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Crepitus
06-15-2017, 08:28 AM
Trump Decries ‘Witch Hunt’ After Report That Mueller Is Investigating Him (http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-hits-back-after-report-says-mueller-investigating-him-n772706)


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They made up a phony collusion with the Russians story, found zero proof, so now they go for obstruction of justice on the phony story. Nice
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Peter1469
06-15-2017, 08:29 AM
The evidence suggests that he is correct.

Muller is abusing his position.

DGUtley
06-15-2017, 08:32 AM
Mueller hasn't done anything yet and we learned from the 'he's the target of the Russian investigation' allegations not to believe everything the MSM tells us or the deep state leaks.

Memo to Donald: STAY OFF THE TWITTER......

del
06-15-2017, 08:33 AM
*deep state*

Bo-4
06-15-2017, 08:54 AM
Rule of Holes ignored yet again! :cool2:

https://images.wordseye.com/ws-image-db/2017-2-20/67246.jpg

Chris
06-15-2017, 08:59 AM
*deep state*

Synonymous with the administrative state, the entire bureaucracy.

Crepitus
06-15-2017, 09:09 AM
Synonymous with the administrative state, the entire bureaucracy.

Not the way he's using it it isn't.

Chris
06-15-2017, 09:14 AM
Not the way he's using it it isn't.


Mueller is part of the deep state.

Crepitus
06-15-2017, 09:22 AM
Mueller is part of the deep state.

Ah, so not the way you are using it either.

ripmeister
06-15-2017, 09:38 AM
The evidence suggests that he is correct.

Muller is abusing his position.

How so? I haven't heard one word from or about Mueller with respect to his investigation at this point. Do you have some inside information?

ripmeister
06-15-2017, 09:39 AM
Mueller hasn't done anything yet and we learned from the 'he's the target of the Russian investigation' allegations not to believe everything the MSM tells us or the deep state leaks.
Good advice. Let Mueller do his investigation and let the chips fall where they may.
Memo to Donald: STAY OFF THE TWITTER......

Good advice. Let Mueller do his investigation and let the chips fall where they may.

gamewell45
06-15-2017, 09:53 AM
Memo to Donald: STAY OFF THE TWITTER......

Highly unlikely he'll do that. The MSM knows exactly what buttons to push to get him to react and tweet.

Adelaide
06-15-2017, 10:07 AM
It annoys me that he always says something is "So good" or "So bad" - does he not know synonyms for those words?

gamewell45
06-15-2017, 10:09 AM
It annoys me that he always says something is "So good" or "So bad" - does he not know synonyms for those words?

IMO, he has the vocabulary level of a 6th grader. Constantly repeats various words and phrases in the same paragraph; sometimes it sounds like he's unsure of himself.

Bo-4
06-15-2017, 10:10 AM
It annoys me that he always says something is "So good" or "So bad" - does he not know synonyms for those words?

Synonyms?

Bah - he's never read anything longer than a single page .. double spaced .. size 24 font.

So Sad! :wink:

Chris
06-15-2017, 10:11 AM
It annoys me that he always says something is "So good" or "So bad" - does he not know synonyms for those words?

Lowest common denominator. He's a used car salesman.

Bo-4
06-15-2017, 10:13 AM
IMO, he has the vocabulary level of a 6th grader. Constantly repeats various words and phrases in the same paragraph; sometimes it sounds like he's unsure of himself.

Actually .. a THIRD grader. You give him too much credit

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/donald-trump-talks-like-a-third-grader-121340

Bo-4
06-15-2017, 10:14 AM
Lowest common denominator. He's a used car salesman.

A good friend of mine sells used cars .. you give Trump too much credit ;-)

Beevee
06-15-2017, 10:18 AM
Has Mueller actually opened his mouth in public yet? If so, I missed it. What did he say?

Adelaide
06-15-2017, 10:29 AM
IMO, he has the vocabulary level of a 6th grader. Constantly repeats various words and phrases in the same paragraph; sometimes it sounds like he's unsure of himself.
Right. It's hard to explain exactly what I mean because it goes beyond the "So Good/Bad" nonsense. I have always attempted to watch announcements and speeches by US Presidents, but I actively avoid Trump because I can't stand the way that he talks. It has nothing to do with the content of his speeches, it's the way he uses limited vocabulary and is constantly repeating himself. Like nails on a chalkboard... I have done a lot of public speaking for groups of up to 2000+, and maybe that's why I find it so incredibly annoying. There is a difference between being clear and articulate and sounding the way Trump does.

Adelaide
06-15-2017, 10:31 AM
Lowest common denominator. He's a used car salesman.
It seems like a disconnect between how he should be able to speak, though. He's had formal post-secondary education at a fairly prestigious school. Assuming "daddy" didn't pay for him to pass through that school, he would and should have picked up the skills necessary to not sound like he fell off the turnip truck.

Adelaide
06-15-2017, 10:35 AM
Has Mueller actually opened his mouth in public yet? If so, I missed it. What did he say?

Right - WaPo posts an article, it becomes breaking news, but it cites secondary sources. There is no confirmation, just more leaks from inside. There is plenty of reason to not put much faith in the legitimacy of the information.

resister
06-15-2017, 10:37 AM
IMO, he has the vocabulary level of a 6th grader. Constantly repeats various words and phrases in the same paragraph; sometimes it sounds like he's unsure of himself.Don't forget, like all President, he is being fed the answers through an ear piece. Obama was not really a stutterer, he was simply buying time until the answers were piped in.

Bo-4
06-15-2017, 10:42 AM
Right - WaPo posts an article, it becomes breaking news, but it cites secondary sources. There is no confirmation, just more leaks from inside. There is plenty of reason to not put much faith in the legitimacy of the information.

Nonsense - Devlin Barrett at WaPo and his crack team who broke this cite FIVE separate sources and their previous reporting has been impeccable.

By Devlin Barrett (https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/devlin-barrett), Adam Entous (https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/adam-entous/), Ellen Nakashima (https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/ellen-nakashima/) and Sari Horwitz (https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/sari-horwitz/)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/special-counsel-is-investigating-trump-for-possible-obstruction-of-justice/2017/06/14/9ce02506-5131-11e7-b064-828ba60fbb98_story.html?utm_term=.5e64e8509b1c

Peter1469
06-15-2017, 10:44 AM
How so? I haven't heard one word from or about Mueller with respect to his investigation at this point. Do you have some inside information?

Comey testified that he didn't feel Trump obstructed justice. That would be the star witness on that point. Other intelligence officials testified that they were not asked to block Comey.

He has no basis to expand his investigation.

ripmeister
06-15-2017, 10:46 AM
Comey testified that he didn't feel Trump obstructed justice. That would be the star witness on that point. Other intelligence officials testified that they were not asked to block Comey.

He has no basis to expand his investigation.

My question was about Mueller as that was the contention. Maybe I missed something but as far as I know Mueller has been mute on the situation.

Peter1469
06-15-2017, 10:47 AM
It seems like a disconnect between how he should be able to speak, though. He's had formal post-secondary education at a fairly prestigious school. Assuming "daddy" didn't pay for him to pass through that school, he would and should have picked up the skills necessary to not sound like he fell off the turnip truck.
Trump uses Twitter to speak to the common man. Not to politicians and journalists.

Peter1469
06-15-2017, 10:48 AM
My question was about Mueller as that was the contention. Maybe I missed something but as far as I know Mueller has been mute on the situation.

I said he does't have a basis to expand into obstruction based on testimony by several people to Congress.

He is reaching.

ripmeister
06-15-2017, 10:59 AM
I said he does't have a basis to expand into obstruction based on testimony by several people to Congress.

He is reaching.
Perhaps I misunderstood you. In post # 2 you said "Muller is abusing his position" and I asked how. Reaching and Abusing are very different things.

gamewell45
06-15-2017, 11:17 AM
Don't forget, like all President, he is being fed the answers through an ear piece. Obama was not really a stutterer, he was simply buying time until the answers were piped in.

Perhaps, but I always thought that Clinton was a great orator when it came to public speaking; Obama may have depended on a teleprompter, tho' I'm not 100% sure. As for Dubya, well, that's another story lol.

Peter1469
06-15-2017, 11:34 AM
Perhaps I misunderstood you. In post # 2 you said "Muller is abusing his position" and I asked how. Reaching and Abusing are very different things.

Abuse is good enough. A prosecutor who investigates without probable cause can lose his license and if he does it enough over time before being caught, jailed.

ripmeister
06-15-2017, 11:39 AM
Abuse is good enough. A prosecutor who investigates without probably cause can lose his license and if he does it enough over time before being caught, jailed.
Fortunately Mueller's reputation would be antithetical to that.

Tahuyaman
06-15-2017, 11:44 AM
Trump's predictable reaction
and his predictable actions drive these left wingers crazy.

Peter1469
06-15-2017, 12:02 PM
Fortunately Mueller's reputation would be antithetical to that.

So was Comey's a year ago.

exotix
06-15-2017, 12:06 PM
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decedent
06-15-2017, 12:07 PM
Leaked White House talking points:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCU21etXUAAtfaH.jpg


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCU22pvXgAE0I71.jpg

decedent
06-15-2017, 12:10 PM
Right - WaPo posts an article, it becomes breaking news, but it cites secondary sources. There is no confirmation, just more leaks from inside. There is plenty of reason to not put much faith in the legitimacy of the information.

Considering that Trump publicly confessed to firing Comey to take pressure off himself seems like enough cause, aside from the other related stuff. If Mueller isn't investigating Trump for obstruction, he should get on it.

gamewell45
06-15-2017, 12:16 PM
Trump's predictable reaction


and his predictable actions drive these left wingers crazy.

I don't think it drives them crazy, I think he's just handing them the ammo to put into the rifle to fire back at him.

Peter1469
06-15-2017, 01:23 PM
Considering that Trump publicly confessed to firing Comey to take pressure off himself seems like enough cause, aside from the other related stuff. If Mueller isn't investigating Trump for obstruction, he should get on it.


That is what is called a lie. That isn't what he said. He said it did ease pressure; he didn't say that is why he fired C. For why I think he mentioned the word crazy or something similar.

ripmeister
06-15-2017, 01:32 PM
So was Comey's a year ago.
Still is in the eyes of a lot of people. I'd sure as hell trust Comey before I'd trust Trump.

Peter1469
06-15-2017, 01:46 PM
Still is in the eyes of a lot of people. I'd sure as hell trust Comey before I'd trust Trump.

The eyes of who? Dems called for his removal last year. Then the GOP did.

ripmeister
06-15-2017, 01:51 PM
The eyes of who? Dems called for his removal last year. Then the GOP did.
Some D's, some R's, but not all.

decedent
06-15-2017, 02:22 PM
That is what is called a lie. That isn't what he said. He said it did ease pressure; he didn't say that is why he fired C. For why I think he mentioned the word crazy or something similar.

You sure are good at twisting the truth.

Hoosier8
06-15-2017, 04:31 PM
The moral of the story is, if you are Trump, you will be hunted by the witches for something they still have not found.

If you are a Clinton, you will be called a hero. Russia? No problem.

From Clinton Cash:

Bill and Hillary Clinton received large sums of money directly and indirectly from Russian officials while Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State. Bill Clinton was paid a cool $500,000 (well above his normal fee) for a speech in Moscow in 2010. Who footed the bill? An investment firm in Moscow called Renaissance Capital, which boasts deep ties to Russian intelligence. The Clinton Foundation itself took money from Russian officials and Putin-connected oligarchs.
They also took donations from:
Viktor Vekselberg, a Putin confidant who gave through his company, Renova Group
Andrey Vavilov, a former Russian government official who was Chairman of SuperOx, a research company that was part of the “nuclear Cluster” at the Russian government’s Skolkovo research facility;
Elena Baturina, the wife of the former Mayor of Moscow, who apparently gave them money through JSC Inteco, an entity that she controls;
Then there is the glaring fact that the Clinton Foundation also scored $145 million in donations from nine shareholders in a Canadian uranium company called Uranium One that was sold to the Russian government in 2010.

Dr. Who
06-15-2017, 07:15 PM
It seems like a disconnect between how he should be able to speak, though. He's had formal post-secondary education at a fairly prestigious school. Assuming "daddy" didn't pay for him to pass through that school, he would and should have picked up the skills necessary to not sound like he fell off the turnip truck.

Perhaps he liked reading then about as much as he loves it now. I suspect a large donation to the school.

del
06-15-2017, 07:29 PM
Comey testified that he didn't feel Trump obstructed justice. That would be the star witness on that point. Other intelligence officials testified that they were not asked to block Comey.

He has no basis to expand his investigation.

he testified nothing of the kind.

words have meanings, petey.


Early in the hearing, the intelligence panel's chairman, Sen. Richard Burr, R-N.C., asked Comey whether he thought Trump meant to obstruct justice by asking him to drop the Flynn case, or merely give the general a way “to save face.”

“I don't think it's for me to say whether the conversation I had with the president was an effort to obstruct,” Comey replied. “I took it as a very disturbing thing, very concerning, but that's a conclusion I'm sure the special counsel will work towards to try and understand what the intention was there, and whether that's an offense.” https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/06/08/fbi-chief-james-comey-obstruction-case-president-donald-trump/102641614/

del
06-15-2017, 07:35 PM
That is what is called a lie. That isn't what he said. He said it did ease pressure; he didn't say that is why he fired C. For why I think he mentioned the word crazy or something similar.
you're flailing now.

Beevee
06-15-2017, 08:04 PM
You sure are good at twisting the truth.

Isn't that what purported lawyers do? They are especially trained for it, aren't they? So when one doesn't do it, he's immediately suspect to the most heinous of crimes.

del
06-15-2017, 08:06 PM
Synonymous with the administrative state, the entire bureaucracy.
synonymous with horseshit

Peter1469
06-15-2017, 08:24 PM
That was one part of his testimony. One of the Congress Critters got him to say the word no to the question of obstruction.
If Comey is going to be a star witness in a criminal trial, his is already impeached.
lol


he testified nothing of the kind.

words have meanings, petey.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/06/08/fbi-chief-james-comey-obstruction-case-president-donald-trump/102641614/

Peter1469
06-15-2017, 08:25 PM
you're flailing now.


No

Bo-4
06-15-2017, 08:31 PM
you're flailing now.

Pete flails a lot .. but he's an awesome flailure!

:D

Peter1469
06-15-2017, 08:37 PM
Pete flails a lot .. but he's an awesome flailure!

:D

I have never failed in my professions.

del
06-15-2017, 08:57 PM
That was one part of his testimony. One of the Congress Critters got him to say the word no to the question of obstruction.
If Comey is going to be a star witness in a criminal trial, his is already impeached.
lol

prove it.

Peter1469
06-15-2017, 09:05 PM
prove it.
Done already the day of the Comey Pony show.

del
06-15-2017, 09:07 PM
Done already the day of the Comey Pony show.

every time you lie, the baby jesus kills one of your brother clowns.

Peter1469
06-15-2017, 09:11 PM
every time you lie, the baby jesus kills one of your brother clowns.

lol

play games with children.

del
06-15-2017, 09:14 PM
lol

play games with children.
i am, child, i am.

spunkloaf
06-15-2017, 09:18 PM
Done already the day of the Comey Pony show.
I don't get it. He was the right wing's hero when he shit talked Hillary about "She was very irresponsible," but now that he does his job with the president...he's a pony show?
Why the double standard?
What are your standards, exactly? Anything that hurts the president hurts you, or what?

Peter1469
06-15-2017, 09:22 PM
I don't get it. He was the right wing's hero when he shit talked Hillary about "She was very irresponsible," but now that he does his job with the president...he's a pony show?
Why the double standard?
What are your standards, exactly? Anything that hurts the president hurts you, or what?
Ask people who held Comey as a hero. I can't help with that.

Also I did not vote for Trump and will not in 2020.

Bo-4
06-15-2017, 09:42 PM
I have never failed in my professions.

I don't doubt you didn't!

Flailing may be another matter ;-)

spunkloaf
06-15-2017, 09:44 PM
Ask people who held Comey as a hero. I can't help with that.

Also I did not vote for Trump and will not in 2020.

Well I was confused because you appeared to be defending him against the soft coup.

decedent
06-15-2017, 11:24 PM
lol

play games with children.


i am, child, i am.

The burn.

Peter1469
06-16-2017, 04:50 AM
Well I was confused because you appeared to be defending him against the soft coup.

I am defending the Constitution, not Trump.