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Cigar
11-12-2012, 08:29 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIPUIfWrj84&feature=player_embedded

I've been saying it for a long time ... Demographics ... Finally Conservative are seeing the light

Mainecoons
11-12-2012, 08:39 AM
Yes, it is going to be interesting to watch you "new demographic" types try and feed yourselves.

The mobs in the streets of Rome ended up putting demagogues and criminals in charge of the state. The productive voted with their feet. Tell us, government contract boy, where did that end up? Did the mobs live in prosperity and happiness thereafter? Or did Rome collapse?

Given how deficient your education is, you'll probably have to look it up.

Oh, and BTW, it was the gender gap stimulated by outright lying and character assasination that "won" the election for you. Now let's see how good you are at "winning" the economy.

:rofl:

:rofl:

patrickt
11-12-2012, 08:42 AM
Because more votes were for President Obama, nitwit. That's not to say most people who voted, voted for President Obama.

Peter1469
11-12-2012, 09:02 AM
I agree demographics are turning against we who still value federalism and limited government. Unless we can turn the Latinos, the Founders' experiment is over.

If that is true, then we must search for the best type of totalitarianism. I will think that one over.

Cigar
11-12-2012, 02:40 PM
Maybe Mitt should have listened to dear old Dad!

http://llwproductions.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/meme-photo-with-caption-quote-from-george-romney-and-showing-tax-returns.jpg

coolwalker
11-12-2012, 03:50 PM
George Soros and his voting company caused it. I have hopes that someone is looking into those machines. There is no way Obama could have had 10 million less votes this time and still win. All facts and figures had Romney ahead...then the machines took over and wham! All the numbers did a 180.

Carygrant
11-12-2012, 06:19 PM
George Soros and his voting company caused it. I have hopes that someone is looking into those machines. There is no way Obama could have had 10 million less votes this time and still win. All facts and figures had Romney ahead...then the machines took over and wham! All the numbers did a 180.


What a twerp .
How about this new idea that Black and White are the same . A gullible guy like you should buy a dozen of that magic potion . Two dozen , if they dress them with pink ribbons .

PhineasTBluster
11-12-2012, 07:09 PM
I don't know, it might have been fraud. 59 voting districts in Philly tallied ZERO votes for Romney. I know they are predominately black, but ZERO votes is hard to get my head around. And in Cuyahoga county in Ohio, over 100 precincts with 99% Obama margins? Something is rotten in Ohio.

Awryly
11-12-2012, 07:53 PM
I agree demographics are turning against we who still value federalism and limited government. Unless we can turn the Latinos, the Founders' experiment is over.

If that is true, then we must search for the best type of totalitarianism. I will think that one over.


On the contrary. The Latinos are a check or, if you prefer, a balance.

That's what your Founding Fathers wanted. That's what you've got.

roadmaster
11-12-2012, 08:03 PM
On the contrary. The Latinos are a check or, if you prefer, a balance.

That's what your Founding Fathers wanted. That's what you've got.

At the beginning when people weren't here. The Irish, English ect all came here. Now we have laws put in place and should be going by them.

Awryly
11-12-2012, 08:07 PM
At the beginning when people weren't here. The Irish, English ect all came here. Now we have laws put in place and should be going by them.

Dem da laws dat lynch uppity niggers?

roadmaster
11-12-2012, 08:14 PM
Dem da laws dat lynch uppity niggers?

Do you think what you said is acceptable?

Awryly
11-12-2012, 08:32 PM
Do you think what you said is acceptable?

Are some questions not acceptable in America?

Mister D
11-12-2012, 08:33 PM
Dem da laws dat lynch uppity niggers?

What? lol

Mister D
11-12-2012, 08:38 PM
Are some questions not acceptable in America?

No. Thankfully, Americans aren't big on restricting speech. We would not accept the authoritarian restrictions on speech found in your Human Rights Act 1993. :smiley:

Chris
11-12-2012, 08:42 PM
George Soros and his voting company caused it. I have hopes that someone is looking into those machines. There is no way Obama could have had 10 million less votes this time and still win. All facts and figures had Romney ahead...then the machines took over and wham! All the numbers did a 180.


What a twerp . <snip>

Yes, that Soros sure is a twerp.

Mainecoons
11-12-2012, 08:44 PM
Soros was great for the U.K., though. Er, didn't he make some billions collapsing the pound?

No matter, everything liberals do is OK.

Awryly
11-12-2012, 08:44 PM
Looks as though Rove's superpac knew when to cut its losses.


US reports said when Romney's staffers tried to take cabs home after his election-night concession speech, they discovered their campaign credit cards had been cancelled during the night.

roadmaster
11-12-2012, 09:16 PM
Are some questions not acceptable in America?

That wasn't a question and we in the south don't like this type of talk. Keep your racist crap off this form. It's Negro, black or African American. Be glad I am not a mod.

roadmaster
11-12-2012, 09:17 PM
No. Thankfully, Americans aren't big on restricting speech. We would not accept the authoritarian restrictions on speech found in your Human Rights Act 1993. :smiley:

Yea, but he is pushing it. Like he can say things like this because we are from the south.

Mister D
11-12-2012, 09:17 PM
That wasn't a question and we in the south don't like this type of talk. Keep your racist crap off this form. It's Negro, black or African American. Be glad I am not a mod.

New Zealanders are racist.

Mister D
11-12-2012, 09:17 PM
Yea, but he is pushing it. Like he can say things like this because we are from the south.

New Zealanders are racist. Look it up.

Awryly
11-12-2012, 09:20 PM
That wasn't a question and we in the south don't like this type of talk. Keep your racist crap off this form. It's Negro, black or African American. Be glad I am not a mod.


So you don't lynch people nowadays?

When did you change?

Captain Obvious
11-12-2012, 09:21 PM
So you don't lynch people nowadays?



Taxpayers mostly.

Captain Obvious
11-12-2012, 09:23 PM
Ok - I got thanked twice by Cigar and Mister D at the same time.

What are the odds of that ever happening?

Mister D
11-12-2012, 09:25 PM
Ok - I got thanked twice by @Cigar (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=294) and @Mister D (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=4) at the same time.

What are the odds of that ever happening?

:laugh:

Mister D
11-12-2012, 09:28 PM
Yea, but he is pushing it. Like he can say things like this because we are from the south.

Look up "racism in New Zealand". Some nerve! :smiley_ROFLMAO:

roadmaster
11-12-2012, 09:34 PM
Look up "racism in New Zealand". Some nerve! :smiley_ROFLMAO:

Doesn't surprise me.

Awryly
11-12-2012, 10:05 PM
Taxpayers mostly.

But mainly poor ones, so I'm reliably informed.

(I recollect it was Romney who was my informant.)

Mister D
11-12-2012, 10:14 PM
But mainly poor ones, so I'm reliably informed.

(I recollect it was Romney who was my informant.)

We don't have poor (income) taxpayers.

Castle
11-12-2012, 11:54 PM
The party has incorrectly assumed that their path to the presidency is to become more like the Democrats. I don't think independents saw a significant difference between the two candidates. Had they chosen a candidate that has actually been consistent in his views, and one that could have explained better that WE HAVE NO MONEY, the outcome may have been different.

Big Bird?? Come on. That was an opportunity to really talk about what the role of government should be. Instead we got a promise that the budget would be balanced with no specifics and not significant cuts. No one believed that.

GrumpyDog
11-13-2012, 08:16 AM
Why Romney lose? Cause Romney makes his fortune on losing.

Losing other peoples jobs.

Losing memory of which statement he said an hour previously.

Losing touch with reality.

Losing 47% of population based on stupid premise.

Losing debate 2 making false statement about Benghazi.

Losing debate 3 by agreeing with Obama

Losing commercial war because Romney flip flopped so much, all Obama had to do was show clips of Romney saying the opposite of what he previously just said.

Losing support of other demographic groups, by focusing soley on white older wealthy males and white conservative women married to those wealthy males.

Losing rich donor money, which will insure both Romney and Carl Rove will be insignificant in future.

Mainecoons
11-13-2012, 08:23 AM
Just a couple minor corrections.

Bain didn't lose people's jobs. The organizations were failing and they either fixed them or closed them.

Flip-flopping? Correct.

What is reality? The new demographic? Correct.

Premise was correct. As will be seen shortly when the money runs out.

He was sabotaged in debate 2 by moderator. His statement on Beghazi was correct.

Agree on Debate 3

Agree on flip flopping

No, he didn't focus on rich white people, he incorrectly assumed that the "new demographic" shared basic American values. They do not.

Agree, this election will be the end of Rove. Romney won't run again.

Cigar
11-13-2012, 08:37 AM
:tearyeyed:

Chris
11-13-2012, 08:57 AM
:tearyeyed:

Still whining and crying?

Awryly
11-13-2012, 07:44 PM
Just a couple minor corrections.

Bain didn't lose people's jobs. The organizations were failing and they either fixed them or closed them.

Flip-flopping? Correct.

What is reality? The new demographic? Correct.

Premise was correct. As will be seen shortly when the money runs out.

He was sabotaged in debate 2 by moderator. His statement on Beghazi was correct.

Agree on Debate 3

Agree on flip flopping

No, he didn't focus on rich white people, he incorrectly assumed that the "new demographic" shared basic American values. They do not.

Agree, this election will be the end of Rove. Romney won't run again.

All Crowley did was to point out that Romney was wrong on a proven fact.

The Benghazi thing is a storm in a teacup but the rightwing media have talked it up as Apocalypse 1.

"American values" (whatever they are) are not what is at stake. The minorities voted for Obama because the Pugs attacked them. And they didn't like it.

Castle
11-13-2012, 10:17 PM
Bain didn't lose people's jobs. The organizations were failing and they either fixed them or closed them.


I don't know why it's so hard for people to understand this. They act like if Bain hadn't gotten involved those jobs would have existed forever.

Cali
11-14-2012, 01:18 AM
I think Mr. Romney is fine, he speaks for what he believes in, what he thinks is best for America. I agreed with most of all the things he said. The only thing that I think didn't help him is seem like he speak so gernerally, broadly, the broader of the issues, he didn't really going into details, he didn't elaborate to details like how Obama did. I can see from both the convention, seem like Romney can't seem to connect to the audience alot like how Obama did. I still voted for Romney though.

We, the 59 millions voters who vote for Romney, who didn't want president Obama for the 2nd term, now have to live and obey with all the policies of Obama administration for the next 4 years. The Americans have no choice, is not like they can go anywhere, America is their homeland, their families and friends are all here, generations and generations they work hard to be where they at today. Little or a lot, I believe the lives of the Americans will be effected in the next coming years, including a low life job person like myself. Liberals, you know, minimum wage job people like me have to pay taxes too you know, and my taxes will be going towards buying free healthcare for those who get free contraceptive, free welfair, free, free, and I hope I don't have to pay taxes to feed those who are NOT citizens of USA!

In my opinion, Americans now are being feed little by little of socialism ideas into our brain, and many people are not even realized this. All they care is about their "individual" rights and benefits (mostly the young generation). 1st term of president Obama, I can understand, but people are putting president Obama back into office 2nd term, seem like the "society" "thinking" now in America has change alot. Seem like the younger generations now are getting more and more "very open" these days.

Anyways, I pray for my minimum wage job, that if I still able to have this job for the next 4 years, LOL! With many people will be getting lay off and fighting for jobs, not much luck. Oh, by the way, nothing is for free you know, one day the middle class won't have anything left for Obama policies to milk, then those who waiting for free stuff will get nothing! Things don't fall down from the sky, you work hard to earn it, that is what true fairness is about.

Anyways, Liberals are winner for this presidency, and we are the looser, well let me tell you. I don't even have to think twice, with a heartbeat if I can choose again, I will voted for Romney again, eventhough I know the outcome that he will lost, I still voted for Romney. I don't bow down to Socialist ideas, period!!

ThirdTerm
11-14-2012, 02:24 AM
946

The race was a tie nationally just few days before Hurricane Sandy hit and without Sandy, it could have gone either way depending on Ohio voters but Romney lost his edge in most swing states such as Florida and Virginia once Obama presented himself as a capable commander-in-chief in dealing with the natural disaster and voters rallied behind him and Obama was 3% ahead of Romney on Election Day thanks to Sandy and 2% of voters abandoned Romney in a matter of few days and Obama emerged as a winner.

Carygrant
11-14-2012, 02:25 AM
I think Mr. Romney is fine, he speaks for what he believes in, what he thinks is best for America. I agreed with most of all the things he said. The only thing that I think didn't help him is seem like he speak so gernerally, broadly, the broader of the issues, he didn't really going into details, he didn't elaborate to details like how Obama did. I can see from both the convention, seem like Romney can't seem to connect to the audience alot like how Obama did. I still voted for Romney though.

We, the 59 millions voters who vote for Romney, who didn't want president Obama for the 2nd term, now have to live and obey with all the policies of Obama administration for the next 4 years. The Americans have no choice, is not like they can go anywhere, America is their homeland, their families and friends are all here, generations and generations they work hard to be where they at today. Little or a lot, I believe the lives of the Americans will be effected in the next coming years, including a low life job person like myself. Liberals, you know, minimum wage job people like me have to pay taxes too you know, and my taxes will be going towards buying free healthcare for those who get free contraceptive, free welfair, free, free, and I hope I don't have to pay taxes to feed those who are NOT citizens of USA!

In my opinion, Americans now are being feed little by little of socialism ideas into our brain, and many people are not even realized this. All they care is about their "individual" rights and benefits (mostly the young generation). 1st term of president Obama, I can understand, but people are putting president Obama back into office 2nd term, seem like the "society" "thinking" now in America has change alot. Seem like the younger generations now are getting more and more "very open" these days.

Anyways, I pray for my minimum wage job, that if I still able to have this job for the next 4 years, LOL! With many people will be getting lay off and fighting for jobs, not much luck. Oh, by the way, nothing is for free you know, one day the middle class won't have anything left for Obama policies to milk, then those who waiting for free stuff will get nothing! Things don't fall down from the sky, you work hard to earn it, that is what true fairness is about.

Anyways, Liberals are winner for this presidency, and we are the looser, well let me tell you. I don't even have to think twice, with a heartbeat if I can choose again, I will voted for Romney again, eventhough I know the outcome that he will lost, I still voted for Romney. I don't bow down to Socialist ideas, period!!


Would you categorise that as , pig headedness , or just plain , stupidity ?
Do you apply the same principle to crossing a busy road ?
And even though you have lost a leg and have permanent back trouble , do you ascribe it to , " rotten luck".

Awryly
11-14-2012, 08:18 PM
I think Mr. Romney is fine, he speaks for what he believes in, what he thinks is best for America. I agreed with most of all the things he said. The only thing that I think didn't help him is seem like he speak so gernerally, broadly, the broader of the issues, he didn't really going into details, he didn't elaborate to details like how Obama did. I can see from both the convention, seem like Romney can't seem to connect to the audience alot like how Obama did. I still voted for Romney though.

We, the 59 millions voters who vote for Romney, who didn't want president Obama for the 2nd term, now have to live and obey with all the policies of Obama administration for the next 4 years. The Americans have no choice, is not like they can go anywhere, America is their homeland, their families and friends are all here, generations and generations they work hard to be where they at today. Little or a lot, I believe the lives of the Americans will be effected in the next coming years, including a low life job person like myself. Liberals, you know, minimum wage job people like me have to pay taxes too you know, and my taxes will be going towards buying free healthcare for those who get free contraceptive, free welfair, free, free, and I hope I don't have to pay taxes to feed those who are NOT citizens of USA!

In my opinion, Americans now are being feed little by little of socialism ideas into our brain, and many people are not even realized this. All they care is about their "individual" rights and benefits (mostly the young generation). 1st term of president Obama, I can understand, but people are putting president Obama back into office 2nd term, seem like the "society" "thinking" now in America has change alot. Seem like the younger generations now are getting more and more "very open" these days.

Anyways, I pray for my minimum wage job, that if I still able to have this job for the next 4 years, LOL! With many people will be getting lay off and fighting for jobs, not much luck. Oh, by the way, nothing is for free you know, one day the middle class won't have anything left for Obama policies to milk, then those who waiting for free stuff will get nothing! Things don't fall down from the sky, you work hard to earn it, that is what true fairness is about.

Anyways, Liberals are winner for this presidency, and we are the looser, well let me tell you. I don't even have to think twice, with a heartbeat if I can choose again, I will voted for Romney again, eventhough I know the outcome that he will lost, I still voted for Romney. I don't bow down to Socialist ideas, period!!


You are the type of American who remains a complete mystery to me and most of the rest of the world.

You do not live, you subsist. You believe the rapacious interests that backed Romney and his ilk will somehow help you. And that a fairer distribution of wealth and services will not.

Are you nuts? Or do you come from West Virginia?

Deadwood
11-14-2012, 08:24 PM
You are the type of American who remains a complete mystery to me and most of the rest of the world.

You do not live, you subsist. You believe the rapacious interests that backed Romney and his ilk will somehow help you. And that a fairer distribution of wealth and services will not.

Are you nuts? Or do you come from West Virginia?

Actually I doubt either possibility.

What is clear though, you are easily confused. But then when an ideology is entrenched as deeply as yours, it is impossible to make sense out of anything outside of that orthodoxy. Kind of like a guy whose only tool is a hammer, he pounds away here, there and everywhere when what he should be doing is screwing.

Chris
11-14-2012, 08:49 PM
Are you saying awryly needs to get laid?

Awryly
11-14-2012, 09:00 PM
Actually I doubt either possibility.

What is clear though, you are easily confused. But then when an ideology is entrenched as deeply as yours, it is impossible to make sense out of anything outside of that orthodoxy. Kind of like a guy whose only tool is a hammer, he pounds away here, there and everywhere when what he should be doing is screwing.

Unconfuse me.

Better still, get Cali to do it.

Cali
11-14-2012, 09:02 PM
Huh awryly? I am entittle to what I believe, I don't need your permission to tell me how I should think or who I should support. You, nor your president Obama don't have any rights to take away my freedom.
By the way, since Obama won, I am expecting my free phones and free stuff, please tell your president to give that to me. Oh, maybe I should just stop going to work and stay home and get all those benefits Obama promise, Haha!

Anyways, I assume with someone smart like you awryly, you definately make more money than I do. That means in 2013, you will see who will be paying more taxes, you or a waitress like myself.

I don't want to unconfuse you, because I believe that everyone have the rights to believe in what ever they choose, whether if that is support Obama or support Romney. It just that you liberals cannot accept any opinions that different than yours. And start calling people "nuts" and "don't live", by the way, I do live. I work a minimum wage job to support myself instead of going on welfare, I should be proud of myself.

By the way, I am not from West Virgina, I am in California (the blue state) which I refuse to go blue, I refuse to change myself just because the majority people support Obama. I have my own beliefts and my own ethnic in life.

I only feel sad for those who didn't vote for Obama but now have no choice but to suffer the consequences in the next 4 years.

Obama tax decission for 2013 is what, we don't know yet, last news I read he is still in meeting with those CEO and unions people. But the more he tax rich and business, those business will closed, or lay off people so they can survive. Rich people who owns business will just bring their business to other countries (such as China), then more Americans will be out of jobs. By the way, if tax the rich not enough, president Obama will probably start to giving excuse to tax the middle class (this will come true or not, we will know in 4 years)

Anyways, I hope Obama keep his words since he have say many times, he won't raise tax on middle class. Hey, I pray this for middle class people such as you, awryly (forgive me if I assume you middle class, and you are not).
I pray for all the middle class, private business, small business, entrepreneur, workers, because I believe those people will suffer the most in the next 4 years.

And No, NEVER once I believe in fair distribution of wealth, is not fair, it is stealing other people hard work blood and sweats. Rich people have to work hard to get to where they are in society today, don't get jealous because they richer than you. America is a country where you can go to school, be smart, get the degree, and get out to work, and fair competition with everyone else.
If you jealous that people in wall street richer than you, go study stocks and enter the stock market, and do fair competition with them.
If you jealous Bill Gate smarter than you, go invent something, then you can be as rich as him. Why jealous? Why force other people to give their wealth to you?

Rich people money are money they earn, they make, they do not require to give those money to anyone, including the poor.
Oh God, why America is begining to inhaled all this socialist ideas!! ARG!! So rich must give money to poor, how about poor people like me? I must give money to homeless? OK, I would if I make enough money to do that, and I have given money to homeless before. Is just now with the ecnomy, I'm working as $8 an hour, I am no longer capable of distribute my money to homeless. (OK, this might be an extreme example, but forcing people to give against their will is not right!)
Sad sad sad America, this is not the America I know when I set my foot on here. All I can do now is pray for USA.

Awryly
11-14-2012, 09:04 PM
Huh awryly? I am entittle to what I believe, I don't need your permission to tell me how I should think or who I should support. You, nor your president Obama have any rights to take away my freedom.
By the way, since Obama won, I am expecting my free phones and free stuff, please tell your president to give that to me. Oh, maybe I should just stop going to work and stay home and get welfare, Haha!

Anyways, I assume with someone IQ smart like you awryly, you definately make more money than I do. That means in 2013, you will see who will be paying more taxes, you or a waitress like myself.
By the way, I am not from West Virgina, I am in California (the blue state) which I refuse to go blue, I refuse to change myself just because the majority people support Obama or who ever. I have my own beliefts and my own ethnic in life.

I only feel sad for those who didn't vote for Obama but now have no choice but to suffer the consequences in the next 4 years.

Of course you are entitled to what you believe. But the question is why you believe it.

Tell me, how are you "free" when you live on the poverty line?

And yes, I make more money than most Americans.

Horrible liberal that I am. Which also means that I am happy to pay high taxes to help those less fortunate.

Mister D
11-14-2012, 09:09 PM
Of course you are entitled to what you believe. But the question is why you believe it.

Tell me, how are you "free" when you live on the poverty line?

And yes, I make more money than most Americans.

The US has a higher per capita income than New Zealand.

Awryly
11-14-2012, 10:14 PM
Of course you are entitled to what you believe. But the question is why you believe it.

Tell me, how are you "free" when you live on the poverty line?

And yes, I make more money than most Americans.

Horrible liberal that I am. Which also means that I am happy to pay high taxes to help those less fortunate.


Addendum: please don't tell me God told you to be poor.

He is a fiction put about by GoldmanSachs.

Mister D
11-14-2012, 10:16 PM
Addendum: please don't tell me God told you to be poor.

He is a fiction put about by GoldmanSachs.

The US has a higher per capita income than New Zealand. :smiley:

Cali
11-14-2012, 11:18 PM
There is a big difference, I say BIG difference between those who are truely unfortunate, and those who just want easy money and freebies fall down the sky for them. I can guarantee you, all the people who are on welfare or poor here in USA, are thousand times better than poor people in North Korea or China.

I understand poor, I lived in a country where the whole family have to survive on less than $1 USD a day, I saw it with my own eyes where children picking up food to eat from the floor. My own family experience how it feel when your father are throw in jail just because he have a different opinions than the Communist party. When someone just wrote a poem just to calling out the conscience of the Communist party to stop corruption on their people money, and they get throw in jail for just saying "Communist party is corruption". Or for even saying "Free Tibet", I see Ai weiwei, Liu xiaobo who are still in jail just because they likes Democracy and they asking for political reform in China. I can tell you the ONE PARTY DICTATORSHIP Communist Don't have any conscience or care for the people, they just care for their power and secure their chair, and how much money they can suck out of their people.

What make you think I don't know what Free is. I damn know what "free" is, at least in this USA, I have my rights to speak up for what I believe. Here is my freedom of speech right now, " I do not like Obama" or even worst " I hate Obama", Hey, at least I know in USA, I won't be throw in jail for saying that. Here in USA, I have my chance of going to school, whether through loans or financial aid, at least I have ONE chance of getting an education. So if you ask me, do I feel "free" right now, Yes I do! Eventhough I'm a nobody in this country, who just making $8 an hour, I still proudly to say I am FREE!
Free is not about wealth, or about rich, or about how much money you have. Free is when you have a damn CHOICE to choose, a CHOICE to speak up. A CHOICE to disagree with the government without having to worried be throwing in jail. I come to this country, not because I want money, is because I want the Basic human rights, basic freedom to just Be a HUMAN. I don't believe in sucking at rich people money, I believe in going to work to feed my ownself, which I am doing right now, and proud to be continue doing.

And for awryly, if you rich and you fine with share your wealth with everybody (including those immigrants who are not U.S citizenship yet), Fine with me, is your money, you do what ever you like. But YOU, Have no RIGHTS to impose your thinking on me, I am not require to think the same way you do.

Hey, if they poor, is fine getting welfare. But IF, I say IF, I never say all the poor are lazy OK. I say IF, IF they are lazy, who purposely don't want to go to work and just want to stay home, to get freebies. Then what fair is that? The people who work have to pay to give them freebies, Very fair huh? Fine, then I should stop working, and you pay your high taxes to feed me OK awryly? I expect free cellphones, free healthcare, free welfare, free foodstamp, free this, free that from you.

This the last time I reply to you, since it obvious we don't have same viewpoints, so it is USELESS to continue this discussion, since it even more obvious, that you nor me will have any chance of views on this issue.

Awryly
11-14-2012, 11:33 PM
There is a big difference, I say BIG difference between those who are truely unfortunate, and those who just want easy money and freebies fall down the sky for them. I can guarantee you, all the people who are on welfare or poor here in USA, are thousand times better than poor people in North Korea or China.

I understand poor, I lived in a country where the whole family have to survive on less than $1 USD a day, I saw it with my own eyes where children picking up food to eat from the floor. My own family experience how it feel when your father are throw in jail just because he have a different opinions than the Communist party. When someone just wrote a poem just to calling out the conscience of the Communist party to stop corruption on their people money, and they get throw in jail for just saying "Communist party is corruption". Or for even saying "Free Tibet", I see Ai weiwei, Liu xiaobo who are still in jail just because they likes Democracy and they asking for political reform in China. I can tell you the ONE PARTY DICTATORSHIP Communist Don't have any conscience or care for the people, they just care for their power and secure their chair, and how much money they can suck out of their people.

What make you think I don't know what Free is. I damn know what "free" is, at least in this USA, I have my rights to speak up for what I believe. Here is my freedom of speech right now, " I do not like Obama" or even worst " I hate Obama", Hey, at least I know in USA, I won't be throw in jail for saying that. Here in USA, I have my chance of going to school, whether through loans or financial aid, at least I have ONE chance of getting an education. So if you ask me, do I feel "free" right now, Yes I do! Eventhough I'm a nobody in this country, who just making $8 an hour, I still proudly to say I am FREE!
Free is not about wealth, or about rich, or about how much money you have. Free is when you have a damn CHOICE to choose, a CHOICE to speak up. A CHOICE to disagree with the government without having to worried be throwing in jail. I come to this country, not because I want money, is because I want the Basic human rights, basic freedom to just Be a HUMAN. I don't believe in sucking at rich people money, I believe in going to work to feed my ownself, which I am doing right now, and proud to be continue doing.

And for awryly, if you rich and you fine with share your wealth with everybody (including those immigrants who are not U.S citizenship yet), Fine with me, is your money, you do what ever you like. But YOU, Have no RIGHTS to impose your thinking on me, I am not require to think the same way you do.

Hey, if they poor, is fine getting welfare. But IF, I say IF, I never say all the poor are lazy OK. I say IF, IF they are lazy, who purposely don't want to go to work and just want to stay home, to get freebies. Then what fair is that? The people who work have to pay to give them freebies, Very fair huh? Fine, then I should stop working, and you pay your high taxes to feed me OK awryly? I expect free cellphones, free healthcare, free welfare, free foodstamp, free this, free that from you.

This the last time I reply to you, since it obvious we don't have same viewpoints, so it is USELESS to continue this discussion, since it even more obvious, that you nor me will have any chance of views on this issue.

All you are saying is that the US lets you speak. Meanwhile, it keeps you poor.

I suppose that's a step forward from whence you came. Wherever that was.

Small mercies, huh? You have acquired the freedom to talk about being poor.

But how is that a Romney boon?

Awryly
11-15-2012, 07:26 PM
It's risky being a Republican spouse.


An Arizona woman, in despair at the re-election of Democratic President Barack Obama, ran down her husband with the family car in suburban Phoenix on Saturday because he failed to vote in the election, police say.

She has the look of a fanatic who might equally well be a Muslim extremist.

http://static.stuff.co.nz/1353025108/302/7960302.jpg
Imagine how she brain-washes her kids.

Awryly
11-15-2012, 08:29 PM
Poor John McCain. The senior senator from Arizona, former presidential candidate and general Republican big-man-in-Washington was so busy on Wednesday complaining about President Obama’s handling of the Benghazi mission killings that he just didn’t have time to do his actual job and attend a hearing on the Benghazi mission killings.Mr. McCain has said he wants to get to the bottom of what he seems absolutely certain was a catastrophic bungling of the Libyan situation by Mr. Obama and his team. He is proposing holding “Watergate-style” hearings on the matter, with lots of witnesses and of course, lots of television cameras.
But yesterday, when the Senate Homeland Security (http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/15/john-mccains-scheduling-error/?ref=politics#) and Governmental Affairs Committee received a classified briefing on the Benghazi issue, Mr. McCain was absent. His spokesman Brian Rogers blamed a “scheduling error.”

This is the guy who scheduled Sarah Palin as a running mate.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/11/15/opinion/11152012mccain/11152012mccain-blog480.jpg
The man is an ass (the animal, debateably, but only debateably, not the excretory organ).