I hope you know everything they tell you is bullsht

[wolfstrike]

* The founders of America never tried to do anything about slavery -BULLSHT* The issues the founders dealt with were so long ago they don't apply today -BULLSHT
* Thomas Jefferson (The founder they hate the most) had kids with slaves -BULLSHT
* The Supreme Court was created as the final judge of the law - BULLSHT
* The "Civil War" was fought over slavery -BULLSHT
* The leaders of the "civil rights" movement were heroes that helped America -BULLSHT
* Darwinism -BULLSHT
* Socialism is about peace and love and has improved America -BULLSHT
* The pills given to the public by doctors and pharmaceutical companies are improving our lives -BULLSHT
* People never lived to 80 , 90, 100 in the past -BULLSHT
* Eat dark green lettuce , not iceberg lettuce, because it's good for you -BULLSHT
* Coffee will kill you -BULLSHT
* Coffee is good for you -BULLSHT
* Carl Sagan, black holes, and the 4th dimension -BULLSHT
* People with expensive college degrees have higher learning and are improving the country-BULLSHT
* Some day we'll meet atheist space aliens-BULLSHT
* The more money a school has the better it performs -BULLSHT
* Teachers don't make decent money -BULLSHT
* Global Warming -BULLSHT
* Modern science leans toward God not being real -BULLSHT

[resister]

Bullsht :) I agree. Especially the pharma part!

[Ethereal]

Thomas Jefferson (The founder they hate the most) had kids with slaves -BULLSHT

Thomas Jefferson is my favorite founding father, but it is probably true that he fathered children with Sally Hemmings who was his slave.

[AeonPax]

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Lot's of statements but no proof.

[stjames1_53]

Thomas Jefferson is my favorite founding father, but it is probably true that he fathered children with Sally Hemmings who was his slave.
Hemmings was not a slave inasmuch as Jefferson never kept her as a slave. She was free to go whenever she wanted. One must consider the society of the times. Black women were subject to slavery by many early Americans. If she had left, she probably would have ended up being a real slave........

[stjames1_53]

* The founders of America never tried to do anything about slavery -BULLSHT* The issues the founders dealt with were so long ago they don't apply today -BULLSHT
* Thomas Jefferson (The founder they hate the most) had kids with slaves -BULLSHT
* The Supreme Court was created as the final judge of the law - BULLSHT
* The "Civil War" was fought over slavery -BULLSHT
* The leaders of the "civil rights" movement were heroes that helped America -BULLSHT
* Darwinism -BULLSHT
* Socialism is about peace and love and has improved America -BULLSHT
* The pills given to the public by doctors and pharmaceutical companies are improving our lives -BULLSHT
* People never lived to 80 , 90, 100 in the past -BULLSHT
* Eat dark green lettuce , not iceberg lettuce, because it's good for you -BULLSHT
* Coffee will kill you -BULLSHT
* Coffee is good for you -BULLSHT
* Carl Sagan, black holes, and the 4th dimension -BULLSHT
* People with expensive college degrees have higher learning and are improving the country-BULLSHT
* Some day we'll meet atheist space aliens-BULLSHT
* The more money a school has the better it performs -BULLSHT
* Teachers don't make decent money -BULLSHT
* Global Warming -BULLSHT
* Modern science leans toward God not being real -BULLSHT

That's quite of list of rants...............I surely hope you are planning on addressing every point in a variety of posts

[katzgar]

Hemmings was not a slave inasmuch as Jefferson never kept her as a slave. She was free to go whenever she wanted. One must consider the society of the times. Black women were subject to slavery by many early Americans. If she had left, she probably would have ended up being a real slave........

you love your parallel universe dont you, yes she was jeffersons property.

[stjames1_53]

you love your parallel universe dont you, yes she was jeffersons property.

She was free togo. Period. Unless you can back up your claim, my statement stands. Jefferson didn't believe that people should be "owned" however, he was one against many. Hemmings was given all the things white women had. Her own home, for example. Justbecause she stayed with him does not indicate ownership. Jeffereson had to deal with the mode of society of the times.
Please try to do some in-depth study into this.............None of their offspring will declare what you just claimed

[jet57]

Thomas Jefferson is my favorite founding father, but it is probably true that he fathered children with Sally Hemmings who was his slave.

It is true; DNA proved it. http://www.nytimes.com/1998/11/01/us/dna-test-finds-evidence-of-jefferson-child-by-slave.html

[stjames1_53]

It is true; DNA proved it. http://www.nytimes.com/1998/11/01/us/dna-test-finds-evidence-of-jefferson-child-by-slave.html
DNA does not prove slavery...............He never denied his offspring...........I know that bothers you...........

[katzgar]

She was free togo. Period. Unless you can back up your claim, my statement stands. Jefferson didn't believe that people should be "owned" however, he was one against many. Hemmings was given all the things white women had. Her own home, for example. Justbecause she stayed with him does not indicate ownership. Jeffereson had to deal with the mode of society of the times.
Please try to do some in-depth study into this.............None of their offspring will declare what you just claimed

prove it

[Private Pickle]

Losing 27 seconds of my life reading the OP. - BULLSHIT!

[Crepitus]

* The founders of America never tried to do anything about slavery -BULLSHT* The issues the founders dealt with were so long ago they don't apply today -BULLSHT
* Thomas Jefferson (The founder they hate the most) had kids with slaves -BULLSHT
* The Supreme Court was created as the final judge of the law - BULLSHT
* The "Civil War" was fought over slavery -BULLSHT
* The leaders of the "civil rights" movement were heroes that helped America -BULLSHT
* Darwinism -BULLSHT
* Socialism is about peace and love and has improved America -BULLSHT
* The pills given to the public by doctors and pharmaceutical companies are improving our lives -BULLSHT
* People never lived to 80 , 90, 100 in the past -BULLSHT
* Eat dark green lettuce , not iceberg lettuce, because it's good for you -BULLSHT
* Coffee will kill you -BULLSHT
* Coffee is good for you -BULLSHT
* Carl Sagan, black holes, and the 4th dimension -BULLSHT
* People with expensive college degrees have higher learning and are improving the country-BULLSHT
* Some day we'll meet atheist space aliens-BULLSHT
* The more money a school has the better it performs -BULLSHT
* Teachers don't make decent money -BULLSHT
* Global Warming -BULLSHT
* Modern science leans toward God not being real -BULLSHT

This post - MOSTLY BULLSHT

[MisterVeritis]

Thomas Jefferson is my favorite founding father, but it is probably true that he fathered children with Sally Hemmings who was his slave.
Sally Hemings was Jefferson's wife's half-sister. Jefferson's wife was reputed to be a beautiful woman. As she died she made Jefferson promise to never remarry. Jefferson lived with Sally Hemings for 40 years and had six children together.

[MisterVeritis]

She was free togo. Period. Unless you can back up your claim, my statement stands. Jefferson didn't believe that people should be "owned" however, he was one against many. Hemmings was given all the things white women had. Her own home, for example. Justbecause she stayed with him does not indicate ownership. Jeffereson had to deal with the mode of society of the times.
Please try to do some in-depth study into this.............None of their offspring will declare what you just claimed
Jefferson owned at least 200 slaves.

[del]

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Lot's of statements but no proof.
it's their speciality

[Chris]

I hope you know everything they tell you is bullsht including "I hope you know everything they tell you is bullsht."

[Chris]

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Lot's of statements but no proof.


prove it


Nobody ever proves anything on the Internet.

[AeonPax]

Nobody ever proves anything on the Internet.
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I trust nothing I read in forums, what the government says and the corporations say.

[Chris]

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I trust nothing I read in forums, what the government says and the corporations say.

I was always told 98% of what you hear is BS.

The trick is figuring out the 2%.

[katzgar]

"The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot confirm their validity." Abraham Lincoln

[Ethereal]

It is true; DNA proved it. http://www.nytimes.com/1998/11/01/us/dna-test-finds-evidence-of-jefferson-child-by-slave.html
Actually, it did not prove it. Nobody really knows if Thomas Jefferson or one of his male relatives fathered the children. All we can do is assign a probability. But given the totality of the evidence, I believe the probability strongly favors Thomas Jefferson.

[The Xl]

I don't know if I agree with all of that, but yes, there is a lot of things that are asserted nowadays that are complete nonsense.

[Ethereal]

Hemmings was not a slave inasmuch as Jefferson never kept her as a slave. She was free to go whenever she wanted. One must consider the society of the times. Black women were subject to slavery by many early Americans. If she had left, she probably would have ended up being a real slave........
She was technically his slave. But you're right to characterize their relationship as a mutual one. Sally Hemmings could have left Jefferson while they were in France but she returned to America with him willingly on condition that any children they had would be emancipated.

[AeonPax]

I was always told 98% of what you hear is BS. The trick is figuring out the 2%.

(Unconfirmed) I read where Walgreens has over 14 petabytes of prescription drug data they freely share with the government.

[Captain Obvious]

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Lot's of statements but no proof.

The proof is in the likes it got on Facebook

[Chris]

(Unconfirmed) I read where Walgreens has over 14 petabytes of prescription drug data they freely share with the government.

Is Walmart any better?

[jet57]

Actually, it did not prove it. Nobody really knows if Thomas Jefferson or one of his male relatives fathered the children. All we can do is assign a probability. But given the totality of the evidence, I believe the probability strongly favors Thomas Jefferson.
It comes as close as it can get actually. If you know some stuff about DNA, and in the genealogical sense, which is what the Jefferson story is, the match (genealogical distance) can be from say 7, which is not very close, down to 0. The more markers that are tested the closer the match can get and I'll bet that the modern back relatives drew something like a 3 or better that there is 99.99 % chance that the testees (one or more) have a common ancestor with a direct descendant of Jefferson's father...

Anyway, it went something like that, and Jefferson does have modern black relatives, so.

[jet57]

She was technically his slave. But you're right to characterize their relationship as a mutual one. Sally Hemmings could have left Jefferson while they were in France but she returned to America with him willingly on condition that any children they had would be emancipated.


Right; she was a slave, so stjames1_53 is quite wrong


The c that Thomas Jefferson fathered children with Sally Hemings, a slave at Monticello, entered the public arena during Jefferson's first term as president, and it has remained a subject of discussion and disagreement for two centuries. Based on documentary, scientific, statistical, and oral history evidence, the Thomas Jefferson Foundation (TJF) Research Committee Report on Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings (https://www.monticello.org/site/plantation-and-slavery/report-research-committee-thomas-jefferson-and-sally-hemings) (January 2000) remains the most comprehensive analysis of this historical topic. TJF and most historians believe that, years after his wife’s death, Thomas Jefferson was the father of the six children of Sally Hemings mentioned in Jefferson's records, including Beverly, Harriet, Madison, and Eston Hemings.

[Ethereal]

It comes as close as it can get actually. If you know some stuff about DNA, and in the genealogical sense, which is what the Jefferson story is, the match (genealogical distance) can be from say 7, which is not very close, down to 0. The more markers that are tested the closer the match can get and I'll bet that the modern back relatives drew something like a 3 or better that there is 99.99 % chance that the testees (one or more) have a common ancestor with a direct descendant of Jefferson's father...

Anyway, it went something like that, and Jefferson does have modern black relatives, so.
Like I said, I strongly believe Jefferson and Hemmings did have children together. But there is SOME uncertainty.

[katzgar]

Like I said, I strongly believe Jefferson and Hemmings did have children together. But there is SOME uncertainty.

you will have to prove the uncertainty schtick because there really isnt any.

[jet57]

Like I said, I strongly believe Jefferson and Hemmings did have children together. But there is SOME uncertainty.
But to what degree man. It's a done deal.