Why the left is responisble for everything in Charlottesville

[wolfstrike]

The city council voted to bring down the confederate statue.
The city council is supposed to represent the city, not push nation-wide left-wing agenda.
Does the vast majority of citizens want the statue removed? We don't know, there was no democratic process. If the majority of citizens wanted that statue removed, there wouldn't have been protests.
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The racists applied for a permit and received one.
The police wanted to let them protest in a park , the ACLU sued to allow them to protest where they want. Is it because the ACLU is fair and cares about rights? NO! it's because the left wins recruits every time the racist boogey man appears. 10% of the Democrats are leaving per year. Especially now, they have no political agenda that attracts recruits, other than fear of the racist boogey man. That's why the ACLU wants racists to march everywhere.
So...the ACLU sued to allow people to protest in places that weren't the safest.
The left loves to push their false history that the Civil War was fought over slavery and white supremacy. (paying no regard to the mixed race and non whites who were 110% dedicated to the cause)
The lefts moves to tear down history and who shows up? the KKK, which validates the left-wing BS telling of history.
The truth is, in this day and age, we don't know if the organizer of "The KKK" is an agent of the left. Radical groups are loaded with government informants and betraying closet homosexuals. For "The KKK" to show up on cue is a little suspicious.
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So now we have one young woman killed, and one 20 year old dimwit on the way to prison.
Somehow in the world of Socialism, killing someone intentionally as a racist is far worse that killing someone intentionally as a peace loving hippie, or a drunk driver, so the Federal government is going to step in make sure he gets full sentence. If he survives prison they'll let him out and tell him he can do whatever he wants except work.


Now, the left-wing Socialists, in their great love for democracy and free speech, are reviewing video tape to see if they can identify the racists, so they can go to their jobs and get them fired, causing hardship, validation, and radicalism.
A girl is dead, some young man is on the way to prison, a statue is gone, the "right wing" false talk show hosts are defending Trump as they talk about this story, the left are elated, couldn't have gone better.


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...and this whole thing was all a plan to make the country look racist under Trump.

[Crepitus]

Wow dude, just wow.

[Green Arrow]

If tearing down Confederate statues makes American Nazis come out of the shadows and make themselves known, then I hope they tear down every last one of those statues.

[Cletus]

If tearing down Confederate statues makes American Nazis come out of the shadows and make themselves known, then I hope they tear down every last one of those statues.

It is definitely making people come out of the shadows, but they are not the people you think they are.

[jimmyz]

Popping the American pimple will not be simple. The Left underestimates the consequences of their tyranny.

[Ann Fann]

If tearing down Confederate statues makes American Nazis come out of the shadows and make themselves known, then I hope they tear down every last one of those statues.

Godwin's law (or Godwin's rule of Hitler analogies) is an Internet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet) adage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adage) that asserts that "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Hitler (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler) approaches 1 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convergence_of_random_variables#Convergence_in_pro bability)."*—*that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or his deeds.

[Common]

The left is making the mistake of narrowing their opposition to just supremists, its much bigger than that

The left conveniently labels any resistance to their agenda Nazis when its the left that are the nazis trying to "force" their will on everyone else.

[Mark III]

The left loves to push their false history that the Civil War was fought over slavery and white supremacy.

People who say this only prove they don't know history and are very gullible.

[stjames1_53]

The left loves to push their false history that the Civil War was fought over slavery and white supremacy.

People who say this only prove they don't know history and are very gullible.


Slavery wasn't the only issue at hand here. Take a look at coast lines and sea ports. Had the south succeeded, the North would have lost access to all those sea ports from WV to TX. That's a lot of potential business the North's big business would have lost control over. The southern sea ports were the first thing seized......

[Green Arrow]

Godwin's law (or Godwin's rule of Hitler analogies) is an Internet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet) adage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adage) that asserts that "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Hitler (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler) approaches 1 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convergence_of_random_variables#Convergence_in_pro bability)."*—*that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or his deeds.

The people I'm referring to are waving Nazi flags and using Nazi salutes. The comparison is justified.

[Crepitus]

Godwin's law (or Godwin's rule of Hitler analogies) is an Internet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet) adage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adage) that asserts that "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Hitler (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler) approaches 1 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convergence_of_random_variables#Convergence_in_pro bability)."*—*that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or his deeds.


Mike Godwin: Man who devised internet Hitler law says, 'Call these Charlottesville s***heads Nazis'


http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/godwins-law-mike-godwin-internet-hitler-charlottesville-virginia-donald-trump-a7892171.html

[del]

Godwin's law (or Godwin's rule of Hitler analogies) is an Internet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet) adage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adage) that asserts that "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Hitler (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler) approaches 1 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convergence_of_random_variables#Convergence_in_pro bability)."*—*that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or his deeds.



Godwin sees his law a bit differently, however. On Sunday, he tweeted about the events in Charlottesville, and he didn’t mince words:


By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I’m with you.
— Mike Godwin (@sfmnemonic) August 14, 2017 (https://twitter.com/sfmnemonic/status/896884949634232320)

[Captain Obvious]

Leftist terrorism needs quashed before the violence is out of control.

[Chris]

No, the left is not solely responsible for what happened in Charlottesville, hate groups on the right are every bit as responsible.

I do agree the policy and other officials did not handle it well. But police and officials elsewhere, like Cincinnati, Washington DC, where they fenced opposing groups away from each other, did handle it. --I'm not suggesting rounding up both sides and corralling them in fences, hmm,, no, no, that won't do. Maybe a cage match...

[Chris]

Godwin sees his law a bit differently, however. On Sunday, he tweeted about the events in Charlottesville, and he didn’t mince words:
By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I’m with you.
— Mike Godwin (@sfmnemonic) August 14, 2017



So Godwin Godwinned. It still kills dicussion.

[texan]

If tearing down Confederate statues makes American Nazis come out of the shadows and make themselves known, then I hope they tear down every last one of those statues.

Sure did make them show up. All 175 from all over the place. A problem yes but a very small one we like to blow into a national issue.

[Green Arrow]

Sure did make them show up. All 175 from all over the place. A problem yes but a very small one we like to blow into a national issue.
Nazis marching in the streets is a very big problem, whether there are five for five hundred.

[Cletus]

Nazis marching in the streets is a very big problem, whether there are five for five hundred.

As long as they obey the law, they are no more of a problem than any other political faction marching in the streets.

[Ethereal]

If tearing down Confederate statues makes American Nazis come out of the shadows and make themselves known, then I hope they tear down every last one of those statues.
Nazis have been protesting and demonstrating in America for decades. They were and still are a fringe movement bereft of real power or influence. So why is everyone acting like this is some new and urgent problem we must address?

[Ethereal]

No, the left is not solely responsible for what happened in Charlottesville, hate groups on the right are every bit as responsible.

I know that's the PC thing to say right now, but it's not really true.

Nazis and KKK types have been protesting and demonstrating in America for decades. Their rallies are typically uneventful. Some flag-waving, some slogans, some speeches. Antifa and company are the ones with a well-earned reputation for violence, intimidation, and disruption. Indeed, they are totally open and unapologetic about their violent methods. They have said, again and again, that "fascists" are not entitled to free speech. Antifa is 100% responsible for the chaos in Charlottesville.

[Chris]

I know that's the PC thing to say right now, but it's not really true.

Nazis and KKK types have been protesting and demonstrating in America for decades. Their rallies are typically uneventful. Some flag-waving, some slogans, some speeches. Antifa and company are the ones with a well-earned reputation for violence, intimidation, and disruption. Indeed, they are totally open and unapologetic about their violent methods. They have said, again and again, that "fascists" are not entitled to free speech. Antifa is 100% responsible for the chaos in Charlottesville.

But they got violent in Charlottesville as well. From what I saw in videos it wasn't just self-defense.

[Ethereal]

But they got violent in Charlottesville as well. From what I saw in videos it wasn't just self-defense.
The Antifa thugs openly stated their intention to go bash the fascists before, during, and after the incident. Antifa openly admits this. They showed up at that rally to attack people.

[Chris]

The Antifa thugs openly stated their intention to go bash the fascists before, during, and after the incident. Antifa openly admits this. They showed up at that rally to attack people.

I agree, they did, they showed up in force, about 10000 to the 500 protesters. But I think the protesters got violent too. It's hard to determine the distance of news reports and videos.

[Ethereal]

I agree, they did, they showed up in force, about 10000 to the 500 protesters. But I think the protesters got violent too. It's hard to determine the distance of news reports and videos.
Antifa went to Charlottesville with the express purpose of instigating a violent conflict and that's exactly what happened. They are 100% responsible.

[Common Sense]

Both sides were looking for conflict...

The white nationalists didn't show up with helmets, shields and sticks for no reason. Same goes for the Antifa crowd.

[Chris]

Both sides were looking for conflict...

The white nationalists didn't show up with helmets, shields and sticks for no reason. Same goes for the Antifa crowd.

A helmet etc does imply only offense as it can as well be used in defense.

The shields are flimsy things for show.


I agree, both got violent.

[Chris]

Antifa went to Charlottesville with the express purpose of instigating a violent conflict and that's exactly what happened. They are 100% responsible.

That is what antifa is all about, violence, chaos.

[Ethereal]

Both sides were looking for conflict...

The white nationalists didn't show up with helmets, shields and sticks for no reason. Same goes for the Antifa crowd.

They showed up with helmets and shields for a very good reason, i.e., the express declaration of Antifa to bash "fascists" anywhere and everywhere.

Put simply, if you know a bunch of violent agitators who hate you are going to show up at your rally, it behooves you to take measures to defend yourself.

[Chris]

The problem I have here is that while I think the counter-protesters (Antifa) came to fight, the protesters were ready to fight back and, if the driver who killed one and injured others, can be tied definitively to them, then they went too far.

One group disavowed any connection and the leader of the group that organized the protest said the driver “did the wrong thing.”

[Green Arrow]

As long as they obey the law, they are no more of a problem than any other political faction marching in the streets.

History tells a different story.

[del]

A helmet etc does imply only offense as it can as well be used in defense.

The shields are flimsy things for show.


I agree, both got violent.
what does a rifle imply?

deer hunting?

https://localtvkstu.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/right-wing.jpg?quality=85&strip=all&w=770

[jimmyz]

what does a rifle imply?

deer hunting?

https://localtvkstu.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/right-wing.jpg?quality=85&strip=all&w=770

And yet not a shot was fired.

Is that guy in the front listening to music? lol

[Green Arrow]

And yet not a shot was fired.

Nah, dude decided to use a car instead.

[Captain Obvious]

Regardless of your right to carry arms, if you do so with intent to antagonize and violence ensues then you are guilty of contributing to the escalation.

If this guy is found guilty of murder and other crimes, and he should be found guilty, then those who participated antagonizing the situation should also be held trial and be found negligent by contribution.

That is due process snowflakes, and I doubt it will happen.

Not this time at least.

[Chris]

what does a rifle imply?

deer hunting?

https://localtvkstu.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/right-wing.jpg?quality=85&strip=all&w=770



And yet they remained peaceful. It was a show of force aimed at protecting free speech. You should read and gather information before you post crapola.

Militiamen came to Charlottesville as neutral First Amendment protectors, commander says (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/militiamen-came-to-charlottesville-as-neutral-first-amendment-protectors-commander-says/2017/08/13/d3928794-8055-11e7-ab27-1a21a8e006ab_story.html?utm_term=.33ed192d847f)


The show of strength was about “allegiance . . . to the Constitution,” particularly the First Amendment, said Christian Yingling, leader of the Pennsylvania Light Foot Militia. He said he and his troops “convoyed in” to Charlottesville early Saturday to defend free speech by maintaining civic order so everyone present could voice an opinion, regardless of their views.

The fact that no shots were fired, Yingling said, was a testament “to the discipline of the 32 brave souls serving under me during this particular operation.”

Militia leaders who descended on Charlottesville condemn 'rightwing lunatics' (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/15/charlottesville-militia-free-speech-violence)


“We spoke to the Charlottesville police department beforehand and offered to come down there and help with security,” Yingling told the Guardian.

“They said: ‘We cannot invite you in an official capacity, but you are welcome to attend,’ and they gave us an escort into the event,” he added.



Also, I was speaking of protesters with helmets, etc, for self-defense. But thanks for the distraction.

[Chris]

Regardless of your right to carry arms, if you do so with intent to antagonize and violence ensues then you are guilty of contributing to the escalation.

If this guy is found guilty of murder and other crimes, and he should be found guilty, then those who participated antagonizing the situation should also be held trial and be found negligent by contribution.

That is due process snowflakes, and I doubt it will happen.

Not this time at least.



It will be very interesting to see how this plays out legally, who will be charged with what.

[Captain Obvious]

It will be very interesting to see how this plays out legally, who will be charged with what.

Well one positive is that we don't have Bammy racially cheerleading and enabling.

At the very least we have a guy like Trump who is saying "you're both a bunch of assholes".

And yes, the left will be butthurt naturally.

[Safety]

The people I'm referring to are waving Nazi flags and using Nazi salutes. The comparison is justified.

I can't believe you even wasted time on a response to nonsense.

[Safety]

what does a rifle imply?

deer hunting?

https://localtvkstu.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/right-wing.jpg?quality=85&strip=all&w=770

Now, you know the only citizens that are allowed to carry rifles are pure-bred 'muricans. Everyone else is just inciting violence...

[Green Arrow]

I can't believe you even wasted time on a response to nonsense.

I've been bored.

[Ann Fann]

The people I'm referring to are waving Nazi flags and using Nazi salutes. The comparison is justified.
It's comparing Trump supporters to Nazis that's the problem.

[Ann Fann]

True story: this happened something like 23 years ago. I had driven into a city eight hours from where I lived for a job interview, and I stayed over the weekend. On a Saturday I was on my way someplace and the traffic started to get bad - on a Saturday! I soon found out what the problem was - right there in the city square, a half dozen - count them, six - guys in Klan outfits were holding a protest. They were surrounded by what was probably a thousand troublemakers throwing snowballs, rocks, bottles, and whatever they could get their hands on. This is against six guys!

To their credit, the cops weren't having any of it. If they ran across someone trying to commit assault and battery, they cuffed them and threw them into a waiting paddy wagon. As I drove by I thought "Which one is the hate group?"

That has stuck with me for years. Those punks who were throwing things did not have clean hands as far as I am concerned, and you can spin it any way you want, but if you become a monster to destroy a monster, you are still a monster.

[Green Arrow]

It's comparing Trump supporters to Nazis that's the problem.

Okay. I didn't do that.

[Chris]

Well one positive is that we don't have Bammy racially cheerleading and enabling.

At the very least we have a guy like Trump who is saying "you're both a bunch of assholes".

And yes, the left will be butthurt naturally.


True, I mean how terrible of Trump to come out and blame both sides.

[Chris]

Now, you know the only citizens that are allowed to carry rifles are pure-bred 'muricans. Everyone else is just inciting violence...

https://localtvkstu.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/right-wing.jpg?quality=85&strip=all&w=770

They complied with Virgina law. Notice the police escort.

[texan]

Nazis marching in the streets is a very big problem, whether there are five for five hundred.
Yeah sure. Stretch this to make your weak point. 5 out of 300 million is not a VERY BIG ISSUE!

If you were not just trying to be right you would be more believable.

[texan]

https://localtvkstu.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/right-wing.jpg?quality=85&strip=all&w=770

They complied with Virgina law. Notice the police escort.


Stop pointing out facts. It doesn't go with the PC emotional argument being made.

Also, remember you are welcome to your opinion unless I don't like it. Then I can call you names and act irrationally.

Sincerely,
The left wingnuts.

[Chris]

Stop pointing out facts. It doesn't go with the PC emotional argument being made.

Also, remember you are welcome to your opinion unless I don't like it. Then I can call you names and act irrationally.

Sincerely,
The left wingnuts.


I am deeply sorry for offending snowflakes.

[rcfieldz]

Godwin's law (or Godwin's rule of Hitler analogies) is an Internet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet) adage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adage) that asserts that "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Hitler (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler) approaches 1 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convergence_of_random_variables#Convergence_in_pro bability)."*—*that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or his deeds.
Our black Hitler was gonna make everyone pay for health care. And you can keep your old providers. How's that workin'?

[Green Arrow]

Yeah sure. Stretch this to make your weak point. 5 out of 300 million is not a VERY BIG ISSUE!

If you were not just trying to be right you would be more believable.

The German Nazi party only had 60 members when Hitler took over. Just ten years later it had over two million members.

One Nazi is one Nazi too many.

[Mister D]

The German Nazi party only had 60 members when Hitler took over. Just ten years later it had over two million members.

One Nazi is one Nazi too many.

If the Nazi message is that appealing you're going to lose. Badly.

[Chris]

If the Nazi message is that appealing you're going to lose. Badly.

And there were no Nazis there.

[Cletus]

History tells a different story.

Actually, it supports my statement.

[AZ Jim]

Leftist terrorism needs quashed before the violence is out of control.Caps lonely again.19438

[AZ Jim]

It's comparing Trump supporters to Nazis that's the problem.Many are.

[Mister D]

Many are. Common Sense

[ripmeister]

The Antifa thugs openly stated their intention to go bash the fascists before, during, and after the incident. Antifa openly admits this. They showed up at that rally to attack people.
There were obviously clashes on Saturday the genesis of which nobody really knows, including you. On Friday night though with the Tiki torch march a group of about 20 UVa students were surrounding the Jefferson statue in a defensive posture and were assaulted by some of the Tiki marchers.

[ripmeister]

Antifa went to Charlottesville with the express purpose of instigating a violent conflict and that's exactly what happened. They are 100% responsible.
Bullshit!

[Green Arrow]

And there were no Nazis there.

In Charlottesville?

[Green Arrow]

Actually, it supports my statement.

Feel free to demonstrate at any time.

[ripmeister]

It will be very interesting to see how this plays out legally, who will be charged with what.

Did you all see the video that came out yesterday of the Tiki Boys beating the shit out of the black dude? Like clubbing him when he was already down. Them's some real men there.

[ripmeister]

Our black Hitler was gonna make everyone pay for health care. And you can keep your old providers. How's that workin'?
It certainly has it problems. No doubt about that. I just can't wait though to get tired from all the winning that's going to be going on. Has it started yet?

[Ann Fann]

Many are.

Proof?

[Captain Obvious]

Proof?

Good luck with that

[Ivan88]

The issue is not the people protesting the removal of a statue.
The issue is terrorist mob violence in violation of the Rights of Mankind to Life, Property, Truth, Mercy & Security.
The Issue is that the mayor & governor conspired with a mob to violently & unlawfully cause harm to People.

If America allows violent terrorist mobs to rampage around the country injuring and killing whoever they are mad at, then all Americans are at risk. Of course it is what we deserve for financing & arming terrorists against our mother nation, Syria.

Syria is the mother of many nations, language, concepts of freedom, science, medicine and Christianity. Abraham, Isaac, Jabob/Israel and all their wives are Syrian. Thus our current love affair with murdering our mother & our neighbors is making our lives short upon the Earth instead of it being as Moses & Christ told us: Honor your mother and father that thy days be long upon the Earth. Exodus 20:12

Honour thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee. Deuteronomy 5:16

Did He give us America, or did we steal it by treachery & murder?

[Ivan88]

Did you all see the video that came out yesterday of the Tiki Boys beating the $#@! out of the black dude? Like clubbing him when he was already down. Them's some real men there.

Too many times cops are lynch mobs themselves. When they do that, they are no different than the violent lynch mob that attacked People in Charlettsville, especially since the mayor and the governor helped them to do so.

[MisterVeritis]

Too many times cops are lynch mobs themselves.
This is a lie. In the US, the police are not lynch mobs.



When they do that, they are no different than the violent lynch mob that attacked People in Charlettsville, especially since the mayor and the governor helped them to do so.
One must guess at what you mean. It appears the Democrats in power in Virginia wanted the spectacle. The police set the stage for the protesters (white nationalists, KKK, and neo-Nazis) to clash with the violent left counter-protesters (Antifa).

I believe we should have a Special Counsel thoroughly investigate the causes of the Charlottesville riots.

[ripmeister]

This is a lie. In the US, the police are not lynch mobs.



One must guess at what you mean. It appears the Democrats in power in Virginia wanted the spectacle. The police set the stage for the protesters (white nationalists, KKK, and neo-Nazis) to clash with the violent left counter-protesters (Antifa).

I believe we should have a Special Counsel thoroughly investigate the causes of the Charlottesville riots.
Regarding your second statement. Baloney

[stjames1_53]

Bull$#@!!

their sole purpose is to disrupt with violence...........DHS has branded them as a domestic terrorist group

[Ivan88]

It appears the Democrats in power in Virginia wanted the spectacle. The police set the stage for the protesters (white nationalists, KKK, and neo-Nazis) to clash with the violent left counter-protesters (Antifa).
I believe we should have a Special Counsel thoroughly investigate the causes of the Charlottesville riots.

Thank You, MisterVeritis for recognizing the situation.
However, if the matter is investigated as was the Kennedy Assassinations, Martin Luther King's & 911, it will be just another cover up, like the one the Dutch did on that airliner crash in Ukraine.

There are many many videos of cops acting like lynch mobs, framing people, shooting & beating unarmed non beligerant people.