Russian Hacking The Power Grid.

[Casper]

There has been a lot of talk about Russian attempts to hack into our election and that debate continues when it comes to if it had changed anything in the election or not, but that is not what is scary.
What should concern All Americans is that Russian has been trying to hack into the power grid of other Nations, including the US. There is only ONE reason to do this and that is to shut down the power grid and possible do serious damage to their enemies, yes, that would be Us. My thought is this was done during the elections so that they would fly under the public radar, how do you make an elephant disappear in front of alive audience, Distraction.
Personally I consider this as an act of war or one preparing for a war. So, when you speak of dropping the sanctions on Russia keep in mind that they are preparing to attack this Nation and as such are all our enemy, or do you still want to make excuses for them.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian-hacking-of-ukraines-power-grid-test-run-for-us-attack/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russian-hackers-penetrated-us-electricity-grid-through-a-utility-in-vermont/2016/12/30/8fc90cc4-ceec-11e6-b8a2-8c2a61b0436f_story.html

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2017/06/russia_s_power_grid_cyberweapon_is_scary.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world-0/hacking-us-power-plans-wolf-creek-sabotage-energy-fbi-power-plant-electricity-grid-a7828261.html

https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/russia-named-as-culprit-in-latest-us-power-plant-hacks

and then there is this:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-07/russians-are-said-to-be-suspects-in-hacks-involving-nuclear-site

[Kalkin]

I still haven't heard anyone who can explain what "hacking our election" actually means. It seems to be just a buzz-phrase without any real meaning.

[Ethereal]

Lots of "suspected" Russian hacks on the power grid...

And that WAPO article was fake news.

https://goo.gl/FDRzLy

[Casper]

Lots of "suspected" Russian hacks on the power grid...

And that WAPO article was fake news.

https://goo.gl/FDRzLy
Oh good grief, they Tried to, and that is a Fact and not only in the US but also in Europe. You can make all the excuses you want but Russia is preparing for war, if you want to support them be my guest, you already stated you want the USA to disband so it would be par for the course on your part.

[Kalkin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y9oVC-mGW8

[Ethereal]

Oh good grief, they Tried to, and that is a Fact...

No, it isn't.

https://goo.gl/aiDQWm
https://goo.gl/wUXCXx

https://goo.gl/WtDZy1
Suspicion is not fact.

And the WAPO article is blatant fake news, as I have already demonstrated.

https://goo.gl/FDRzLy

So all you have are suspicions and fake news. Not very impressive.


...and not only in the US but also in Europe. You can make all the excuses you want but Russia is preparing for war, if you want to support them be my guest, you already stated you want the USA to disband so it would be par for the course on your part.

If Russia is preparing for war, it's because they are being threatened by the US government.

[Ethereal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y9oVC-mGW8
Funny how things change.

[Casper]

Funny how things change.

They both considered Russia a threat in 2012, and guess what, they still are, and as we see Congress agrees. Nope, none of it Fake news, your excuses for Russia are beginning to sound desperate, yeah, you are as American as apple pie..............

[Ethereal]

They both considered Russia a threat in 2012...

Obama mocked Romney for saying exactly what you're saying right now.


...and guess what, they still are, and as we see Congress agrees.

The US Congress is full of cowards and liars.


Nope, none of it Fake news...

The WAPO article was fake news.

https://goo.gl/83jFEc
The rest of the articles you posted are based on mere suspicions, which are not facts.


...your excuses for Russia are beginning to sound desperate...

Refuting nonsense is not the same thing as making excuses for Russia.


...yeah, you are as American as apple pie..............

You think being patriotic means mindless hatred for Russia. You are wrong.

[Kalkin]

They both considered Russia a threat in 2012, and guess what, they still are, and as we see Congress agrees. Nope, none of it Fake news, your excuses for Russia are beginning to sound desperate, yeah, you are as American as apple pie..............
No. Obama mocked Romney for suggesting such. Did you watch the debate?

[Casper]

Obama mocked Romney for saying exactly what you're saying right now.
2012, things have changed since then, Comrade.


The US Congress is full of cowards and liars.
No it is full of Americans, but you would not understand that.


The WAPO article was fake news.
Everyone here can do their own Goggle Search, the internet is full of articles on the topic, from all over North America and Europe, so sorry but either everyone else is involved in a massive conspiracy or you are clueless or worse.
https://goo.gl/83jFEc
The rest of the articles you posted are based on mere suspicions, which are not facts.



Refuting nonsense is not the same thing as making excuses for Russia.'

In Your case, it actually is.


You think being patriotic means mindless hatred for Russia. You are wrong.
Do not speak of Patriotism to me. You have openly stated you want the USA to break apart, and you continually support anything Russia does, that is not a form of Patriotism, that is more like Treason in most Americans book, that is if, as you claim, you are a US citizen, something I still suspect is not the truth.

[Kalkin]

Do not speak of Patriotism to me.

Or what? You'll pee your pants again?

[Ethereal]

2012, things have changed since then, Comrade.

Yea, a Democrat is no longer the president.


No it is full of Americans, but you would not understand that.

Does being an American mean someone cannot be a coward or a liar?


Everyone here can do their own Goggle Search, the internet is full of articles on the topic, from all over North America and Europe, so sorry but either everyone else is involved in a massive conspiracy or you are clueless or worse.

They don't need to do a Google search. I took a screen shot of the WAPO article and highlighted their retraction. Here it is again:

https://goo.gl/83jFEc

You know how to read, right? What does it say in the editor's note?


Do not speak of Patriotism to me. You have openly stated you want the USA to break apart, and you continually support anything Russia does, that is not a form of Patriotism, that is more like Treason in most Americans book, that is if, as you claim, you are a US citizen, something I still suspect is not the truth.

I will speak of whatever I want.

And your idea of "patriotism" seems to be nothing more than blind faith in the US government.

That is a pretty perverse form of patriotism, if you ask me.

And of course I'm a US citizen. I served in the US Marine Corps for four years between 2004 and 2008 and deployed to the Sunni Triangle in Iraq. Just know that you are insulting and attacking a combat veteran who risked his life in service to the US.

[Casper]

Yea, a Democrat is no longer the president.



Does being an American mean someone cannot be a coward or a liar?



They don't need to do a Google search. I took a screen shot of the WAPO article and highlighted their retraction. Here it is again:

https://goo.gl/83jFEc

You know how to read, right? What does it say in the editor's note?



I will speak of whatever I want.

And your idea of "patriotism" seems to be nothing more than blind faith in the US government.

That is a pretty perverse form of patriotism, if you ask me.

And of course I'm a US citizen. I served in the US Marine Corps for four years between 2004 and 2008 and deployed to the Sunni Triangle in Iraq. Just know that you are insulting and attacking a combat veteran who risked his life in service to the US.
Sorry but you have already shown your true colors too many times to think you give a darn about this Nation.

So you served, I served also, for 8 years and also have my combat time as a Grunt, same goes for my entire family, father, uncles, aunt, and son so your claim of being a patriotic American because of your service is falling on death ears with me, since I have seen you defend Russian actions time and time again and you have advocated the destruction of the USA, you are no Patriot by any definition of the term. Period.

You have had your say on the topic, all lies according to You, your usual reply when it comes to Russia. Got more to say, then say it to someone that has an interest in hearing it, you have used up your allocated time with me, heck I gave you more than I should have.

[Ethereal]

Sorry but you have already shown your true colors too many times to think you give a darn about this Nation.

So you served, I served also, for 8 years and also have my combat time as a Grunt, same goes for my entire family, father, uncles, aunt, and son so your claim of being a patriotic American because of your service is falling on death ears with me, since I have seen you defend Russian actions time and time again and you have advocated the destruction of the USA, you are no Patriot by any definition of the term. Period.

You have had your say on the topic, all lies according to You, your usual reply when it comes to Russia. Got more to say, then say it to someone that has an interest in hearing it, you have used up your allocated time with me, heck I gave you more than I should have.
So I defended Russian actions. So what? How does that make me unpatriotic? Does being a patriot mean I have to disagree with everything Russia does? Does being a patriot mean I have to agree with everything the US government does? What, exactly, is your idea of "patriotism" anyway? And who made you the arbiter of who is and is not a patriot?

[Grokmaster]

There has been a lot of talk about Russian attempts to hack into our election and that debate continues when it comes to if it had changed anything in the election or not, but that is not what is scary.
What should concern All Americans is that Russian has been trying to hack into the power grid of other Nations, including the US. There is only ONE reason to do this and that is to shut down the power grid and possible do serious damage to their enemies, yes, that would be Us. My thought is this was done during the elections so that they would fly under the public radar, how do you make an elephant disappear in front of alive audience, Distraction.
Personally I consider this as an act of war or one preparing for a war. So, when you speak of dropping the sanctions on Russia keep in mind that they are preparing to attack this Nation and as such are all our enemy, or do you still want to make excuses for them.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian-hacking-of-ukraines-power-grid-test-run-for-us-attack/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russian-hackers-penetrated-us-electricity-grid-through-a-utility-in-vermont/2016/12/30/8fc90cc4-ceec-11e6-b8a2-8c2a61b0436f_story.html

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2017/06/russia_s_power_grid_cyberweapon_is_scary.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world-0/hacking-us-power-plans-wolf-creek-sabotage-energy-fbi-power-plant-electricity-grid-a7828261.html

https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/russia-named-as-culprit-in-latest-us-power-plant-hacks

and then there is this:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-07/russians-are-said-to-be-suspects-in-hacks-involving-nuclear-site

2015. MORE CRAP that the Obama Adm. and the "17 Vaunted Intell Agencies" FAILED TO PROTECT US FROM, just like the ELECTION CYBER ATTACK, alleged by Obama himself, with months of advanced notice...did nothing, in both cases.

Dereliction of duty at the LEAST...TREASON at the most.

When do we start marching these slimy traitors before a Grand Jury to answer for their crimes?

[waltky]

Russia Hacked Energy Grid...
:shocked:
US Says Russia Hacked Energy Grid, Punishes 19 for Meddling
15 Mar 2018 | WASHINGTON — Pushing back harder on Russia, the Trump administration accused Moscow on Thursday of a concerted hacking operation targeting the U.S. energy grid, aviation systems and other infrastructure, and also imposed sanctions on Russians for alleged interference in the 2016 election.


It was the strongest action to date against Russia by the administration, which has long been accused of being too soft on the Kremlin, and the first punishments for election meddling since President Donald Trump took office. The sanctions list included the 13 Russians indicted last month by special counsel Robert Mueller, whose Russia investigation the president has repeatedly sought to discredit. U.S. national security officials said the FBI, Department of Homeland Security and intelligence agencies had determined that Russian intelligence and others were behind a broad range of cyberattacks beginning a year ago that have infiltrated the energy, nuclear, commercial, water, aviation and manufacturing sectors. The officials said the Russian hackers chose their targets, obtained access to computer systems, conducted "network reconnaissance" of systems that control key elements of the U.S. economy and then attempted to cover their tracks by deleting evidence of their infiltration. The U.S. government has helped the industries kick out the Russians from all systems currently known to have been penetrated, according to the officials, but the efforts continue. The officials, who briefed reporters on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive national security information, left open the possibility of discovering more breaches, and said the federal government was issuing an alert to the energy industry to raise awareness about the threat and improve preparation.

That alert, published online by Homeland Security, said the hacking effort was a "multi-stage intrusion campaign by Russian government cyber actors who targeted small commercial facilities' networks" to gain access and plant malware, which was then used to monitor activity as well as to move laterally into other, larger industrial control systems. It also said the hackers exploited open-source material from companies' public websites to mine seemingly innocuous information that was later used to infiltrate networks. In one case, the alert said, hackers downloaded a small image from a company's human resources page that when blown up was actually "a high-resolution photo that displayed control systems equipment models and status information in the background." The accusations and accompanying Russian sanctions were the most severe yet by the Trump administration in connection with hacking and other efforts to sow discord in America's democracy and compromise its infrastructure. Also Thursday, President Donald Trump, who has been publicly skeptical of the election allegations, joined the leaders of Britain, France and Germany in a joint statement blaming Moscow for the poisoning of an ex-Russian spy who was living in England.

Reaction from Russia was swift.

Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said Moscow was greeting the sanctions calmly, but he warned that Russia had already started "to prepare a response." He suggested the Trump administration had timed the sanctions to come ahead of this weekend's presidential election in Russia, in which President Vladimir Putin is expected to win an overwhelming victory. "It is tied to U.S. internal disorder, tied of course to our electoral calendar," Ryabkov was quoted as saying by the Russian state news agency Tass. The list of Russians now under U.S. sanctions includes the 13 indicted last month by U.S. special counsel Robert Mueller as part of his Russia-related investigation into alleged election interference. The sanctions are the first use of the new powers that Congress passed last year to punish Moscow for meddling in an election that Trump won over Democrat Hillary Clinton. "These targeted sanctions are a part of a broader effort to address the ongoing nefarious attacks emanating from Russia," Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said. He said others would face punishment in the future under the new sanctions law "to hold Russian government officials and oligarchs accountable for their destabilizing activities." Altogether, 19 Russians were cited. Also sanctioned were five Russian companies, including the Internet Research Agency, which is accused of orchestrating a mass online disinformation campaign to affect the presidential election result. The U.S. Treasury Department announced the sanctions amid withering criticism accusing Trump and his administration of failing to use its congressionally mandated authority to punish Russia. The sanction targets include officials working for the Russian military intelligence agency GRU.

Thursday's action freezes any assets the individuals and entities may have in the United States and bars Americans from doing business with them. The Treasury Department said the GRU and Russia's military both interfered in the 2016 election and were "directly responsible" for the NotPetya cyberattack that hit businesses across Europe in June 2017, causing billions of dollars in damage by disrupting global shipping, trade and medicine production. It noted that the attack caused several U.S. hospitals to be unable to create electronic medical records for more than a week. Among those affected was Yevgeny Prigozhin, who is known as "Putin's chef" and who ran the St. Petersburg-based Internet Research Agency, and 12 of the agency's employees. They were included in Mueller's indictment last month. The agency "tampered with, altered or caused a misappropriation of information with the purpose or effect of interfering with or undermining election processes and institutions," specifically the 2016 U.S. presidential race. "The IRA created and managed a vast number of fake online personas that posed as legitimate U.S. persons to include grass-roots organizations, interest groups and a state political party on social media," the Treasury Department statement said. "Through this activity, the IRA posted thousands of ads that reached millions of people online." The sanctions also affect the Russian Federal Security Service, or FSB, and six of its employees for cyberattacks more broadly, including those targeting Russian journalists, opposition figures, foreign politicians and U.S. officials. The Americans include members of the diplomatic corps, the military and White House staffers.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/03/15/us-says-russia-hacked-energy-grid-punishes-19-meddling.html