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Crepitus
08-16-2017, 09:21 AM
Is there really 'an alt-left'?

It's a "made-up term" used by people on the right to "suggest there is a similar movement on the left," Segal said.

But there's no equivalent with the anti-Semitic and bigoted groups that call themselves "alt-right", he said.


No such thing, as I have been saying.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/16/politics/what-is-alt-left/index.html

Newpublius
08-16-2017, 09:45 AM
No such thing, as I have been saying.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/16/politics/what-is-alt-left/index.html

What was it? 46% of IA Democrats identify as socialist? The alt tag is a new term for 'extreme' and there are millions of extremist leftists in this country.

Safety
08-16-2017, 09:51 AM
No such thing, as I have been saying.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/16/politics/what-is-alt-left/index.html

You know you should always believe anonymous forum members instead of verified sources, what's wrong with you?

Safety
08-16-2017, 09:52 AM
What was it? 46% of IA Democrats identify as socialist? The alt tag is a new term for 'extreme' and there are millions of extremist leftists in this country.


I think it's been hashed before that words have meanings. There is a difference in a con calling someone "alt-left" and a con self identifying as "alt-right".

Newpublius
08-16-2017, 10:00 AM
I think it's been hashed before that words have meanings. There is a difference in a con calling someone "alt-left" and a con self identifying as "alt-right".

Yes because one is left and one is right, the alt tag is simply being appropriated to apply to leftist extremists, it just hasn't been a term in common parlance before today. A rose is a rose by any other name.

Safety
08-16-2017, 10:06 AM
Yes because one is left and one is right, the alt tag is simply being appropriated to apply to leftist extremists, it just hasn't been a term in common parlance before today. A rose is a rose by any other name.

No, you fail to understand again. If I call you a redneck, it would completely different than if you called yourself a redneck.

The same applies to alt-left and alt-right. One calls themselves the name, the other is applied by the opposing ideology.

rcfieldz
08-16-2017, 10:08 AM
New Speak for a new generation.

Kalkin
08-16-2017, 10:22 AM
I'm going to lay some real common sense on this. The alt-right, short for alternate right, was coined to describe a new faction of the political right that was outside of, and uncontrolled by, the traditional establishment republicans. It was quickly seized upon by the left and used to broadbrush anyone involved as being violent and bigoted, even though the vast majority are not. Now that there is a violent and bigoted alternate faction of the left, it seems perfectly logical to label them the alt-left. Live by the sword, die by the sword, libtards.
This^^^

Tahuyaman
08-16-2017, 10:23 AM
I don't find it odd or surprising that the left will not admit a fringe left wing element exists in America.

Newpublius
08-16-2017, 10:27 AM
No, you fail to understand again. If I call you a redneck, it would completely different than if you called yourself a redneck.

The same applies to alt-left and alt-right. One calls themselves the name, the other is applied by the opposing ideology.

Yes, I understood. My farmer's tan snarls disapproval, but in the context in which somebody on the right used 'alt left' it means 'extremist leftists' and they do exist. To say that there 'is no such thing' just recognizes the term not being in common parlance.

Kalkin
08-16-2017, 10:27 AM
I don't find it odd or surprising that the left will not admit a fringe left wing element exists in America.

It's because they tacitly support the violence, fascism, and thuggery of the alt-left. They keep losing at the ballot box, so, like spoiled children, they are throwing a societal tantrum.

Newpublius
08-16-2017, 10:28 AM
I don't find it odd or surprising that the left will not admit a fringe left wing element exists in America.

Ultimately the problem with the country, they truly don't realize how extreme the status quo ante election really was.

Tahuyaman
08-16-2017, 10:29 AM
It's because they tacitly support the violence, fascism, and thuggery of the alt-left. They keep losing at the ballot box, so, like spoiled children, they are throwing a societal tantrum.


They do lack the ability to accept valid election results. It seems as though they now believe in the concept of "mob rule". Lose at the ballot box, take to the streets.

Kalkin
08-16-2017, 10:32 AM
They do lack the ability to accept valid election results. It seems as though they now believe in the concept of "mob rule". Lose at the ballot box, take to the streets.
The bent-wrist alt-left keyboard warriors on this very thread being a prime example of the left's tolerance of it.

Tahuyaman
08-16-2017, 10:42 AM
Ultimately the problem with the country, they truly don't realize how extreme the status quo ante election really was.


You mean anti-status quo? If so, I agree.


Most people understand thst. There's just a vocal minority who are unable to process that.

Captain Obvious
08-16-2017, 11:04 AM
"alt-stupid" works better anyway

Private Pickle
08-16-2017, 11:18 AM
No such thing, as I have been saying.http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/16/politics/what-is-alt-left/index.htmlAlt-left isn't bigoted against race. Many alt-right groups aren't either. The alt-left is bigoted against conservatives and conservatism. Just because that doesn't include a color doesn't mean that bigotry is somehow justified or equivocally better.

Croft
08-16-2017, 11:22 AM
No such thing, as I have been saying.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/16/politics/what-is-alt-left/index.html
Gosh thank god it's official. All that Antifa violence is actually normal left not extreme. Hooray!

Chris
08-16-2017, 11:25 AM
The left attacked and people quibble about their name. :geez:

Chris
08-16-2017, 11:27 AM
Yes, I understood. My farmer's tan snarls disapproval, but in the context in which somebody on the right used 'alt left' it means 'extremist leftists' and they do exist. To say that there 'is no such thing' just recognizes the term not being in common parlance.

Language can't be dictated. People will use what's meaningful to them.

Private Pickle
08-16-2017, 11:31 AM
Not not mention a quick Google search will put you in contact with your local Antifa group

hanger4
08-16-2017, 11:33 AM
No such thing, as I have been saying.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/16/politics/what-is-alt-left/index.html

Cool, then BLM and ANTIFA are mainstream leftists. :thumbsup:

pjohns
08-16-2017, 11:57 AM
[Alt-left] a "made-up term" used by people on the right to "suggest there is a similar movement on the left," Segal said.

But there's no equivalent with the anti-Semitic and bigoted groups that call themselves "alt-right", he said.

(1) Certainly, "alt-left" is a "made-up term."

So is "alt-right."

I had never heard of the latter even a year ago--or less.

(2) There is a plethora of bigotry on the left.

The left simply does not recognize bigotry for what it really is--unless it is practiced against so-called "protected" groups...

Crepitus
08-16-2017, 12:54 PM
Lots of not totally unexpected denial and rationalization here.

Chris
08-16-2017, 01:02 PM
Lots of not totally unexpected denial and rationalization here.
Newpublius is on the mark, alt- has become a replacement for extreme. Thus alt-left makes sense. The only denial is that of the left.

Newpublius
08-16-2017, 01:06 PM
Newpublius is on the mark, alt- has become a replacement for extreme. Thus alt-left makes sense. The only denial is that of the left.

Indeed, its a tit for tat, if the term is coined for the right, likewise it will be appropriated to apply to the left. Nobody should be surprised by this. Nor am I surprised by the obvious game of 'hot potato' with the term. The alt-right tag has been relatively successful for the left, generally, so naturally they don't want it cancelled out.

Common
08-16-2017, 01:11 PM
lol yeah left wing experts say theres no alt left

Dangermouse
08-18-2017, 12:07 PM
@Newpublius (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=685) is on the mark, alt- has become a replacement for extreme. Thus alt-left makes sense. The only denial is that of the left.

Alt-right extremists self-identify as such, and invent the fake spectre of the "alt-left" as their fictional opponent to justufy their excesses.

Captain Obvious
08-18-2017, 12:10 PM
Alt-right extremists self-identify as such, and invent the fake spectre of the "alt-left" as their fictional opponent to justufy their excesses.

Wouldn't have thought it possible but tPF is truly dumber because of this post.

resister
08-18-2017, 12:13 PM
Lots of not totally unexpected denial and rationalization here.
The denial is all yours.

Chris
08-18-2017, 12:31 PM
Alt-right extremists self-identify as such, and invent the fake spectre of the "alt-left" as their fictional opponent to justufy their excesses.

You can't control language. People have tried, governments have tried, they fail. So get used to it.

BTW, not sure who besides Milo and people like him self-identified as alt-right. The left and the media spread it to others.

Kalkin
08-18-2017, 12:33 PM
Indeed, its a tit for tat, if the term is coined for the right, likewise it will be appropriated to apply to the left. Nobody should be surprised by this. Nor am I surprised by the obvious game of 'hot potato' with the term. The alt-right tag has been relatively successful for the left, generally, so naturally they don't want it cancelled out.

Have you noticed the left calling the right "snowflakes" lately? Same thing.

Kalkin
08-18-2017, 12:37 PM
You can't control language. People have tried, governments have tried, they fail. So get used to it.

BTW, not sure who besides Milo and people like him self-identified as alt-right. The left and the media spread it to others.

Hillary coined it to disparage her opposition. That worked out well.

Chris
08-18-2017, 12:40 PM
Have you noticed the left calling the right "snowflakes" lately? Same thing.

Exactly, except they get it all wrong. They use it for anyone who criticizes.

Kalkin
08-18-2017, 12:42 PM
Exactly, except they get it all wrong. They use it for anyone who criticizes.

Yep. It really means someone who needs a safe space from speech that they find upsetting.

Safety
08-18-2017, 12:52 PM
Alt-right extremists self-identify as such, and invent the fake spectre of the "alt-left" as their fictional opponent to justufy their excesses.

Exactly. An extreme group of right wingers decided to create a more extreme group and called themselves the alt-right. Now you have right wingers mad because this group is so extreme that they try to project their frustration onto the left and they created in their mind the “alt-left”.


It’s laughable how they try to pretend the two events are the same.

Mister D
08-18-2017, 12:59 PM
@Newpublius (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=685) is on the mark, alt- has become a replacement for extreme. Thus alt-left makes sense. The only denial is that of the left.

OTOH, all "extreme" really denotes in contemporary parlance is a view that doesn't accept liberal presuppositions.

Dangermouse
08-18-2017, 04:14 PM
Wouldn't have thought it possible but tPF is truly dumber because of this post.

Such a thing is impossible, given your presence.

Dangermouse
08-18-2017, 04:19 PM
Hillary coined it to disparage her opposition. That worked out well.

Not true. Such a blatantly false claim damages any credibility you might retain.

No left-wing group has ever called itself the alt-left. And the groups smeared by the alt-left label don't include anything like the heinousness of overt Nazi-white supremacism that has increasingly defined the alt-right.

Ethereal
08-18-2017, 04:23 PM
"Experts"

Liberals will believe almost anything as long as an "expert" tells them it's true.

But what they really mean when they say "expert" is just "other liberals".

Kalkin
08-18-2017, 04:23 PM
Not true. Such a blatantly false claim damages any credibility you might retain.

Regardless, I still have more credibility than you. Take your squeaking elsewhere, turdboy.

Kalkin
08-18-2017, 04:24 PM
But what they really mean when they say "expert" is just "other liberals".

IOW, idiots.

Ethereal
08-18-2017, 04:26 PM
You know you should always believe anonymous forum members instead of verified sources, what's wrong with you?

A few guys in a CNN article = verified sources

lol

Chris
08-18-2017, 04:26 PM
Exactly. An extreme group of right wingers decided to create a more extreme group and called themselves the alt-right. Now you have right wingers mad because this group is so extreme that they try to project their frustration onto the left and they created in their mind the “alt-left”.


It’s laughable how they try to pretend the two events are the same.



Actually, those like Milo Yiannopoulos used it to unite people who weren't really right wing but loved to troll SJWs.

The left wing media took it form there with a lot of fake news.

Kalkin
08-18-2017, 04:44 PM
No left-wing group has ever called itself the alt-left.
No left wing group has called itself morons either, but they all are. Next.

Mister D
08-18-2017, 04:57 PM
A few guys in a CNN article = verified sources

lol
Seriously. "Experts" lol

Ethereal
08-18-2017, 04:57 PM
CNN is verified alright... verified FAKE NEWS.

Mister D
08-18-2017, 04:59 PM
"Experts"

Liberals will believe almost anything as long as an "expert" tells them it's true.

But what they really mean when they say "expert" is just "other liberals".

I doubt most of them read more than the title.

Crepitus
08-18-2017, 06:24 PM
The denial is all yours.

Nope, 'fraid not.

Crepitus
08-18-2017, 06:26 PM
Actually, those like Milo Yiannopoulos used it to unite people who weren't really right wing but loved to troll SJWs.

The left wing media took it form there with a lot of fake news.

Lol, you actually think that?

Chris
08-18-2017, 06:52 PM
Lol, you actually think that?

It is what I read in the media and here.

Crepitus
08-18-2017, 06:56 PM
It is what I read in the media and here.

Ok, I am unsure how to take that. Also unsure how to respond.

Safety
08-18-2017, 07:28 PM
Lol, you actually think that?

Anything to justify the position...

Chris
08-18-2017, 08:13 PM
Ok, I am unsure how to take that. Also unsure how to respond.

That means you might be thinking. That's good. Too many don't.

The Xl
08-18-2017, 08:15 PM
"Experts" say, lol.

Mister D
08-18-2017, 08:16 PM
"Experts" say, lol.
I laughed too.

Dr. Who
08-18-2017, 10:41 PM
Yes because one is left and one is right, the alt tag is simply being appropriated to apply to leftist extremists, it just hasn't been a term in common parlance before today. A rose is a rose by any other name.
The term alt-left was coined by the alt-right. The fact that the left is not interested in such distinctions should tell you something i.e. that the left doesn't pigeon hole itself such that there are opinions that are alternative.

AeonPax
08-19-2017, 12:02 AM
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I'm seeing the term "alt-left" used quite frequently now. To me, it's an extremist on the left as "alt-right" means an extremist on the right. No one pays attention to what the MSM and pundits say about it and will continue using the term. The only people whining about it are the extremists themselves.

Chris
08-19-2017, 08:01 AM
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I'm seeing the term "alt-left" used quite frequently now. To me, it's an extremist on the left as "alt-right" means an extremist on the right. No one pays attention to what the MSM and pundits say about it and will continue using the term. The only people whining about it are the extremists themselves.


Alt left indeed means that. Alt-right initially mean the group of people like Milo, who is gay and Jewish, who would troll SJWs and snowflake. The media rebranded as extreme. It is what it is. No one can control it.

DGUtley
08-19-2017, 08:42 AM
Regardless, I still have more credibility than you. Take your squeaking elsewhere, turdboy.

WARNING - Kalkin -- Stop the name-calling and insults.

Mister D
08-19-2017, 06:44 PM
The "alt" in alt right is short for alternative. It's not a more extreme version of neoliberalism. Americans have a truly insulted political culture that continually fails to do justice to anything outside our experience.

That said, yes, alt left and alt right mean the same thing at this point.

Crepitus
08-19-2017, 07:00 PM
The "alt" in alt right is short for alternative. It's not a more extreme version of neoliberalism. Americans have a truly insulted political culture that continually fails to do justice to anything outside our experience.

That said, yes, alt left and alt right mean the same thing at this point.

They do not. The alternative right picked the name, and revel in it. They have designated a segment of the more extreme left as the alt-left left to demonize them and give them an opponent to rant about. To be able to point to and say "they able really just as bad as me" when that is patently not true.

Tahuyaman
08-19-2017, 07:10 PM
I don't know why the liberals are objecting to the term "alt-left". It's simply an evolution of liberalism. They are part of the fringe element of the left. The further to the far left fringe an element gets, the more liberals who consider themselves mainstream are reluctant to criticize it.

They save their outrage for the liberals who still understand right from wrong and legal from illegal.

Mister D
08-19-2017, 07:10 PM
They do not. The alternative right picked the name, and revel in it. They have designated a segment of the more extreme left as the alt-left left to demonize them and give them an opponent to rant about. To be able to point to and say "they able really just as bad as me" when that is patently not true.

No, some guy who owns a blog embraced a term that predates his blog but that's irrelevant. Again, the "alt" in alt right is short for "alternative". You don't understand that because you get your opinions spoon fed to you by liberal op eds. Kind of like the blind leading the blind and both falling into a ditch full of stupid but whatever.

The extreme left is just as bad as the extreme right in every respect but none of these groups matter. The establishment just uses the presence of marginal groups to frighten the electorate into accepting their legitimacy.

Chris
08-19-2017, 07:21 PM
No, some guy who owns a blog embraced a term that predates his blog but that's irrelevant. Again, the "alt" in alt right is short for "alternative". You don't understand that because you get your opinions spoon fed to you by liberal op eds. Kind of like the blind leading the blind and both falling into a ditch full of stupid but whatever.

The extreme left is just as bad as the extreme right in every respect but none of these groups matter. The establishment just uses the presence of marginal groups to frighten the electorate into accepting their legitimacy.

LIke the mob used to sell protection. What a racket.

Chris
08-19-2017, 07:23 PM
They do not. The alternative right picked the name, and revel in it. They have designated a segment of the more extreme left as the alt-left left to demonize them and give them an opponent to rant about. To be able to point to and say "they able really just as bad as me" when that is patently not true.

Probbly the main component of the alt-right is Antifa. By espousing violence they demonize themselves. I'd expect everyone to rant against violence.

Mister D
08-19-2017, 07:32 PM
Chris Ethereal since we have often discussed it before there was a point I wanted to make and Crepitus' floundering with the concept of an 'alt right" seems like a good opportunity. Modern life is complicated. The world is much bigger in our experience than it was for our ancestors. Most people simply lack either the opportunity, the brains or the interest to gain a real understanding of it. This is the crucial point about propaganda, IMO. It's essential to modern living. It interprets the world for modern man.

Kalkin
08-19-2017, 07:34 PM
They do not. The alternative right picked the name, and revel in it. They have designated a segment of the more extreme left as the alt-left left to demonize them and give them an opponent to rant about. To be able to point to and say "they able really just as bad as me" when that is patently not true.

You post like a member of the alt-left.

Chris
08-19-2017, 07:41 PM
Chris Ethereal since we have often discussed it before there was a point I wanted to make and Crepitus' floundering with the concept of an 'alt right" seems like a good opportunity. Modern life is complicated. The world is much bigger in our experience than it was for our ancestors. Most people simply lack either the opportunity, the brains or the interest to gain a real understanding of it. This is the crucial point about propaganda, IMO. It's essential to modern living. It interprets the world for modern man.

Some refer to that as rational ignorance. People choose not to get involved in plitical and world affairs because there's too much information to process, it's too costly to do so, and they have more important matters of family, work, community to worry about. It creates a problem in that as you say politicians can play games with propoganda, joined by a media that plays small things up like Charlotteville and Boston. Another problem is it permits far too much influence from the rich and corporations and other political groups who can concentrate wealth on funding the research and even their own propoganda campaigns to concentrate benfits on themselves at distributed costs to the people, who barely notice liberty being chiseled at.

resister
08-19-2017, 08:24 PM
No such thing, as I have been saying.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/16/politics/what-is-alt-left/index.html
LOL @ this thread and those that "thank" partisan ignorance:rollseyes:

Safety
08-19-2017, 10:27 PM
They do not. The alternative right picked the name, and revel in it. They have designated a segment of the more extreme left as the alt-left left to demonize them and give them an opponent to rant about. To be able to point to and say "they able really just as bad as me" when that is patently not true.

Exactly. They are upset that a faction called themselves a name, so they must attribute the same prefix to the other side, even without anyone on that side self identifying as that name.

Partisans, :rofl:

Crepitus
08-19-2017, 10:41 PM
Exactly. They are upset that a faction called themselves a name, so they must attribute the same prefix to the other side, even without anyone on that side self identifying as that name.

Partisans, :rofl:

Desperate for the "other side" to be just as despicable as they are. It helps them justify their actions to themselves.

resister
08-19-2017, 10:43 PM
19536

Crepitus
08-19-2017, 10:46 PM
19536

Wrong, one President, and a *president*.

hotair
08-20-2017, 03:47 AM
What was it? 46% of IA Democrats identify as socialist? The alt tag is a new term for 'extreme' and there are millions of extremist leftists in this country.

Right . . . . . .???

According to the tea baggers moderate Republicans (RINOs (Republicans In Name Only)) are "extremist leftists"!

On the other hand . . . By definition: Anyone left of Fascism is going to be extreme in comparison.


FYI: "Alt" is an abbreviation for alternate. At least according the current White House Administration. As in alternate truth!!!

hotair
08-20-2017, 03:50 AM
New Speak for a new generation.

Actually: It is newspeak for "Fascism". Our modern fascists do not mind being fascists, they simply do not like to be called fascists, so they invented the title of alt-right.

Peter1469
08-20-2017, 03:51 AM
Right . . . . . .???

According to the tea baggers moderate Republicans (RINOs (Republicans In Name Only)) are "extremist leftists"!

On the other hand . . . By definition: Anyone left of Fascism is going to be extreme in comparison.


FYI: "Alt" is an abbreviation for alternate. At least according the current White House Administration. As in alternate truth!!!

The only thing left of fascism is communism. Are you self identifying?

hotair
08-20-2017, 04:14 AM
Exactly. An extreme group of right wingers decided to create a more extreme group and called themselves the alt-right. Now you have right wingers mad because this group is so extreme that they try to project their frustration onto the left and they created in their mind the “alt-left”.


It’s laughable how they try to pretend the two events are the same.
While mostly true, what you say it is not quite all that accurate. The extremists on the right have indeed created actual extremists on the left. This maintaining of balance is a by-product of our political system. This despite the failed attempts on the far right to shift the balance point, by proclaiming RINO’s to be liberals. (A moderate Republican is anything but a liberal, even if their views are more liberal then the views from the far right.)

Fascism has existed in our country since Reagan. The problem has been that fascists do not like to be called fascists, so a number of newspeak titles have been involved over the years in the effort to hide from themselves. The Moral Minority. Compassionate Conservatism. Social Darwinists. The Tea Party (tea baggers). The One Percenters . . . . Etc., Etc., Ect., Now Banner has created the Alt-Right!

So the far right has embraced their newest title.

Let the term "antifa" 'anti-fascists' serve as a clue!

Peter1469
08-20-2017, 04:17 AM
While mostly true, what you say it is not quite all that accurate. The extremists on the right have indeed created actual extremists on the left. This maintaining of balance is a by-product of our political system. This despite the failed attempts on the far right to shift the balance point, by proclaiming RINO’s to be liberals. (A moderate Republican is anything but a liberal, even if their views are more liberal then the views from the far right.)

Fascism has existed in our country since Reagan. The problem has been that fascists do not like to be called fascists, so a number of newspeak titles have been involved over the years in the effort to hide from themselves. The Moral Minority. Compassionate Conservatism. Social Darwinists. The Tea Party (tea baggers). The One Percenters . . . . Etc., Etc., Ect., Now Banner has created the Alt-Right!

So the far right has embraced their newest title.

Let the term "antifa" 'anti-fascists' serve as a clue!

Fascism is a radical movement. And a big government movement. That is your team.

hotair
08-20-2017, 04:33 AM
The only thing left of fascism is communism. Are you self identifying?

Not at all true. Certainly not accurate.

The entire world is left of Fascism.


FYI:
While “theoretical communism” is suppose to be left of fascism, in practice communism has always been to the right of fascism.


On another point: Communism has nothing to do with social justice. As such it is anything but the practice of liberalism. Your attempt at using the most frightening title that you can think of, not only displays a severe level of ignorance, but it also displays how effective the fear mongering on the right has been.

A viable society is not something that people should be afraid of.

Peter1469
08-20-2017, 04:35 AM
Silly.

When the fascists call for less government let me know so I can sign up.


They are your team- big government.
Not at all true. Certainly not accurate.

The entire world is left of Fascism.


FYI:
While “theoretical communism” is suppose to be left of fascism, in practice communism has always been to the right of fascism.


On another point: Communism has nothing to do with social justice. As such it is anything but the practice of liberalism. Your attempt at using the most frightening title that you can think of, not only displays a severe level of ignorance, but it also displays how effective the fear mongering on the right has been.

A viable society is not something that people should be afraid of.

hotair
08-20-2017, 04:37 AM
Fascism is a radical movement. And a big government movement. That is your team.
According to the fascists!
Take a moment to look at reality. You would see that what you have been told is completely backwards.

hotair
08-20-2017, 04:40 AM
Silly.

When the fascists call for less government let me know so I can sign up.


They are your team- big government.
What people call for, and what they deliver are two completely different things.
As for signing up, you already have!!!

Peter1469
08-20-2017, 04:40 AM
According to the fascists!
Take a moment to look at reality. You would see that what you have been told is completely backwards.

lol

Why must we respond to stupidity?

I don't think we must.

hotair
08-20-2017, 05:12 AM
The only thing left of fascism is communism. Are you self identifying?
Please stop trying to pretend that you know anything about me. Because you do not!

If you must know! In point of fact:
Politically: I am what you would label a RINO.
Socially I am what we used to call a Hippie!!! However over the years I have acquired a keen sense of practicality. Returning to the Garden of Eden is simply not practical.

The biggest difference between you & me, is that these people do not scare me. Unlike you, I have taken the time to learn about these people. I understand them, and so I am not frightened by them, or their ideas. Education really is the silver bullet.

People fear what they do not understand. You can choose to live in fear, or you can choose to learn and thus acquire understanding! Then you do not have to live in fear.

You assume that just because I choose to not live in fear, that I must be one of these people.

Peter1469
08-20-2017, 05:20 AM
Please stop trying to pretend that you know anything about me. Because you do not!

If you must know! In point of fact:
Politically: I am what you would label a RINO.
Socially I am what we used to call a Hippie!!! However over the years I have acquired a keen sense of practicality. Returning to the Garden of Eden is simply not practical.

The biggest difference between you & me, is that these people do not scare me. Unlike you, I have taken the time to learn about these people. I understand them, and so I am not frightened by them, or their ideas. Education really is the silver bullet.

People fear what they do not understand. You can choose to live in fear, or you can choose to learn and thus acquire understanding! Then you do not have to live in fear.

You assume that just because I choose to not live in fear, that I must be one of these people.

Rhions are trash.

Chris
08-20-2017, 08:57 AM
According to the fascists!
Take a moment to look at reality. You would see that what you have been told is completely backwards.


Take a moment to look at history, hotair. Fascism was initially socialist: Mussolini was a member of the National Directorate of the Italian Socialist Party. True, fascism was nationalist as opposed to communism's globalism, but Fascism was anti-capitalism, anti-liberal (classical) and anti-conservative. So how you come up with it was extreme right wing is unfathomable.

Chris
08-20-2017, 09:01 AM
Right . . . . . .???

According to the tea baggers moderate Republicans (RINOs (Republicans In Name Only)) are "extremist leftists"!

On the other hand . . . By definition: Anyone left of Fascism is going to be extreme in comparison.


FYI: "Alt" is an abbreviation for alternate. At least according the current White House Administration. As in alternate truth!!!



As a member of a Tea Party I never heard that RINOs like you are extreme leftists. That's as bunk as your definition of fascism. RINOs, as established well before the emergence of the Tea Parties, are simply Republicans in name only and tend to vote with Democrats. Your use of the pejorative for Tea Parties indicates you're left of RINOs.

Chris
08-20-2017, 09:03 AM
Desperate for the "other side" to be just as despicable as they are. It helps them justify their actions to themselves.

Do you really think anyone cares that you cry like a snowflake over the use of alt-left? Do you really think anyone will wipe away the tears and say, there, there, I'll stop using the term. Of all things to argue about, words people use. You can't control that.

Crepitus
08-20-2017, 09:48 AM
Do you really think anyone cares that you cry like a snowflake over the use of alt-left? Do you really think anyone will wipe away the tears and say, there, there, I'll stop using the term. Of all things to argue about, words people use. You can't control that.

Do you really think that anyone still pays attention to you?

Chris
08-20-2017, 09:54 AM
Do you really think that anyone still pays attention to you?

I'm not the topic. Alt left is.

Crepitus
08-20-2017, 10:13 AM
I'm not the topic. Alt left is.

There is no such thing.

hanger4
08-20-2017, 10:32 AM
There is no such thing.

What would you prefer the extreme and or violent factions of the left be called ??

Chris
08-20-2017, 10:36 AM
What would you prefer the extreme and or violent factions of the left be called ??

Nazis.

del
08-20-2017, 10:38 AM
What would you prefer the extreme and or violent factions of the left be called ??

chrises

Crepitus
08-20-2017, 10:42 AM
What would you prefer the extreme and or violent factions of the left be called ??

Ask them.

Crepitus
08-20-2017, 10:42 AM
Nazis.

Nope, those are the extreme right.

Peter1469
08-20-2017, 10:43 AM
Nope, those are the extreme right.

Small government?

MisterVeritis
08-20-2017, 10:45 AM
No such thing, as I have been saying.

Right, you are all bad actors. There is no alt right. It is a figment of your imagination.

Crepitus
08-20-2017, 10:48 AM
Small government?

Put your little toy political chart away and join the discussion.

Crepitus
08-20-2017, 10:49 AM
Right, you are all bad actors. There is no alt right. It is a figment of your imagination.

Then who are the people who call themselves the alt right?

hanger4
08-20-2017, 10:54 AM
Ask them.

Do you not know what to call them ??

Do you deny they exist ??

Or is it only OK for the left to lump all rightwing extremism under the "alternative right" banner yet leftwing extremism must be treated as individual entities ??

Chris
08-20-2017, 10:54 AM
Then who are the people who call themselves the alt right?

Mainly this guy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lgl53EXInPc

MisterVeritis
08-20-2017, 10:56 AM
Not true. Such a blatantly false claim damages any credibility you might retain.

No left-wing group has ever called itself the alt-left. And the groups smeared by the alt-left label don't include anything like the heinousness of overt Nazi-white supremacism that has increasingly defined the alt-right.
Antifa, the ANTI First Amendment, violent leftist movement had destroyed property, assaulted people and shut down speech. The American neo-Nazi movement and KKK just march and go home.

Peter1469
08-20-2017, 10:56 AM
Put your little toy political chart away and join the discussion.

You are a clown.

MisterVeritis
08-20-2017, 10:58 AM
Then who are the people who call themselves the alt right?
The alternative right means the non-establishment Republican right.

Crepitus
08-20-2017, 10:59 AM
Do you not know what to call them ??

Do you deny they exist ??

Or is it only OK for the left to lump all rightwing extremism under the "alternative right" banner yet leftwing extremism must be treated as individual entities ??

Wow. You got a hell of a lot out of those two words.

I'll say them again: Ask Them.

Crepitus
08-20-2017, 11:00 AM
Mainly this guy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lgl53EXInPc

LOL, so why did the rest of them adopt the title?

Crepitus
08-20-2017, 11:01 AM
The alternative right means the non-establishment Republican right.

Oh, so you then?

Crepitus
08-20-2017, 11:01 AM
You are a clown.

Better than being a side-kick.

Chris
08-20-2017, 11:04 AM
LOL, so why did the rest of them adopt the title?

The rest of who? You and your fellow travelers? The leftist media?

MisterVeritis
08-20-2017, 11:04 AM
Oh, so you then?
I am the real right. Establishment Republicans are Democrat operatives. They are slightly less leftist than you. The alternative right is the nonleftist right.

The alternative right is the right. The ones you want included are not on the right. They are national socialists, your team. They are communists, your team, and they are misfits. Again, your team.

Crepitus
08-20-2017, 11:20 AM
I am the real right. Establishment Republicans are Democrat operatives. They are slightly less leftist than you. The alternative right is the nonleftist right.

The alternative right is the right. The ones you want included are not on the right. They are national socialists, your team. They are communists, your team, and they are misfits. Again, your team.

Right. You.

hanger4
08-20-2017, 11:21 AM
Wow. You got a hell of a lot out of those two words.

I'll say them again: Ask Them.

I asked you a question, you ignored.

Chris
08-20-2017, 11:23 AM
The rest of who? You and your fellow travelers? The leftist media?


Just got part of an answer, the alt-right is an economic movement, as only a Marxist could possibly analyze.

No, the alt-right, Milo and his minions, is an online movement to taunt and troll SJWs. Listen to Milo, it's all he does.

del
08-20-2017, 11:23 AM
lol

Chris
08-20-2017, 11:24 AM
lol

Ever drowning and raising arms for help.

Crepitus
08-20-2017, 11:24 AM
I asked you a question, you ignored.

No, now you aren't telling the truth. I did not ignore your question, I referred you to the people you should be asking.

Kalkin
08-20-2017, 11:26 AM
Actually: It is newspeak for "Fascism". Our modern fascists do not mind being fascists, they simply do not like to be called fascists, so they invented the title of alt-right.

Like the marxists have rebranded themselves progressives?

Kalkin
08-20-2017, 11:31 AM
Do you really think that anyone still pays attention to you?

Do you really think that anyone ever paid attention to you?

Kalkin
08-20-2017, 11:33 AM
There is no such thing.
One look in a mirror will destroy your premise. After observing your mental state, I would advise you to tread carefully.

Chris
08-20-2017, 11:35 AM
One look in a mirror will destroy your premise. After observing your mental state, I would advise you to tread carefully.

Crep's not alt-right, just a Democrat.

Kalkin
08-20-2017, 11:35 AM
Wow. You got a hell of a lot out of those two words.

I'll say them again: Ask Them.

I did. They said alt-left. Next.

Kalkin
08-20-2017, 11:37 AM
Crep's not alt-right, just a Democrat.

He's alt-left.

Chris
08-20-2017, 11:39 AM
He's alt-left.

Nah, he just hates Trump.

MisterVeritis
08-20-2017, 11:39 AM
Right. You.
I am a Constitutional Conservative. There are very few of us in the Republican Party.

hanger4
08-20-2017, 11:46 AM
No, now you aren't telling the truth. I did not ignore your question, I referred you to the people you should be asking.

No you didn't, I asked YOU, the left has decided all extreme and or violent factions on the right are 'alt right', so it stands to reason the extreme and or violent factions on the left also deserves a name, what ??

MisterVeritis
08-20-2017, 11:47 AM
No you didn't, I asked YOU, the left has decided all extreme and or violent factions on the right are 'alt right', so it stands to reason the extreme and or violent factions on the left also deserves a name, what ??
We call that the Democratic Party.

Crepitus
08-20-2017, 12:34 PM
Judging by the flood of responses I have gotten, yes.

Including you I might add.


Do you really think that anyone ever paid attention to you?

Crepitus
08-20-2017, 12:35 PM
One look in a mirror will destroy your premise. After observing your mental state, I would advise you to tread carefully.

I thought nobody listened to me?

Obviously you are.

Chris
08-20-2017, 12:35 PM
Judging by the flood of responses I have gotten, yes.

Including you I might add.

They're responding not to you but the nonsense you post.

Crepitus
08-20-2017, 12:35 PM
I did. They said alt-left. Next.

You lie.

And here you are paying attention to my posts again.

Crepitus
08-20-2017, 12:36 PM
He's alt-left.

There is no such thing.

Crepitus
08-20-2017, 12:37 PM
I am a Constitutional Conservative. There are very few of us in the Republican Party.

Like I said: You.

Crepitus
08-20-2017, 12:37 PM
No you didn't, I asked YOU, the left has decided all extreme and or violent factions on the right are 'alt right', so it stands to reason the extreme and or violent factions on the left also deserves a name, what ??

Let them decide for themselves as the alt-right did.

Crepitus
08-20-2017, 12:38 PM
They're responding not to you but the nonsense you post.

Except I'm not posting nonsense.

Chris
08-20-2017, 12:45 PM
Except I'm not posting nonsense.

Of course not. :)

resister
08-20-2017, 12:49 PM
Why is it so important to you to deny that the left has their own far left, fringe Crepitus?

Crepitus
08-20-2017, 12:52 PM
Why is it so important to you to deny that the left has their own far left, fringe Crepitus?

Who's denying that?

They're out there all right.

Chris
08-20-2017, 01:15 PM
Who's denying that?

They're out there all right.

And they're called alt-left. Simple as that. Why all this effort arguing about the words people use?

Kalkin
08-20-2017, 01:21 PM
Judging by the flood of responses I have gotten, yes.

Including you I might add.
Don't mistake making an ass of yourself for positive attention.

Kalkin
08-20-2017, 01:22 PM
I thought nobody listened to me?

Obviously you are.
See my previous post, alt-lefter.

Kalkin
08-20-2017, 01:23 PM
You lie.

Your entire life is a lie, you're just not perceptive enough to know it.

Kalkin
08-20-2017, 01:24 PM
There is no such thing.

Yet here you are, proving me correct.

Kalkin
08-20-2017, 01:25 PM
Why is it so important to you to deny that the left has their own far left, fringe Crepitus?
Because that's how Alinsky taught him to respond.

del
08-20-2017, 01:50 PM
Ever drowning and raising arms for help.
lol

MisterVeritis
08-20-2017, 02:11 PM
Like I said: You.
Your ignorance, stupidity, and hatred is your personal problem.

Crepitus
08-20-2017, 03:18 PM
And they're called alt-left. Simple as that. Why all this effort arguing about the words people use?

Because words have meanings, both written and implied/inferred.

Chris
08-20-2017, 03:19 PM
Because words have meanings, both written and implied/inferred.

Yes, people who say alt-left have meaning in mind.

Crepitus
08-20-2017, 03:19 PM
Don't mistake making an ass of yourself for positive attention.

Lol, it's how pissed off you guys get that let's me know my posts are correct.

Crepitus
08-20-2017, 03:22 PM
Your entire life is a lie, you're just not perceptive enough to know it.

You are still lying.

Crepitus
08-20-2017, 03:22 PM
Yet here you are, proving me correct.

Lol, never happened. Never will either.

Crepitus
08-20-2017, 03:26 PM
Your ignorance, stupidity, and hatred is your personal problem.

Sure, I'll let you know when I have any of that.

Crepitus
08-20-2017, 03:29 PM
Yes, people who say alt-left have meaning in mind.

And people who call themselves the alt-right have a different meaning in mind, but you want them to be the same.

They aren't.

Chris
08-20-2017, 03:42 PM
And people who call themselves the alt-right have a different meaning in mind, but you want them to be the same.

They aren't.

Huh? I keep posting Milo as alt-right. I accept what he says, he's out to troll SJWs. Listen...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3L2KpmEhAY

Kalkin
08-20-2017, 03:55 PM
Lol, it's how pissed off you guys get that let's me know my posts are correct.
I'm not pissed at all. Recalibrate your perception.

Kalkin
08-20-2017, 03:56 PM
You are still lying.

Nope.

Kalkin
08-20-2017, 03:57 PM
Lol, never happened. Never will either.

Denial won't save your tattered reputaion.

Chris
08-20-2017, 04:10 PM
Good definition of alt-left...

https://i.snag.gy/yapAsQ.jpg

Crepitus
08-20-2017, 04:12 PM
I'm not pissed at all. Recalibrate your perception.

Sure, sure.

lol

Crepitus
08-20-2017, 04:13 PM
Nope.

yup

Crepitus
08-20-2017, 04:13 PM
Denial won't save your tattered reputaion.

lol

Kalkin
08-20-2017, 04:21 PM
Sure, sure.

lol

I do find it amusing that you are so unacquainted with the truth that you fail to recognize it when it's staring you right in the face. Maybe you can use some silly emoticons for your next intellectual response?

Kalkin
08-20-2017, 04:21 PM
yup
Nope.

Kalkin
08-20-2017, 04:22 PM
lol
You're devolving quickly here, son. Hit the showers, the game is over.

resister
08-20-2017, 04:23 PM
No it's not. Yes it is. No it's not...is to is to!

Kalkin
08-20-2017, 04:35 PM
Here's the thing about the alt-left and whether or not they've adopted that title for themselves: much like idiots and azzholes, one need not get their permission to accurately label them.