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pjohns
07-28-2017, 12:22 PM
I previously wrote--and I will now reiterate--that I very much hope that Senator McCain recovers from his recently diagnosed brain cancer. (Although, realistically, there many not be a great deal of hope here.)

That said, I am rather disappointed that he cast the fifty-first vote against the so-called "skinny" repeal of ObamaCare.

It was surely preordained that Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski--who are true RINOs--would vote against it; and especially the former, as the latter is attached to a quite red state.

The chief argument set forth by Sen. McCain--and apparently, at the very heart of the matter--is the fact that he wishes to see more bipartisanship: ObamaCare passed without a single Republican vote, and he did not want to see the obverse happen.

And that sounds like fairly sound reasoning--except:

The Democrats desire "bipartisanship" only if it is on the minority's terms. (For instance, Sen. Schumer said, just this week, that he believes in "working together to improve the healthcare system rather than sabotage it"; suggesting that ObamaCare is fundamentally a very good thing, merely in need of a few minor tweaks; and that any proposal to repeal and replace it would amount to "sabotage.")

Bipartisanship is a very good thing, I believe.

But if it means coming together somewhere on the center-left, then it is really a sham, in my opinion.

MisterVeritis
07-28-2017, 12:23 PM
Bipartisanship is fine if you want socialism faster.

leekohler2
07-28-2017, 12:33 PM
McCain made the right decision.

The GOP, if you recall, announced on day one of his presidency that they would oppose anything and everything Obama proposed. They lived up to that promise. What was anyone supposed to do in that situation? So I'm not so sure that you think bipartisanship is a good thing. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I doubt it.

And what was that you were saying about a minority?


Majority of Americans Now Support Obamacare



http://time.com/4725736/obamacare-majority-approval-gallup-poll-healthcare/

Seems to me that politicians are actually listening to the majority.

Bo-4
07-28-2017, 12:45 PM
Bipartisanship is fine if you want socialism faster.

Intransigence is fine if you want another President Trump and NOTHING to get done ever.

Personally, i'll pass

MisterVeritis
07-28-2017, 12:50 PM
McCain made the right decision.

The GOP, if you recall, announced on day one of his presidency that they would oppose anything and everything Obama proposed. So I'm not so sure that you think bipartisanship is a good thing. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I doubt it.

And what was that you were saying about a minority?

Seems to me that politicians are actually listening to the majority.
Then let it die on its own.

Bo-4
07-28-2017, 12:52 PM
Then let it die on its own.

Good luck with that:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/15/upshot/obamacare-isnt-in-a-death-spiral-its-replacement-probably-wont-be-either.html

Trump must enforce settled law - and if he tries to withhold subsidies he'll be in contempt.

And Republicans must work with Democrats on a few easy fixes.

leekohler2
07-28-2017, 12:53 PM
Intransigence is fine if you want another President Trump and NOTHING to get done ever.

Personally, i'll pass

Well, he just likes mindless talking points. That way he doesn't have to think.

MisterVeritis
07-28-2017, 12:53 PM
Intransigence is fine if you want another President Trump and NOTHING to get done ever.

Personally, i'll pass
I think your side has won. The nation will have its socialism and we will all be poorer. I wonder how long until the internal rot brings the whole thing down. I also wonder how long the upcoming generation will agree to be serfs.

MisterVeritis
07-28-2017, 12:53 PM
Well, he just likes mindless talking points. That way he doesn't have to think.
Do you lack balls?

leekohler2
07-28-2017, 12:53 PM
Good luck with that:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/15/upshot/obamacare-isnt-in-a-death-spiral-its-replacement-probably-wont-be-either.html

Trump must enforce settled law - and if he tries to withhold subsidies he'll be in contempt.

And Republicans must work with Democrats on a few easy fixes.

And that's exactly what the majority of the country wants to happen.

MisterVeritis
07-28-2017, 12:54 PM
Good luck with that:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/15/upshot/obamacare-isnt-in-a-death-spiral-its-replacement-probably-wont-be-either.html

Trump must enforce settled law - and if he tries to withhold subsidies he'll be in contempt.

And Republicans must work with Democrats on a few easy fixes.
No one must work with anyone.

Bo-4
07-28-2017, 12:59 PM
No one must work with anyone.

Nonsense

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/29/senate-republicans-may-look-to-democrats-to-help-fix-obamacare.html

MisterVeritis
07-28-2017, 01:09 PM
Nonsense

I understand you are hoping the Republicans will cave further. The current law has more than a thousand places that allow the Secretary to make important decisions. He can decide to do nothing.

What I believe will happen is the Congress will transfer hundreds of billions more taxpayer dollars to insurance companies. That will accelerate the end.

Bo-4
07-28-2017, 01:10 PM
I understand you are hoping the Republicans will cave further. The current law has more than a thousand places that allow the Secretary to make important decisions. He can decide to do nothing.

What I believe will happen is the Congress will transfer hundreds of billions more doll.ars to insurance companies. That will accelerate the end.

You've lost your mind .. actually it was lost years ago ;-)

Kalkin
07-28-2017, 01:12 PM
Dear john McCain,
Fvck you.

MisterVeritis
07-28-2017, 01:16 PM
You've lost your mind .. actually it was lost years ago ;-)
We shall see. You are young enough to experience the full damage socialism will bring.

leekohler2
07-28-2017, 01:48 PM
You've lost your mind .. actually it was lost years ago ;-)

It's almost cartoonish, isn't it? Sad too, that someone has reduced their thinking to such a narrow degree.

Bo-4
07-28-2017, 02:19 PM
It's almost cartoonish, isn't it? Sad too, that someone has reduced their thinking to such a narrow degree.

He's been impatiently awaiting the civil war between conservatives and progressives for years.

Thinks Trump is a dictator who can get away with pretty much anything he'd like.

Has fantasies about jailing and killing "coup organizers and supporters" aka anyone who wants to get to the bottom of Russia election meddling.

Pretty damned sad Lee.

Bo-4
07-28-2017, 02:20 PM
Dear john McCain,
Fvck you.

But you voted for him in 2008 ... no?

Kalkin
07-28-2017, 02:26 PM
But you voted for him in 2008 ... no?

Nope. Ron Paul.

pjohns
07-28-2017, 03:07 PM
The GOP, if you recall, announced on day one of his presidency that they would oppose anything and everything Obama proposed.

I have heard that old saw time and time again; yet I have never seen any evidence of it--even when I asked for it.

Would you care to be the very first to prove it?


So I'm not so sure that you think bipartisanship is a good thing. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I doubt it.
You will really not win many brownie points (except, of course, with those who already agree with you) by implying that another poster must be...well, just a liar.


And what was that you were saying about a minority?



http://time.com/4725736/obamacare-majority-approval-gallup-poll-healthcare/

Seems to me that politicians are actually listening to the majority.
I think you have changed the subject here.

Democrats are the minority party.
Yet they appear to wish to dictate to the Republicans the terms on which they will agree to "bipartisanship."

As for the poll that you cite, it is hardly surprising that a majority of Americans would not wish to see an "entitlement" taken away. Most people do not truly wish for that.

But to get back to the point--which is to say, the point that you would (evidently) rather just ignore--the Democrats are the minority party; which is exactly what I was saying.

And the Democrats insist upon "bipartisanship" on their terms only...