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DGUtley
06-20-2017, 03:21 AM
Judicial Watch: Susan Rice ‘Unmasking’ Documents Moved from NSC to Obama Library -- and sealed for 5 years. In the NSC unmasking records response, The NSC’s Director of Access Management John Powers said in the letter:

Documents from the Obama administration have been transferred to the Barack Obama Presidential Library. You may send your request to the Obama Library. However, you should be aware that under the Presidential Records Act, Presidential records remain closed to the public for five years after an administration has left office.

Wow!!! That evil genius.



http://www.judicialwatch.org/document-archive/nsc-unmasking-records-response/

Common
06-20-2017, 03:45 AM
That was the entire 8 yrs of the obama administration sneaky sleezy dirty crap, thats being uncovered.

stjames1_53
06-20-2017, 05:44 AM
what a piece of work Obama is..........still a criminal

hanger4
06-20-2017, 05:51 AM
Judicial Watch: Susan Rice ‘Unmasking’ Documents Moved from NSC to Obama Library -- and sealed for 5 years. In the NSC unmasking records response, The NSC’s Director of Access Management John Powers said in the letter:

Documents from the Obama administration have been transferred to the Barack Obama Presidential Library. You may send your request to the Obama Library. However, you should be aware that under the Presidential Records Act, Presidential records remain closed to the public for five years after an administration has left office.

Wow!!! That evil genius.



http://www.judicialwatch.org/document-archive/nsc-unmasking-records-response/

I'm not clear as what those "unmasking records" would be DGUtley When she requested, who, what ??

DGUtley
06-20-2017, 05:53 AM
I am not sure either but I think they would be public records. This looks nefarious to me.

stjames1_53
06-20-2017, 06:23 AM
to build a library to hide proof of corruption...........now why didn't I think of that...........

del
06-20-2017, 08:11 AM
Judicial Watch: Susan Rice ‘Unmasking’ Documents Moved from NSC to Obama Library -- and sealed for 5 years. In the NSC unmasking records response, The NSC’s Director of Access Management John Powers said in the letter:

Documents from the Obama administration have been transferred to the Barack Obama Presidential Library. You may send your request to the Obama Library. However, you should be aware that under the Presidential Records Act, Presidential records remain closed to the public for five years after an administration has left office.

Wow!!! That evil genius.



http://www.judicialwatch.org/document-archive/nsc-unmasking-records-response/

the library has nothing to do with it, and the records are still accessible to congress and the courts.

evil genius? lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Records_Act

Tahuyaman
06-20-2017, 02:50 PM
Judicial Watch: Susan Rice ‘Unmasking’ Documents Moved from NSC to Obama Library -- and sealed for 5 years. In the NSC unmasking records response, The NSC’s Director of Access Management John Powers said in the letter:

Documents from the Obama administration have been transferred to the Barack Obama Presidential Library. You may send your request to the Obama Library. However, you should be aware that under the Presidential Records Act, Presidential records remain closed to the public for five years after an administration has left office.

Wow!!! That evil genius.



http://www.judicialwatch.org/document-archive/nsc-unmasking-records-response/

They must be hiding Something, right? There's a reason they lock up documents pertaining to an active investigation.

Peter1469
06-20-2017, 04:07 PM
The documents were likely classified when made.

Tahuyaman
06-20-2017, 04:14 PM
The documents were likely classified when made.

That's part of the reason it is a crime to unmask people.

del
06-20-2017, 04:15 PM
all presidential documents are not subject to foia requests for five years after leaving office.

the crafty obama had the law passed in 1978 so he could take advantage of the poor innocent trumplings

such evil

sad

Tahuyaman
06-20-2017, 04:19 PM
all presidential documents are not subject to foia requests for five years after leaving office.

the crafty obama had the law passed in 1978 so he could take advantage of the poor innocent trumplings

such evil

sad. Are really trying to claim that every government document created during an administration's tenure is considered secret until five years after that administration leaves office? That's nonsense.

del
06-20-2017, 04:28 PM
. Are really trying to claim that every government document created during an administration's tenure is considered secret until five years after that administration leaves office? That's nonsense.
no, that's the law.

if you knew what you were talking about, you perhaps wouldn't look like an ignorant asshat.

possibly



Specifically, the Presidential Records Act:


Defines and states public ownership of the records.
Places the responsibility for the custody and management of incumbent Presidential records with the President.
Allows the incumbent President to dispose of records that no longer have administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value, once he has obtained the views of the Archivist of the United States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archivist_of_the_United_States) on the proposed disposal.
Requires that the President and his staff take all practical steps to file personal records separately from Presidential records.
Establishes a process for restriction and public access to these records. Specifically, the PRA allows for public access to Presidential records through the Freedom of Information Act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Information_Act_%28United_States%29) (FOIA) beginning five years after the end of the Administration, but allows the President to invoke as many as six specific restrictions to public access for up to twelve years. The PRA also establishes procedures for Congress, courts, and subsequent administrations to obtain special access to records that remain closed to the public, following a 30‑day notice period to the former and current Presidents.
Requires that Vice-Presidential records are to be treated in the same way as Presidential records.



Executive Order 12667 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_12667) - Issued by President Reagan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan) in January 1989, this executive order (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order_%28United_States%29) established the procedures for NARA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Archives_and_Records_Administration) and former and incumbent Presidents to implement the PRA.
Executive Order 13233 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13233) - This executive order, issued by President George W. Bush (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush) on November 1, 2001, supersedes the previous executive order. The Bush executive order also includes the documents of former Vice Presidents.
Executive Order 13489 (https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13489) - Issued by President Barack Obama (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama) on January 21, 2009, restored the implementation of the PRA of 1978 as practiced under President Reagan's Executive Order 12667 (https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_12667) and revoked President Bush's Executive Order 13233 (https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13233).



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Records_Act

jimmyz
06-20-2017, 04:36 PM
I really look forward to moving on past the "Obama did it and is a criminal" stuff. We need to work on today's issues as best we can.

Safety
06-20-2017, 04:57 PM
the library has nothing to do with it, and the records are still accessible to congress and the courts.

evil genius? lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Records_Act

Well...that sure broke up that circle jerk....

Tahuyaman
06-20-2017, 04:58 PM
no, that's the law.

if you knew what you were talking about, you perhaps wouldn't look like an ignorant asshat.

possibly



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Records_Act


There is no law which states all government documents are to be shielded from FOIA requests for five years after an administration's term ends.

Safety
06-20-2017, 04:59 PM
all presidential documents are not subject to foia requests for five years after leaving office.

the crafty obama had the law passed in 1978 so he could take advantage of the poor innocent trumplings

such evil

sad

Just like he told his mom to make sure she birthed him in Hawaii with a long form, so that the Tea Party, Trump, and the birthers can have something to bitch about four decades later.

resister
06-20-2017, 05:01 PM
There is no law which states all government documents are to be shielded from FOIA requests for five years after an administration's term ends.
Well he posted a really long link, it must surely ​ be in there somewhere! lol

Tahuyaman
06-20-2017, 05:08 PM
Well he posted a really long link, it must surely ​ be in there somewhere! lol

They can try to spin anything in any way they want.

stjames1_53
06-20-2017, 05:10 PM
JW might be able to get their hands on those records. They've pretty much gotten everything else they've gone after

del
06-20-2017, 05:25 PM
There is no law which states all government documents are to be shielded from FOIA requests for five years after an administration's term ends.
unfortunately for you, sweetcheeks, there is.

all presidential records are exempt for five years.

go stomp your feet about it or write your congressman

it's still the law

del
06-20-2017, 05:28 PM
JW might be able to get their hands on those records. They've pretty much gotten everything else they've gone after
i'm sure we can all look forward to that day in 2021, unless of course obama chooses to use one of his 12 year exemptions under the law, then it will be 2028.

DGUtley
06-20-2017, 05:28 PM
no, that's the law.

if you knew what you were talking about, you perhaps wouldn't look like an ignorant asshat.

possibly



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Records_Act

I am not sure that those records would be considered presidential records or presidential papers to justify them being sent to the library. I have long contended that Obama is an evil genius and I truly believe that. I saw too much during his administration to believe otherwise. Do you have any support for your position that her request to the NSA or the NSC would constitute a presidential record under public records law?

del
06-20-2017, 05:32 PM
I am not sure that those records would be considered presidential records or presidential papers to justify them being sent to the library. I have long contended that Obama is an evil genius and I truly believe that. I saw too much during his administration to believe otherwise. Do you have any support for your position that her request to the NSA or the NSC would constitute a presidential record under public records law?

you also truly believe that trump is the savior of the republic, so you'll forgive me if your characterization of obama is ignored.

i have no idea and less interest in what the criteria are for presidential records to be considered presidential.

i would assume, perhaps incorrectly, that the signatory to the letter that judicial watch received is the person in charge of making that determination.

Tahuyaman
06-20-2017, 05:37 PM
unfortunately for you, sweetcheeks, there is.

all presidential records are exempt for five years.

go stomp your feet about it or write your congressman

it's still the law
"
Ate all government produced documents during an administration considered " presidential records"?

The short answer to that......No.

del
06-20-2017, 05:39 PM
"
Ate all government produced documents during an administration considered " presidential records"?

The short answer to that......No.

what a genius deduction on your part.

if someone had been arguing otherwise, you really would have put them in their place.

decedent
06-20-2017, 05:42 PM
That was the entire 8 yrs of the obama administration sneaky sleezy dirty crap, thats being uncovered.

What sneaky, sleazy, dirty crap?

Tahuyaman
06-20-2017, 05:45 PM
what a genius deduction on your part.

if someone had been arguing otherwise, you really would have put them in their place.

have you ever made a comment which proved that you are an informed person?

del
06-20-2017, 05:46 PM
have you ever made a comment which proved that you are an informed person?

have you ever counted to 21 with your shoes and pants on?

Tahuyaman
06-20-2017, 05:48 PM
What sneaky, sleazy, dirty crap?
Using the NSA to eaves drop on average Americans. Using the IRS to punish organizations which opposed his policy ideas. Providing assault weapons to Mexican drug cartels. Do you need more.

Tahuyaman
06-20-2017, 05:52 PM
have you ever counted to 21 with your shoes and pants on?

Do you have penis envy?

hanger4
06-20-2017, 06:05 PM
unfortunately for you, sweetcheeks, there is.

all presidential records are exempt for five years.

go stomp your feet about it or write your congressman

it's still the law

They're exempt from public FOIA requests. Wikipedia explains further;

"The PRA also establishes procedures for Congress, courts, and subsequent administrations to obtain special access to records that remain closed to the public, following a 30‑day notice period to the former and current Presidents."

del
06-20-2017, 06:11 PM
the library has nothing to do with it, and the records are still accessible to congress and the courts.

evil genius? lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Records_Act


They're exempt from public FOIA requests. Wikipedia explains further;

"The PRA also establishes procedures for Congress, courts, and subsequent administrations to obtain special access to records that remain closed to the public, following a 30‑day notice period to the former and current Presidents."

do tell

hanger4
06-20-2017, 06:17 PM
do tell

I just did, sometimes the hard headed need reminding.

DGUtley
06-20-2017, 07:04 PM
you also truly believe that trump is the savior of the republic, so you'll forgive me if your characterization of obama is ignored.

No, not letting Hillary appoint the Court's next justices and/or Trump appointing people from his list is what will save the Republic. I think it is worth saving.

DGUtley
06-20-2017, 07:09 PM
Using the NSA to eaves drop on average Americans. Using the IRS to punish organizations which opposed his policy ideas. Providing assault weapons to Mexican drug cartels. Do you need more.

like / keep your doctor / health plan
The mullah's will stop their nuke activities
interference in Israel election
interference in Ukraine election
dollar military / dollars entitlements
lied to the Catholic Bishops when he promised no BC mandate in exchange for support
Chelsea Manning
the Central American terrorist he let out
recess appointment violation of USC
SPYING ON US ALL



I could go on

Crepitus
06-20-2017, 07:16 PM
Well he posted a really long link, it must surely ​ be in there somewhere! lol

Right, because the longer the link is, the more veracity it has.

del
06-20-2017, 07:24 PM
No, not letting Hillary appoint the Court's next justices and/or Trump appointing people from his list is what will save the Republic. I think it is worth saving.

distinctions without a difference- the attorney's stock in trade.

thanks again

DGUtley
06-21-2017, 08:00 AM
Well...that sure broke up that circle jerk....



Notice - Safety TB'd for bad faith posting.

Adelaide
06-21-2017, 11:20 AM
have you ever counted to 21 with your shoes and pants on?

Do you have penis envy?

Tahuyaman and del have been thread banned.

stjames1_53
06-21-2017, 11:24 AM
like / keep your doctor / health plan
The mullah's will stop their nuke activities
interference in Israel election
interference in Ukraine election
dollar military / dollars entitlements
lied to the Catholic Bishops when he promised no BC mandate in exchange for support
Chelsea Manning
the Central American terrorist he let out
recess appointment violation of USC
SPYING ON US ALL



I could go on

..........spying on our allies............

resister
06-21-2017, 11:25 AM
Right, because the longer the link is, the more veracity it has.
Only when it contains a listing of laws pertaining to the subject, which you would know if you had bothered to read it.

stjames1_53
06-21-2017, 11:32 AM
He has plenty to hide.........can we remember Fast and Furious?

resister
06-21-2017, 11:35 AM
He has plenty to hide.........can we remember Fast and Furious?
Funny how that just went away, the media sure did hush that up.

jet57
06-21-2017, 12:47 PM
Judicial Watch: Susan Rice ‘Unmasking’ Documents Moved from NSC to Obama Library -- and sealed for 5 years. In the NSC unmasking records response, The NSC’s Director of Access Management John Powers said in the letter:

Documents from the Obama administration have been transferred to the Barack Obama Presidential Library. You may send your request to the Obama Library. However, you should be aware that under the Presidential Records Act, Presidential records remain closed to the public for five years after an administration has left office.

Wow!!! That evil genius.



http://www.judicialwatch.org/document-archive/nsc-unmasking-records-response/
I don't see the riff. It's standard for presidential documents to remain closed of five years, so what's the problem?

https://books.google.com/books?id=tqySAgAAQBAJ&pg=PT1244&lpg=PT1244&dq=presidential+documents+remain+closed+of+five+ye ars+after+a+president+leaves+office&source=bl&ots=-IMm9DkODg&sig=ChHvE2rY-35g0oMU_i-rVK9Ap7A&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj486q9v8_UAhUD9mMKHeRMA5QQ6AEIPTAE#v=on epage&q=presidential%20documents%20remain%20closed%20of% 20five%20years%20after%20a%20president%20leaves%20 office&f=false

jimmyz
06-21-2017, 01:06 PM
Funny how that just went away, the media sure did hush that up.

The last thing I heard on it was that the killed Border Patrol agent's family was suing the the Feds.Maybe a large sum of money settlement shut everybody up.