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Chris
08-04-2017, 09:44 AM
The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass on your lawn. The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it.

P. J. O'Rourke


Oops, Republicans Did It Again (http://reason.com/archives/2017/08/03/oops-republicans-did-it-again)


Despite a mountain of historical evidence that the Republican Party doesn't seriously stand for smaller government and individual liberty, I maintained some hope that this time would be different. With the GOP's retaking control of Congress and the White House, I actually thought Obamacare could be repealed and maybe even replaced with free market health care reforms. But though the night is still young in terms of the GOP's latest return to power, Republicans have quickly demonstrated that I should have trusted my usual pessimism, because it's clear that they're not guided by any principled support for limited government.

Though a few congressional Republicans sincerely believe in markets and freedom, the party is largely dominated by pretenders and outright statists. One need only look back to when Republicans last controlled Washington. Republicans and the George W. Bush administration massively increased spending and the federal debt.

...An amazing thing happened, though, when Barack Obama was elected and the Democrats regained control of Congress. Republicans suddenly remembered the horrors of federal overspending, mounting debt and the endless intrusion by the federal government into every aspect of our lives. Republicans lambasted the notion that Keynesian-style big-government spending would boost the economy. They decried Obamacare and the Democrats' love for "socialized medicine." They bemoaned continuous growth in federal debt and conveniently laid the problem at Obama's feet.

Then another amazing thing happened: Donald Trump was elected, and the GOP was once again in charge. Almost immediately, Republicans began touting increased military and infrastructure spending to create jobs and spur the economy—the very Keynesian-inspired policies they attacked when advocated by Democrats. Even the small number of federal program terminations proposed by the Trump administration were too much for congressional Republicans. Nope—when it comes to the federal budget and yet another looming brush-up against the federal debt ceiling, Republicans reveal that they're content to maintain an untenable status quo, despite all the lip service paid to the dangers of big government over the years.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnkeDlOGkAw

Newpublius
08-04-2017, 11:04 AM
The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass on your lawn. The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it.

P. J. O'Rourke


Oops, Republicans Did It Again (http://reason.com/archives/2017/08/03/oops-republicans-did-it-again)




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnkeDlOGkAw

No doubt, they talk a good talk.....they don't walk the walk.

Chris
08-04-2017, 11:16 AM
No doubt, they talk a good talk.....they don't walk the walk.

Exactly. Dems promise to do more and fail and Reps promise to do less and fail.

Jets
08-04-2017, 12:04 PM
Exactly. Dems promise to do more and fail and Reps promise to do less and fail.

Campaign promises are nothing but political rhetoric. Tell people what they want to hear even if it means lying to their faces to get elected or worse re-elected.

Chris
08-04-2017, 12:17 PM
Campaign promises are nothing but political rhetoric. Tell people what they want to hear even if it means lying to their faces to get elected or worse re-elected.

And people, many of them, just keep on believing.

Brett Nortje
08-04-2017, 12:21 PM
The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass on your lawn. The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it.
P. J. O'Rourke
Oops, Republicans Did It Again (http://reason.com/archives/2017/08/03/oops-republicans-did-it-again)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnkeDlOGkAw
When the republicans lost the power, they were unable to spend, so of course they didn't want the dems spending. now that they can spend, they want to, but, remember, the people in charge are different to the people that were in charge eight years ago, leaving about a decade of succession or new people taking posts within.

Then, the other thing you must not forget is that people take this job personally. if they were to want to spend and stuff, it is like shopping, yes? impulse shopping has been avoided, and, put to congress, and, they are not trying to repeal that. thankfully no side can repeal that both have to vote on things. with all the private agendas out there, it is all corruption that leads to urgency to spend, of course, as, why else would they care? really?

Now, if the conservatives were to provide this military and infrastructure spending, then they would secure the country in these trying times. the reason obama wanted to spend was because of the wars, and, now the conservatives need to spend because of the wars. why spend over the wars? because the wars will make them feel good to win, just like before, and then of course, they might not realize, there will be more wars, because the better they feel, the more they get involved, yes? it is all about 'self image.'

Chris
08-04-2017, 12:40 PM
When the republicans lost the power, they were unable to spend, so of course they didn't want the dems spending. now that they can spend, they want to, but, remember, the people in charge are different to the people that were in charge eight years ago, leaving about a decade of succession or new people taking posts within.

Then, the other thing you must not forget is that people take this job personally. if they were to want to spend and stuff, it is like shopping, yes? impulse shopping has been avoided, and, put to congress, and, they are not trying to repeal that. thankfully no side can repeal that both have to vote on things. with all the private agendas out there, it is all corruption that leads to urgency to spend, of course, as, why else would they care? really?

Now, if the conservatives were to provide this military and infrastructure spending, then they would secure the country in these trying times. the reason obama wanted to spend was because of the wars, and, now the conservatives need to spend because of the wars. why spend over the wars? because the wars will make them feel good to win, just like before, and then of course, they might not realize, there will be more wars, because the better they feel, the more they get involved, yes? it is all about 'self image.'


Republicans aren't really all that conservative.

Chris
08-04-2017, 12:47 PM
I don't want to make excuses for Reps but their establishment Senators and Representatives in Congress have had to kowtow to Dems so often and long in control that they tend to lean that way. Contract with America tried to change it, the Tea Parties tried to change it, but the tendency remains and I don't see Trump changing that.

https://i.snag.gy/Gskgo9.jpg

Beevee
08-04-2017, 02:38 PM
And people, many of them, just keep on believing.

Apparently 66m Americans, according to one posters calculations. That's about 1 in 6.
So it's the other 5 of 6 who are consistently wrong.

Chris
08-04-2017, 02:48 PM
Apparently 66m Americans, according to one posters calculations. That's about 1 in 6.
So it's the other 5 of 6 who are consistently wrong.

What I see is voter turnout was low last election, around 53.5%. We just need to get that down further for people to start doubting the validity of the system.

Tahuyaman
08-04-2017, 04:21 PM
No doubt, they talk a good talk.....they don't walk the walk.

Democrats stand for huge over bearing government. Republicans just think they can manage that government more efficiently.