Fact Check: Experts Call Trump's Tax Claim False

[Bethere]

The man is a liar. He seeks to line his pockets via tax reform. He thinks we are too stupid to pay attention or do anything about it.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/fact-check-experts-call-trump-s-tax-claim-false-n791651

[Kalkin]

Lol

[Tahuyaman]

With the left taxes have nowhere to go but up. I don't get why they are so intent on taking more money from those who earn it.

[Captain Obvious]

bethere is a liar and a coward

[Kalkin]

I don't get why they are so intent on taking more money from those who earn it.
Greed and envy.

[Bo-4]

The man is a liar. He seeks to line his pockets via tax reform. He thinks we are too stupid to pay attention or do anything about it.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/fact-check-experts-call-trump-s-tax-claim-false-n791651

Man, the NYT is two weeks behind .. tracking Trump whoppers is a full time job for a staff of 10!

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html

[Bethere]

With the left taxes have nowhere to go but up. I don't get why they are so intent on taking more money from those who earn it.

Why is it necessary to claim our taxes are the highest in the world when it isn't even close to being the case?

[Kalkin]

Why is it necessary to claim our taxes are the highest in the world when it isn't even close to being the case?

That's not necessary. Our taxes are too high. The rest of the world is irrelevant.

[Tahuyaman]

Why is it necessary to claim our taxes are the highest in the world when it isn't even close to being the case?


When you consider all of our taxes, we are extremely overtaxed.

[Bethere]

When you consider all of our taxes, we are extremely overtaxed.

And yet our aggregate taxes are the lowest they've been since the 1950s.


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.wccf.org/usa-today-tax-bills-lowest-since-1950/&ved=0ahUKEwjh7ojdvM_VAhWCy4MKHc8-AXIQFghkMAc&usg=AFQjCNFC2s9pMxGmKD0PzAwO8QoU8GRiLw

USA Today: Tax Bills Lowest Since 1950 - WCCF

[Grokmaster]

The man is a liar. He seeks to line his pockets via tax reform. He thinks we are too stupid to pay attention or do anything about it.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/fact-check-experts-call-trump-s-tax-claim-false-n791651

Please explain how giving all Americans a tax cut, is "lining his pockets". It's not like he needs the money, is it? More Fake News bullshit

[Grokmaster]

And yet our aggregate taxes are the lowest they've been since the 1950s.


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.wccf.org/usa-today-tax-bills-lowest-since-1950/&ved=0ahUKEwjh7ojdvM_VAhWCy4MKHc8-AXIQFghkMAc&usg=AFQjCNFC2s9pMxGmKD0PzAwO8QoU8GRiLw

USA Today: Tax Bills Lowest Since 1950 - WCCF
Bull.

[Bethere]

Bull.

I'm sorry that reality crushes your fantasy.

[Grokmaster]

I'm sorry that reality crushes your fantasy.

No, it's bullshit. Those producing income are taxed worse than they ever have been, while the democrat voters half of the country pay NO TAXES, but TAKE TAX MONEY FROM OTHERS, which cause the "aggregate" to appear lower than the reality of the situation. Eliminate the freeloaders, and it is a far different picture.

The bottom half of earners pay LESS THAN 3% of the total taxes, while the top 1% pay 37% of the taxes. When one half of the nation DOESN'T EVEN PAY TAXES, it's easy to make the FALSE CLAIMS on the OP, and you.

"Tax experts". What a joke.

[Kalkin]

And yet our aggregate taxes are the lowest they've been since the 1950s.

I like how you slipped the word "aggregate" in there. Of course the aggregate is low, a huge portion of the population pays nothing. That doesn't mean the productive people aren't overtaxed.

[Grokmaster]

http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Bethere http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=2112127#post2112127) I'm sorry that reality crushes your fantasy."





Hardly. It's YOUR FANTASY that the facts crush.



"As the nearby chart shows, the wealthy’s tax burden is considerably larger than their share of the nation’s income. High-income taxpayers earned 28 percent of total adjusted gross (AGI) income in 2014 while paying 55 percent of the entire income tax burden. By contrast, the remaining 145 million taxpayers command 72 percent of the nation’s income, but paid a combined total of 45 percent of all income taxes."







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https://taxfoundation.org/new-irs-data-wealthy-paid-55-percent-income-taxes-2014/





Pres.Trump is RIGHT AGAIN, AS USUAL....

[Adelaide]

bethere is a liar and a coward

Please discuss the topic and not other members.

[Grokmaster]

Man, the NYT is two weeks behind .. tracking Trump whoppers is a full time job for a staff of 10!

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html

The LIES in this thread are in the OP...and are certainly not from Pres.Trump, who is ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

[Grokmaster]

Why is it necessary to claim our taxes are the highest in the world when it isn't even close to being the case?
Because the FACTS prove that they are...except for the half of the nation (democrats) who PAY NO TAXES.

[Newpublius]

Why is it necessary to claim our taxes are the highest in the world when it isn't even close to being the case?
Puffing, so what? Point is, they're high and they're the single largest expense for many.

The government is taking too much and you turkeys are promising to take EVEN FUCKING MORE.

[Newpublius]

Please explain how giving all Americans a tax cut, is "lining his pockets". It's not like he needs the money, is it? More Fake News bull$#@!

Note how simply keeping the money you earned has become 'lining one's pockets'

[Tahuyaman]

And yet our aggregate taxes are the lowest they've been since the 1950s.


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.wccf.org/usa-today-tax-bills-lowest-since-1950/&ved=0ahUKEwjh7ojdvM_VAhWCy4MKHc8-AXIQFghkMAc&usg=AFQjCNFC2s9pMxGmKD0PzAwO8QoU8GRiLw

USA Today: Tax Bills Lowest Since 1950 - WCCF


And that's why "tax freedom day" comes at a later date year by year.

[leekohler2]

Because the FACTS prove that they are...except for the half of the nation (democrats) who PAY NO TAXES.

Prove that Democrats pay no taxes. NOW or STFU!

Because I'm a Democrat, most of my friends are too. And I guarantee you we are anything but poor and we pay plenty in taxes.

God, I get sick of you pathetic partisans.

[Tahuyaman]

Note how simply keeping the money you earned has become 'lining one's pockets'

There's a mentality which says that it's the government's money to begin with.

[Newpublius]

And yet our aggregate taxes are the lowest they've been since the 1950s.


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.wccf.org/usa-today-tax-bills-lowest-since-1950/&ved=0ahUKEwjh7ojdvM_VAhWCy4MKHc8-AXIQFghkMAc&usg=AFQjCNFC2s9pMxGmKD0PzAwO8QoU8GRiLw

USA Today: Tax Bills Lowest Since 1950 - WCCF
Sometimes when you read things and you want to believe them you have to ask what substantiates such a claim. So, clicking on the link:

"A new analysis of federal data by USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/taxes/2010-05-10-taxes_N.htm) shows that Americans’ total federal, state and local tax bills in 2009 were the lowest they’ve been since 1950. According to the analysis, federal, state and local taxes — including income, property, sales and other taxes — consumed 9.2% of all personal income in 2009, well below the historic average of 12% over the last half-century. So despite the media hoopla created by Tea Party protests, the idea that taxes are currently out of hand is simply not grounded in fact."

You read that and you should know that is not even debtably true, you realize that right?

Trust me, in our wildest dreams we would HOPE that would be true!

[leekohler2]

Note how simply keeping the money you earned has become 'lining one's pockets'

Keeping the money you earned? OK, well then- how do you suppose we pay for roads, fire and police departments, the military, etc? Or should those simply be free?

For all the conservative talk about liberals "wanting things for free" it seems to me the conservatives are the ones who expect something for nothing.

[Abby08]

Keeping the money you earned? OK, well then- how do you suppose we pay for roads, fire and police departments, the military, etc? Or should those simply be free?

For all the conservative talk about liberals "wanting things for free" it seems to me the conservatives are the ones who expect something for nothing.

Really? I heard no Republican presidential candidate, wanting free college, more people qualifying for government benefits, it isn't Republicans that gave out free phones, if wasn't Republican voters hailing the new president because, "it's about time, now maybe WE can get what we deserve" it wasn't Republicans believing/thinking, they would no longer have to pay their mortgage, their car payment or, utility bills.

WHO, again, are the ones wanting/expecting something for nothing!!??

[Captain Obvious]

Keeping the money you earned? OK, well then- how do you suppose we pay for roads, fire and police departments, the military, etc? Or should those simply be free?

For all the conservative talk about liberals "wanting things for free" it seems to me the conservatives are the ones who expect something for nothing.

...or healthcare for freeloaders, or bombs, or deficits from several terms ago...

[Grokmaster]

Prove that Democrats pay no taxes. NOW or STFU!

Because I'm a Democrat, most of my friends are too. And I guarantee you we are anything but poor and we pay plenty in taxes.

God, I get sick of you pathetic partisans.


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State with the most welfare (pay no taxes) reciprients = California. New York has the 2nd highest number + LINEAR THOUGHT =these are overwhelmingly DEMOCRATS. It's a pattern repeated in nearly every urban area in the country.

Plus, I have already proven the OP claim to be utter bullshit.

Der...

[leekohler2]

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State with the most welfare (pay no taxes) reciprients = California. New York has the 2nd highest number + LINEAR THOUGHT =these are overwhelmingly DEMOCRATS. It's a pattern repeated in nearly every urban area in the country.

Plus, I have already proven the OP claim to be utter bull$#@!.

Der...

You claimed that Democrats do not pay taxes. Prove it or shut the f*** up.

[Grokmaster]

You claimed that Democrats do not pay taxes. Prove it or shut the f*** up.
Another internet "tough guy" leftist. Hilarious.
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No, I said that those who do not pay taxes are typically democrats..as proven by the states with the largest democrat voter turnouts, also having the largest numbers of welfare reciprients = no coincidence.

I hear Warren Buffet pays taxes, just not as much as he says he should. There's ONE, anyway....

[leekohler2]

Really? I heard no Republican presidential candidate, wanting free college, more people qualifying for government benefits, it isn't Republicans that gave out free phones, if wasn't Republican voters hailing the new president because, "it's about time, now maybe WE can get what we deserve" it wasn't Republicans believing/thinking, they would no longer have to pay their mortgage, their car payment or, utility bills.

WHO, again, are the ones wanting/expecting something for nothing!!??

Not Democrats. Taxes pay for things. We all pay taxes. No one wants anything for free, as things cost money. However, to hear a lot of conservatives talk, you'd think that police, firefighters and our military should simply exist and work for free since many conservatives think they should live here and pay for nothing with taxes.

[Abby08]

Not Democrats. Taxes pay for things. We all pay taxes. No one wants anything for free, as things cost money. However, to hear a lot of conservatives talk, you'd think that police, firefighters and our military should simply exist and work for free since many conservatives think they should live here and pay for nothing with taxes.

What Conservatives think that???

People know things cost money, but, the ones who don't care who actually pays for those who receive the "free" stuff......are, primarily, Democrats.....as the last campaign/election, has shown.

[leekohler2]

No, I said that those who do not pay taxes are typically democrats..as proven by the states with the largest democrat voter turnouts, also having the largest numbers of welfare reciprients = no coincidence.

Sorry, but you're wrong again:



* Alabama
* California
* Hawaii
* Illinois
* Kentucky
* Maine
* Mississippi
* New Mexico
* New York
* Ohio
* South Carolina

Lots of red in there. Why do you have to lie?

https://newpittsburghcourieronline.com/2014/01/13/top-11-states-with-most-people-on-welfare/

[Grokmaster]

Not Democrats. Taxes pay for things. We all pay taxes. No one wants anything for free, as things cost money. However, to hear a lot of conservatives talk, you'd think that police, firefighters and our military should simply exist and work for free since many conservatives think they should live here and pay for nothing with taxes.
Lots of people want and get lots for free, courtesy of the taxpayers. And many of the freeloaders aren't even CITIZENS...

[Kalkin]

God, I get sick of you pathetic partisans.
Irony^^^

[Grokmaster]

Sorry, but you're wrong again: Lots of red in there. Why do you have to lie? https://newpittsburghcourieronline.com/2014/01/13/top-11-states-with-most-people-on-welfare/ Bullshit poll. The NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON GOVT. ASSISTANCE is largest in California, BY FAR, followed by New York. Learn reading comprehension.

In red states, it is always in the URBAN SPRAWLS, which are also DEMOCRATS.

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http://www.norcalblogs.com/postscripts/2013/08/07/california-wins-title-nations-largest-welfare-population/


And the claim of the OP is bullshit about US taxation also. Stop trying to CHANGE THE TOPIC, "tough guy", or "STFU !!!!!!!!"

[Peter1469]

The tax code needs to be simplified and reformed. It should have been done before Obamacare.

[leekohler2]

What Conservatives think that???

People know things cost money, but, the ones who don't care who actually pays for those who receive the "free" stuff......are, primarily, Democrats.....as the last campaign/election, has shown.

Umm..no, not even close. Read my post above. Also, if you really want to go there, blue states pay more than red states in taxes.

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/which-states-are-givers-and-which-are-takers/361668/

That's just reality. Maybe we shouldn't give the red states so much. All they do is complain.

[Abby08]

We all, do, pay taxes..... every time we make a purchase in a grocery store, etc.....but, there are those who pay no taxes.... payroll taxes, as in, they don't work, as in, those who work pay their expenses.......so, really, even the taxes they pay at the grocery store, isn't even theirs.

[Abby08]

Umm..no, not even close. Read my post above. Also, if you really want to go there, blue states pay more than red states in taxes.

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/which-states-are-givers-and-which-are-takers/361668/

That's just reality. Maybe we shouldn't give the red states so much. All they do is complain.

But, the people who don't work, contribute nothing.

[leekohler2]

Bull$#@! poll. The NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON GOVT. ASSISTANCE is largest in California, BY FAR, followed by New York. Learn reading comprehension.

In red states, it is always in the URBAN SPRAWLS, which are also DEMOCRATS.


And the claim of the OP is bull$#@! about US taxation also. Stop trying to CHANGE THE TOPIC, "tough guy", or "STFU !!!!!!!!"

Keep digging that hole...red states take more in taxes than they contribute and the blue ones bail them out. That's reality- deal with it.

[leekohler2]

But, the people who don't work, contribute nothing.

Read the article please.

[Abby08]

If it means, reducing the numbers on welfare, I'm all for giving red states less money.

[Captain Obvious]

This thread is like the special olympics, no matter who wins everyone loses.

[Abby08]

Read the article please.

I did. The states receiving the most money, have higher numbers of lower income residents, which equals, more welfare recipients, which equals, they need more money.

[Bethere]

If it means, reducing the numbers on welfare, I'm all for giving red states less money.

Shouldn't red states give at least as much as they receive?

[Bethere]

This thread is like the special olympics, no matter who wins everyone loses.

That's not what the special Olympics are about.

[leekohler2]

If it means, reducing the numbers on welfare, I'm all for giving red states less money.
I'm not, actually. If our citizens need help, then they need help. It just gets my goat when people from these states complain about taxes. It really does, especially when they're taking more federal money than they contribute. You would think they would be grateful.

I did. The states receiving the most money, have higher numbers of lower income residents, which equals, more welfare recipients, which equals, they need more money.
Yep. And those states are primarily red states. So something doesn't jibe with the claim that "most democrats are low income".

[leekohler2]

That's not what the special Olympics are about.

And that was a terrible thing for him to say.

[Peter1469]

I'm not, actually. If our citizens need help, then they need help. It just gets my goat when people from these states complain about taxes. It really does, especially when they're taking more federal money than they contribute. You would think they would be grateful.

Yep. And those states are primarily red states. So something doesn't jibe with the claim that "most democrats are low income".
Why is the federal government the middleman. Let the states keep most of the tax dollars and do what is needed for their citizens.

Federalism.

[Abby08]

I'm not, actually. If our citizens need help, then they need help. It just gets my goat when people from these states complain about taxes. It really does, especially when they're taking more federal money than they contribute. You would think they would be grateful.

Yep. And those states are primarily red states. So something doesn't jibe with the claim that "most democrats are low income".

I'm not against helping people.....the ones who truly need it. Too many young people on disability for things like, dyslexia and obesity, too many able bodied young people on welfare because they have kids they can't afford.....too many just plain are liars and know how to work the system.

Start weeding out those, start forcing the able bodied to get jobs and support their own kids.

There's a big part of the problem fixed, right there.