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Cigar
11-08-2012, 09:09 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRpSAKw0V48&feature=player_embedded

Even after losing the Presidency twice in a row, they still don't get it why The Majority of America reject their idea's.

I guess, as long as they can't get it, and they don't have a majority ... who cares if they never leave the bubble?

Chris
11-08-2012, 09:22 AM
Explain, cigar, how you liberals can sustain socialism.

patlape
11-08-2012, 09:24 AM
I must of missed where the GOP said they were going to redefine rape. Typical half truths, lies and misconceptions.

truthmatters
11-08-2012, 09:39 AM
Explain, cigar, how you liberals can sustain socialism.


maybe you should understand the word before you use it

Chris
11-08-2012, 09:42 AM
maybe you should understand the word before you use it

Why don't you explain to me what socialism is. I know the economic definition of it, but I'd be interested in hearing what the liberal definition is.

Deadwood
11-08-2012, 09:46 AM
Why all the heavy drama and trigger words when dealing with conservatism? Demonizing still even in victory?

Only the left are sore winners.

truthmatters
11-08-2012, 09:54 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRpSAKw0V48&feature=player_embedded

Even after losing the Presidency twice in a row, they still don't get it why The Majority of America reject their idea's.

I guess, as long as they can't get it, and they don't have a majority ... who cares if they never leave the bubble?

They will come to this momment.

Not instantly but pretty shortly.

Fox will start telling them the truth soon.

They will have to or Die as a network.

truthmatters
11-08-2012, 09:55 AM
Why all the heavy drama and trigger words when dealing with conservatism? Demonizing still even in victory?

Only the left are sore winners.


You sound alot like a sore loser

coolwalker
11-08-2012, 10:02 AM
maybe you should understand the word before you use it

Maybe you should:

Socialism is an economic system characterized by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy, and a political philosophy advocating such a system. "Social ownership" may refer to cooperative enterprises, common ownership, state ownership, or citizen ownership of equity. There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them. They differ in the type of social ownership they advocate, the degree to which they rely on markets or planning, how management is to be organised within productive institutions, and the role of the state in constructing socialism.

A socialist economic system would consist of a system of production and distribution organized to directly satisfy economic demands and human needs, so that goods and services would be produced directly for use instead of for private profit driven by the accumulation of capital. Accounting would be based on physical quantities, a common physical magnitude, or a direct measure of labour-time in place of financial calculation. Distribution of output would be based on the principle of individual contribution.

As a political movement, socialism includes a diverse array of political philosophies, ranging from reform-ism to revolutionary socialism. Proponents of state socialism advocate the nationalization of the means of production, distribution and exchange as a strategy for implementing socialism. In contrast, libertarian socialism proposes the traditional view of direct worker's control of the means of production and opposes the use of state power to achieve such an arrangement, opposing both parliamentary politics and state ownership over the means of production. Democratic socialism seeks to establish socialism through democratic processes and propagate its ideals within the context of a democratic system.

Modern socialism originated from an 18th-century intellectual and working class political movement that criticized the effects of industrialization and private property on society. In the early 19th-century, "socialism" referred to any concern for the social problems of capitalism irrespective of the solutions to those problems. However, by the late 19th-century, "socialism" had come to signify opposition to capitalism and advocacy for an alternative system based on some form of social ownership. Orthodox Marxists later considered scientific assessment and democratic planning to be critical elements of socialism. In the late 20th century, the term "socialist" has also been used by Third way social democrats to refer to an ethical political doctrine focusing on a common set of values emphasizing social cooperation, universal welfare, and equality. It is used in this way by Third Way proponent Anthony Giddens, who rejects conventional definitions and implementations of socialism.

During the course of the 20th century, states run by Marxist-Leninist parties implemented various economic systems. The Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc established centrally planned economies, while Yugoslavia instituted a form of self-managed market socialism. Following the collapse of the Eastern bloc, China and Vietnam implemented reforms that culminated in a model called the socialist market economy, which consists of state-ownership and open-markets for both capital goods and consumer goods. It is always being revised, but in the end it ultimately fails.

truthmatters
11-08-2012, 10:06 AM
Now explain how we are anything like that?

Cigar
11-08-2012, 10:10 AM
Explain, cigar, how you liberals can sustain socialism.

Irrelevant to me and not worth a microsecond of my time.

coolwalker
11-08-2012, 10:21 AM
Now explain how we are anything like that?

I just gave you what you asked for. Any more information that you may desire can be obtained with a higher education as you do not seem to be capable of understanding plain English.

Calypso Jones
11-08-2012, 10:27 AM
Why don't you explain to me what socialism is. I know the economic definition of it, but I'd be interested in hearing what the liberal definition is.

I'd like to hear it myself. Personally i don't think they have a clue.

Calypso Jones
11-08-2012, 10:30 AM
Now explain how we are anything like that?

please. You explain how you do not fit the description.

Chris
11-08-2012, 10:39 AM
Now explain how we are anything like that?

Here's why. While that definition is historically accurate, it is not up to date. In more recent times socialists given up on ownership of the means of production, etc, and turned instead to the management of capitalism, iow, social democracy. The goal of egalitarianism have not changed, but the means have.

BTW, the economic definition of socialism is simple: central planning. This fits both the older means of socialism and the new.

Now, TM, explain to us how you liberals are not socialists.

Cigar
11-08-2012, 10:41 AM
http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=I.4953141719007295&pid=1.7&w=193&h=116&c=7&rs=1

R.I.P

GrassrootsConservative
11-08-2012, 10:43 AM
http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=I.4953141719007295&pid=1.7&w=193&h=116&c=7&rs=1

R.I.P

That's got to be the most badly portrayed turtle I've ever seen.

Chris
11-08-2012, 10:48 AM
Irrelevant to me and not worth a microsecond of my time.

IOW, no thought whatsoever to what you advocate, only interest is in trolling.

coolwalker
11-08-2012, 10:49 AM
http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=I.4953141719007295&pid=1.7&w=193&h=116&c=7&rs=1

R.I.P

Why is your response to just about everything a cartoon of some kind?

patlape
11-08-2012, 10:52 AM
Now explain how we are anything like that?
Well lets see.
Tax the hell out of the rich. Take that money and redistribute it amongst the free loaders. Nope that's not socialism at all.

All sarcasm aside Obama is a socialist. Look at his mentors from young adult to college graduate. They have been socialist. Now to breakdown my sarcasm into something constructive. I need you lefties to correct me if I am wrong here, Obama wants/has a healthcare system that is run by the government. So we have government healthcare how is it going to be funded? Through tax dollars, who does Obama want to tax, the wealthy. Why are we taxing the wealthy, because they have more money. In order for the 80 percent to have healthcare we are taxing the 20 percent to pay for it. In simple terms we are redistributing the wealth. Redistribution of wealth is the very idea of socialism.

I will end with this. I lived in Europe for five years do you know how the pay for free medicine, unemployment and the like with 50-60% income tax. But wait there's more. After you take home 50 % of your earnings you pay a 20% sales tax on everything. Yup even food. Up to 80% of your income is taken to pay for those government run programs. That's insane! Do you know what their government structure is set up as? Socialist. Now let me ask one more question and I will get off the soap box. How did socialism work for Greece and Spain?

patlape
11-08-2012, 10:54 AM
As to why some people only answer questions with cartoons...my guess a simple and/or lazy mind.

Chris
11-08-2012, 11:08 AM
Tax the hell out of the rich. Take that money and redistribute it amongst the free loaders. Nope that's not socialism at all.

Liberals will probably miss the sarcasm, but this is generally true of what liberals advocate, central planning in order to redistribute wealth.

Liberals will argue with emotionalism that this is fair, I've yet to see one present a rational argument how it's fair, or even define what fair means.


What we have here in the denials of liberals like TM and cigar is a disdain for words like liberal, progressive, socialism, words they sullied and want to avoid. They sullied socialists, changed to progressives, sullied that, hijacked liberalism, and sullied that.

patrickt
11-08-2012, 11:09 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRpSAKw0V48&feature=player_embedded

Even after losing the Presidency twice in a row, they still don't get it why The Majority of America reject their idea's.

I guess, as long as they can't get it, and they don't have a majority ... who cares if they never leave the bubble?


Gee, after losing twice in a row to President Bush, the socialists just didn't get it. I know it will be a shock to the far-left, like Cigar, but the right takes advice from MSNBC and Rachel Maddow--and krewe--about as often as the left takes advice from Fox or Rush Limbaugh.

What happens when the left's base which is accustomed to handouts find that they aren't coming any long? If the Chinese quit loaning money to the liberals then the handouts fall off and anger for the lost expectations and, dare we say, entitlements will be impressive.

patlape
11-08-2012, 11:50 AM
Gee, after losing twice in a row to President Bush, the socialists just didn't get it. I know it will be a shock to the far-left, like Cigar, but the right takes advice from MSNBC and Rachel Maddow--and krewe--about as often as the left takes advice from Fox or Rush Limbaugh.

What happens when the left's base which is accustomed to handouts find that they aren't coming any long? If the Chinese quit loaning money to the liberals then the handouts fall off and anger for the lost expectations and, dare we say, entitlements will be impressive.

Give a man a fish and they return to the source, teach a man to fish and empower him with self sufficiency.

Cigar
11-08-2012, 12:01 PM
As to why some people only answer questions with cartoons...my guess a simple and/or lazy mind.

http://www.creators.com/editorial_cartoons/14/24725_thumb.gif

Chris
11-08-2012, 12:15 PM
http://www.creators.com/editorial_cartoons/14/24725_thumb.gif

Is he so incompetent he can't remember. Implementing socialism.

patrickt
11-08-2012, 12:39 PM
http://www.creators.com/editorial_cartoons/14/24725_thumb.gif

Proving the point of a simple and lazy mind. President Obama needs reminding, too, that he was on the path to communism, albeit with a few "bumps in the road" and moving to get his "revenge".