Elon Musk: We'll create a city on Mars with a million inhabitants

[Peter1469]

Elon Musk: We'll create a city on Mars with a million inhabitants (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/06/21/elon-musk-create-city-mars-million-inhabitants/)

While governments dither, private enterprise leads.


A city on Mars with a million inhabitants could be achievable within 50 years, the space entrepreneur Elon Musk (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/0/elon-musk-tech-billionaire-spacex-cowboy-real-life-iron-man/) has forecast, as he laid out plans to turn mankind into a multi-planetary species.

The SpaceX (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/31/spacex-makes-history-successfully-launching-first-recycled-rocket/)founder warned that humans would need to venture away from Earth to avoid a ‘Doomsday event’ and our ‘eventual extinction.’


But he said that a huge Martian city could be established this century, which would not just be an outpost, but a fully functioning society with ‘iron foundries and pizza joints.’


Musk is already planning the first manned flight to Mars in 2023 and has said he wants to die on Mars, although he has stipulated ‘not on impact.’

[Dr. Who]

Elon Musk: We'll create a city on Mars with a million inhabitants (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/06/21/elon-musk-create-city-mars-million-inhabitants/)

While governments dither, private enterprise leads.
It's unfortunate that governments are obsessed with pedestrian issues and not in the least concerned with our viability as a species. Fortunately we have some forward thinking members of society that are willing to use their fortunes for the common good.

[Crepitus]

Seems kinda ambitious to me, but I hope he can.

[Common]

I take another view, he can have mars, i dont want to live in a bubble. Aside from that I wont be around if and when he does it

[Peter1469]

It is going to happen someday, even if Elon isn't the one to achieve it.

[donttread]

Elon Musk: We'll create a city on Mars with a million inhabitants (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/06/21/elon-musk-create-city-mars-million-inhabitants/)

While governments dither, private enterprise leads.

How the hell is he going to affod that?

[Doublejack]

Why mars? The moon is much closer.

[Peter1469]

How the hell is he going to affod that?


How did Europeans afford exploration?

If you actually reserarch the issue the people who did in on the cheap succeeded while the people who made massive uber expensive plans failed.

[Peter1469]

Why mars? The moon is much closer.

Water.

[Newpublius]

Water.

Hey, Elon, I have a great idea, why not build a city with a million people on Antarctica first? No, can't do it? Why? Oh, nobody wants to live on Antarctica? Oh, that's right, Mars is balmy and more Floridaesque, right? Oh, sorry,.ots even cokder except with an even thinner atmosphere?

Hmmmm.......

Sorry, nobody wants to live on fucking Mars.

[Peter1469]

Hey, Elon, I have a great idea, why not build a city with a million people on Antarctica first? No, can't do it? Why? Oh, nobody wants to live on Antarctica? Oh, that's right, Mars is balmy and more Floridaesque, right? Oh, sorry,.ots even cokder except with an even thinner atmosphere?

Hmmmm.......

Sorry, nobody wants to live on fucking Mars.

They will go for the opportunity to make a lot of money. The same reason Europeans came to North America.

[Peter1469]

Luddites be damned. Humans are going to Mars. And the Moon. Then beyond.

[Starman]

Luddites be damned. Humans are going to Mars. And the Moon. Then beyond.

Peter, my Friend, dream on. It isn't about attitude, it's about reality.

1. The cost of transporting millions of tons of water, steel, food, oxygen, fuel, batteries, bulldozers, trucks, electronics, to the moon much less Mars, while people are starving and living on the streets in virtually every country in the world is cruelty on a massive scale.

2. Whatever happened to climate change, and reducing our carbon footprint 80%? Impossible with this pie in the sky dream.

3. Digging underground is prohibitively expensive and would be an unpleasant place to live, but staying on the surface, and growing food there would require pressurized greenhouses which would be destroyed by a small meteor. This would kill everyone living inside.

4. Nothing to do there except.... exist. No fishing, no surfing, no taking country vacations.

It's an absolutely unrealistic and silly claim to make, akin to getting technology from E.T., who doesn't exist and couldn't help us if he did.

[Peter1469]

The native Americans thank you.

We you around in the 1400s they would be secure in their t-pees today.


Peter, my Friend, dream on. It isn't about attitude, it's about reality.

1. The cost of transporting millions of tons of water, steel, food, oxygen, fuel, batteries, bulldozers, trucks, electronics, to the moon much less Mars, while people are starving and living on the streets in virtually every country in the world is cruelty on a massive scale.

2. Whatever happened to climate change, and reducing our carbon footprint 80%? Impossible with this pie in the sky dream.

3. Digging underground is prohibitively expensive and would be an unpleasant place to live, but staying on the surface, and growing food there would require pressurized greenhouses which would be destroyed by a small meteor. This would kill everyone living inside.

4. Nothing to do there except.... exist. No fishing, no surfing, no taking country vacations.

It's an absolutely unrealistic and silly claim to make, akin to getting technology from E.T., who doesn't exist and couldn't help us if he did.

[Peter1469]

The Case for Mars (https://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=the+case+for+mars&tag=googhydr-20&index=aps&hvadid=153657023257&hvpos=1t1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=10251091143345611952&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=e&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1027243&hvtargid=kwd-11351112&ref=pd_sl_9mlpbnrfkv_e)

[Starman]

The native Americans thank you.
We you (sic) around in the 1400s they would be secure in their t-pees (sic) today.

Nothing like changing the subject to pretend you are right, is there.

But since you bring up the savages, here are some facts about them.

While American Indians were living in teepees, humans on the other side of the earth were building massive cathedrals, and museums, and universities, and writing music, in BOOKS. Indians did not so much as have a written language.

One of the savage methods of torture used by Indians was to cut the soles of the feet off their enemies, and then put their bloodied feet on burning hot coals. Another was to cut their eyelids off and bury them on anthills, to be eaten by ants, eyes first. The history of mankind is a history of war. Indians were no different than other civilizations, except that Indians were one of the most primitive, most ignorant.
South American natives sacrificed children and other innocents at the altar, and enslaved some tribes.

But returning to the subject, which is "creating a city on Mars," you utterly failed to address how to prevent a meteor of even small size from breaking the greenhouse on Mars, killing everyone inside.

Earth's atmosphere burns up most small meteors, but Mars has no atmosphere and cannot burn them up.

Then there is the matter of the Mars Wannabe city built in the Arizona desert, to be self-sufficient. Except it failed miserably, with only four people inside. On earth.

[Private Pickle]

Elon Musk: We'll create a city on Mars with a million inhabitants (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/06/21/elon-musk-create-city-mars-million-inhabitants/)

While governments dither, private enterprise leads.

This is a ludicrous and impossible statement. 50 years?
50 years ago they said there would be flying bubble cars in every garage.

We have yet to figure out a way to put a human on Mars let alone inhabit it. The logistics of supporting one million inhabitants are not only staggering but unobtainable with our current technology. The technology alone will most like take more than 50 years to create and longer to implement.

[Common Sense]

I don't think it will be 50 years, but our technology is advancing at an almost exponential level.

Think of what a computer was 20 years ago. 20 years of traveling to Mars would create a huge advance in tech. I think there could be a small colony there in 50 years. Maybe an actual settlement in another 50.

But we have to get there first.

[Peter1469]

The Luddites and the young earthers are going to be awestruck as humans expand into the stars.