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Dr. Who
07-27-2017, 11:38 AM
Donald Trump set to punish entire state of Alaska because its senators voted against his health care motion

Interior Secretary reportedly makes 'troubling' calls to senators after vote

Donald Trump (http://www.independent.co.uk/topic/DonaldTrump)’s administration has reportedly threatened to isolate Alaska (http://www.independent.co.uk/topic/Alaska) after a senator from the state voted against the President’s health care motion (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/healthcare-latest-trumpcare-passes-trump-john-mccain-republicans-senate-debate-motion-news-a7860091.html).

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-alaska-us-senator-obamacare-repeal-bill-healthcare-republican-vote-lisa-murkowski-a7862341.html


Trump administration threatens retribution against Alaska over Murkowski health votes



WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump isn't going to just let go of Sen. Lisa Murkowski's no vote Tuesday against debating Obamacare repeal.


Early Wednesday, Trump took to Twitter to express displeasure with Murkowski's vote. By that afternoon, each of Alaska's two Republican senators had received a phone call from Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke letting them know the vote had put Alaska's future with the administration in jeopardy.


The response follows Trump's no-holds-barred style of governing, even when it comes to his own party. It is his first strike of retaliation against Murkowski, however, despite her tendency to stray from the party line and the president's priorities.


Alaska Sen. Dan Sullivan said the call from Zinke heralded a "troubling message."


"I'm not going to go into the details, but I fear that the strong economic growth, pro-energy, pro-mining, pro-jobs and personnel from Alaska who are part of those policies are going to stop," Sullivan said.

https://www.adn.com/politics/2017/07/26/trump-administration-signals-that-murkowskis-health-care-vote-could-have-energy-repercussions-for-alaska/


Rather interesting my way or the highway approach.

stjames1_53
07-27-2017, 11:45 AM
Donald Trump set to punish entire state of Alaska because its senators voted against his health care motion

Interior Secretary reportedly makes 'troubling' calls to senators after vote

Donald Trump (http://www.independent.co.uk/topic/DonaldTrump)’s administration has reportedly threatened to isolate Alaska (http://www.independent.co.uk/topic/Alaska) after a senator from the state voted against the President’s health care motion (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/healthcare-latest-trumpcare-passes-trump-john-mccain-republicans-senate-debate-motion-news-a7860091.html).

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-alaska-us-senator-obamacare-repeal-bill-healthcare-republican-vote-lisa-murkowski-a7862341.html


Trump administration threatens retribution against Alaska over Murkowski health votes



WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump isn't going to just let go of Sen. Lisa Murkowski's no vote Tuesday against debating Obamacare repeal.


Early Wednesday, Trump took to Twitter to express displeasure with Murkowski's vote. By that afternoon, each of Alaska's two Republican senators had received a phone call from Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke letting them know the vote had put Alaska's future with the administration in jeopardy.


The response follows Trump's no-holds-barred style of governing, even when it comes to his own party. It is his first strike of retaliation against Murkowski, however, despite her tendency to stray from the party line and the president's priorities.


Alaska Sen. Dan Sullivan said the call from Zinke heralded a "troubling message."


"I'm not going to go into the details, but I fear that the strong economic growth, pro-energy, pro-mining, pro-jobs and personnel from Alaska who are part of those policies are going to stop," Sullivan said.

https://www.adn.com/politics/2017/07/26/trump-administration-signals-that-murkowskis-health-care-vote-could-have-energy-repercussions-for-alaska/


Rather interesting my way or the highway approach.





we should all be used to it by now after 8 years of the same thing from Obama's Chicago styled arm twisting

Standing Wolf
07-27-2017, 11:53 AM
we should all be used to it by now after 8 years of the same thing from Obama's Chicago styled arm twisting

Link? Citation? Reference?

Anything?

stjames1_53
07-27-2017, 12:00 PM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/100589-obama-back-in-windy-city-as-charges-of-chicago-style-politics-step-up

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2010/03/obama_softly_threatens_dennis.html

http://bwcentral.org/2013/10/obamas-strategy-make-it-hurt/

"...I'll make them an offer they can't refuse"
"I don't need Congress, I have a pen and a phone."

del
07-27-2017, 12:02 PM
Link? Citation? Reference?

Anything?

rhetorical questions, i assume

for trumplings, if it feels right, it's a fact

Kalkin
07-27-2017, 12:03 PM
What is the "punishment"?

stjames1_53
07-27-2017, 12:05 PM
rhetorical questions, i assume

for trumplings, if it feels right, it's a fact

feeling particularly lost today? You've fallen back on insults without reading the preceding post

Dr. Who
07-27-2017, 12:05 PM
What is the "punishment"?

Efforts and issues on the line include nominations (https://www.adn.com/politics/2017/07/19/trump-names-alaskan-to-interior-department-post/) of Alaskans (https://www.adn.com/politics/2017/05/30/murkowski-campaign-chief-named-to-interior-department-post/) to Interior posts, an effort to build a road out of King Cove (https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/rural-alaska/2017/07/20/bill-allowing-a-road-from-king-cove-to-cold-bay-passes-u-s-house/) through the Izembek National Wildlife Refuge, and future opportunities to drill in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (https://www.adn.com/business-economy/energy/2017/07/19/congressional-budget-subtly-bores-a-path-to-drilling-in-anwr/) and expand drilling in the National Petroleum Reserve-Alaska (https://www.adn.com/business-economy/energy/2017/06/10/conservation-groups-girding-for-battle-over-national-petroleum-reserve-in-alaska/), among other regulatory issues that are a priority for Murkowski and Sullivan.

del
07-27-2017, 12:08 PM
feeling particularly lost today? You've fallen back on insults without reading the preceding post

the preceding post proves my point


what insult?

Tahuyaman
07-27-2017, 12:09 PM
I'm wondering why Murkowski and others voted "no" to even open debate on how to fix the health care financing system.

Kalkin
07-27-2017, 12:10 PM
Efforts and issues on the line include nominations (https://www.adn.com/politics/2017/07/19/trump-names-alaskan-to-interior-department-post/) of Alaskans (https://www.adn.com/politics/2017/05/30/murkowski-campaign-chief-named-to-interior-department-post/) to Interior posts, an effort to build a road out of King Cove (https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/rural-alaska/2017/07/20/bill-allowing-a-road-from-king-cove-to-cold-bay-passes-u-s-house/) through the Izembek National Wildlife Refuge, and future opportunities to drill in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (https://www.adn.com/business-economy/energy/2017/07/19/congressional-budget-subtly-bores-a-path-to-drilling-in-anwr/) and expand drilling in the National Petroleum Reserve-Alaska (https://www.adn.com/business-economy/energy/2017/06/10/conservation-groups-girding-for-battle-over-national-petroleum-reserve-in-alaska/), among other regulatory issues that are a priority for Murkowski and Sullivan.

That's hardly a punishment on all Alaskans. However, if they are unhappy with the repercussions of their vote for senator, they can install someone else next time.

Dr. Who
07-27-2017, 12:16 PM
I'm wondering why Murkowski and others voted "no" to even open debate on how to fix the health care financing system.

"I voted no on the motion to proceed today because I didn't think that we were ready for the debate. And I have said pretty consistently that process really does matter, particularly when you're dealing with something that is as direct and personal as health care, something that has an impact on one-sixth of the nation's economy," Murkowski said in an interview Tuesday evening after the vote. "This is big, and then you throw in major Medicaid reform on top of that," she said.


Murkowski argued that revisions to the Affordable Care Act, often called "Obamacare," are necessary, but that the Senate process has not been conducive to crafting good policy, "enduring policy."
https://www.adn.com/politics/2017/07/25/lisa-murkowski-voted-no-on-her-partys-health-care-motion-heres-why/

Tahuyaman
07-27-2017, 12:35 PM
They are never going to be ready for this debate. They've had seven years to get ready. They have no guts what so ever and all they can do is make excuses for their lack of action.

Common Sense
07-27-2017, 12:36 PM
Despicable behaviour. It's akin to blackmail.

Kalkin
07-27-2017, 12:41 PM
They are never going to be ready for this debate. They've had seven years to get ready. They have no guts what so ever and all they can do is make excuses for their lack of action.

Here's what it comes down to: Do they have the guts to say no to wealth redistribution in the name of healthcare?

exotix
07-27-2017, 12:43 PM
What is the "punishment"?Locked in a closet with this ... http://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1478265286/_0_drivedevil_gl7fz5.gif



http://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1486784972/4587_om68vj.jpg

Tahuyaman
07-27-2017, 12:51 PM
Here's what it comes down to: Do they have the guts to say no to wealth redistribution in the name of healthcare?


They don't, because for some reason we have now come to a place where your personal heath care has become a right which needs to be provided by government.

Kalkin
07-27-2017, 01:17 PM
Locked in a closet with this ... http://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1478265286/_0_drivedevil_gl7fz5.gif



http://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1486784972/4587_om68vj.jpg
Are you gay or something?

Standing Wolf
07-27-2017, 01:29 PM
Did you even bother to read any of the pieces you posted links to?


http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/100589-obama-back-in-windy-city-as-charges-of-chicago-style-politics-step-up

An article quoting several Republican lawmakers and officials accusing President Obama of "arm twisting" or "Chicago style politics" - with zero examples or explanations.



http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2010/03/obama_softly_threatens_dennis.html

Someone's blogpost (or something) detailing how President Obama "threatened" Dennis Kucinich...by saying his name during a speech. :huh:


http://bwcentral.org/2013/10/obamas-strategy-make-it-hurt/

A list of government agencies, parks, etc., that were shut down or which curtailed services during a government shutdown. Okay...

You should really go back and read the article cited in the OP. Nothing you've linked to is in any way relevant to what Trump is doing - at all.

Standing Wolf
07-27-2017, 01:30 PM
the preceding post proves my point


what insult?

It's "Ad Hominem Fever". Apparently it's contagious.

stjames1_53
07-27-2017, 01:34 PM
the preceding post proves my point


what insult?


Trumplings,
it was intended as your usual insult/slur
That might be considered cute for a 5 yr old, but not an adult
grow up..........
and don't lay claim to my truth

Peter1469
07-27-2017, 01:35 PM
politics?

Casper
07-27-2017, 01:48 PM
That's hardly a punishment on all Alaskans. However, if they are unhappy with the repercussions of their vote for senator, they can install someone else next time.

Or they can vote for someone other than a Repub in 2020 for the WH, choices, there are more than one.

MisterVeritis
07-27-2017, 01:53 PM
The Hypocritical Six should be punished in every possible way. Take them out of committees. Cut all pork to their states. Move them to less desirable office spaces. Harm them in every possible way. Move military and other government facilities out of their states. End all discretionary spending in their states.

Common
07-27-2017, 02:03 PM
Every president does this arm twisting on bills they want. Do I agree with it, no I do not but its not only trump they all do it.

Beevee
07-27-2017, 02:13 PM
the preceding post proves my point


what insult?

You're a liberal. You're alive. That's sufficient to be insulting to a deplorable.

exotix
07-27-2017, 02:26 PM
politics?Daily, hour by minute vulgar spectacle coming from Trump and this Admin ...

Ethereal
07-27-2017, 02:28 PM
A list of government agencies, parks, etc., that were shut down or which curtailed services during a government shutdown. Okay...

That is actually a perfectly legitimate example of Obama being vindictive and petty.

During the so-called "shutdown", Obama essentially threw a temper tantrum and started walling off open-air monuments and parks, cordoning off the parking lot of a privately managed establishment, and even going so far as to declare miles and miles of open ocean off limits to the public. It actually cost more resources to do those things than it would have to simply do nothing at all. Obama was just trying to make it seem like the government was being "shutdown" when it really wasn't. Obama's behavior during the "shutdown" makes Trump's alleged threats look tame in comparison.

Kalkin
07-27-2017, 02:37 PM
Or they can vote for someone other than a Repub in 2020 for the WH, choices, there are more than one.

Indeed. Choices are what got Trump elected.

Casper
07-27-2017, 05:29 PM
The Hypocritical Six should be punished in every possible way. Take them out of committees. Cut all pork to their states. Move them to less desirable office spaces. Harm them in every possible way. Move military and other government facilities out of their states. End all discretionary spending in their states.
Most of that is not within the powers of the President, you know that right? Oh and want to watch a Red State turn Blue, attack the citizens, and yes that what it equates to, and there goes another State, stupidity at its finest. By the way, Strong Arm Tactics such as what is being suggested are always a sign of weakness in ones own abilities, bullies always end up with black eyes and bloody noses sooner or later.

Peter1469
07-27-2017, 05:35 PM
daily, hour by minute vulgar spectacle coming from trump and this admin ...
tds

MisterVeritis
07-27-2017, 06:05 PM
Most of that is not within the powers of the President, you know that right? Oh and want to watch a Red State turn Blue, attack the citizens, and yes that what it equates to, and there goes another State, stupidity at its finest. By the way, Strong Arm Tactics such as what is being suggested are always a sign of weakness in ones own abilities, bullies always end up with black eyes and bloody noses sooner or later.
Not one time did I mention the President.

MisterVeritis
07-27-2017, 06:07 PM
Most of that is not within the powers of the President, you know that right? Oh and want to watch a Red State turn Blue, attack the citizens, and yes that what it equates to, and there goes another State, stupidity at its finest. By the way, Strong Arm Tactics such as what is being suggested are always a sign of weakness in ones own abilities, bullies always end up with black eyes and bloody noses sooner or later.
The Hypocritical Six need to pay a very high price for their perfidy. They have set the nation on a downward spiral.

May they, and their staffs all die in one-car accidents. Soon. And McCain, now I want that bastard to really suffer. May he die slowly.

Captain Obvious
07-27-2017, 06:56 PM
Alaska should be punished for giving us Sarah Palin

donttread
07-27-2017, 06:57 PM
Donald Trump set to punish entire state of Alaska because its senators voted against his health care motion

Interior Secretary reportedly makes 'troubling' calls to senators after vote

Donald Trump (http://www.independent.co.uk/topic/DonaldTrump)’s administration has reportedly threatened to isolate Alaska (http://www.independent.co.uk/topic/Alaska) after a senator from the state voted against the President’s health care motion (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/healthcare-latest-trumpcare-passes-trump-john-mccain-republicans-senate-debate-motion-news-a7860091.html).

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-alaska-us-senator-obamacare-repeal-bill-healthcare-republican-vote-lisa-murkowski-a7862341.html


Trump administration threatens retribution against Alaska over Murkowski health votes



WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump isn't going to just let go of Sen. Lisa Murkowski's no vote Tuesday against debating Obamacare repeal.


Early Wednesday, Trump took to Twitter to express displeasure with Murkowski's vote. By that afternoon, each of Alaska's two Republican senators had received a phone call from Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke letting them know the vote had put Alaska's future with the administration in jeopardy.


The response follows Trump's no-holds-barred style of governing, even when it comes to his own party. It is his first strike of retaliation against Murkowski, however, despite her tendency to stray from the party line and the president's priorities.


Alaska Sen. Dan Sullivan said the call from Zinke heralded a "troubling message."


"I'm not going to go into the details, but I fear that the strong economic growth, pro-energy, pro-mining, pro-jobs and personnel from Alaska who are part of those policies are going to stop," Sullivan said.

https://www.adn.com/politics/2017/07/26/trump-administration-signals-that-murkowskis-health-care-vote-could-have-energy-repercussions-for-alaska/


Rather interesting my way or the highway approach.





If we were the country we are supposed to be Trump would have little say over Alaska's economy.

MisterVeritis
07-27-2017, 06:58 PM
Alaska should be punished for giving us Sarah Palin
I still like her.

del
07-27-2017, 06:59 PM
it was intended as your usual insult/slur
That might be considered cute for a 5 yr old, but not an adult
grow up..........
and don't lay claim to my truth

can't lay claim to the non-existent, trumpling

Captain Obvious
07-27-2017, 07:00 PM
I still like her.

She is not a conservative.

del
07-27-2017, 07:00 PM
I still like her.
shocker

MisterVeritis
07-27-2017, 07:12 PM
She is not a conservative.
I would not trust your judgment.

Captain Obvious
07-27-2017, 07:26 PM
I would not trust your judgment.

I would not give a shit if you didn't

del
07-27-2017, 07:27 PM
murkowski is more than willing to tell trump to go shit in his hat.

when she comes up for reelection next, trump will be long gone.

del
07-27-2017, 07:33 PM
Donald Trump set to punish entire state of Alaska because its senators voted against his health care motion

Interior Secretary reportedly makes 'troubling' calls to senators after vote

Donald Trump (http://www.independent.co.uk/topic/DonaldTrump)’s administration has reportedly threatened to isolate Alaska (http://www.independent.co.uk/topic/Alaska) after a senator from the state voted against the President’s health care motion (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/healthcare-latest-trumpcare-passes-trump-john-mccain-republicans-senate-debate-motion-news-a7860091.html).

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-alaska-us-senator-obamacare-repeal-bill-healthcare-republican-vote-lisa-murkowski-a7862341.html


Trump administration threatens retribution against Alaska over Murkowski health votes



WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump isn't going to just let go of Sen. Lisa Murkowski's no vote Tuesday against debating Obamacare repeal.


Early Wednesday, Trump took to Twitter to express displeasure with Murkowski's vote. By that afternoon, each of Alaska's two Republican senators had received a phone call from Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke letting them know the vote had put Alaska's future with the administration in jeopardy.


The response follows Trump's no-holds-barred style of governing, even when it comes to his own party. It is his first strike of retaliation against Murkowski, however, despite her tendency to stray from the party line and the president's priorities.


Alaska Sen. Dan Sullivan said the call from Zinke heralded a "troubling message."


"I'm not going to go into the details, but I fear that the strong economic growth, pro-energy, pro-mining, pro-jobs and personnel from Alaska who are part of those policies are going to stop," Sullivan said.

https://www.adn.com/politics/2017/07/26/trump-administration-signals-that-murkowskis-health-care-vote-could-have-energy-repercussions-for-alaska/


Rather interesting my way or the highway approach.





interestingly enough, she chairs both the senate’s energy and natural resources committee and of the appropriations subcommittee for energy and the environment. what that means is she leads congressional oversight over policy and funding for zinke’s department and can thwart his goals just as much if not more than he could thwart hers.

like this:


Jul 27 2017 POSTPONED: Business Meeting to Consider DOE and DOI Nominations (https://www.energy.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/hearings-and-business-meetings?ID=6AFECFC0-9E91-4171-963E-F113E7486042)
09:30 AM
**POSTPONED** The business meeting scheduled for Thursday, July 27, 2017, at 9:30 a.m. EDT has been postponed until a date and time to be determined.

https://www.energy.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2017/7/business-meeting-to-consider-doe-and-doi

looks like donnie tweezerhands may have tried to grab the wrong kitty this time.

Bethere
07-27-2017, 07:33 PM
I still like her.

I have no doubt.

Dr. Who
07-27-2017, 07:42 PM
interestingly enough, she chairs both the senate’s energy and natural resources committee and of the appropriations subcommittee for energy and the environment. what that means is she leads congressional oversight over policy and funding for zinke’s department and can thwart his goals just as much if not more than he could thwart hers.

like this:



https://www.energy.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2017/7/business-meeting-to-consider-doe-and-doi

looks like donnie tweezerhands may have tried to grab the wrong kitty this time.
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Let the games begin! Someone should introduce the Trump team to Dale Carnegie's book ...

del
07-27-2017, 07:44 PM
Let the games begin! Someone should introduce the Trump team to Dale Carnegie's book ...

on tape, with lots of pictures

Bo-4
07-27-2017, 07:53 PM
Clearly a Hotheaded Bully with ZERO understanding of political realities.

He doesn't give a rat's ass WHAT'S in the bill - he'd sign an agreement for Russia to unload their nukes if Putin sent a love letter in advance ...

SAD (and DANGEROUS) man!!

http://www.northernsun.com/images/imagelarge/0301.jpg

Bo-4
07-27-2017, 07:55 PM
Link? Citation? Reference?

Anything?

Hunch .. same thing that enables Trumplings to enable their God.

Bo-4
07-27-2017, 07:58 PM
murkowski is more than willing to tell trump to go shit in his hat.

when she comes up for reelection next, trump will be long gone.

That's the fun part - The man has a 36% approval rating in averages .. and PLUMMETING.

No reason for intelligent Republicans to tell him anything other than ...

GO SHIT IN YOUR HAT A-HOLE!!