View Full Version : GOP Showcasing Hispanics Stars.....
http://news.yahoo.com/gop-showcasing-hispanic-stars-130726193.html
ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) — New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez, Nevada Gov. Brian Sandoval and Florida Sen. Marco Rubio are popular, relative political newcomers in presidential battleground states.
The rising GOP stars are also Hispanics, something the Republican Party makes no secret of hoping to capitalize on in the upcoming national elections.
National Republicans are inviting them on international fact finding trips, courting them for high-profile public appearances and whispering their names as possibilities for vice presidential nominations.
The scene underscores the complexities both political parties face as they set their sights on the nation's biggest and fastest growing but traditionally Democratic-leaning minority group — which is as diverse as Martinez, Sandoval and Rubio and the swing states they represent. Rubio is the son of Cuban exiles, a group that tends to have widely different views on immigration than Mexican-Americans in the Southwest and border-state Hispanics who trace their roots to early Spanish settlers.....snip~
Sandoval will be presented at the GOP Debate In Nevada.....it is not surprising and the Dems do play it down. Latinos are generally Family oriented, Catholic Christians, work orientated, stand for life, and are traditional on marriage. As well as are economically conservative.
Mister D
10-18-2011, 09:33 AM
Latino family values are a myth and they aren't going to vote for the GOP unless the GOP becomes another version of the Democratic Party. Then again, they've been on that road for some time.
Latino family values are a myth and they aren't going to vote for the GOP unless the GOP becomes another version of the Democratic Party. Then again, they've been on that road for some time.
Why would you say their family values are a myth? Is there any comparisons with those urban as opposed to being rural.
Conley
10-18-2011, 10:07 AM
Well they definitely seem to value having large families... :o
Well they definitely seem to value having large families... :o
As well as when one goes screwing round with them. Whole neighborhoods rise up. I have grown up around them and fought against them, been aquaintences with several. Which even those opposed each other. In Chicago and out in Californification. Texas as well. Been in their homes around their get togethers and their relatives.
Even tho Puerto Ricans and Cubans differ in political idealogy from most Mexicans. The one thing they all commonly share is their religion and family values.
Mister D
10-18-2011, 10:45 AM
Well they definitely seem to value having large families... :o
That's for sure.
Mister D
10-18-2011, 10:46 AM
Latino family values are a myth and they aren't going to vote for the GOP unless the GOP becomes another version of the Democratic Party. Then again, they've been on that road for some time.
Why would you say their family values are a myth? Is there any comparisons with those urban as opposed to being rural.
Because they get lots of abortions, divorces, and produce plenty of out bastard children. It's a myth. The rates aren't as bad as they are for blacks but they are quite high.
jgreer
10-18-2011, 10:56 AM
Latino family values are a myth and they aren't going to vote for the GOP unless the GOP becomes another version of the Democratic Party. Then again, they've been on that road for some time.
Why would you say their family values are a myth? Is there any comparisons with those urban as opposed to being rural.
Because they get lots of abortions, divorces, and produce plenty of out bastard children. It's a myth. The rates aren't as bad as they are for blacks but they are quite high.
Just like white people isn't it something else.
Mister D
10-18-2011, 12:18 PM
Latino family values are a myth and they aren't going to vote for the GOP unless the GOP becomes another version of the Democratic Party. Then again, they've been on that road for some time.
Why would you say their family values are a myth? Is there any comparisons with those urban as opposed to being rural.
Because they get lots of abortions, divorces, and produce plenty of out bastard children. It's a myth. The rates aren't as bad as they are for blacks but they are quite high.
Just like white people isn't it something else.
Could you be clearer? I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
jgreer
10-18-2011, 01:12 PM
I am saying that white people have abortions, divorces and all the other family problems just like Chicanos and African Americans.
Conley
10-18-2011, 01:16 PM
I am saying that white people have abortions, divorces and all the other family problems just like Chicanos and African Americans.
I think I can speak for all of us when I say:
"Duh."
:D
http://politirant.com/Smileys/oldrant/Doh!.gif
Mister D
10-18-2011, 01:41 PM
I am saying that white people have abortions, divorces and all the other family problems just like Chicanos and African Americans.
Thank you for that public service announcement, greer. I think we are all better for it.
Elibe
10-18-2011, 03:59 PM
Latino family values are a myth and they aren't going to vote for the GOP unless the GOP becomes another version of the Democratic Party. Then again, they've been on that road for some time.
Why would you say their family values are a myth? Is there any comparisons with those urban as opposed to being rural.
Because they get lots of abortions, divorces, and produce plenty of out bastard children. It's a myth. The rates aren't as bad as they are for blacks but they are quite high.
Just like white people isn't it something else.
Could you be clearer? I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
you ask him to be clearer and then make fun of him for explaining it to you in basics
Mister D
10-18-2011, 05:27 PM
Latino family values are a myth and they aren't going to vote for the GOP unless the GOP becomes another version of the Democratic Party. Then again, they've been on that road for some time.
Why would you say their family values are a myth? Is there any comparisons with those urban as opposed to being rural.
Because they get lots of abortions, divorces, and produce plenty of out bastard children. It's a myth. The rates aren't as bad as they are for blacks but they are quite high.
Just like white people isn't it something else.
Could you be clearer? I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
you ask him to be clearer and then make fun of him for explaining it to you in basics
It wasn't clear. When he made it clear I realized how inane it was. Understand now? Seriously, did you think that was insightful? Do you that was an appropriate response to my comment? If so, why?
Pendragon
10-18-2011, 05:31 PM
Good sir if I may ask, why are you taking this so seriously?
It would seem there are a considerable quantity of sensitive souls about this evening.
I Would think around urban settings this is true with those stats. But not so rurally. Also there are other family values besides those ones. Wouldn't you say? Believing in life. I dont know when the abortion thing came about but if they are devout Catholics I doubt they are about abortion my friend. Also the majority of them believe in marriage and that marriage is between a man and a women.
CL is out there in Southern Cali.....he can validate some of this too. As I am sure he is surrounded by such out there.
Mister D
10-18-2011, 05:58 PM
Good sir if I may ask, why are you taking this so seriously?
It would seem there are a considerable quantity of sensitive souls about this evening.
The fact that my country has been invaded by poor Latinos? Or that greer's reply was inane? Or that Elibe's criticism was unfair? I suppose I shouldn't take the latter two so seriously.
Conley
10-18-2011, 06:04 PM
I Would think around urban settings this is true with those stats. But not so rurally. Also there are other family values besides those ones. Wouldn't you say? Believing in life. I dont know when the abortion thing came about but if they are devout Catholics I doubt they are about abortion my friend. Also the majority of them believe in marriage and that marriage is between a man and a women.
CL is out there in Southern Cali.....he can validate some of this too. As I am sure he is surrounded by such out there.
Well I can only speak from experience and being in urban areas.
There are so many Hispanics out here I don't think generalizing serves any purpose. I guess I'd say that while yes, there are the traditional families with the Roman Catholic ideals and the strong sense of family, there are also a ton of them who do not share those values or any of the principles our country was founded on. I know what you are saying MMC but when it comes to family a lot of Hispanics also allow the man of the house to have mistresses etc. I believe that just like in other societies (Japan, Europe, the U.S.) the educated and wealthy Hispanics have more traditional families and it is the poor and uneducated ones who are squeezing out baby after baby and depending on the government to care for themselves and their offspring. The problems transcend race but you all know what I am talking about in the urban setting at least. In rural areas and in the past with agriculture large families made a lot more sense. Now there is no business having five kids when you can't even hold a job.
Mister D
10-18-2011, 06:07 PM
I Would think around urban settings this is true with those stats. But not so rurally. Also there are other family values besides those ones. Wouldn't you say? Believing in life. I dont know when the abortion thing came about but if they are devout Catholics I doubt they are about abortion my friend. Also the majority of them believe in marriage and that marriage is between a man and a women.
CL is out there in Southern Cali.....he can validate some of this too. As I am sure he is surrounded by such out there.
Believe it or not but Protestantism has become quote popular with Mexican migrants.
Well technically speaking the whole northern part of Mexico is really Yaki Indians. While I am sure over decades of intermingling has taken place. There are differences with the Spanish influence.
Which could be part of the solution. Althought I am sure Mexico wouldnt be too happy with it. For if they want to distnguish themselves as such. As to Yaki or Mexican. Then perhaps a buffer zone could be created with our Southern border. allowing the Yaki that Mexican land.
Mister D
10-18-2011, 07:27 PM
Well technically speaking the whole northern part of Mexico is really Yaki Indians. While I am sure over decades of intermingling has taken place. There are differences with the Spanish influence.
Which could be part of the solution. Althought I am sure Mexico wouldnt be too happy with it. For if they want to distnguish themselves as such. As to Yaki or Mexican. Then perhaps a buffer zone could be created with our Southern border. allowing the Yaki that Mexican land.
WTF is a Yaki? I must not have seen this episode of Ancient Aliens. ;D
Mexico is mostly mixed. There are some indigenous regions but the biggest population group is Mestizo. The white minority rules the country so they aren't coming here.
I probably spelled it wrong.....Also isnt there Apache in Mexico?
Yep I did.....here is the Correct Spelling. Yaqui!
The Yaqui people used oral traditions to pass their rich history on. They live in southern Arizona and northern Sonora, Mexico.
http://www.native-languages.org/yaqui.htm
Yaqui is a Uto-Aztecan language of the Sonoran desert. About 350 Yaqui speakers remain in Arizona and more than 15,000 in neighboring Mexico.....snip~
Says only about speaking the language. I am still trying to find some numbers.
http://www.parentseyes.arizona.edu/southcorner/images/Map-400.jpg
Hence the possibility of a buffer zone.
http://www.manataka.org/page129.html
The Yaquis were well accustomed to the many parts of North America. By 552 AD, Yaquis were living in family groups along the Yaqui River (Yoem Vatwe) north to the Gila River, where they gathered wild desert foods, hunted game and cultivated corn, beans, and squash. Yaquis traded native foods, furs, shells, salt, and other goods with many indigenous groups of central North America. Among these groups are the Shoshone, the Comanche, the Pueblos, the Pimas, the Aztecs, and the Toltec. Yaquis roamed extensively in pre-Columbian times and sometimes settled among other native groups like the Zunis.
In 1533, the Yaquis saw the first white men: a Spanish military expedition searching for slaves. The Spanish who initiated warfare were soundly defeated, but took thousands of Yaqui lives. Between 1608 and 1610 the Spanish repeatedly attacked the Yaqui people. The Yaquis proved they could raise a fighting force of 7,000 within a few hours to successfully defend Yaqui land and cultural integrity.
Nevertheless, the Yaquis preferred peace. They asked the Jesuits to enter Yaqui villages to do missionary work and economic development. Most of the 60,000 Yaquis settled into eight sacred towns or "pueblos" and built churches: La Navidad del Senor de Vikam, Santa Rosa de Vahkom, La Asuncion de Nuestra Senora de Rahum, Espiritu Santo (Ko'okoim), Santa Barbara de Wiivisim, San Ignacio de Torim, San Miguel de Veenem, and La Santisima Trinidad de Potam.
Juan Banderas was one Yaqui leader who tried to unite the Mayo, Opata, and Pima tribes with the Yaqui tribe in attempt to force the Mexicans out of Indian country. He was caught with an Opata chief in 1833 and was executed.
The Mexican government tried various tactics to defeat the Yaquis. Many were killed. Mexican troops would occupy Yaqui pueblos to keep watch over them. Yaquis were also deported to work as slaves in many distant areas of Mexico, as Yucatan, Oaxaca, Vera Cruz, Mexico City, and Guadalajara. The deportation of Yaquis extended past the borders of Mexico to include Bolivia, the islands of the Caribbean, and the United States.
Significant Yaqui relocation occurred from the United States to Sonora and from Sonora to the United States during the 1880s. In 1897, a peace treaty was signed at Ortiz, Sonora between the Yaqui people and the Mexican government. But, after two years, war and deportation of Yaquis continued.....snip~
As you can see the Mexican Government wa deporting them the whole time.
Mister D
10-19-2011, 08:23 AM
Oh, I see. OK
The Mexican government has a long history of marginalizing the indigenous population. I think they are more heavily concentrated toward the south though. Northern Mexcio never had a large population as I recall. It was always small relative to Mesoamerica.
Conley
10-19-2011, 08:28 AM
Oh, I see. OK
The Mexican government has a long history of marginalizing the indigenous population. I think they are more heavily concentrated toward the south though. Northern Mexcio never had a large population as I recall. It was always small relative to Mesoamerica.
That surprises me. Not that I doubt you, just that Baja California seems like such a fertile land and good climate (flashing back to my settler wagon in CIV ;D ) I have only been once before the whole drug thing exploded :-[ and it was really amazing. Very few people though actually as I recall... Once you get past TJ of course.
Mister D
10-19-2011, 08:33 AM
Oh, I see. OK
The Mexican government has a long history of marginalizing the indigenous population. I think they are more heavily concentrated toward the south though. Northern Mexcio never had a large population as I recall. It was always small relative to Mesoamerica.
That surprises me. Not that I doubt you, just that Baja California seems like such a fertile land and good climate (flashing back to my settler wagon in CIV ;D ) I have only been once before the whole drug thing exploded :-[ and it was really amazing. Very few people though actually as I recall... Once you get past TJ of course.
As as I remember. I might be wrong. The southwest had civilizations like the Anasazi (sp?) but they were small in comparison to central Mexico. The climate/land is harsh.
Conley
10-19-2011, 08:35 AM
Oh, I see. OK
The Mexican government has a long history of marginalizing the indigenous population. I think they are more heavily concentrated toward the south though. Northern Mexcio never had a large population as I recall. It was always small relative to Mesoamerica.
That surprises me. Not that I doubt you, just that Baja California seems like such a fertile land and good climate (flashing back to my settler wagon in CIV ;D ) I have only been once before the whole drug thing exploded :-[ and it was really amazing. Very few people though actually as I recall... Once you get past TJ of course.
As as I remember. I might be wrong. The southwest had civilizations like the Anasazi (sp?) but they were small in comparison to central Mexico. The climate/land is harsh.
Yeah I think you are right. Certainly nothing to rival the great empires of further south in Central America
Mister D
10-19-2011, 08:37 AM
Oh, I see. OK
The Mexican government has a long history of marginalizing the indigenous population. I think they are more heavily concentrated toward the south though. Northern Mexcio never had a large population as I recall. It was always small relative to Mesoamerica.
That surprises me. Not that I doubt you, just that Baja California seems like such a fertile land and good climate (flashing back to my settler wagon in CIV ;D ) I have only been once before the whole drug thing exploded :-[ and it was really amazing. Very few people though actually as I recall... Once you get past TJ of course.
As as I remember. I might be wrong. The southwest had civilizations like the Anasazi (sp?) but they were small in comparison to central Mexico. The climate/land is harsh.
Yeah I think you are right. Certainly nothing to rival the great empires of further south in Central America
Or even the Mississippi cultures. They had a few urban centers. MMC might have seen them. They are in his general area.
Here is the solution to the Mexican immigration problem.....we create a bufferzone. Recognizing the Indians as their own entity. Pitch it to the UN telling everybody get on board. Or Else! Force Mexico to give back the northern part of Mexico. All the land. Let the Indianas take it all. Put up all thier Casinos turn it into a Vegas like Country. Like Dubai and the Sunni are doing. Bada-bing immigration solved.
The Mexicans will look for jobs in the bufferzone. Not to mention with the Drug Cartels, Indians, Gambling joints and hookers up the Ying Yang, few tourist attractions. There will be plenty to keep them entertained and distracted.
Kinda like one NY/Vegas type of Country. Open for buisness 24/7 365 days a year. ;D
Yep the Yaqui had the Northern Western part all the way over to Arizona. The Apache Commanche Navaho and the Zunis were to the east of them.
jgreer
10-19-2011, 05:15 PM
This is a great idea except for one tiny little problem. It is completely ridiculous. Mexico would never give up their land. They could just as well propose that the United States give up the Southwest and Texas. Now would our country be better off without Texas? Probably, but I still don't think we should give it to the Mexicans. Haha!
This is a great idea except for one tiny little problem. It is completely ridiculous. Mexico would never give up their land. They could just as well propose that the United States give up the Southwest and Texas. Now would our country be better off without Texas? Probably, but I still don't think we should give it to the Mexicans. Haha!
The only difference is we can force our play. They can't! There wouldn't be anything they could do about it. Except to STFU and deal with it!
jgreer
10-19-2011, 05:46 PM
This is a great idea except for one tiny little problem. It is completely ridiculous. Mexico would never give up their land. They could just as well propose that the United States give up the Southwest and Texas. Now would our country be better off without Texas? Probably, but I still don't think we should give it to the Mexicans. Haha!
The only difference is we can force our play. They can't! There wouldn't be anything they could do about it. Except to STFU and deal with it!
How do you expect the United States to force Mexico to agree to this? What would you propose?
This is a great idea except for one tiny little problem. It is completely ridiculous. Mexico would never give up their land. They could just as well propose that the United States give up the Southwest and Texas. Now would our country be better off without Texas? Probably, but I still don't think we should give it to the Mexicans. Haha!
The only difference is we can force our play. They can't! There wouldn't be anything they could do about it. Except to STFU and deal with it!
How do you expect the United States to force Mexico to agree to this? What would you propose?
Once they are officially recognized by the UN. We can go about it in several ways. Takes recognition. We could do it the same way the French played Libya. Set up a No Fly Zone and send in UN troops to hold the Southern Border of the Bufferzone. Until the Indians can get a government up and running. What could Mexico do about it? Go to war with the US and the UN? Doesnt even have to be our troops on the ground. We just tell the French and the Brits they need to cover it. As we backed their play with Libya and the African Continent.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.1.8 Copyright © 2024 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved.