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na3
07-18-2017, 12:40 AM
Trump suggests loss of citizenship or jail for those who burn U.S. flags

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/11/29/trump-suggests-loss-of-citizenship-or-jail-for-those-who-burn-u-s-flags/?utm_term=.405b29196e1b

Cthulhu
07-18-2017, 12:41 AM
Trump suggests loss of citizenship or jail for those who burn U.S. flags

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/11/29/trump-suggests-loss-of-citizenship-or-jail-for-those-who-burn-u-s-flags/?utm_term=.405b29196e1b
*facepalm*

Idiots...

Sent from my evil cell phone.

Tahuyaman
07-18-2017, 12:42 AM
Trump suggests loss of citizenship or jail for those who burn U.S. flags
I think a broken nose is more appropriate.

Cletus
07-18-2017, 12:54 AM
Trump suggests loss of citizenship or jail for those who burn U.S. flags


I think a broken nose is more appropriate.

I see his point. If you are going to express that kind of contempt for this nation, you should go find a new home. However, the people who do so are protected by the First Amendment and as distasteful as it is, they have a right to do so.

A broken nose would be a good start, though.

na3
07-18-2017, 01:00 AM
What does the US stand for today? Tyranny? War? Debt?

Americans are no better than Nazis now.

stjames1_53
07-18-2017, 04:36 AM
The Nazis wanted to conquer the world. Most of us just want to be left alone to live our lives, raise children and die peacefully. From the sounds of it, that may not happen.

Ethereal
07-18-2017, 04:40 AM
I see his point. If you are going to express that kind of contempt for this nation, you should go find a new home. However, the people who do so are protected by the First Amendment and as distasteful as it is, they have a right to do so.

A broken nose would be a good start, though.
Why do you automatically assume flag burning is an expression of contempt for the "nation"? Perhaps they are expressing contempt for the government?

And why do you feel it is appropriate to assault someone for exercising their rights?

na3
07-18-2017, 04:42 AM
http://nypost.com/2014/01/05/us-is-the-greatest-threat-to-world-peace-poll/

Beevee
07-18-2017, 05:03 AM
I see his point. If you are going to express that kind of contempt for this nation, you should go find a new home. However, the people who do so are protected by the First Amendment and as distasteful as it is, they have a right to do so.

A broken nose would be a good start, though.

Ah! America. Land of the free. Home of the brave.

na3
07-18-2017, 05:51 AM
Banning a symbol of freedom sounds hypocritical.

Tahuyaman
07-18-2017, 09:43 AM
Ah! America. Land of the free. Home of the brave.

Actions have consequences.

Private Pickle
07-18-2017, 09:55 AM
What does the US stand for today? Tyranny? War? Debt?

Americans are no better than Nazis now.

Godwin'd his own thread. Hyperbole like this is an insult to everyone who suffered under the Nazis.

DGUtley
07-18-2017, 09:58 AM
Ok, a 9 month old article. Way to go. We covered this thing ad nauseum months ago.

na3
07-18-2017, 09:59 AM
Those who do not learn from the mistakes of history are doomed to repeat them.

Private Pickle
07-18-2017, 10:21 AM
Those who do not learn from the mistakes of history are doomed to repeat them.

Or at the very least use them to make political points on an Internet forum...

Cletus
07-18-2017, 11:29 AM
Why do you automatically assume flag burning is an expression of contempt for the "nation"? Perhaps they are expressing contempt for the government?


The flag represents the United States of America, not its government. If someone is too stupid and uninformed to understand that, he probably needs some sense slapped into him. You could consider it doing him a favor.


And why do you feel it is appropriate to assault someone for exercising their rights?


There are very few things in this world I hold dear... my family, my honor and my nation are about it. An attack on any one of them is an attack on me. Even though I recognize and would do whatever possible to defend someone's right to burn or deface a flag, I can easily understand the anger it might engender in someone seeing it.

Legal is not the same as right, and actions have consequences.

Cletus
07-18-2017, 11:30 AM
Ah! America. Land of the free. Home of the brave.


That is why you would never fit in here.

Beevee
07-18-2017, 01:13 PM
Actions have consequences.

Like failing to have a united GOP, I suppose.

Beevee
07-18-2017, 01:19 PM
That is why you would never fit in here.

Less of an opportunity of being murdered, so for once I agree with you.

Cletus
07-18-2017, 01:20 PM
Less of an opportunity of being murdered, so for once I agree with you.

Are you afraid?

Ethereal
07-18-2017, 01:34 PM
The flag represents the United States of America, not its government.

The creation of the USA and the US government went hand-in-hand. One would not exist without the other.


There are very few things in this world I hold dear... my family, my honor and my nation are about it. An attack on any one of them is an attack on me. Even though I recognize and would do whatever possible to defend someone's right to burn or deface a flag, I can easily understand the anger it might engender in someone seeing it.

Legal is not the same as right, and actions have consequences.

The USA isn't really a "nation", it's a federation. Or, at least, it's supposed to be. In any case, beating someone up for exercising their rights IS an attack on the constitution and the "nation" you want to defend. The entire point of a nominal republic like America is to protect and promote liberty. Attempting to rationalize the violent oppression of another individual's rights is completely antithetical to that.

Tahuyaman
07-18-2017, 01:37 PM
Like failing to have a united GOP, I suppose.

Yes. The big government types need to be weeded out.

Common
07-18-2017, 01:42 PM
I loathe those that burn the flag so many died and suffered for. I loathe that most that do burn and desecrate flags have done nothing for this country, they only take they never sacrificed a thing.

However, I dont believe they should be arrested or jailed unless theres an ancillary crime like property damage, trespass etc.

katzgar
07-18-2017, 01:54 PM
Trump suggests loss of citizenship or jail for those who burn U.S. flags

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/11/29/trump-suggests-loss-of-citizenship-or-jail-for-those-who-burn-u-s-flags/?utm_term=.405b29196e1b

trump is desperately looking for ways to pander to the deplorables.

Kalkin
07-18-2017, 02:00 PM
Those who do not learn from the mistakes of history are doomed to repeat them.


Stephen Hicks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Hicks) of Rockford College (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockford_College) ascribes the violence characteristic of twentieth-century socialist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism) rule to these collectivist regimes' abandonment of protections of civil rights (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_rights) and rejection of the values of civil society (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_society). Hicks writes that whereas "in practice every liberal capitalist country has a solid record for being humane, for by and large respecting rights and freedoms, and for making it possible for people to put together fruitful and meaningful lives", in socialism "practice has time and again proved itself more brutal than the worst dictatorships prior to the twentieth century. Each socialist regime has collapsed into dictatorship and begun killing people on a huge scale."[39] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes#cite_note-SRC_Hicks-39)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes

Beevee
07-18-2017, 04:40 PM
Are you afraid?

Too bloody right.

na3
07-18-2017, 06:29 PM
Every country has the government it deserves.

Safety
07-18-2017, 06:34 PM
I see his point. If you are going to express that kind of contempt for this nation, you should go find a new home. However, the people who do so are protected by the First Amendment and as distasteful as it is, they have a right to do so.

A broken nose would be a good start, though.

My thoughts exactly on the supporters of the Confederacy.

na3
07-18-2017, 06:41 PM
I expect to see trade wars, foreign policy disasters, a few race riots, a decrease in personal liberty, higher taxes, higher inflation and probably, economic collapse. The silver lining is, secession will probably become more feasible.

Cletus
07-18-2017, 07:05 PM
Too bloody right.

Stay home.

Hide.

Cletus
07-18-2017, 07:06 PM
My thoughts exactly on the supporters of the Confederacy.

Well, that is stupid, but okay. You are entitled to your thoughts, as ridiculous as they may be.

Safety
07-18-2017, 07:12 PM
Well, that is stupid, but okay. You are entitled to your thoughts, as ridiculous as they may be.

Here's my shocked face that you would not like my post.....

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/05/27/video-undefined-1E3B264500000578-540_636x358.jpg

Cletus
07-18-2017, 07:21 PM
Why would I like it?

The Confederacy ceased to exist over a century ago. To try to compare "supporting" it with expressing open contempt and hatred for the United States is stupid.

One of the biggest problems we have with society today is the lack of willingness of people to stop and say "That is just stupid" when people say something stupid. Fortunately, I don't have that problem.

Safety
07-18-2017, 07:29 PM
Why would I like it?

The Confederacy ceased to exist over a century ago. To try to compare "supporting" it with expressing open contempt and hatred for the United States is stupid.

One of the biggest problems we have with society today is the lack of willingness of people to stop and say "That is just stupid" when people say something stupid. Fortunately, I don't have that problem.

I guess for the same reason you choose to yell at clouds, rather than quote the person you are obviously responding to. If support for the confederacy died when the war was over, then you might have a smidgen of a point, but yet we still have discussions on why they were awesome, and people crying about their "heritage" being erased.

MisterVeritis
07-18-2017, 07:31 PM
I guess for the same reason you choose to yell at clouds, rather than quote the person you are obviously responding to. If support for the confederacy died when the war was over, then you might have a smidgen of a point, but yet we still have discussions on why they were awesome, and people crying about their "heritage" being erased.
It is such a shame I can no longer use a kook alert.

na3
07-18-2017, 07:34 PM
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.

Safety
07-18-2017, 07:35 PM
It is such a shame I can no longer use a kook alert.

Why not, got tired of evaluating yourself?

na3
07-18-2017, 07:37 PM
Man is not free unless government is limited. There's a clear cause and effect here that is as neat and predictable as a law of physics: As government expands, liberty contracts.

MisterVeritis
07-18-2017, 07:38 PM
Why not, got tired of self-evaluating yourself?
The moderators believe identifying kooks (for example someone who writes the kinds of posts you leave) is not a good practice. It makes the kooks, people who write the kinds of things you do, complain.

But if I could use a kook alert, your post would be exactly the reason why it is useful.

Safety
07-18-2017, 07:39 PM
The moderators believe identifying kooks (for example someone who writes the kinds of posts you leave) is not a good practice. It makes the kooks, people who write the kinds of things you do, complain.

But if I could use a kook alert, your post would be exactly the reason why it is useful.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, such limited vocabulary for someone who constantly reminds us how intelligent they supposedly are...

na3
07-18-2017, 07:50 PM
You don't need a degree in Political Science to know what freedom is.

MisterVeritis
07-18-2017, 07:53 PM
The moderators believe identifying kooks (for example someone who writes the kinds of posts you leave) is not a good practice. It makes the kooks, people who write the kinds of things you do, complain.

But if I could use a kook alert, your post would be exactly the reason why it is useful.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, such limited vocabulary for someone who constantly reminds us how intelligent they supposedly are...
LOL.
I use Grammarly to help deal with essential tremors. Grammarly reports I use more unique words than 99% of their users. My unique word usage per week runs around 5k words.

Here is this week's:

6,126


unique words used




I bet you use around 150 unique words. Per week.

na3
07-18-2017, 08:03 PM
There is no "slippery slope" toward loss of liberty, only a long staircase where each step down must first be tolerated by the American people and their leaders.

Safety
07-18-2017, 08:04 PM
The moderators believe identifying kooks (for example someone who writes the kinds of posts you leave) is not a good practice. It makes the kooks, people who write the kinds of things you do, complain.

But if I could use a kook alert, your post would be exactly the reason why it is useful.

LOL.
I use Grammarly to help deal with essential tremors. Grammarly reports I use more unique words than 99% of their users. My unique word usage per week runs around 5k words.

Here is this week's:

6,126


unique words used




I bet you use around 150 unique words. Per week.

Outstanding. I bet rainman holds the record.

na3
07-18-2017, 08:19 PM
Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us all.

resister
07-18-2017, 08:29 PM
There is no "slippery slope" toward loss of liberty, only a long staircase where each step down must first be tolerated by the American people and their leaders.
What auto response button did the program use for the use of this phrase I have heard the bot use mulitipul times ?

na3
07-18-2017, 08:35 PM
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

MisterVeritis
07-18-2017, 09:45 PM
Outstanding. I bet rainman holds the record.
Perhaps.

na3
07-18-2017, 10:26 PM
Resistance to tyranny is service to God.