Let's Privatize Air Traffic Control

[exotix]

Happening Now


... simply because Elaine Chao is Mitch McConnells' wife ?


'It will all be Self Funding' ?


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[Bo-4]

That's always gone over so well in the past -

Maybe Trump could bundle it with the privatization of Social Security?

:laughing7:

[Private Pickle]

That's always gone over so well in the past -

Maybe Trump could bundle it with the privatization of Social Security?

:laughing7:

When has it gone wrong?

[Bo-4]

When has it gone wrong?

Republicans have been pushing this turd for decades

It’s an idea that’s been tried many times before dating back to the Clinton administration and most recently last year in legislation championed by Rep. Bill Shuster (R-Pa.), chairman of the House Transportation Committee. His bill never made it to the Senate, where several key GOP members resisted the idea of transferring government assets to a corporation.

http://hotair.com/archives/2017/06/04/president-will-pushing-bill-shusters-terrible-air-traffic-controller-plan/

[Peter1469]

Most nations have privatized air traffic control. Relax.

[del]

Most nations have privatized air traffic control. Relax.
we should do more to emulate dubai.

[exotix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sr6Ri0c5b5E

[Peter1469]

we should do more to emulate dubai.


And Germany, France, the UK, etc.

[Peter1469]

You people really think a government cog makes air travel safer?

lol

[Newpublius]

Its really just another example of corporate welfare.

[Chris]

We should privatize the damned government.

[Peter1469]

Its really just another example of corporate welfare.

Expand on that, please.

[exotix]

We should privatize the damned government.Expand on that, please.

[Peter1469]

We should privatize the damned government.


At least the parts that are not inherently governmental.

[Tahuyaman]

Privatization is often appropriate.

when there's a profit motive, that often leads to greater efficiency, innovation and an improved product.

[Private Pickle]

Republicans have been pushing this turd for decades

It’s an idea that’s been tried many times before dating back to the Clinton administration and most recently last year in legislation championed by Rep. Bill Shuster (R-Pa.), chairman of the House Transportation Committee. His bill never made it to the Senate, where several key GOP members resisted the idea of transferring government assets to a corporation.

http://hotair.com/archives/2017/06/04/president-will-pushing-bill-shusters-terrible-air-traffic-controller-plan/

You didn't answer my question.

[exotix]

Privatization is often appropriate.I'm sure the founding fathers *suggested that* when drafting the Constitution.

[Peter1469]

I'm sure the founding fathers *suggested that* when drafting the Constitution.
-snicker-

[Bo-4]

You didn't answer my question.

Yes i did - I didn't mean that the implementation of such a horrible idea went wrong.

Multiple attempts at legislation went over like a fart in a spacesuit.

Echoes of GWB's privatize Social Security tour :wink:

[Tahuyaman]

I'm sure the founding fathers *suggested that* when drafting the Constitution.

I'm sure they did or they would have nationalized everything.

[Private Pickle]

Yes i did - I didn't mean that the implementation of such a horrible idea went wrong.

Multiple attempts at legislation went over like a fart in a spacesuit.

Echoes of GWB's privatize Social Security tour :wink:


[ His bill never made it to the Senate, where several key GOP members resisted the idea of transferring government assets to a corporation.

[exotix]

I'm sure they did or they would have nationalized everything.That's nice ... *nationalization* wasn't invented until 1938 ... and in accordance with full compensations to the owners ... LOL

[Peter1469]

That's nice ... *nationalization* wasn't invented until 1938 ... and in accordance with full compensations to the owners ... LOL


This is probably a useless question: why did 1938 pop into your head?

[exotix]

This is probably a useless question: why did 1938 pop into your head?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalization



Compensation

The traditional Western stance on compensation was expressed by United States Secretary of State (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Secretary_of_State) Cordell Hull (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordell_Hull) during the 1938 Mexican nationalization of the petroleum industry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expropiación_petrolera) that compensation should be "prompt, effective and adequate."

According to this view, the nationalizing state is obligated under international law to pay the deprived party the full value of the property taken.

The opposing position has been taken mainly by developing countries (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developing_countries), claiming that the question of compensation should be left entirely up to the sovereign state, in line with the Calvo Doctrine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvo_Doctrine).

Socialist states (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_state) have held that no compensation is due, based on the view that private ownership (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_property) over socialized assets (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialization_(Marxism)) is illegitimate, exploitative, or a hindrance to further economic development.

[MisterVeritis]

I like this idea. We need to peel away the government's control over everything. We can have federal standards implemented through private companies.

We should make social security private. I really like this idea. We can pay for the transition by selling off the massive and unconstitutional federal land holdings.

[Peter1469]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalization



Compensation

The traditional Western stance on compensation was expressed by United States Secretary of State (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Secretary_of_State) Cordell Hull (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordell_Hull) during the 1938 Mexican nationalization of the petroleum industry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expropiación_petrolera) that compensation should be "prompt, effective and adequate."

According to this view, the nationalizing state is obligated under international law to pay the deprived party the full value of the property taken.

The opposing position has been taken mainly by developing countries (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developing_countries), claiming that the question of compensation should be left entirely up to the sovereign state, in line with the Calvo Doctrine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvo_Doctrine).

Socialist states (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_state) have held that no compensation is due, based on the view that private ownership (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_property) over socialized assets (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialization_(Marxism)) is illegitimate, exploitative, or a hindrance to further economic development.
I thought Marx was above your skill set.....

[Safety]

As someone that used to work on air traffic COMM and RADAR, the flying public would be frightened to know just how ancient the equipment used in general aviation is today. The commercial airlines all pretty much use GLONASS and GPS (NEXGEN) for navigation, but 3/4 of the GA infrastructure are still using navigational facilities that were commissioned in the 40's. The .gov spends an ungodly amount of money keeping these sites running, and we often had to work on the equipment energized for fear that if we shut it down, they would not come back up. I don't see private industries willing to spend the money to keep sites like that on the air, so while this mostly has to deal with traffic controllers, the technical operations side of the house will probably not be affected.

[Bo-4]

I like this idea. We need to peel away the government's control over everything. We can have federal standards implemented through private companies.

We should make social security private. I really like this idea. We can pay for the transition by selling off the massive and unconstitutional federal land holdings.

You are chockfull of one bad idea after the next!

Wouldn't it've been great if Bushie had handed off Social Security to Wall Street a year before the crash?

:rolleyes:

[exotix]

I thought Marx was above your skill set.....America was built on the whimsical blend of socialism and capitalism ... but because your mind has been slowing rotting away from (e)immersing in TeaBag Manifesto this escapes you ... LOL

[Kalkin]

I like this idea. We need to peel away the government's control over everything. We can have federal standards implemented through private companies.

We should make social security private. I really like this idea. We can pay for the transition by selling off the massive and unconstitutional federal land holdings.

Social security should be a voluntary program.

[Peter1469]

You are chockfull of one bad idea after the next!

Wouldn't it've been great if Bushie had handed off Social Security to Wall Street a year before the crash?

:rolleyes:


The plan to privatize SS would have created a system like the Thrift Savings Plan. That has 5 choices plus a system of Lifestyle options that you can use.

Those funds are relatively safe. I knew the shit was about to hit the fan and I moved my money into the G fund. It lost around 2%. You know what happened in other sectors.

Then after things started to settle, I moved my money into International and small cap.

I made a lot of money that way.

Social Security is a pitiful investment.

[Tahuyaman]

This is probably a useless question: why did 1938 pop into your head?


His thought process is inexplicable.

[Bo-4]

The plan to privatize SS would have created a system like the Thrift Savings Plan. That has 5 choices plus a system of Lifestyle options that you can use.

Those funds are relatively safe. I knew the shit was about to hit the fan and I moved my money into the G fund. It lost around 2%. You know what happened in other sectors.

Then after things started to settle, I moved my money into International and small cap.

I made a lot of money that way.

Social Security is a pitiful investment.

Okay - all i remember is that Bushie's plan flopped.

Thank God

If Republicans keep messing with incredibly popular programs, they'll continue to get the horn.

Trump - and Republicans in general on the wrong end of about 90% of their pet issues.

[Tahuyaman]

The plan to privatize SS would have created a system like the Thrift Savings Plan. That has 5 choices plus a system of Lifestyle options that you can use.

Those funds are relatively safe. I knew the $#@! was about to hit the fan and I moved my money into the G fund. It lost around 2%. You know what happened in other sectors.

Then after things started to settle, I moved my money into International and small cap.

I made a lot of money that way.

Social Security is a pitiful investment.


Didn't Bush propose allowing us to privately manage a measly 2% of our Social Security funds? Just image how liberal heads would have exploded if he had proposed 3% or 4%.

[Peter1469]

Okay - all i remember is that Bushie's plan flopped.

Thank God

If Republicans keep messing with incredibly popular programs, they'll continue to get the horn.

Trump - and Republicans in general on the wrong end of about 90% of their pet issues.
I agree that it is not popular to fix SS. I am only saying the current system is not about return on investment. It is about control.

[Peter1469]

Didn't Bush propose allowing us to privately manage a measly 2% of our Social Security funds? Just image how liberal heads would have exploded if he had proposed 3% or 4%.

I believe it was the 2%.

The Dems refused. Likely that 2% would have out performed the remaining 98%. They don't tolerate that vivid demonstration that SS is a bad investment.

[MisterVeritis]

You are chockfull of one bad idea after the next!
Wouldn't it've been great if Bushie had handed off Social Security to Wall Street a year before the crash?
:rolleyes:
Note to self: Bo has no idea what privatization means.

[MisterVeritis]

Social security should be a voluntary program.
The private portion of mine is. Meanwhile, we have a Ponzi Scheme that must be gently torn apart in the same way the abortionist gently tears apart a baby.

The Feds can put the public lands on the market to pay for the transition.

[MisterVeritis]

If Republicans keep messing with incredibly popular programs, they'll continue to get the horn.

For example winning majorities in the House, Senate and winning the Presidency? Or do you mean the thousand seats or so that were held by Democrats that are now held by Republicans?

[Bo-4]

Note to self: Bo has no idea what privatization means.

Write your representatives and run a few of your bad ideas by them:

1) Limited nuclear war
2) Stamping out Islam worldwide
3) Sell all federal lands to mining, timber and oil interests
4) Privatize Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, ATC and what ever else your billionaire overlords can get their greedy mitts on
5) Sell national parks and all federal lands to Exxon, Duke Energy, US Steel and Weyerhaeuser

And when you run out of your own horrible ideas, let me know and i can probably work up a few more that you'll really like!

;-)

[stjames1_53]

we should do more to emulate dubai.

better yet, move there and live the lifestyle they want you to live....BTW, does that include acts of terrorism they might demand you do?

[stjames1_53]

Okay - all i remember is that Bushie's plan flopped.

Thank God

If Republicans keep messing with incredibly popular programs, they'll continue to get the horn.

Trump - and Republicans in general on the wrong end of about 90% of their pet issues.

you misspelled Entitlement Programs

[MisterVeritis]

Write your representatives and run a few of your bad ideas by them:
1) Limited nuclear war
2) Stamping out Islam worldwide
3) Sell all federal lands to mining, timber and oil interests
4) Privatize Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, ATC and what ever else your billionaire overlords can get their greedy mitts on
5) Sell national parks and all federal lands to Exxon, Duke Energy, US Steel and Weyerhaeuser

And when you run out of your own horrible ideas, let me know and i can probably work up a few more that you'll really like!
;-)
It is a wonder you can feed yourself.