The Republican Revolution is Nearing its End

[jet57]

So, what we've seen since the "Reagan Revolution" is a Republican party that has been usurped and completely taken over by far right-wing extremism and if history is any judge, the "Alt-right" of the modern Republican era will be over soon.
Below are excerpts from an article that very well documents how such a one sided right-wing revolution failed once before and ushered in the era of Roosevelt progressivism.
https://qz.com/831432/a-political-historian-explains-why-republicans-shift-to-alt-right-nationalism-could-backfire/

Following the Civil war –
Democratic voters argued that rather than favoring industrial barons, congressmen should keep the economic playing field level by protecting workers and farmers. But Republicans who had once championed hardworking Americans retorted that favoring any special interests would destroy the very economic harmony on which an expanding economy depended. Protecting business, they argued, protected everyone.
It was the Republicans’ fierce commitment to this principle, in spite of ample evidence that their policies were failing to improve the lives of working Americans, that would be the party’s undoing.
The political tide began to turn in 1884 when Republican party operatives nominated James G. Blaine for president, who was popularly believed to be in the pocket of railroad corporations. Blaine lost to his Democratic opponent, Grover Cleveland, who called for government to curb its pro-business extremism and protect the opportunity of all men to rise.
Cleveland’s win horrified Republican leaders. They knew full well that increasing immigration, industrialization, and urbanization meant they would never again attract a majority of voters. It would be only a question of time until Democrats gained the power to readjust the economic policies of the country.
Convinced that they alone understood how to govern, Republican leaders launched a war on the Democrats.
They replaced partisan color-coded ballots with secret, impartial ballots that required a voter to know how to read, then warned that continued Democratic victories only proved that the electoral system was rigged. They ginned up supporters to turn on the immigrants and organized workers who voted Democratic ballots, arguing that their calls for basic rights were in fact un-American demands for special treatment.

But in the long term, their strategy doomed the Republican ideologues. As they became increasingly convinced that they, and they alone, knew what was good for the country, Republican leaders shifted further and further right. They turned to religion, racism, and social Darwinism to justify their ideology and continue favoring business. They silenced alternative ideas. And as they manipulated the political system, they had less and less reason to compromise. They became convinced that compromise itself would kill the nation.

What we see about history repeating itself is pretty damning for the Republicans and the Trump administration is serving as the needed bellwether that can bring in the new age and save the party.

[Chris]

That's a nice liberal narrative. Wrong from the get go. I'll bet it's a rip off of Nancy MacLean’s Democracy in Chains.

[Agent Zero]

All things are cyclical. What could have been an historic accomplishment for republicans turned out to be a massive fail at the hands of Trump and his alt right legion

[Newpublius]

The Republican Revolution never really happened. The government didn't actually get smaller. Ot never got smaller.

[texan]

So, what we've seen since the "Reagan Revolution" is a Republican party that has been usurped and completely taken over by far right-wing extremism and if history is any judge, the "Alt-right" of the modern Republican era will be over soon.
Below are excerpts from an article that very well documents how such a one sided right-wing revolution failed once before and ushered in the era of Roosevelt progressivism.
https://qz.com/831432/a-political-historian-explains-why-republicans-shift-to-alt-right-nationalism-could-backfire/

Following the Civil war –

What we see about history repeating itself is pretty damning for the Republicans and the Trump administration is serving as the needed bellwether that can bring in the new age and save the party.
If you really hunk there will be some democrat party revolution you are drinking too much. It ain't happening.

[texan]

All things are cyclical. What could have been an historic accomplishment for republicans turned out to be a massive fail at the hands of Trump and his alt right legion

We are in the first qtr of a 4 qtr game and the chickens are being counted. Wonder what's gonna happen when this coup attempt fails?

[Chris]

All things are cyclical. What could have been an historic accomplishment for republicans turned out to be a massive fail at the hands of Trump and his alt right legion

And here I thought for progressives, in the spirit of Marx, all these progress.

[Chris]

The Republican Revolution never really happened. The government didn't actually get smaller. Ot never got smaller.

https://i.snag.gy/lpMG2n.jpg

[resister]

All these fortune tellers, lost credibility, that glorious night in November!

[stjames1_53]

So, what we've seen since the "Reagan Revolution" is a Republican party that has been usurped and completely taken over by far right-wing extremism and if history is any judge, the "Alt-right" of the modern Republican era will be over soon.
Below are excerpts from an article that very well documents how such a one sided right-wing revolution failed once before and ushered in the era of Roosevelt progressivism.
https://qz.com/831432/a-political-historian-explains-why-republicans-shift-to-alt-right-nationalism-could-backfire/

Following the Civil war –

What we see about history repeating itself is pretty damning for the Republicans and the Trump administration is serving as the needed bellwether that can bring in the new age and save the party.

You've lost nothing, but you want to go to war with the rest of America.
Look towards Venezuela and see what the SJW's have accomplished. This is the result of basing wants on feelings.
Go ahead, start the war you so dearly want......

[Peter1469]

The Alt-R does not vote republican. They hate republicans.

[jet57]

If you really hunk there will be some democrat party revolution you are drinking too much. It ain't happening.
I never said that: go back and re read the OP.

[jet57]

That's a nice liberal narrative. Wrong from the get go. I'll bet it's a rip off of Nancy MacLean’s Democracy in Chains.
Prove that it's wrong.

[jet57]

All things are cyclical. What could have been an historic accomplishment for republicans turned out to be a massive fail at the hands of Trump and his alt right legion

Very well said. The Republicans were handed every opportunity to SHOW the world that they have all the answers and know how to lead the US, but what have they rally done?

[jet57]

The Republican Revolution never really happened. The government didn't actually get smaller. Ot never got smaller.
No, the military just got bigger by 54 billion, so the republicans have no intention of shrinking government; they are just going to change the direction of the rivers of money.

[jet57]

We are in the first qtr of a 4 qtr game and the chickens are being counted. Wonder what's gonna happen when this coup attempt fails?
We are seeing the true face of Republican leadership is what we're seeing. A leadership that leaves both you and I out of the equation and has no intention of doing anything FOR the country.

Bets re re read the OP source article and "contrast and compare" they way we did in college.

[jet57]

All these fortune tellers, lost credibility, that glorious night in November!

History is the greatest fortune teller we have ever had; re read the OP and learn form it.

[Chris]

Prove that it's wrong.

You made the claim, you prove it. Put it in syllogistic form, please.

[Peter1469]

The GOP sucks. The Dems suck worse- hell, they are not even a national party any longer. Regional at best.

[Kalkin]

If nothing else, it kept Cankles out of the White House, so I'd consider it a successful revolution.

[jet57]

You made the claim, you prove it. Put it in syllogistic form, please.


So you can;t disprove the source article.

I didn't think you could: the right-wing can NEVER back up anything you say.

You are - discredited.

[Chris]

So you can;t disprove the source article.

I didn't think you could: the right-wing can NEVER back up anything you say.

You are - discredited.



And you can't prove it. --God I love the prove it gambit!!


BTW, I'm a liberatrain anarchist, you didn't even get that right.


So let's tear the OP down.


So, what we've seen since the "Reagan Revolution" is a Republican party that has been usurped and completely taken over by far right-wing extremism and if history is any judge, the "Alt-right" of the modern Republican era will be over soon.

The Tea Parties tried for almost a decade to take down the Republican establishment. The Tea Parties, standing for less taxes, more liberty and smaller agovernment, are basically libertarian and not rightwinger. The establishment is anything but rightwing. The alt-right is also anti-establishment but those like Milo delight more in trolling the left, and those like Bannon are very progressive and plan to steal Democra thinder like Bush did. So they're not rightwing. And Trump, he's been a liberal all his life. Not rightwing. So your liberal narrative is off kilter.

As far as Rep era being over, why are they in control of the Administration and Congress and when Trump is done nominating, the Court as well. Only way the Rep era is over is if Dems can start winning again, with something better than Clinton. But if Bannan steals your thunder, he says Reps will be in charge for decades. So much for your wishful thinking.

[jet57]

And you can't prove it. --God I love the prove it gambit!!


BTW, I'm a liberatrain anarchist, you didn't even get that right.


So let's tear the OP down.



The Tea Paries tried for almost a decade to take down the Republican establishment. The Tea Parties, standing for less taxes, more liberty and smaller agovernment, are basically libertarian and not rightwinger. The establishment is anything but rightwing. The alt-right is also anti-establishment but those like Milo delight more in trolling the left, and those like Bannon are very progressive and plan to steal Democra thinder like Bush did. So they're not rightwing. And Trump, he's been a liberal all his life. Not rightwing. So your liberal narrative is off kilter.

As far as Rep era being over, why are they in control of the Administration and Congress and when Trump is done nominating, the Court as well. Only way the Rep era is over is if Dems can start winning again, with something better than Clinton. But if Bannan steals your thunder, he says Reps will be in charge for decades. So much for your wishful thinking.
Opinion...

Again; prove the OP wrong

http://www.alternet.org/three-extreme-right-wing-ideologies-have-taken-over-republican-party-and-could-destroy-it-forever

[Peter1469]

The article has some good points- like conservatives see liberal republicans as a bigger problem than Dems. But by-and-large, the bias is so thick you choke on it.

[resister]

History is the greatest fortune teller we have ever had; re read the OP and learn form it.I could feel my IQ dropping as I read it.

[Chris]

Opinion...

Again; prove the OP wrong

http://www.alternet.org/three-extreme-right-wing-ideologies-have-taken-over-republican-party-and-could-destroy-it-forever


Your OP was opinion. This is a forum where people post opinions. No one--least of all you--proves anything on the Internet. All you have is narrative. Your narrative has been torn down. You seem unable to defend it. Why? Because it's standard regurgitated liberal narrative. Links don't do that.

[Chris]

History is the greatest fortune teller we have ever had; re read the OP and learn form it.

Fortune tellers are fake, you know. So were Hegel and Marx in thinking their materialist conception of history was predictive.

[jet57]

I could feel my IQ dropping as I read it.

Yeah, history has a way of making those who don't know it feel stupid.

[jet57]

Your OP was opinion. This is a forum where people post opinions. No one--least of all you--proves anything on the Internet. All you have is narrative. Your narrative has been torn down. You seem unable to defend it. Why? Because it's standard regurgitated liberal narrative. Links don't do that.


Yeah; you have nothing.

You're discredited.

Typical right-wing blather.

[MisterVeritis]

Yeah, history has a way of making those who don't know it feel stupid.
I look forward to discussing "history" with you. I am always interested in brilliant commentary and analysis.

[Agent Zero]

The topic isthe Republic revolution coming to an end. That's true to a point but what's really coming to an end is the radical part of the party, and none too soon.

[MisterVeritis]

The topic isthe Republic revolution coming to an end. That's true to a point but what's really coming to an end is the radical part of the party, and none too soon.
Progressives are the counter-American revolution. You guys stand against individual liberty, don't you?

Didn't you say you are an Obama hold over in the anti-American State Department?

[stjames1_53]

So you can;t disprove the source article.

I didn't think you could: the right-wing can NEVER back up anything you say.

You are - discredited.
it is an opinion, not a fact................there, disproven

[Safety]

Opinion...

Again; prove the OP wrong

http://www.alternet.org/three-extreme-right-wing-ideologies-have-taken-over-republican-party-and-could-destroy-it-forever

That, and the fact that the member that mentioned the Tea Party is a little forgetful about how the party/movement actually formed.


The catalyst for what would become known as the Tea Party movement came on February 19, 2009, when Rick Santelli, a commentator on the business-news network CNBC, referenced the Boston Tea Party (1773) in his response to Pres. Barack Obama’s mortgage relief plan. Speaking from the floor of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, Santelli heatedly stated that the bailout would “subsidize the losers’ mortgages” and proposed a Chicago Tea Party to protest government intervention in the housing market. The five-minute clip became an Internet sensation, and the “Tea Party” rallying cry struck a chord with those who had already seen billions of dollars flow toward sagging financial firms. Unlike previous populist movements, which were characterized by a distrust of business in general and bankers in particular, the Tea Party movement focused its ire at the federal government and extolled the virtues of free market principles....

Within weeks, Tea Party chapters began to appear around the United States, using social media sites such as Facebook to coordinate protest events. They were spurred on by conservative pundits, particularly by Fox News Channel’s Glenn Beck. The generally libertarian character of the movement drew disaffected Republicans to the Tea Party banner, and its antigovernment tone resonated with members of the paramilitary militia movement. Obama himself served as a powerful recruiting tool, as the Tea Party ranks were swelled by “Birthers”—individuals who claimed that Obama had been born outside the United States and was thus not eligible to serve as president (despite a statement by the director of the Hawaii State Department of Health attesting that she had seen Obama’s birth certificate and could confirm that he had been born in the state)—as well as by those who considered Obama a socialist and those who believed that Obama, who frequently discussed his Christianity publicly, was secretly a Muslim.

It started after Obama became president, then disappeared after Trump became president. Bottom line, they were only here to oppose Obama, which is why all of the Tea Party candidates (ie. Sarah Palin, Ted Cruz) were some of the most extreme right people to ever exist. That by itself speaks volumes about how some represent the Libertarian party...

[Ethereal]

That, and the fact that the member that mentioned the Tea Party is a little forgetful about how the party/movement actually formed.



It started after Obama became president, then disappeared after Trump became president. Bottom line, they were only here to oppose Obama, which is why all of the Tea Party candidates (ie. Sarah Palin, Ted Cruz) were some of the most extreme right people to ever exist. That by itself speaks volumes about how some represent the Libertarian party...

Where is the link to that article? Or do you just expect people to believe any information you put in front of them?

Because other research would reveal that the "tea party" started before Obama became president, maybe even years before he became the president depending on how you define the "tea party" movement.

[jet57]

And you can't prove it. --God I love the prove it gambit!!


BTW, I'm a liberatrain anarchist, you didn't even get that right.


So let's tear the OP down.



The Tea Parties tried for almost a decade to take down the Republican establishment. The Tea Parties, standing for less taxes, more liberty and smaller agovernment, are basically libertarian and not rightwinger. The establishment is anything but rightwing. The alt-right is also anti-establishment but those like Milo delight more in trolling the left, and those like Bannon are very progressive and plan to steal Democra thinder like Bush did. So they're not rightwing. And Trump, he's been a liberal all his life. Not rightwing. So your liberal narrative is off kilter.

As far as Rep era being over, why are they in control of the Administration and Congress and when Trump is done nominating, the Court as well. Only way the Rep era is over is if Dems can start winning again, with something better than Clinton. But if Bannan steals your thunder, he says Reps will be in charge for decades. So much for your wishful thinking.

Here, prove this wrong: http://www.theocracywatch.org/

[Safety]

Where is the link to that article? Or do you just expect people to believe any information you put in front of them?

Because other research would reveal that the "tea party" started before Obama became president, maybe even years before he became the president depending on how you define the "tea party" movement.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Tea-Party-movement

Encyclopedia Britannica is pretty trustworthy, considering their history and how many grew up with their encyclopedias. But then again in today's time, belief perseverance is a terrible thing...

[MisterVeritis]

..Bottom line, they were only here to oppose Obama, which is why all of the Tea Party candidates (ie. Sarah Palin, Ted Cruz) were some of the most extreme right people to ever exist. That by itself speaks volumes about how some represent the Libertarian party...
Anyone who supports and defends the Constitution will look extreme to the Constitution's and America's enemies.

[jet57]

That, and the fact that the member that mentioned the Tea Party is a little forgetful about how the party/movement actually formed.



It started after Obama became president, then disappeared after Trump became president. Bottom line, they were only here to oppose Obama, which is why all of the Tea Party candidates (ie. Sarah Palin, Ted Cruz) were some of the most extreme right people to ever exist. That by itself speaks volumes about how some represent the Libertarian party...

The Libertarian party is another branch of the right-wing; nothing more.

Go listen to Mark Levin, he'll prove it to 'ya.

[Ethereal]

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Tea-Party-movement

Britannica is pretty trustworthy, considering their history. But then again in today's time, belief perseverance is a terrible thing...

Studies have found that Wikipedia is just as trustworthy (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4530930.stm). And depending on how you interpret the definition of "tea party", one could argue it goes back to the 1990's or the early 2000's. It was just smaller at the time.

[Ethereal]

The Libertarian party is another branch of the right-wing; nothing more.

Go listen to Mark Levin, he'll prove it to 'ya.

So a party that has supported gay marriage, the end of drug prohibition, and liberal immigration laws are part of the "right wing"?

Interesting theory.

[Safety]

Studies have found that Wikipedia is just as trustworthy (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4530930.stm). And depending on how you interpret the definition of "tea party", one could argue it goes back to the 1990's or the early 2000's. It was just smaller at the time.

Sure, just like one can argue that we never went to the moon, and the World Trade Center was brought down by bombs Bush himself drove to the parking garage.

[stjames1_53]

Sure, just like one can argue that we never went to the moon, and the World Trade Center was brought down by bombs Bush himself drove to the parking garage.
Bush drove a car with bombs in to the WTC? wow, you really are delusional.........

[stjames1_53]

Where is the link to that article? Or do you just expect people to believe any information you put in front of them?

Because other research would reveal that the "tea party" started before Obama became president, maybe even years before he became the president depending on how you define the "tea party" movement.

you misspelled "lie"

[resister]

Yeah, history has a way of making those who don't know it feel stupid.
I prefer, non biased, non alternative history.

[Safety]

Bush drove a car with bombs in to the WTC? wow, you really are delusional.........

I expect a minimal level of competency when reading a post after someone quotes me.

Rif.

[stjames1_53]

I expect a minimal level of competency when reading a post after someone quotes me.

Rif.

you stated that Bush drove the car filled with bombs in it, didn't you?
I'd never heard that one before

[Safety]

So a party that has supported gay marriage, the end of drug prohibition, and liberal immigration laws are part of the "right wing"?

Interesting theory.

Which party are you referring to? One member made the correlation between the tea party and the libertarian party, but yet the majority of tea party members oppose same sex marriage....especially the most visual and vocal candidates such as Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Tea_Party.htm

[Safety]

you stated that Bush drove the car filled with bombs in it, didn't you?
I'd never heard that one before

If you read the entire post, instead of trying to read what you wanted to, a competent person would have seen that I was making an analogy. I believe we went to the moon, just like I believe a group of Saudi Arabian nationalists hijacked two airliners and flew them into the World Trade Center.

[Agent Zero]

Progressives are the counter-American revolution. You guys stand against individual liberty, don't you?

Didn't you say you are an Obama hold over in the anti-American State Department?
99% of the State employees are holdovers. Either people are concerned about working in a department lacking a perceived future, or nobody wants to work for Trump, therefore no positions have been filled. You should applaud those of us who stayed on out of love for our country, not an orange baboon.

You should note, however, that the greater number of employees throughout government are career service employees. We work regardless of whom or what our leader is without partisanship affecting our jobs.

[Kalkin]

99% of the State employees are holdovers. Either people are concerned about working in a department lacking a perceived future, or nobody wants to work for Trump, therefore no positions have been filled. You should applaud those of us who stayed on out of love for our country, not an orange baboon.

Only a fool expects job security when his employer is $20 trillion in debt.

[stjames1_53]

If you read the entire post, instead of trying to read what you wanted to, a competent person would have seen that I was making an analogy. I believe we went to the moon, just like I believe a group of Saudi Arabian nationalists hijacked two airliners and flew them into the World Trade Center.

a pitiful analogy is still a pitiful analogy

[Agent Zero]

Which party are you referring to? One member made the correlation between the tea party and the libertarian party, but yet the majority of tea party members oppose same sex marriage....especially the most visual and vocal candidates such as Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Tea_Party.htm
I used to laugh when I read that the tea party and libertarians want to stay out of other people's business and demand less regulation....then turn around and try to tell the world what's right, what's wrong, and what to do.

Not anymore, both groups, either individually or together (since neither one has a purpose or significant following) will never advance further than they have.

[Captain Obvious]

ohhhnoooes...

[jet57]

So a party that has supported gay marriage, the end of drug prohibition, and liberal immigration laws are part of the "right wing"?

Interesting theory.
Prove me wrong.

[jet57]

I prefer, non biased, non alternative history.

Post one that refutes me.

[Ethereal]

Sure, just like one can argue that we never went to the moon, and the World Trade Center was brought down by bombs Bush himself drove to the parking garage.
lol

[Ethereal]

Which party are you referring to?

Wow...

[Ethereal]

...a competent person would have seen that I was making an analogy.
Yea, an extremely poor one.

[Ethereal]

I used to laugh when I read that the tea party and libertarians want to stay out of other people's business and demand less regulation....then turn around and try to tell the world what's right, what's wrong, and what to do.

Not anymore, both groups, either individually or together (since neither one has a purpose or significant following) will never advance further than they have.
When have libertarians tried to tell other people how to live their lives, except to say you cannot violate the equal rights of others?

[Ethereal]

Prove me wrong.
I just did.

The Libertarian Party has openly supported gay marriage, the end of drug prohibition, and liberal immigration laws since it was founded in the 1970's. This is news to you?

[Kalkin]

I used to laugh when I read that the tea party and libertarians want to stay out of other people's business and demand less regulation....then turn around and try to tell the world what's right, what's wrong, and what to do.
Expressing opinions on how things should be is far different from advocating the government mandate your views, not that I expect you to understand such significant subtleties.

[Chris]

Yeah; you have nothing.

You're discredited.

Typical right-wing blather.


I know you are, what about me?

[Chris]

The topic isthe Republic revolution coming to an end. That's true to a point but what's really coming to an end is the radical part of the party, and none too soon.

The radical part? Republicans? Radical? That's an oxymoron.

[Peter1469]

The topic isthe Republic revolution coming to an end. That's true to a point but what's really coming to an end is the radical part of the party, and none too soon.
The problem is the Establishment part of the party.

[Peter1469]

That, and the fact that the member that mentioned the Tea Party is a little forgetful about how the party/movement actually formed.



It started after Obama became president, then disappeared after Trump became president. Bottom line, they were only here to oppose Obama, which is why all of the Tea Party candidates (ie. Sarah Palin, Ted Cruz) were some of the most extreme right people to ever exist. That by itself speaks volumes about how some represent the Libertarian party...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcvSjKCU_Zo

Obama was not a factor. His policies were.

The Tea Party(ies) did not catch on because most Americans want big government and unsustainable spending.

Statists hated the Tea Party(ies).

[Chris]

That, and the fact that the member that mentioned the Tea Party is a little forgetful about how the party/movement actually formed.



It started after Obama became president, then disappeared after Trump became president. Bottom line, they were only here to oppose Obama, which is why all of the Tea Party candidates (ie. Sarah Palin, Ted Cruz) were some of the most extreme right people to ever exist. That by itself speaks volumes about how some represent the Libertarian party...

THe member who brought up the Tea Parties remembers Santelli's rant quite well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp-Jw-5Kx8k

It had nothing to do with Obama but presidents like Obama, Bush comes to mind, who bailed big boanks and big busioness.

You're also confused about my being libertarian, not Libertarian.

[Peter1469]

I used to laugh when I read that the tea party and libertarians want to stay out of other people's business and demand less regulation....then turn around and try to tell the world what's right, what's wrong, and what to do.

Not anymore, both groups, either individually or together (since neither one has a purpose or significant following) will never advance further than they have.
Big Government types claimed they were Tea Party(ies) and stupid people beleived them.

[Chris]

Here, prove this wrong: http://www.theocracywatch.org/


And now you toss in a rant about the religious right?

Prove it right.

Do you even know what prove means?

[Chris]

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Tea-Party-movement

Encyclopedia Britannica is pretty trustworthy, considering their history and how many grew up with their encyclopedias. But then again in today's time, belief perseverance is a terrible thing...

Your link says "Tea Party movement, conservative populist social and political movement that emerged in 2009 in the United States, generally opposing excessive taxation and government intervention in the private sector while supporting stronger immigration controls."

Do you even read what you link to?

[Chris]

The Libertarian party is another branch of the right-wing; nothing more.

Go listen to Mark Levin, he'll prove it to 'ya.


Good Lord, you really know nothng if you don't know the difference between libertarian and Libertarian Party and both of those and rightwing.

[Chris]

Which party are you referring to? One member made the correlation between the tea party and the libertarian party, but yet the majority of tea party members oppose same sex marriage....especially the most visual and vocal candidates such as Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Tea_Party.htm


You really are confused. I said the Tea Parties were about less taxes, more liberty, and smaller government, and that that is libertarian. I said nothing about the Libertarian Party.

Had you been a Tea Party member you would know that when some tried to interject religious themes they were rejected. I know, I was there. You, what, were reading leftwing distortions and lies? And believing them. LOL.

[Chris]

I used to laugh when I read that the tea party and libertarians want to stay out of other people's business and demand less regulation....then turn around and try to tell the world what's right, what's wrong, and what to do.

Not anymore, both groups, either individually or together (since neither one has a purpose or significant following) will never advance further than they have.



https://i.snag.gy/QY0MUn.jpg

[Chris]

The stupidity of this troll thread is in even thinking the duplicitous struggle between the duopoly holds any significance in the grander scheme of things and sweep of history.

[jet57]

I just did.

The Libertarian Party has openly supported gay marriage, the end of drug prohibition, and liberal immigration laws since it was founded in the 1970's. This is news to you?

Libertarians are against gun control. Libertarians are anti-abortion. Libertarians are for "school choice". Libertarians are anti-union.

Like I said; another arm of the right-wing.

[jet57]

And now you toss in a rant about the religious right?

Prove it right.

Do you even know what prove means?
And so you can't do it. You can't credibly refute my arguments.

good

[jet57]

Good Lord, you really know nothng if you don't know the difference between libertarian and Libertarian Party and both of those and rightwing.


https://www.lp.org/platform/

It's all in there.

[Peter1469]

Libertarians are against gun control. Libertarians are anti-abortion. Libertarians are for "school choice". Libertarians are anti-union.

Like I said; another arm of the right-wing.


R= zero government

add government as you move L.

Absolute government = far left.

You see to get it. Bravo.

[ripmeister]

No, the military just got bigger by 54 billion, so the republicans have no intention of shrinking government; they are just going to change the direction of the rivers of money.

Agreed. It's never been about the amount. It's just where it's spent and where it comes from.

[Safety]

a pitiful analogy is still a pitiful analogy

Considering my surroundings, it was f'king spot on.

[stjames1_53]

Libertarians are against gun control. Libertarians are anti-abortion. Libertarians are for "school choice". Libertarians are anti-union.
Like I said; another arm of the right-wing.

what gun control? It is the snowflakes that want to take the guns away,. When you talk about gun control that what's you're talking about.
People of good moral construct are anti-abortion, but don't make it known.
public education...you're a product of public education. Do you believe that people should have no choice about where and by whom their children are educated? Or that they should have no say in the matter.......
I know several people who are Libertarians, they couldn't give a rat's fart about unions.
Now let's look at the dem platforms....
resist, insult
resist, demean
resist, support murder of Congressmen
resist, burn the town down
resist, tear the country apart
resist............
seems pretty basic to me, "resist or die" is the only thing the dems have going for them today........
I'd say the libertarians are a lot more peaceful than the dems

[Safety]

You really are confused. I said the Tea Parties were about less taxes, more liberty, and smaller government, and that that is libertarian. I said nothing about the Libertarian Party.

Had you been a Tea Party member you would know that when some tried to interject religious themes they were rejected. I know, I was there. You, what, were reading leftwing distortions and lies? And believing them. LOL.

Ah, yes, you want to play with semantics now...while you never said "libertarian party", you said they were basically "libertarian". Wow, ok.

I must tear down Bethere for being a democrat and not being part of the democratic party....

:rollseyes:



And you can't prove it. --God I love the prove it gambit!!


BTW, I'm a liberatrain anarchist, you didn't even get that right.


So let's tear the OP down.



The Tea Parties tried for almost a decade to take down the Republican establishment. The Tea Parties, standing for less taxes, more liberty and smaller agovernment, are basically libertarian and not rightwinger. The establishment is anything but rightwing. The alt-right is also anti-establishment but those like Milo delight more in trolling the left, and those like Bannon are very progressive and plan to steal Democra thinder like Bush did. So they're not rightwing. And Trump, he's been a liberal all his life. Not rightwing. So your liberal narrative is off kilter.

As far as Rep era being over, why are they in control of the Administration and Congress and when Trump is done nominating, the Court as well. Only way the Rep era is over is if Dems can start winning again, with something better than Clinton. But if Bannan steals your thunder, he says Reps will be in charge for decades. So much for your wishful thinking.

[Safety]

Your link says "Tea Party movement, conservative populist social and political movement that emerged in 2009 in the United States, generally opposing excessive taxation and government intervention in the private sector while supporting stronger immigration controls."

Do you even read what you link to?

Did it show a date when it "emerged"? Are you daft, or do you recognize that it started in 2009? That flies in the face of anyone that insists that it started before Obama got in office. Now, I'm fully aware of the need to say it started before 2009, but that would be nothing but a futile exercise in alternative facts. Why doesn't everyone just change the dates of history to reflect their argument...how about the civil war actually started in 1964, or MLK was shot in 1992, etc..

[Chris]

And so you can't do it. You can't credibly refute my arguments.

good

And you can't prove--no, you are incapable of even discussing the ideas you merely post links to.

[Chris]

https://www.lp.org/platform/

It's all in there.


My point was you don't know the difference between libertarian and Libertarian Party. Posting a mere link to the LP platform says nothing. Another fail.

[Chris]

Ah, yes, you want to play with semantics now...while you never said "libertarian party", you said they were basically "libertarian". Wow, ok.

I must tear down Bethere for being a democrat and not being part of the democratic party....

:rollseyes:



Ah, yes, you want to play with semantics now...while you never said "libertarian party", you said they were basically "libertarian". Wow, ok.

I said the basic demands of the Tea Parties--less taxes, smaller government and more libertarian were libertarian, yes, but you twisted that into equating them with the Libertarian Party, a major goof.



I must tear down @Bethere for being a democrat and not being part of the democratic party....

Why would I care what you do with your buddy?

Oh, wait, whataboutism strikes again!!

[jet57]

Agreed. It's never been about the amount. It's just where it's spent and where it comes from.

Atts'a riiight! The Republicans ARE big gummit and they will go out of their way to make sure you know that.

90 executive orders in 6 months! What other president has made 90 executive orders in 6 months?

It's going to be fun to watch their Titanic go down though.

[stjames1_53]

My point was you don't know the difference between libertarian and Libertarian Party. Posting a mere link to the LP platform says nothing. Another fail.
there it is..........I'm a conservative but detest having to declare one party or the other to vote. Here in Indiana, one must vote straight ticket for primaries. That infringes on my Right to vote.

[jet57]

My point was you don't know the difference between libertarian and Libertarian Party. Posting a mere link to the LP platform says nothing. Another fail.

Your point is - you can't refute what I said about Libertarians being an arm of the right-wing; that's your point.

[jet57]

And you can't prove--no, you are incapable of even discussing the ideas you merely post links to.

I prove everything I say dude.

Try reading.

[stjames1_53]

Atts'a riiight! The Republicans ARE big gummit and they will go out of their way to make sure you know that.

90 executive orders in 6 months! What other president has made 90 executive orders in 6 months?

It's going to be fun to watch their Titanic go down though.

this has already been discussed. Trump's spending a bunch of time undoing Obama's regulations and policies. he ain't done yet......

[Chris]

Your point is - you can't refute what I said about Libertarians being an arm of the right-wing; that's your point.

You've already proven you don't know the difference between libertarian and Libertarian.

Also, you yourself have said nothing at all in this thread, merely posted links to other people's opinions, opinions you are incapable of discussing.

[stjames1_53]

Your point is - you can't refute what I said about Libertarians being an arm of the right-wing; that's your point.
you must of missed this post, so out of a bit of courtesy, I'll repost just for you:

what gun control? It is the snowflakes that want to take the guns away,. When you talk about gun control that what's you're talking about.
People of good moral construct are anti-abortion, but don't make it known.
public education...you're a product of public education. Do you believe that people should have no choice about where and by whom their children are educated? Or that they should have no say in the matter.......
I know several people who are Libertarians, they couldn't give a rat's fart about unions.
Now let's look at the dem platforms....
resist, insult
resist, demean
resist, support murder of Congressmen
resist, burn the town down
resist, tear the country apart
resist............
seems pretty basic to me, "resist or die" is the only thing the dems have going for them today........
I'd say the libertarians are a lot more peaceful than the dems

[Chris]

I prove everything I say dude.

Try reading.



You post links to other people's opinions. You yourself prove let alone say nothing.

[jet57]

You've already proven you don't know the difference between libertarian and Libertarian.

Also, you yourself have said nothing at all in this thread, merely posted links to other people's opinions, opinions you are incapable of discussing.
When did I say I was going to list the difference? I said that Libertarians are an arm of the right-wing and I posted the platform to prove it.


You see yourself as a "libertine" I suppose. Good for you; go run for office.

[Chris]

there it is..........I'm a conservative but detest having to declare one party or the other to vote. Here in Indiana, one must vote straight ticket for primaries. That infringes on my Right to vote.

I don't vote. I refuse to let mediocre parties pretend to give me choices.

(I'm considering voting for the TX governor as he just promised to lower property taxes.)

[Chris]

When did I say I was going to list the difference? I said that Libertarians are an arm of the right-wing and I posted the platform to prove it.


You see yourself as a "libertine" I suppose. Good for you; go run for office.



Stop trolling already. Libertine, that's such an old troll. Find some new material. Something original, not mere links to other's opinions.

[stjames1_53]

I don't vote. I refuse to let mediocre parties pretend to give me choices.

(I'm considering voting for the TX governor as he just promised to lower property taxes.)

I voted this time to keep Hillary and her wh0remongering husband out of the WH. I voted for Pence when he ran. I ended up at odds with his policy. Seemed too puritanical in a progressive manner. They best hope they don't get Trump.......Pence will screw them all up

[jet57]

You post links to other people's opinions. You yourself prove let alone say nothing.

My posts link to credible researched work that you can't refute.

So, go out and do some of your own research and gather some credible material that says I don't know what I'm talking about.

Then - run for president as a "libertine"...

[Chris]

Prove that it's wrong.


So you can;t disprove the source article.

I didn't think you could: the right-wing can NEVER back up anything you say.

You are - discredited.


Opinion...

Again; prove the OP wrong

http://www.alternet.org/three-extreme-right-wing-ideologies-have-taken-over-republican-party-and-could-destroy-it-forever


Yeah; you have nothing.

You're discredited.

Typical right-wing blather.


Here, prove this wrong: http://www.theocracywatch.org/


And so you can't do it. You can't credibly refute my arguments.

good


https://www.lp.org/platform/

It's all in there.


Your point is - you can't refute what I said about Libertarians being an arm of the right-wing; that's your point.


I prove everything I say dude.

Try reading.


When did I say I was going to list the difference? I said that Libertarians are an arm of the right-wing and I posted the platform to prove it.


You see yourself as a "libertine" I suppose. Good for you; go run for office.


My posts link to credible researched work that you can't refute.

So, go out and do some of your own research and gather some credible material that says I don't know what I'm talking about.

Then - run for president as a "libertine"...




The totality of your posts to me. You call that proof. I call it trolling.

[jet57]

Stop trolling already. Libertine, that's such an old troll. Find some new material. Something original, not mere links to other's opinions.


Can't refute it can you.

[Chris]

Can't refute it can you.

Refute what, that you're trolling? I've proven that by demonstration.

[stjames1_53]

Can't refute it can you.

Atlantis doesn't exist.
Disprove that...........same difference

[Safety]

Your point is - you can't refute what I said about Libertarians being an arm of the right-wing; that's your point.

It's a distinction without a difference. It's fruitless to try and discuss it with someone who will argue about it until your ISP shuts down.

[jet57]

Refute what, that you're trolling? I've proven that by demonstration.

(chuckle)

whatever junior

[Peter1469]

Atts'a riiight! The Republicans ARE big gummit and they will go out of their way to make sure you know that.

90 executive orders in 6 months! What other president has made 90 executive orders in 6 months?

It's going to be fun to watch their Titanic go down though.

A smart person would ask what the EOs did. Did they create law, or did they impliment it.

Oh never mind.

Others can think these things out for you.

[jet57]

It's a distinction without a difference. It's fruitless to try and discuss it with someone who will argue about it until your ISP shuts down.


He doesn't argue very well either: he doesn't know what a "libertine" is, yet he believes there's some sort of difference between a US libertarian and the Libertarian party. He just goes for the "your trolling" cop-out when he finds himself pinned in.

[Peter1469]

He doesn't argue very well either: he doesn't know what a "libertine" is, yet he believes there's some sort of difference between a US libertarian and the Libertarian party. He just goes for the "your trolling" cop-out when he finds himself pinned in.


lol

God loves stupid people.

Yes libertarian is not Libertarian.... This is elementary stuff.

[jet57]

A smart person would ask what the EOs did. Did they create law, or did they impliment it.

Oh never mind.

Others can think these things out for you.

(chuckle)

How about you just try and refute the point.

They enforced Trump's will is what they did.

[jet57]

lol

God loves stupid people.

Yes libertarian is not Libertarian.... This is elementary stuff.

Then you should be in God's good hands.

Now; prove the elementary - stuff.

[Adelaide]

Discuss the topic, not each other.

[stjames1_53]

http://www.alternet.org/three-extrem...roy-it-forever (http://www.alternet.org/three-extreme-right-wing-ideologies-have-taken-over-republican-party-and-could-destroy-it-forever)
This is an opinion piece, not a study, so, so-called "facts" are irrelevant

as is this: http://www.theocracywatch.org/
Opinions are not studies. They lack relevance.
Studies contain facts which can be disputed or reinforced.
some people are adept at spinning the most simple things into complex lies, based on opinion rather than facts..
I suspect anything that is based on opinion. Somewhere this is a grain of truth that is misrepresented and spun into a lie, via opinion.
Example: Trump shakes hands oddly...that might be truth, but spinning it into Trump has mental issues, because he shakes hands differently than YOU, somehow equates into some mental illness.
That is an opinion. And can only be a misrepresentation of facts.
Opinions usually contain little to no facts, just personal perception..........

[donttread]

So, what we've seen since the "Reagan Revolution" is a Republican party that has been usurped and completely taken over by far right-wing extremism and if history is any judge, the "Alt-right" of the modern Republican era will be over soon.
Below are excerpts from an article that very well documents how such a one sided right-wing revolution failed once before and ushered in the era of Roosevelt progressivism.
https://qz.com/831432/a-political-historian-explains-why-republicans-shift-to-alt-right-nationalism-could-backfire/

Following the Civil war –

What we see about history repeating itself is pretty damning for the Republicans and the Trump administration is serving as the needed bellwether that can bring in the new age and save the party.


Far more complex than that . They still have a section of the party that wants to abide by the Constitution ( Like Rnd Paul) . Then admittedly there are the fiscal lib, social cons, me first, war mongering, fuck everybody else neocons.
But the dems only discernible platform hihges on keeping the poor , poor and calling everything from A-Z racism whether it is or not.
Of the three I choose the Constitutionist with a dose of Green libs and social programs at the state level.

[jet57]

Far more complex than that . They still have a section of the party that wants to abide by the Constitution ( Like Rnd Paul) . Then admittedly there are the fiscal lib, social cons, me first, war mongering, $#@! everybody else neocons.
But the dems only discernible platform hihges on keeping the poor , poor and calling everything from A-Z racism whether it is or not.
Of the three I choose the Constitutionist with a dose of Green libs and social programs at the state level.

I can't disagree with you. I haven't seen any Constitutionalists that really stick to the constitution though. I am for green technology and a more FDR demand side Democratic platform; if only some of the Dems had the balls for it.

[stjames1_53]

I can't disagree with you. I haven't seen any Constitutionalists that really stick to the constitution though. I am for green technology and a more FDR demand side Democratic platform; if only some of the Dems had the balls for it.

reinforcing entitlements and creating a burden on those who work....more socialism is the answer hahahahahahahahaha that's a stupid idea

[donttread]

I can't disagree with you. I haven't seen any Constitutionalists that really stick to the constitution though. I am for green technology and a more FDR demand side Democratic platform; if only some of the Dems had the balls for it.


The Pauls are a good example.

[Tahuyaman]

So, what we've seen since the "Reagan Revolution" is a Republican party that has been usurped and completely taken over by far right-wing extremism and if history is any judge, the "Alt-right" of the modern Republican era will be over soon..



That is absolutely false.


The Republican party has been compromised by the liberal big government Republican in the form of the Susan Collins types. They tried to out Democrat the Democrats by attempting to be everything to everyone. They have tried to represent all political points of view, so they have ended up representing nothing.

[Tahuyaman]

I can't disagree with you. I haven't seen any Constitutionalists that really stick to the constitution though. I am for green technology and a more FDR demand side Democratic platform; if only some of the Dems had the balls for it.


How is that philosophy sticking to the constitutional principles which places limits on the power of government?

[jet57]

The Pauls are a good example.

Example of what; Constitutionalists?

sure they are

Everybody who runs for office is a constitutionalist, they have to be; it won't work any other way. This business of being a "constitutionalist" is nonsense aimed at the ignorant.

[stjames1_53]

Example of what; Constitutionalists?

sure they are

Everybody who runs for office is a constitutionalist, they have to be; it won't work any other way. This business of being a "constitutionalist" is nonsense aimed at the ignorant.

The OP staes the revolutionis nearing its end.
If you've never seen war, you can not equate what is going on as a revolution. People die in a revolution. An era might be a better term