The Proud Boys

[Private Pickle]

An interesting and new "alt-right" group has emerged, created in 2016, called "The Proud Boys". They held a protest in Boulder, CO this past weekend and I decided to read up on them.

At the protest there were about 30 of them countered by about 200 protestors...many from the Antifa crowd with their black clothes and masks. Things went relatively peacefully but a few smoke bombs were thrown.

I watched the video and it seemed like the counter-protestors were calling them racists and Nazis. I did some research.


Proud Boys is a far-right (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right) men's organization[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys#cite_note-Carter-1)[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys#cite_note-Long-2)[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys#cite_note-3) founded in 2016 by commentator Gavin McInnes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_McInnes). McInnes describes the organization as a "pro-Western (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_culture) fraternal organization (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraternal_organization)" for men who "refuse to apologize for creating the modern world."[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys#cite_note-4) They also subscribe to "no wanks", which is a rule banning masturbation.[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys#cite_note-5)
The group takes its name from the showtune "Proud of Your Boy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_of_Your_Boy)," a song introduced in the 2011 stage-show version of Disney's Aladdin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aladdin_(2011_musical)).[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys#cite_note-6)[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys#cite_note-Disser-7)
In 2017, McInnes and Kyle Chapman teamed up to help the Proud Boys form a "street fighting" wing of the alt-right called the "Fraternal Order of the Alt-Knights" (FOAK).[8] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys#cite_note-8)[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys#cite_note-SPLCFOAK-9)
The group was present at the He Will Not Divide Us (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/He_Will_Not_Divide_Us) stream


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys

More reading:

http://officialproudboys.com/

Now from what I understand from reading and watching YouTube videos on these guys is that they certainly aren't Nazis. They allow homosexuals and minorities into their group. There are several members who are black, Mexican, Asian and homosexual. They are definitely hard right with their ideals about going back to a more traditional America "venerating the housewife and praising the entrepreneur" but nothing I read or saw lead me to believe they are racists.

They love Trump and they are among the biggest group that actively engages both verbally and physically with Antifa. They aren't afraid to mix it up with violence. I'm not saying that is good or bad...just is a fact.

They also have a bunch of weird traditions, codes and indoctrinations into the club.

Degree 1 Proud Boy is someone who openly admits to being a "Western Chauvinist" and believes the West is responsible for the "modern world".
Degree 2 Is a quasi beat in where 3-4 members punch an potential Proud Boy (not in the face or genitals) until he can name 5 breakfast cereals.
Degree 3 Is a tattoo in a specific font that says "Proud Boy"
Degree 4 Is street fighting or being arrested during a protest for standing up against Antifa.

Anyway thought it was interesting stuff.

Oh and by the way they can only jerk off once a month unless they are within 1 yard of a female and she consents.

[resister]

Sounds like a strange gang. There it is, The strange boys.

[Private Pickle]

Sounds like a strange gang. There it is, The strange boys.

Gaining popularity though. A few thousand members already and counting. I'm wondering if Antifa's tactics of rioting and violence is causing this.

[resister]

Gaining popularity though. A few thousand members already and counting. I'm wondering if Antifa's tactics of rioting and violence is causing this.
Quite possible. I just thought of a better name, The strange blue ball boys.

[Chris]

The fascist crap is from the left. The antifas act more like "fascists."

One, who agreed with the antifas, said "'We don't engage in dialogue with fascists,' he said. 'They use free speech and democracy to undermine free speech and democracy.'" @ http://www.dailycamera.com/news/boulder/ci_31034991/arrests-made-at-downtown-boulder-rally-staged-by

[Mister D]

The West is obviously responsible for the modern world. That's controversial only to the ignorant. I just don't know if that's a good thing...

[Common]

I dont like this, this is getting worse and worse. there was a big clash the other day in portland between trump supporters and haters. Its not going to be long before the bullets are going start flying. This is just ridiculous and the LEFT HAS CAUSED THIS

[Tahuyaman]

Sounds like a strange gang. There it is, The strange boys.


I'm with you on this one.

[Archer0915]

An interesting and new "alt-right" group has emerged, created in 2016, called "The Proud Boys". They held a protest in Boulder, CO this past weekend and I decided to read up on them.

At the protest there were about 30 of them countered by about 200 protestors...many from the Antifa crowd with their black clothes and masks. Things went relatively peacefully but a few smoke bombs were thrown.

I watched the video and it seemed like the counter-protestors were calling them racists and Nazis. I did some research.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys

More reading:

http://officialproudboys.com/

Now from what I understand from reading and watching YouTube videos on these guys is that they certainly aren't Nazis. They allow homosexuals and minorities into their group. There are several members who are black, Mexican, Asian and homosexual. They are definitely hard right with their ideals about going back to a more traditional America "venerating the housewife and praising the entrepreneur" but nothing I read or saw lead me to believe they are racists.

They love Trump and they are among the biggest group that actively engages both verbally and physically with Antifa. They aren't afraid to mix it up with violence. I'm not saying that is good or bad...just is a fact.

They also have a bunch of weird traditions, codes and indoctrinations into the club.

Degree 1 Proud Boy is someone who openly admits to being a "Western Chauvinist" and believes the West is responsible for the "modern world".
Degree 2 Is a quasi beat in where 3-4 members punch an potential Proud Boy (not in the face or genitals) until he can name 5 breakfast cereals.
Degree 3 Is a tattoo in a specific font that says "Proud Boy"
Degree 4 Is street fighting or being arrested during a protest for standing up against Antifa.

Anyway thought it was interesting stuff.

Oh and by the way they can only jerk off once a month unless they are within 1 yard of a female and she consents.

Sounds fun! But I dont need no steenkin organization! I aint scared to speak my mind and do not need people standing behind me to speak.

[MisterVeritis]

I dont like this, this is getting worse and worse. there was a big clash the other day in portland between trump supporters and haters. Its not going to be long before the bullets are going start flying. This is just ridiculous and the LEFT HAS CAUSED THIS
I like it just fine. Do leftists want to fight? Fine with me. The right needs more tough young men willing to go toe to toe with the fascist left. Leave them on the ground, broken and bloody.

Yes. Eventually, it will become a gunfight. We need snipers in overwatch.

[Tahuyaman]

A gun fight until one side can name five popular breakfast cereals.

[Common]

I like it just fine. Do leftists want to fight? Fine with me. The right needs more tough young men willing to go toe to toe with the fascist left. Leave them on the ground, broken and bloody.

Yes. Eventually, it will become a gunfight. We need snipers in overwatch.
Part of me says screw it lets get it on and get it over, then a bigger part of me says were all americans wtf are we doing to ourselves and this country.

[Private Pickle]

Sounds fun! But I dont need no steenkin organization! I aint scared to speak my mind and do not need people standing behind me to speak.

Strength in numbers. As seen in Berkley.

[MisterVeritis]

Part of me says screw it lets get it on and get it over, then a bigger part of me says were all americans wtf are we doing to ourselves and this country.
We are not all Americans.

[Dr. Who]

An interesting and new "alt-right" group has emerged, created in 2016, called "The Proud Boys". They held a protest in Boulder, CO this past weekend and I decided to read up on them.

At the protest there were about 30 of them countered by about 200 protestors...many from the Antifa crowd with their black clothes and masks. Things went relatively peacefully but a few smoke bombs were thrown.

I watched the video and it seemed like the counter-protestors were calling them racists and Nazis. I did some research.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys

More reading:

http://officialproudboys.com/

Now from what I understand from reading and watching YouTube videos on these guys is that they certainly aren't Nazis. They allow homosexuals and minorities into their group. There are several members who are black, Mexican, Asian and homosexual. They are definitely hard right with their ideals about going back to a more traditional America "venerating the housewife and praising the entrepreneur" but nothing I read or saw lead me to believe they are racists.

They love Trump and they are among the biggest group that actively engages both verbally and physically with Antifa. They aren't afraid to mix it up with violence. I'm not saying that is good or bad...just is a fact.

They also have a bunch of weird traditions, codes and indoctrinations into the club.

Degree 1 Proud Boy is someone who openly admits to being a "Western Chauvinist" and believes the West is responsible for the "modern world".
Degree 2 Is a quasi beat in where 3-4 members punch an potential Proud Boy (not in the face or genitals) until he can name 5 breakfast cereals.
Degree 3 Is a tattoo in a specific font that says "Proud Boy"
Degree 4 Is street fighting or being arrested during a protest for standing up against Antifa.

Anyway thought it was interesting stuff.

Oh and by the way they can only jerk off once a month unless they are within 1 yard of a female and she consents.

So they are basically new age neandethals who actually mirror the mentality of Islamic fundamentalists without the religion. Cool.

[resister]

So they are basically new age neandethals who actually mirror the mentality of Islamic fundamentalists without the religion. Cool.
Seems to be recoil. Go figure, bound to happen.

[Dr. Who]

Seems to be recoil. Go figure, bound to happen.

Yeah well with those attitudes they will be watching the calendar a lot. Just sayin...

[resister]

Yeah well with those attitudes they will be watching the calendar a lot. Just sayin...
Not an attitude, as it comes, so it goes. Ebb and flow.

[Dr. Who]

Not an attitude, as it comes, so it goes. Ebb and flow.

I suspect that they will be ebbing more than flowing. With those attitudes they will be avoided by the ladies like a rash. That's why I'm saying they will be watching the calendar.

[donttread]

An interesting and new "alt-right" group has emerged, created in 2016, called "The Proud Boys". They held a protest in Boulder, CO this past weekend and I decided to read up on them.

At the protest there were about 30 of them countered by about 200 protestors...many from the Antifa crowd with their black clothes and masks. Things went relatively peacefully but a few smoke bombs were thrown.

I watched the video and it seemed like the counter-protestors were calling them racists and Nazis. I did some research.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys

More reading:

http://officialproudboys.com/

Now from what I understand from reading and watching YouTube videos on these guys is that they certainly aren't Nazis. They allow homosexuals and minorities into their group. There are several members who are black, Mexican, Asian and homosexual. They are definitely hard right with their ideals about going back to a more traditional America "venerating the housewife and praising the entrepreneur" but nothing I read or saw lead me to believe they are racists.

They love Trump and they are among the biggest group that actively engages both verbally and physically with Antifa. They aren't afraid to mix it up with violence. I'm not saying that is good or bad...just is a fact.

They also have a bunch of weird traditions, codes and indoctrinations into the club.

Degree 1 Proud Boy is someone who openly admits to being a "Western Chauvinist" and believes the West is responsible for the "modern world".
Degree 2 Is a quasi beat in where 3-4 members punch an potential Proud Boy (not in the face or genitals) until he can name 5 breakfast cereals.
Degree 3 Is a tattoo in a specific font that says "Proud Boy"
Degree 4 Is street fighting or being arrested during a protest for standing up against Antifa.

Anyway thought it was interesting stuff.

Oh and by the way they can only jerk off once a month unless they are within 1 yard of a female and she consents.


Excuse me? A rule banning masterbation? You are joking, right?

[resister]

Excuse me? A rule banning masterbation? You are joking, right?
No bloody wankers allowed!

[Private Pickle]

So they are basically new age neandethals who actually mirror the mentality of Islamic fundamentalists without the religion. Cool.

I didn't get that... Maybe you can elaborate how they are remotely close to Islamic fundamentalists?

[Private Pickle]

Excuse me? A rule banning masterbation? You are joking, right?
Nope.

[Mister D]

So they are basically new age neandethals who actually mirror the mentality of Islamic fundamentalists without the religion. Cool.
Um...what?

[Mister D]

I didn't get that... Maybe you can elaborate how they are remotely close to Islamic fundamentalists?

Neither did I.

[resister]

Neither did I.My first thought was it was a pretty strong reaction upon learning the right is now adopting some tactics of the radical left. Hard to believe no one has won the Godwins law award yet!

[Dr. Who]

I didn't get that... Maybe you can elaborate how they are remotely close to Islamic fundamentalists?
Misogyny, women who must remain home and know their place, sexual restrictions, encouragement to physically fight to impose your worldview on others. It's really not much of a stretch. It very much seeks to remove women's rights to self-determination and transfer the power back to men.

[Private Pickle]

Misogyny, women who must remain home and know their place, sexual restrictions, encouragement to physically fight to impose your worldview on others. It's really not much of a stretch. It very much seeks to remove women's rights to self-determination and transfer the power back to men.

I've never read anything on the Proud Boys that say they want to remove the rights of women. Just that the housewife should be venerated.
Sexual restrictions exist in every religion.

They don't find their use of violence as being offensive rather than defensive. Namely against Antifa who are known to throw rocks, bottles, bricks and explosives.

It's an enormous stretch...

[MisterVeritis]

No bloody wankers allowed!
If it is bloody check your technique. You may be doing it wrong.

[Tahuyaman]

If it is bloody check your technique. You may be doing it wrong.

Boraxo soap as a lubricant maybe?

[Dr. Who]

I've never read anything on the Proud Boys that say they want to remove the rights of women. Just that the housewife should be venerated.
Sexual restrictions exist in every religion.

They don't find their use of violence as being offensive rather than defensive. Namely against Antifa who are known to throw rocks, bottles, bricks and explosives.

It's an enormous stretch...
When women read anything that begins with a definition like "Proud Boy is someone who openly admits to being a "Western Chauvinist" and includes a more traditional America "venerating the housewife", that is going to be interpreted as "women should be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen".

[Private Pickle]

When women read anything that begins with a definition like "Proud Boy is someone who openly admits to being a "Western Chauvinist" and includes a more traditional America "venerating the housewife", that is going to be interpreted as "women should be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen".

Only by over reactionaries.

[Private Pickle]

When women read anything that begins with a definition like "Proud Boy is someone who openly admits to being a "Western Chauvinist" and includes a more traditional America "venerating the housewife", that is going to be interpreted as "women should be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen".

P.S.
It isn't always about you women:

chau·vin·ist
1.
a person displaying aggressive or exaggerated patriotism.

[Dr. Who]

Only by over reactionaries.

Women have been clawing their way out from the yoke of sexism for about 100 years now. So it's not an overreaction, it's just a reaction. There are no positive definitions for the word chauvinism politically or in respect of gender dynamics.

[Private Pickle]

Women have been clawing their way out from the yoke of sexism for about 100 years now. So it's not an overreaction, it's just a reaction. There are no positive definitions for the word chauvinism politically or in respect of gender dynamics.

The problem you're having is with the definition of chauvinism.

And women lost the war on sexes when they started doing pole dancing for exercise....

[Dr. Who]

The problem you're having is with the definition of chauvinism.

And women lost the war on sexes when they started doing pole dancing for exercise....
Women pole dancing for exercise is more of a myth than a reality. Probably a popular theme in porn however.

[Ethereal]

Women pole dancing for exercise is more of a myth than a reality.

It's really not though.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/how-pole-dancing-is-helping-these-women-heal-their_us_592d998ee4b07d848fdc06ab?section=us_healt hy-living
http://metro.co.uk/2017/05/11/pole-dancing-in-water-is-the-new-aquarobics-were-all-going-to-be-doing-6629734/
http://www.medicaldaily.com/i-went-pole-dancing-class-stripper-stigma-going-away-instructor-says-417871
http://www.postbulletin.com/magazines/radish/pole-dancing-for-fitness/article_19b5a7fc-31c7-11e7-8e51-5722fd28b7e6.html

[Ethereal]

And women lost the war on sexes when they started doing pole dancing for exercise....
Huh?

[Dr. Who]

It's really not though.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/how-pole-dancing-is-helping-these-women-heal-their_us_592d998ee4b07d848fdc06ab?section=us_healt hy-living
http://metro.co.uk/2017/05/11/pole-dancing-in-water-is-the-new-aquarobics-were-all-going-to-be-doing-6629734/
http://www.medicaldaily.com/i-went-pole-dancing-class-stripper-stigma-going-away-instructor-says-417871
http://www.postbulletin.com/magazines/radish/pole-dancing-for-fitness/article_19b5a7fc-31c7-11e7-8e51-5722fd28b7e6.html
I still think that the pilates and yoga classes are far more popular.

[Mister D]

Anyone championing the ideology of "human rights" and "democracy" is a Western chauvinist.

And only indoctrinated morons would consider "venerating the housewife" (i.e.venerating traditional motherhood) something horrible.

[Dr. Who]

Anyone championing the ideology of "human rights" and "democracy" is a Western chauvinist.

And only indoctrinated morons would consider "venerating the housewife" (i.e.venerating traditional motherhood) something horrible.

Even the term "housewife" is problematic. The alternative definition for that term is a pocket sewing kit. Perhaps the Proud Boys are venerating pocket sewing kits.

[Mister D]

Even the term "housewife" is problematic. The alternative definition for that term is a pocket sewing kit. Perhaps the Proud Boys are venerating pocket sewing kits.

Problematic to indoctrinated morons...

[Mister D]

I've never read anything on the Proud Boys that say they want to remove the rights of women. Just that the housewife should be venerated.
Sexual restrictions exist in every religion.

They don't find their use of violence as being offensive rather than defensive. Namely against Antifa who are known to throw rocks, bottles, bricks and explosives.

It's an enormous stretch...
It's just silly. It also demonstrates just how frivolous and irrational some self-proclaimed feminists can be.

[Dr. Who]

Problematic to indoctrinated morons...

Yes because the traditional role of women is sooo fulfilling - cooking, cleaning, having no one to talk to but children and then waiting on your man hand and foot when he gets home like something out of Leave it to Beaver, is every woman's dream life, as is asking for money to run the home and enjoying the chauvinist comments to the effect that because you don't work in the real world you don't really know anything and politics are just too taxing for a woman's brain. I was born into that traditional world and remember it very well. However, if you really want to know how women were routinely diminished and disrespected, just watch some old black and white movies and you'll get the gist. The prevailing attitudes about many things were accurately reflected in those movies.

[Mister D]

Yes because the traditional role of women is sooo fulfilling - cooking, cleaning, having no one to talk to but children and then waiting on your man hand and foot when he gets home like something out of Leave it to Beaver, is every woman's dream life, as is asking for money to run the home and enjoying the chauvinist comments to the effect that because you don't work in the real world you don't really know anything and politics are just too taxing for a woman's brain. I was born into that traditional world and remember it very well. However, if you really want to know how women were routinely diminished and disrespected, just watch some old black and white movies and you'll get the gist. The prevailing attitudes about many things were accurately reflected in those movies.

Quite a few women seem to think it 's fulfilling and it's quite telling that you would insult them. What a champion of women you are! lol Save your caricature for the sterile hags.

Islamic fundamentalism...the next time you say something that stupid just move on.

[Cthulhu]

An interesting and new "alt-right" group has emerged, created in 2016, called "The Proud Boys". They held a protest in Boulder, CO this past weekend and I decided to read up on them.

At the protest there were about 30 of them countered by about 200 protestors...many from the Antifa crowd with their black clothes and masks. Things went relatively peacefully but a few smoke bombs were thrown.

I watched the video and it seemed like the counter-protestors were calling them racists and Nazis. I did some research.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys

More reading:

http://officialproudboys.com/

Now from what I understand from reading and watching YouTube videos on these guys is that they certainly aren't Nazis. They allow homosexuals and minorities into their group. There are several members who are black, Mexican, Asian and homosexual. They are definitely hard right with their ideals about going back to a more traditional America "venerating the housewife and praising the entrepreneur" but nothing I read or saw lead me to believe they are racists.

They love Trump and they are among the biggest group that actively engages both verbally and physically with Antifa. They aren't afraid to mix it up with violence. I'm not saying that is good or bad...just is a fact.

They also have a bunch of weird traditions, codes and indoctrinations into the club.

Degree 1 Proud Boy is someone who openly admits to being a "Western Chauvinist" and believes the West is responsible for the "modern world".
Degree 2 Is a quasi beat in where 3-4 members punch an potential Proud Boy (not in the face or genitals) until he can name 5 breakfast cereals.
Degree 3 Is a tattoo in a specific font that says "Proud Boy"
Degree 4 Is street fighting or being arrested during a protest for standing up against Antifa.

Anyway thought it was interesting stuff.

Oh and by the way they can only jerk off once a month unless they are within 1 yard of a female and she consents.
Societal antibodies.

I may not agree with them on everything, but they like to stick it to the regressives.

Something this was bound to occur sooner or later. As social norms are pay to illogical bounds more of this will be found.

Sent from my evil cell phone.

[Cthulhu]

I suspect that they will be ebbing more than flowing. With those attitudes they will be avoided by the ladies like a rash. That's why I'm saying they will be watching the calendar.
You'd think so, but for whatever reason, men who behave in such fashion typically breed more.

Sent from my evil cell phone.

[Dr. Who]

Quite a few women seem to think it 's fulfilling and it's quite telling that you would insult them. What a champion of women you are! lol Save your caricature for the sterile hags.

Islamic fundamentalism...the next time you say something that stupid just move on.

I am a champion of choice. If women want to be homemakers that is their life choice. What I object to is any "movement" that wishes to restore the no choice "traditional" past and relegate women to male subjugation. You can pretend that this is not a misogynistic movement, but when it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck to anyone who can tell a duck from a chicken. Your insulting words are "water off a duck's back" and will not shut down my opinion.

[Cthulhu]

Even the term "housewife" is problematic. The alternative definition for that term is a pocket sewing kit. Perhaps the Proud Boys are venerating pocket sewing kits.
I may regret doing this, but why?

My wife is a home maker, stay at home mom, house wife, whatever...

Yep, she's been barefoot, pregnant, and on the kitchen - all at the same time. She even does house keeping and meal prep.

What is wrong with that? It is her choice and she chooses to do it. Naturally I think she is a terrific human, wife and mother.

What is wrong with women who want to do such things? Why the effort to reprogram what came naturally?

Sent from my evil cell phone.

[Mister D]

Bullshit. You just insulted a large number of women. It's quite clear what you think of a woman's choice in this matter and now you're going to complain that you're being insulted? Fucking seriously!? :laugh: Typical feminist...frivolous, irrational, self-centered and weak.

[Dr. Who]

You'd think so, but for whatever reason, men who behave in such fashion typically breed more.

Sent from my evil cell phone.

Those who do generally come from communities of people who share that ideology. They won't have much success in the general population. Desperate and dateless is the phrase that comes to mind.

[Mister D]

I may regret doing this, but why?

My wife is a home maker, stay at home mom, house wife, whatever...

Yep, she's been barefoot, pregnant, and on the kitchen - all at the same time. She even does house keeping and meal prep.

What is wrong with that? It is her choice and she chooses to do it. Naturally I think she is a terrific human, wife and mother.

What is wrong with women who want to do such things? Why the effort to reprogram what came naturally?

Sent from my evil cell phone.

As per Dr. Who, your wife compromised her dignity.

[Mister D]

Those who do generally come from communities of people who share that ideology. They won't have much success in the general population. Desperate and dateless is the phrase that comes to mind.
They seem to be outbreeding "feminist" humanity.

[Cthulhu]

Those who do generally come from communities of people who share that ideology. They won't have much success in the general population. Desperate and dateless is the phrase that comes to mind.
Strangely enough though, many women are unfaithful to their spouses with this type man.

Sent from my evil cell phone.

[Ethereal]

I still think that the pilates and yoga classes are far more popular.
Be that as it may, it's erroneous to characterize pole dancing exercises as more myth than reality.

[Dr. Who]

Bullshit. You just insulted a large number of women. It's quite clear what you think of a woman's choice in this matter and now you're going to complain that you're being insulted? Fucking seriously!? :laugh: Typical feminist...frivolous, irrational, self-centered and weak.

You are so angry. What a stream of insults. My goodness. Relax, this is just a discussion forum. No need to get upset because you are clearly out of your depth on this topic being a single middle aged guy born after the world changed for women. We are not going back to the bad old days no matter how much some insecure men who join movements would wish.

[del]

They seem to be outbreeding "feminist" humanity.

how many kids do you have?

[Dr. Who]

Strangely enough though, many women are unfaithful to their spouses with this type man.

Sent from my evil cell phone.
Many men who have many children are also unfaithful.

[Cthulhu]

You are so angry. What a stream of insults. My goodness. Relax, this is just a discussion forum. No need to get upset because you are clearly out of your depth on this topic being a single middle aged guy born after the world changed for women. We are not going back to the bad old days no matter how much some insecure men who join movements would wish.
Actually we are. Importing tons of people from this world countries has today kind of effect.

So you really think they will just abandon what they know once that cross the border?

Sent from my evil cell phone.

[Mister D]

You are so angry. What a stream of insults. My goodness. Relax, this is just a discussion forum. No need to get upset because you are clearly out of your depth on this topic being a single middle aged guy born after the world changed for women. We are not going back to the bad old days no matter how much some insecure men who join movements would wish.

I'm not angry at all, Dr. Who. Common Sense tries this routine too when he can't defend himself. It's undignified. Is it a Canadian thing? :huh: Anyway, you aren't for choice and you've shown that. You think women who find traditional motherhood fulfilling are worthy of contempt. Again, you've shown that. If that's how the world has changed for women it's not something to be particularly proud of. Secondly, no one said anything about the choices women are allowed to make, Dr. Who. Are you really this insecure?

[Cthulhu]

Many men who have many children are also unfaithful.
No doubt, but that isn't the point. The point is what women find sexually attractive.

The limp wristed emasculated male doesn't exactly stir female fluids. Makes a good provider at times, but will never make a woman happy. Such creatures may well be unknowingly raising another man's kids.

Sent from my evil cell phone.

[Dr. Who]

I may regret doing this, but why?

My wife is a home maker, stay at home mom, house wife, whatever...

Yep, she's been barefoot, pregnant, and on the kitchen - all at the same time. She even does house keeping and meal prep.

What is wrong with that? It is her choice and she chooses to do it. Naturally I think she is a terrific human, wife and mother.

What is wrong with women who want to do such things? Why the effort to reprogram what came naturally?

Sent from my evil cell phone.
I have no problem with choice. I have a problem with trying to restore a bad time for women when they had no choice. If being a homemaker is what a woman wants and it's financially possible, then go for it. However there are many women who are not happy being homemakers and want a different life where both parents share household responsibilities and the woman is not forced to give up her dreams simply because she is female.

[Mister D]

Actually we are. Importing tons of people from this world countries has today kind of effect.

So you really think they will just abandon what they know once that cross the border?

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Yeah, I've made this point before. They don't get that. There is a strong element of narcissism in contemporary feminism. The future is irrelevant. It's all about their personal liberty. Granted, that was inherited from the general liberal culture.

[Mister D]

I have no problem with choice. I have a problem with trying to restore a bad time for women when they had no choice. If being a homemaker is what a woman wants and it's financially possible, then go for it. However there are many women who are not happy being homemakers and want a different life where both parents share household responsibilities and the woman is not forced to give up her dreams simply because she is female.
No one is trying to do that, Dr. Who.

And you are not for choice.

[Cthulhu]

I have no problem with choice. I have a problem with trying to restore a bad time for women when they had no choice. If being a homemaker is what a woman wants and it's financially possible, then go for it. However there are many women who are not happy being homemakers and want a different life where both parents share household responsibilities and the woman is not forced to give up her dreams simply because she is female.
Okay. Enjoy the cats I guess. If that is what women really want - go for it.

Cats are a poor substitute for a man though.

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[Captain Obvious]

Okay. Enjoy the cats I guess. If that is what women really want - go for it.

Cats are a poor substitute for a man though.

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pussy > pussy?

[Cthulhu]

Yeah, I've made this point before. They don't get that. There is a strong element of narcissism in contemporary feminism. The future is irrelevant. It's all about their personal liberty. Granted, that was inherited from the general liberal culture.
Me me and more me...

Nope, generations of this mentally won't cause problems...

But hey, they have their cats, and withered bowels, and no children. Quite the accomplishment of an imbecile​.

Sent from my evil cell phone.

[Cthulhu]

$#@! > $#@!?
*facepalm*

Go to your room and think about what you've said.

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[Dr. Who]

No doubt, but that isn't the point. The point is what women find sexually attractive.

The limp wristed emasculated male doesn't exactly stir female fluids. Makes a good provider at times, but will never make a woman happy. Such creatures may well be unknowingly raising another man's kids.

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Limp wristed? Sorry Cthulhu but neanderthal men have never been attractive to me. I don't really care for anything authoritarian - not government nor people. I am attracted to intelligence, personal drive, a good sense of humor and self-respect. A good physique and having the ability to fix things that are broken is a bonus. I would never be with any man who is not an equal partner.

[Cthulhu]

Me me and more me...

Nope, generations of this mentally won't cause problems...

But hey, they have their cats, and withered bowels, and no children. Quite the accomplishment of an imbecile​.

Sent from my evil cell phone.
And to top this off, they naturally guarantee their adversaries numerical advantage and their ultimate status as a freak minority - they don't breed much.

It is a problem that naturally cycles itself out of existence.

Feminism is always 6 meals away from resetting. If disaster strikes... *Poof!*

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[Cthulhu]

Limp wristed? Sorry Cthulhu but neanderthal men have never been attractive to me. I don't really care for anything authoritarian - not government nor people. I am attracted to intelligence, personal drive, a good sense of humor and self-respect. A good physique and having the ability to fix things that are broken is a bonus. I would never be with any man who is not an equal partner.
They don't have to be. Your body, your choice.

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[Common]

Limp wristed? Sorry Cthulhu but neanderthal men have never been attractive to me. I don't really care for anything authoritarian - not government nor people. I am attracted to intelligence, personal drive, a good sense of humor and self-respect. A good physique and having the ability to fix things that are broken is a bonus. I would never be with any man who is not an equal partner.
Well hot damn Doc you would love me <grin>

[Dr. Who]

Actually we are. Importing tons of people from this world countries has today kind of effect.

So you really think they will just abandon what they know once that cross the border?

Sent from my evil cell phone.
It's amazing how fast the women figure out that they legally have equal rights and don't have to put up with abuse.

[Private Pickle]

Women pole dancing for exercise is more of a myth than a reality. Probably a popular theme in porn however.

Nope. But that's already been addressed.

[Private Pickle]

Huh?
It's from a movie.

[Private Pickle]

Societal antibodies.

I may not agree with them on everything, but they like to stick it to the regressives.

Something this was bound to occur sooner or later. As social norms are pay to illogical bounds more of this will be found.

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I won't be joining them but it is interesting how every action has a reaction.

[Private Pickle]

I have no problem with choice. I have a problem with trying to restore a bad time for women when they had no choice. If being a homemaker is what a woman wants and it's financially possible, then go for it. However there are many women who are not happy being homemakers and want a different life where both parents share household responsibilities and the woman is not forced to give up her dreams simply because she is female.

Again...they only venerate the housewife. They don't demand women to be housewives.

[texan]

It is becoming obvious that these people sent to disrupt in a violent manner wearing masks are looking the same everywhere. Definitely paid punks. I am sure some of the others are legit, but not these bullies. I wish I came across a couple.

[Dr. Who]

See video of interview with the founder and current head of Proud Boys at link:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/21/gavin-mcinnes-women-workplace_n_4138741.html

[Cletus]

See video of interview with the founder and current head of Proud Boys at link:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/21/gavin-mcinnes-women-workplace_n_4138741.html

Everything he said was right.

I thought it was interesting that the two guys who took the feminist side of the argument both looked like they sounded.

[Dr. Who]

Everything he said was right.

I thought it was interesting that the two guys who took the feminist side of the argument both looked like they sounded.

I personally found him to be quite rude and obnoxious and rather obsessed with the degree of aggressiveness as being the prime metric for masculinity. Very much a caveman type and not very familiar with anthropology, else he would know that societies and cultures were never consistently structured as he believes, but that human kind has embraced patriarchy, matriarchy and everything in between. Obviously, I favored the rebuttal opinions.

[Cletus]

Of course you did.

Nonetheless, he was right. Even in matriarchal societies (I am from one), the gender roles were much as he described.

He said several ties that he had no problem with women who want careers in the business world or the sports world, or whatever else they might want to do. His complaint, and it is a valid one is against those who would demean women who don't choose that path and instead choose to stay home and be the caregivers, to guide their children through childhood and into adulthood. He stated that there is nothing more noble than that.

[Mister D]

Of course you did.

Nonetheless, he was right. Even in matriarchal societies (I am from one), the gender roles were much as he described.

He said several ties that he had no problem with women who want careers in the business world or the sports world, or whatever else they might want to do. His complaint, and it is a valid one is against those who would demean women who don't choose that path and instead choose to stay home and be the caregivers, to guide their children through childhood and into adulthood. He stated that there is nothing more noble than that.

Know anyone like that, Dr. Who?

[Cthulhu]

It's amazing how fast the women figure out that they legally have equal rights and don't have to put up with abuse.
There are native born women here that already put up with abuse. Something tells me this won't magically change just because the real estate changes

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[Dr. Who]

There are native born women here that already put up with abuse. Something tells me this won't magically change just because the real estate changes

Sent from my evil cell phone.
It does for some. Unfortunately, sometimes it results in honor killings.

[Private Pickle]

It does for some. Unfortunately, sometimes it results in honor killings.
Wut?

[Dr. Who]

Wut?
Women who come from places where they have no rights, discover that they have rights in America. Sometimes when they try to exercise those rights they end up being the victims of honor killings.

[Private Pickle]

Women who come from places where they have no rights, discover that they have rights in America. Sometimes when they try to exercise those rights they end up being the victims of honor killings.
Ahh. Well at least here their killers are prosecuted.