RussiaGate: A CIA Disinformation Operation - A Coup

[MisterVeritis]

The CIA's revenge against President Trump.

Seymour Hersh.

This is a coup.

"he reveals from his inside FBI and Washington DC Police Department sources — now, long before the Justice Department’s Special Counsel Robert Mueller will be presenting his official ‘findings’ to the nation — that the charges that Russia had anything to do with the leaks from the DNC and Hillary Clinton’s campaign to Wikileaks, that those charges spread by the press, were a CIA-planted lie, and that what Wikileaks had gotten was only leaks (including at least from the murdered DNC-staffer Seth Rich), and were not from any outsider (including ’the Russians’), but that Rich didn’t get killed for that, but was instead shot in the back during a brutal robbery, which occurred in the high-crime DC neighborhood where he lived."

. . .

"The feds get through, and this is what they find. This is according to the FBI report. What they find is he makes cont- first of all this is what you have to know, you have to know some basic facts, one of the basic factors, in that there’s no DNC or Podesta emails that exist beyond May 22nd."

. . .

"I’d just say late spring, early summer and he [Seth Rich] makes contact with Wikileaks. That’s in his computer and he makes contact."

. . .

"All I know is that he (Seth) offered a sample, an extensive sample, you know I’m sure dozens of email and said “I want money”. Then later Wikileaks did get the password, he had a Dropbox, a protected Dropbox, which isn’t hard to do, I mean you don’t have to be a wizard IT, you know, he was certainly not a dumb kid. They [the FBI] got access to the Dropbox."

. . .

" I have a narrative of how that whole fucking thing began, it’s a Brennan operation, it was an American disinformation and fucking the fucking President, at one point when they, they even started telling the press, they were back briefing the press, the head of the NSA was going and telling the press, fucking cock-sucker Rogers, was telling the press that we even know who in the GRU, the Russian Military Intelligence Service, who leaked it. I mean all bullshit."

. . .

"These guys run the fucking Times, and Trump’s not wrong. But I mean I wish he would calm down and had a better a better press secretary, I mean you don’t have to be so. Trump’s not wrong to think they all fucking lie about him."

. . .

"The purpose of those distorting ‘news’ stories might be a desire, on the part of both the Democratic Party aristocrats and the Republican Party aristocrats, to distract the public’s attention away from the far deeper understanding that drives the “narrative” that Hersh, in that clip, is describing: rot by the U.S. aristocracy, which controls both of America’s political Parties, to deceive the American public (http://archive.is/aQIzs). The objective is to protect the aristocracy. "


http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=80088

This is a coup.

[MisterVeritis]

Here is the youtube audio


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYzB96_EK7s

[Peter1469]

Next up- claims that Hersh is off his rocker. He pissed off a lot of people when he made those claims.

[Ethereal]

Some of the best journalists in America - Hersh, Greenwald, Parry - have all said this is a deep state coup. None of them are Trump supporters.

[Crepitus]

Gotta love conspiracy theorists.

[Ethereal]

Gotta love conspiracy theorists.
But you are the forum's biggest conspiracy theorist.

[Crepitus]

But you are the forum's biggest conspiracy theorist.

Lol, you did read the thread title and op right?

[Tahuyaman]

Gotta love conspiracy theorists.
Just as you gotta love partisan hacks.

[Tahuyaman]

It's obvious that the traditional political establishment both Democrat and Republican view the Trump administration as a threat to their hold on power. I don't know how anyone can fail to see this.

[Doublejack]

It's obvious that the traditional political establishment both Democrat and Republican view the Trump administration as a threat to their hold on power. I don't know how anyone can fail to see this.

So does the majority of the population.

Nobody cares if he gets Coup Coup A Choo'd.

[Tahuyaman]

So does the majority of the population.

Nobody cares if he gets Coup Coup A Choo'd.

I think a lot of people do care. Enough care to make a difference.

[Crepitus]

Just as you gotta love partisan hacks.

I know! Right?

[Doublejack]

I think a lot of people do care. Enough care to make a difference.

For sure the uber stupid are still being fooled by this con artist (and they are a lot) but at this point it's only a matter of time before even they wake up to reality.

[Ethereal]

Lol, you did read the thread title and op right?

You should have no objections given your penchant for peddling conspiracy theories day and night for months on end.

[Tahuyaman]

For sure the uber stupid are still being fooled by this con artist (and they are a lot) but at this point it's only a matter of time before even they wake up to reality. uh huh.. I would say that it's not healthy to be so hard on yourself.

[Ethereal]

So does the majority of the population.

Since when do you speak for the majority of the population?


Nobody cares if he gets Coup Coup A Choo'd.

People who care about the integrity of representative democracy certainly care.

Trump made his case to the American electorate and won fair and square.

Letting a bunch of unelected, secretive bureaucrats undermine the will of the American electorate might be the most anti-democratic thing I've ever heard of.

[Ethereal]

For sure the uber stupid are still being fooled by this con artist (and they are a lot) but at this point it's only a matter of time before even they wake up to reality.
You realize it is possible to believe that Trump is a dishonest, egotistical dilettante without having to believe he's also a secret Russian agent, right?

[Crepitus]

You should have no objections given your penchant for peddling conspiracy theories day and night for months on end.

He's entitled to his opinion.

Doesn't make it not a conspiracy theory though.

[Peter1469]

So the DNC took out Seth Rich and the hard left is talking about Trump.

lol

[MisterVeritis]

The CIA's revenge against President Trump.

Seymour Hersh.

This is a coup.

"he reveals from his inside FBI and Washington DC Police Department sources — now, long before the Justice Department’s Special Counsel Robert Mueller will be presenting his official ‘findings’ to the nation — that the charges that Russia had anything to do with the leaks from the DNC and Hillary Clinton’s campaign to Wikileaks, that those charges spread by the press, were a CIA-planted lie, and that what Wikileaks had gotten was only leaks (including at least from the murdered DNC-staffer Seth Rich), and were not from any outsider (including ’the Russians’), but that Rich didn’t get killed for that, but was instead shot in the back during a brutal robbery, which occurred in the high-crime DC neighborhood where he lived."

. . .

"The feds get through, and this is what they find. This is according to the FBI report. What they find is he makes cont- first of all this is what you have to know, you have to know some basic facts, one of the basic factors, in that there’s no DNC or Podesta emails that exist beyond May 22nd."

. . .

"I’d just say late spring, early summer and he [Seth Rich] makes contact with Wikileaks. That’s in his computer and he makes contact."

. . .

"All I know is that he (Seth) offered a sample, an extensive sample, you know I’m sure dozens of email and said “I want money”. Then later Wikileaks did get the password, he had a Dropbox, a protected Dropbox, which isn’t hard to do, I mean you don’t have to be a wizard IT, you know, he was certainly not a dumb kid. They [the FBI] got access to the Dropbox."

. . .

" I have a narrative of how that whole fucking thing began, it’s a Brennan operation, it was an American disinformation and fucking the fucking President, at one point when they, they even started telling the press, they were back briefing the press, the head of the NSA was going and telling the press, fucking cock-sucker Rogers, was telling the press that we even know who in the GRU, the Russian Military Intelligence Service, who leaked it. I mean all bullshit."

. . .

"These guys run the fucking Times, and Trump’s not wrong. But I mean I wish he would calm down and had a better a better press secretary, I mean you don’t have to be so. Trump’s not wrong to think they all fucking lie about him."

. . .

"The purpose of those distorting ‘news’ stories might be a desire, on the part of both the Democratic Party aristocrats and the Republican Party aristocrats, to distract the public’s attention away from the far deeper understanding that drives the “narrative” that Hersh, in that clip, is describing: rot by the U.S. aristocracy, which controls both of America’s political Parties, to deceive the American public (http://archive.is/aQIzs). The objective is to protect the aristocracy. "


http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=80088

This is a coup.
Imagine that. A coup attempt.

[Ethereal]

Thinks the CIA is attempting a coup against Trump, but refuses to believe the CIA did the same thing to JFK... I smell hypocrisy.

[MisterVeritis]

Thinks the CIA is attempting a coup against Trump, but refuses to believe the CIA did the same thing to JFK... I smell hypocrisy.
The first is current events and relevant. The second is history, interesting for its own sake but not relevant today.

[Ethereal]

The first is current events and relevant. The second is history, interesting for its own sake but not relevant today.

This is what psychologists refer to as "cognitive dissonance".

[MisterVeritis]

This is what psychologists refer to as "cognitive dissonance".
Some of us recognize it as focus on the relevant things.

Eventually, you may reach the point where it is possible for you.

[DGUtley]

Back on subject away from the bickering, How can you read this as anything other than a coup attempt?

[Ethereal]

Back on subject away from the bickering, How can you read this as anything other than a coup attempt?
The subject appears to be a CIA coup against a sitting president. In my humble opinion, the same thing happened to JFK. In other words, what we're witnessing here is generally referred to as a pattern. Presidents are elected under nominally democratic circumstances only to be subject to the undue influence of an entrenched deep state who, by the way, has decades of experience subverting and overthrowing foreign governments. Is it any surprise to learn that they've been using such techniques on the US government? Do you think ignoring the past and the obvious patterns it evinces will help Trump now or in the future?

[The Xl]

This is the true nature of the CIA and always has been. It's fucking childs play compared to what they did to Kennedy. Your government doesn't love you, your government has an agenda, your government plays by different rules than you do.

[The Xl]

Back on subject away from the bickering, How can you read this as anything other than a coup attempt?
Let's see what our esteemed justice system does about it. Let's see if they can actually do their job and prosecute and convict real criminals guilty of high treason and other major crimes as opposed to fucking around and profiting off low level non violent drug users and sellers and the like.

[Ethereal]

This is the true nature of the CIA and always has been. It's $#@!ing childs play compared to what they did to Kennedy. Your government doesn't love you, your government has an agenda, your government plays by different rules than you do.

Apparently, if you believe Trump is the victim of a coup attempt, then you're a very serious and thoughtful person. But if you believe the same thing happened to JFK, for almost exactly the same reasons, then somehow you're a "kook" who is going off topic. I guess the concept of history repeating itself is lost on some.

[Ethereal]

Let's see what our esteemed justice system does about it. Let's see if they can actually do their job and prosecute and convict real criminals guilty of high treason and other major crimes as opposed to $#@!ing around and profiting off low level non violent drug users and sellers and the like.

Nothing will happen because Trump supporters want to pretend like this is some kind of isolated, unprecedented incident. For them, it has to be all about Trump. Any attempt to fit this into a larger historical context is brushed aside because it forces them to think about such things outside the left-right dichotomy.

[The Xl]

Apparently, if you believe Trump is the victim of a coup attempt, then you're a very serious and thoughtful person. But if you believe the same thing happened to JFK, for almost exactly the same reasons, then somehow you're a "kook" who is going off topic. I guess the concept of history repeating itself is lost on some.
Lol, and Kennedy did way more to piss off the power structure and other players than Trump did, screwed with the CIA, screwed with the Federal Reserve and the money changers, wanted to circulate debt free currency back into the country, turned on the mafia who financed him in part, and that's just the tip of it. Trump has done a fraction of what Kennedy did to the deep state and they're coming for him, of course they'd put a bullet in Kennedys head. Anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot. They'd rather believe in a retarded magic bullet theory and that some private level patsy could make an impossible shot. Lmfao.

[Ethereal]

Lol, and Kennedy did way more to piss off the power structure and other players than Trump did, screwed with the CIA, screwed with the Federal Reserve and the money changers, wanted to circulate debt free currency back into the country, turned on the mafia who financed him in part, and that's just the tip of it. Trump has done a fraction of what Kennedy did to the deep state and they're coming for him, of course they'd put a bullet in Kennedys head. Anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot. They'd rather believe in a retarded magic bullet theory and that some private level patsy could make an impossible shot. Lmfao.

JFK and Trump both had notions of a detente with Russia. Detente with Russia would jeopardize billions and billions of dollars of spending on the military and the intelligence agencies. Is it really so hard to believe that the powerful people who profit from that arrangement would use any means at their disposal to sustain it? Or are we just supposed to continue believing in US mythology about the nobility of government actors?

[DGUtley]

I haven't seen any evidence of a JFK / CIA conspiracy. I've talked to a member of the Warren Commission and read most popular books on this subject. Mob-related? Yes. CIA? I haven't connected those dots.

[MisterVeritis]

The subject appears to be a CIA coup against a sitting president. In my humble opinion, the same thing happened to JFK. In other words, what we're witnessing here is generally referred to as a pattern. Presidents are elected under nominally democratic circumstances only to be subject to the undue influence of an entrenched deep state who, by the way, has decades of experience subverting and overthrowing foreign governments. Is it any surprise to learn that they've been using such techniques on the US government? Do you think ignoring the past and the obvious patterns it evinces will help Trump now or in the future?
I suppose, if one wants to look across the ages one can find any number of patterns. What has it been, sixty years?

[MisterVeritis]

Apparently, if you believe Trump is the victim of a coup attempt, then you're a very serious and thoughtful person. But if you believe the same thing happened to JFK, for almost exactly the same reasons, then somehow you're a "kook" who is going off topic. I guess the concept of history repeating itself is lost on some.
I would word it differently. If you believe there is a coup attempt against a current President involving the top tiers of the DNI, NSA, CIA, DOJ, FBI and some members of the Five Eyes group you are a serious and thoughtful person. If you believe the CIA murdered an American President sixty years ago then you likely are also interested in the Lincoln assassination.

[MisterVeritis]

The FBI, a wholly corrupt criminal enterprise ran another informant to attempt to create the impression of Russia-Trump collusion in May 2016.

The man, who called himself Henry Greenberg, offered damaging information about Hillary Clinton, Trump’s presumptive Democratic opponent in the upcoming presidential election, according to Stone, who spoke about the previously unreported incident in interviews with The Washington Post. Greenberg, who did not reveal the information he claimed to possess, wanted Trump to pay $2 million for the political dirt, Stone said.
“You don’t understand Donald Trump,” Stone recalled saying before rejecting the offer at a restaurant in the Russian-expat magnet of Sunny Isles, Fla. “He doesn’t pay for anything.”

In a separate interview, Stone said, “I didn’t realize it was an FBI sting operation at the time, but it sure looks like one now.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-associate-roger-stone-reveals-new-contact-with-russian-national-during-2016-campaign/2018/06/17/4a8123c8-6fd0-11e8-bd50-b80389a4e569_story.html?utm_term=.d796dbc3a280


Greenberg turned out to be a Russian being run by the FBI.


Stone and Caputo reportedly claim the meeting was a setup by US law enforcement, as Greenberg has previously said in immigration documents that he worked as an FBI informant but stopped in 2013. Greenberg, who also goes by the name Henry Oknyansky, denied to the Post he was working on behalf of the FBI in the meeting.

The meeting has come under scrutiny as part of the special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian involvement in the 2016 US presidential campaign, and whether the Trump campaign coordinated with the Kremlin.

Note the setup. An FBI informant, a Russian working for the FBI approaches the Trump campaign and is rebuffed in a meeting that may have lasted a couple of minutes. But Mueller and his henchmen know about the meeting and know where to find corroboration that it took place.

https://www.mysanantonio.com/technology/businessinsider/article/Roger-Stone-now-says-he-met-with-a-Russian-during-13001828.php


It is time to defund the FBI.