregious and unlawful acts in the history of America.

Congress doesn't want to be in that loop.

If is a trigger that could be seen as an emergency such as another nuclear test by NK, then Congress won't peep if the US strikes.

[Crepitus]

Bigly's not a word.

Lol, maybe you should tell the Great Trumpkin.

[Jezebel]

wolverines aren't vegetarians

Then what do they eat on Fridays?

[Jezebel]

Lol, maybe you should tell the Great Trumpkin.
Why would that be? Have you ever known him to make up a word like "bigly" ?

[Green Arrow]

guess not......
Sorry, unlike some people here, I have a life outside of this forum.

Will you explain why?
Off the top of my head, cozying up to Saudi Arabia and selling them more American weapons was a bad call. Refusing to commit one way or the other on the G7 declaration on the Paris climate agreement was also embarrassing.

[Green Arrow]

Why would that be? Have you ever known him to make up a word like "bigly" ?
@Crepitus (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1345), don't answer that. Don't feed the troll.

[Crepitus]

@Crepitus (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1345), don't answer that. Don't feed the troll.

Awww. He's funny.

[Tahuyaman]

Sorry, unlike some people here, I have a life outside of this forum.

Off the top of my head, cozying up to Saudi Arabia and selling them more American weapons was a bad call. Refusing to commit one way or the other on the G7 declaration on the Paris climate agreement was also embarrassing.

Not embracing the hoax of man made climate change is a plus. Why would a capitalist nation want to commit to anti capitalist ideas?

if one is expecting to create stability in the ME it's going to need to be a joint effort to include Saudi Arabia.

[Green Arrow]

Not embracing the hoax of man made climate change is a plus. Why would a capitalist nation want to commit to anti capitalist ideas?
Climate change has nothing to do with capitalism and I said he refused to commit one way or the other. Even backing out would have been preferable to refusing to commit one way or the other.

if one is expecting to create stability in the ME it's going to need to be a joint effort to include Saudi Arabia.
Saudi Arabia is part and parcel of the instability. You don't fix it by enabling them to continue fucking it up.

[Dr. Who]

Congress doesn't want to be in that loop.

If is a trigger that could be seen as an emergency such as another nuclear test by NK, then Congress won't peep if the US strikes.

Madness for nothing. NK could never develop enough nukes, never mind long range nukes to threaten America. The solution to NK is China. If China tells NK to stand down, it will.

[Jezebel]

@Crepitus (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1345), don't answer that. Don't feed the troll.
LoL, because you know the answer. Trump never said "bigly" he said "big league".

[Peter1469]

Madness for nothing. NK could never develop enough nukes, never mind long range nukes to threaten America. The solution to NK is China. If China tells NK to stand down, it will.

EMP strike.

[Tahuyaman]

Climate change has nothing to do with capitalism and I said he refused to commit one way or the other. Even backing out would have been preferable to refusing to commit one way or the other.

Saudi Arabia is part and parcel of the instability. You don't fix it by enabling them to continue $#@!ing it up.


Climate change is is entirely an anti capitalist movement. That's part of the hoax.


How can you create stability in a region if you ignore certain nations which contribute to that instability?

[Green Arrow]

Climate change is is entirely an anti capitalist movement. That's part of the hoax.
It's a science movement. Capitalism is irrelevant.


How can you create stability in a region if you ignore certain nations which contribute to that instability?

Such as?

[Tahuyaman]

It's a science movement. Capitalism is irrelevant.


The he issue of man made climate change has no relationship with science.

[Tahuyaman]

How can you create stability in a region if you ignore certain nations which contribute to that instability?


Such as?

You can't answer the question, so you cammoflage that by asking another question.

[Green Arrow]

You can't answer the question, so you cammoflage that by asking another question.

I can't answer the question because I don't know which nation(s) you're referring to. Clarify your statement and I'll answer your question.

[Tahuyaman]

I can't answer the question because I don't know which nation(s) you're referring to. Clarify your statement and I'll answer your question.


Ok.... If you claim that Saudi Arabia is one of the major causes of instability in the Middle East, how would you Foster stability by isolating them? Wouldn't you be required to engage them and motivate a change in behaviors?

[Green Arrow]

Ok.... If you claim that Saudi Arabia is one of the major causes of instability in the Middle East, how would you Foster stability by isolating them? Wouldn't you be required to engage them and motivate a change in behaviors?

Sure, but not by kissing their butts and selling them weapons. You do have to isolate them to a degree and force them to the table.

[Tahuyaman]

Sure, but not by kissing their butts and selling them weapons. You do have to isolate them to a degree and force them to the table.


We're done. You can't be coaxed into participating in a substantive discussion.

[del]

lol

[Green Arrow]

We're done. You can't be coaxed into participating in a substantive discussion.

Coax is a data transmission cable.

[Tahuyaman]

Coax is a data transmission cable.
Your first sentence is generally a smarmy insult. You can't express a thought without that. Go shout into your echo chamber.

[del]

irony abounds

[Green Arrow]

Your first sentence is generally a smarmy insult. You can't express a thought without that. Go shout into your echo chamber.

A smarmy insult against the Saudis and maybe Trump, sure.

[Tahuyaman]

A smarmy insult against the Saudis and maybe Trump, sure.

Not just then.

[Bethere]

Then keep thinking. Why would Trump move 3 ASGs into position if intimidation doesn't work with NK?

Domestic political consumption.

Luckily bethere was here to educate and inform.

[Hal Jordan]

We're done. You can't be coaxed into participating in a substantive discussion.

With this response, you support terrorism by enabling Saudi Arabia to continue leading it. Seriously?

[Peter1469]

Domestic political consumption.

Luckily bethere was here to educate and inform.
Your wild guess is likely incorrect. Bringing 3 ASGs together is not only expensive but it stresses the Navy and its global mission. If all three stay off NK it is very likely they will be used if Kim doesn't back down.

[donttread]

Then keep thinking. Why would Trump move 3 ASGs into position if intimidation doesn't work with NK?


We are told these are super ships and one could take him down. Is that war buff fancy?

[Tahuyaman]

With this response, you support terrorism by enabling Saudi Arabia to continue leading it. Seriously?

If that's what you think, drive on.

[Bo-4]

Bullying a Bully is a dumb tactic and total waste of our resources.

Perhaps Trump should pay Baby Kim a visit - he's a "smart cookie" after all!

:rolleyes:

[Peter1469]

We are told these are super ships and one could take him down. Is that war buff fancy?

The US way of war is to use more than necessary.

[del]

The US way of war is to use more than necessary.
you misspelled trump and intelligent

[resister]

Lol, maybe you should tell the Great Trumpkin.Actually, it is.

[Crepitus]

Actually, it is.

Well so is grabblefracite but not a real one.