The Extremely Stupid Controversy Over ESPN Announcer Robert Lee, Summarized

[Chris]

Good grief, Charlie Brown!

The Extremely Stupid Controversy Over ESPN Announcer Robert Lee, Summarized (http://digg.com/2017/robert-lee-espn-controversy-explained)


On Tuesday, ESPN reassigned a sports announcer by the name of Robert Lee from calling a football game at University of Virginia on September 2. (Lee was reassigned to cover a game in Pittsburgh on the ACC Network Extra channel.)

The decision stemmed from the fact that Lee's name resembles that of Confederate General Robert E. Lee, a statue of whom was the rally point of white supremacist protestors who incited violence in Charlottesville — the home of the University of Virginia — earlier this month.

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For everything you need to know about the extremely dumb fallout from ESPN's decision, read on.

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[Chris]

Here's another from left field...

Confederate monument controversy makes way to Ireland (http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/24/europe/tuam-ireland-confederate-controversy-dick-dowling/index.html)


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The controversy over America's Confederate monuments has made its way across the pond.

On the facade of the Tuam Town Hall in County Galway is an unassuming bronze plaque that, after two decades in the damp climate of western Ireland, almost blends into the building's gray stone facade.

It honors Dick Dowling, an Irish-born hero of the Confederacy.

After hundreds of white nationalists and other right-wing groups converged on Charlottesville, Virginia, to protest the removal of a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee, calls to take down homages to the Confederacy reached their zenith. From Baltimore and Florida to Texas and California, memorials came down

More than 3,000 miles away from Charlottesville, County Galway Councilor Shaun Cunniffe heard calls as well -- six, to be exact. The callers had read about the Dowling plaque and wanted it removed, Cunniffe said.

[silvereyes]

That's just fucking stupid. Ugh.

[Common]

The left has gone nuts and america is going to soundly reject them

[Standing Wolf]

The left has gone nuts and america is going to soundly reject them

I have my doubts that the "Robert Lee" story is as advertised, but even if it is you would be hard pressed to find anyone on "the left" who doesn't think it's as stupid as you do, C.

[Ethereal]

I have my doubts that the "Robert Lee" story is as advertised, but even if it is you would be hard pressed to find anyone on "the left" who doesn't think it's as stupid as you do, C.

You severely underestimate the stupidity of many on the left.

[Standing Wolf]

You severely underestimate the stupidity of many on the left.

Not at all...and I likewise have no illusions about the "brain trust" represented by many on the right. I do my level best not to generalize, however. Not always easy to do these days, given the blind, hysterical loyalty to Cheeto Jeus so many on the right have allowed to cloud their vision and which has caused them to defend the indefensible at every turn...but I try.

[Chris]

Not at all...and I likewise have no illusions about the "brain trust" represented by many on the right. I do my level best not to generalize, however. Not always easy to do these days, given the blind, hysterical loyalty to Cheeto Jeus so many on the right have allowed to cloud their vision and which has caused them to defend the indefensible at every turn...but I try.


I likewise have no illusions about the "brain trust" represented by many on the right. I do my level best not to generalize, however.

You just did.

So, no, you do not try.

[del]

thus spake the arbiter

[Standing Wolf]

I likewise have no illusions about the "brain trust" represented by many on the right.


You just did.

So, no, you do not try.

Chris, you're just going to keep embarrassing yourself until you learn that you can't ignore the words you don't want to be there.

"Generalizing", in this context, means writing things like "the left" this, and "liberals" that - without the qualifying "some" or even "many".

As has been pointed out many times on this forum, one of the starkest differences between LW and RW posters here is that the former tend to attack and criticize small groups, individuals and stupid policies of the Right without necessarily feeling as though they have to condemn the Right as an entity; RW posters don't seem to believe they've done their job unless they accuse every liberal of any- and everything bad, silly or stupid that any leftist has ever said or done.

[Chris]

Chris, you're just going to keep embarrassing yourself until you learn that you can't ignore the words you don't want to be there.

"Generalizing", in this context, means writing things like "the left" this, and "liberals" that - without the qualifying "some" or even "many".

As has been pointed out many times on this forum, one of the starkest differences between LW and RW posters here is that the former tend to attack and criticize small groups, individuals and stupid policies of the Right without necessarily feeling as though they have to condemn the Right as an entity; RW posters don't seem to believe they've done their job unless they accuse every liberal of any- and everything bad, silly or stupid that any leftist has ever said or done.

Oh, I see, generalizing is only bad when it's used against the left. Your overgeneralizing about the right is good. Do I have that right now, Wolf?

[Chris]

thus spake the arbiter

We're all arbiters, del. Or do you have no moral compass?

[Chris]

I have my doubts that the "Robert Lee" story is as advertised, but even if it is you would be hard pressed to find anyone on "the left" who doesn't think it's as stupid as you do, C.


Also, http://www.snopes.com/2017/08/23/robert-lee-espn/: "There is no dispute that Robert Lee was moved off covering a University of Virginia football game for ESPN because of the coincidence of his name."

[The Xl]

This may not represent all on the left, but stuff like this was the logical next step. It has been enabled and trending this way.

[Ethereal]

Not at all...and I likewise have no illusions about the "brain trust" represented by many on the right. I do my level best not to generalize, however. Not always easy to do these days, given the blind, hysterical loyalty to Cheeto Jeus so many on the right have allowed to cloud their vision and which has caused them to defend the indefensible at every turn...but I try.

Your definition of "the right" is just "non-liberals".

[Ethereal]

thus spake the arbiter
Thus spake the clown.

[Ethereal]

Chris, you're just going to keep embarrassing yourself until you learn that you can't ignore the words you don't want to be there.

"Generalizing", in this context, means writing things like "the left" this, and "liberals" that - without the qualifying "some" or even "many".

As has been pointed out many times on this forum, one of the starkest differences between LW and RW posters here is that the former tend to attack and criticize small groups, individuals and stupid policies of the Right without necessarily feeling as though they have to condemn the Right as an entity; RW posters don't seem to believe they've done their job unless they accuse every liberal of any- and everything bad, silly or stupid that any leftist has ever said or done.
Liberals tend to coalesce and engage in rampant groupthink, so generalizing about them is warranted at times. Just look at your guys lunatic obsession with "Russian collusion", for example.

[Standing Wolf]

Oh, I see, generalizing is only bad when it's used against the left. Your overgeneralizing about the right is good. Do I have that right now, Wolf?

Chris, when you pretend (?) not to understand what you've just read, you only make yourself appear ridiculous.

Modifying a characterization by using words like "some" or even "many" is not the same as writing "liberals are insane" or "liberals hate their mothers", or any of the cretinous generalizations posted here every day by you and your buddies.

You bring the entire forum down with your juvenile whining.

[resister]

We're all arbiters, del. Or do you have no moral compass?
Seeing as he asked me if my wife is dead yet? No, no moral compass, in addition to being subhuman scum. He is a real lowlife.

[silvereyes]

You severely underestimate the stupidity of many on the left.

Sigh.

While you severely and harshly judge all liberals with jaded eyes.

[silvereyes]

You just did.

So, no, you do not try.

Wrong. He plainly said "many" just as Eth did.

[Bethere]

I have my doubts that the "Robert Lee" story is as advertised, but even if it is you would be hard pressed to find anyone on "the left" who doesn't think it's as stupid as you do, C.

Espn found an effective way to get us to talk about a football game between Virginia and William &Mary.

They are freaking geniuses.

[resister]

Sigh.

While you severely and harshly judge all liberals with jaded eyes.
How do you feel about post #19 silvereyes Seeing as you like to quote my insults, can you find me asking if someones spouse is dead yet? Why don't you call out such scum?

[resister]

How do you feel about post #19 @silvereyes (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1218) Seeing as you like to quote my insults, can you find me asking if someones spouse is dead yet? Why don't you call out such scum?
Don't worry, I would ignore this post, too.

[silvereyes]

How do you feel about post #19 silvereyes Seeing as you like to quote my insults, can you find me asking if someones spouse is dead yet? Why don't you call out such scum?

What are you talking about? I haven't looked yet. Jesus. Give me time. I'm kinda busy down here.

[resister]

What are you talking about? I haven't looked yet. Jesus. Give me time. I'm kinda busy down here.Your pals Bethere and del, continue to make fun of my wife, even knowing she is in the ICU. Del asked me tonight if she was dead yet.

You seem to be a master of the search function when it comes to my post. I challenge you to search dels and betheres post concerning my wife silvereyes

[silvereyes]

Seeing as he asked me if my wife is dead yet? No, no moral compass, in addition to being subhuman scum. He is a real lowlife.

Ugh.
1. I haven't seen him ask you, or anyone, that.
2. If I had then I would have said something.
3. You saw me jump Jim's ass so don't you dare accuse me of anything.
4. I don't know what started any of y'all's bullshit mess but ALL OF IT needs to fucking stop.
5. Y'all all need to quit dragging this vendetta shit all over the forum. Everyone is probably sick of it.


del knock that crap off. My understanding is that this kind of shit is off-limits. So stop.

[silvereyes]

Your pals Bethere and del, continue to make fun of my wife, even knowing she is in the ICU. Del asked me tonight if she was dead yet.

You seem to be a master of the search function when it comes to my post. I challenge you to search dels and betheres post concerning my wife silvereyes

Dude, I just said what I'm going to. Y'all need to keep this shit in the hole.

[silvereyes]

Don't worry, I would ignore this post, too.

Stop @ing me just to drag me into y'all's bullshit.
And you can also stop being a dick implying I'm ignoring something. I've got real life stuff to worry about tonight....like making sure all my kids are going to be in safe places.

Ugh ugh ugh.

[resister]

Dude, I just said what I'm going to. Y'all need to keep this shit in the hole.
I aprriciate your sentiment but you can be a master of multi quoting any damn thing a conservative ever said, if you multi quote them, most people will vomit.

[resister]

Stop @ing me just to drag me into y'all's bullshit.
And you can also stop being a dick implying I'm ignoring something. I've got real life stuff to worry about tonight....like making sure all my kids are going to be in safe places.

Ugh ugh ugh.
OK, stop dropping in out of nowhere and multiquoting me, or I will call you on it.

[silvereyes]

OK, stop dropping in out of nowhere and multiquoting me, or I will call you on it.

Look, I will post when I want and how I post. Period. You don't get to dictate how anyone behaves here except yourself. For some reason you have a huge attitude problem.
Dropping in out nowhere? Wtf. I don't have the luxury of sitting here 24/7. I drop by at MY leisure, not YOURS.

[resister]

Look, I will post when I want and how I post. Period. You don't get to dictate how anyone behaves here except yourself. For some reason you have a huge attitude problem.
Dropping in out nowhere? Wtf. I don't have the luxury of sitting here 24/7. I drop by at MY leisure, not YOURS.
Forgive me, I am frustrated and lashing out at the wrong person, you did not attack my wife.

I just hate your pals that did so.

It was wrong for me to lash out at you.

[silvereyes]

Forgive me, I am frustrated and lashing out at the wrong person, you did not attack my wife.

I just hate your pals that did so.

It was wrong for me to lash out at you.

Thank you. I was seriously floored because I do call out shit when I see it. I admittedly miss alot because I'm absent alot...but I KNOW you saw me not backing down on Jim the other day.

[resister]

Thank you. I was seriously floored because I do call out shit when I see it. I admittedly miss alot because I'm absent alot...but I KNOW you saw me not backing down on Jim the other day.
That is true.

[AeonPax]

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What could have been an easy to discuss issue here has once again been hijacked by the partisans here, further eroding any credibility this forum has remaining.

[resister]

I am a little angry, skip to about 1;25
https://youtu.be/HCBPmxiVMKk

[Common]

I have my doubts that the "Robert Lee" story is as advertised, but even if it is you would be hard pressed to find anyone on "the left" who doesn't think it's as stupid as you do, C.
Whether the left embraces it or not, the independents and non affiliated will see its all apart of the antifa idiots raging around the country and CNN and MSBNC blasting about robert e Lee statues ruining the country and the are Most definitely the far left

There are many things republicans or supposed republicans do that I dont agree with that effect politics.

The bottom line america does not like what the left has caused in this country. Only the left does

[Common]

I have my doubts that the "Robert Lee" story is as advertised, but even if it is you would be hard pressed to find anyone on "the left" who doesn't think it's as stupid as you do, C.

Oh and dont doubt the story its true

[Ransom]

What are you talking about? I haven't looked yet. Jesus. Give me time. I'm kinda busy down here.
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[Ransom]

Your pals Bethere and del, continue to make fun of my wife, even knowing she is in the ICU. Del asked me tonight if she was dead yet.

You seem to be a master of the search function when it comes to my post. I challenge you to search dels and betheres post concerning my wife @silvereyes (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1218)
Resister....for you wife.....place those two on ignore. Stupid is as stupid does. Can't change that.

[DGUtley]

19661

[Chris]

This may not represent all on the left, but stuff like this was the logical next step. It has been enabled and trending this way.

Things just get out of hand, get silly.

[Chris]

Chris, when you pretend (?) not to understand what you've just read, you only make yourself appear ridiculous.

Modifying a characterization by using words like "some" or even "many" is not the same as writing "liberals are insane" or "liberals hate their mothers", or any of the cretinous generalizations posted here every day by you and your buddies.

You bring the entire forum down with your juvenile whining.



This is good. You can see how you're doing what you criticize, overgeneralize, so, yes, ahah! there must be something wrong with me, I must be pretending, I must not understand, I'm ridiculous.
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Nice ad hom, wolf, fallacious as hell, but nice ad hom. I bet you must convince one or two people with it. --Oh, wait, not ad hom, an insult. --Oh, wait, no, not that, just an observation. Isn't that how you usually weasle out of this?

Some and many are generalizations, wolf. You're not talking about individuals, not talking about particular instances, you are generalizing about a group.

Seems to me, wolf, you're doing the whining here. I simply pointed out your hypocrisy.

[Chris]

I have my doubts that the "Robert Lee" story is as advertised, but even if it is you would be hard pressed to find anyone on "the left" who doesn't think it's as stupid as you do, C.


You severely underestimate the stupidity of many on the left.


Sigh.

While you severely and harshly judge all liberals with jaded eyes.


Hold on now. According to wolf using words like some and many is not generalizing. Wolf in criticizing common though did generalize.

[Chris]

Wrong. He plainly said "many" just as Eth did.

But you just criticized Eth for overgeneralizing. He modified with many. Wolf did as well. So what is it, Eth overgeneralized but wolf didn't?


I give you credit, unlike Wolf, you didn't launch into a personal attack.

[Chris]

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What could have been an easy to discuss issue here has once again been hijacked by the partisans here, further eroding any credibility this forum has remaining.



Right, the whole thing, the whole PC thing, is silly, posted for a laugh, but some people get so serious and start attacking others--as if it means something.

[Standing Wolf]

Oh and dont doubt the story its true

Yeah, I have heard "news" reports confirming it. Pretty amazing, but again...only a very small number of Special Interest Liberals will think what they did makes any kind of sense.

I posted a story the other day about a couple of schools that are having their names changed to take out the "Lynch" (the name of the family that donated the land they're built on). There are probably folks who think that makes sense, too. I'm actually waiting for a "Lynch" or maybe a "Coon" to get beaten or stabbed one of these days...or maybe just feel compelled to change his or her name in order to avoid trouble.

Oddly enough, when I was in the Navy, a young Black man from Maine whose last name was Coon - yes, I know...the joke writes itself, doesn't it?...checked into my command, and I had to ask him, "Have you ever thought about changing your name?", and he responded, "No...why?" He had never in his life heard his name used as a racial epithet. I told him, "Well, you're in Tennessee now, and the first time one of your buddies yells across the bar, 'Hey, Coon!', you'll find out why".

[Adelaide]

General warning to remind users that discussing the Hole should not occur on the main forum. Please stick to discussing the topic.

[Ethereal]

19661
Announcer: And what are you thoughts, Robert Lee?
Lee: The honor of Virginia is at stake. If they do not advance the ball past the transverse line demarcating the normal field of play from the end zone with sufficient frequency, victory and its attendant glory will elude them. My recommendation would be to concentrate the bulk of their manpower and matériel on attacking the enemy from the air.
Announcer: You mean passing the ball?
Lee: Indeed, sir.

[Adelaide]

This seems extremely silly.

[Chris]

This seems extremely silly.



Trump gets elected and the country goes to hell in a handbasket.

With spillover into Ireland.

[leekohler2]

The left has gone nuts and america is going to soundly reject them

Yeah, because the right is sane. Maybe you need to look around a little bit more...take off those partisan blinders...

[leekohler2]

This seems extremely silly.

Of course it's silly.

[Standing Wolf]

But you just criticized Eth for overgeneralizing. He modified with many. Wolf did as well. So what is it, Eth overgeneralized but wolf didn't?


I give you credit, unlike Wolf, you didn't launch into a personal attack.


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[Captain Obvious]

The left, even the sympathizing moderate left has no idea how batshit foolish they are.

[Chris]

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/a7/13/35/a7133583ff0127891ca6e7929e7307f6.jpg

It's your reputation you're ruining not mine.

[Chris]

The left, even the sympathizing moderate left has no idea how batshit foolish they are.

Not sure espn is liberal but they're ocerreactingto liberal demands for PC.

[Standing Wolf]

It's your reputation you're ruining not mine.

You just bring out the best in so many people, Chris. Without you, this forum would be a very different place.

[Chris]

You just bring out the best in so many people, Chris. Without you, this forum would be a very different place.

Just another personal attack. Why do you think your opinion important? I'm the bad guy pointing out your fallacies, oh my! It's your reputation.

[Ransom]

This seems extremely silly.
This entire race to see who can be most marginalized is silly.

[Ethereal]

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/a7/13/35/a7133583ff0127891ca6e7929e7307f6.jpg
^^^Setting the example^^^

[Ethereal]

You just bring out the best in so many people, Chris. Without you, this forum would be a very different place.
He's been here a lot longer than you have and contributed far more to the forum than you ever will. The only thing you have that he does not is an unshakable confidence in your own righteousness and propriety.

[Safety]

It's your reputation you're ruining not mine.

Of course, how could something so low, get lower?

[Safety]

He's been here a lot longer than you have and contributed far more to the forum than you ever will. The only thing you have that he does not is an unshakable confidence in your own righteousness and propriety.

Your opinion is noted, but not relevant.

[Chris]

Of course, how could something so low, get lower?

Ask wolf.

[Safety]

Ask wolf.

I asked you. SW is one of the most consistent members on tPF, but just because he may lean left, the hard right partisans can't stand it.

[Chris]

I asked you. SW is one of the most consistent members on tPF, but just because he may lean left, the hard right partisans can't stand it.

The criticism of his memes and insults above is not political. Want to ask me questions, ask me about what I post, not the nonsense you twist it into.

[donttread]

Good grief, Charlie Brown!

The Extremely Stupid Controversy Over ESPN Announcer Robert Lee, Summarized (http://digg.com/2017/robert-lee-espn-controversy-explained)

Please, please , please tell me you're kidding. For God sakes he's not even white or black. Fuckin ESPN is just another "make the news network" anyway

[Safety]

The criticism of his memes and insults above is not political. Want to ask me questions, ask me about what I post, not the nonsense you twist it into.

The attempt to criticize him for his posts, but nary the person he was responding to, makes it political and partisan.

[Tahuyaman]

The Extremely Stupid Controversy Over ESPN Announcer Robert Lee, Summarized
Pulling this guy from a broadcast because of his name was indeed a stupid thing to do. ESPN topped that stupidity in the way they tried to explain their reasons for doing so.

[Bo-4]

Haven't we ALL agreed at this point that this was a majorly stupid move on ESPN's part?

[Chris]

Haven't we ALL agreed at this point that this was a majorly stupid move on ESPN's part?

Stupid PC move.

[Bo-4]

Stupid PC move.

Agree!

So why do we have like 5 or 6 threads about this :confused:

[Chris]

Agree!

So why do we have like 5 or 6 threads about this :confused:

ESPN? Only one I think.

[Standing Wolf]

He's been here a lot longer than you have and contributed far more to the forum than you ever will. The only thing you have that he does not is an unshakable confidence in your own righteousness and propriety.

Both of you are in serious need of getting over yourselves, among other things.

[Chris]

Both of you are in serious need of getting over yourselves, among other things.

Oh come on now, wolf, where's that self-awareness.

[Standing Wolf]

Oh come on now, wolf, where's that self-awareness.

Among the things I find semi-hysterically funny about you, Chris, is that you go on and on about how people should discuss the topics and not focus on personalities, and then you post entire pages of the most ridiculous, self-directed, thin-skinned, off-topic nonsense.

I'm really going to have to go back to ignoring you more. Your little games and antics, along with your general cluelessness, just make you such an easy target for ridicule, and - I know you're not going to get this, Chris, but - there are more important things to discuss than you.

[Ethereal]

Your opinion is noted, but not relevant.

In order to make such a determination, you would have to be relevant yourself. Which, of course, you are not.

[Ethereal]

I asked you. SW is one of the most consistent members on tPF, but just because he may lean left, the hard right partisans can't stand it.
Yea, consistently dishonest, partisan, and sanctimonious.

[Ethereal]

Both of you are in serious need of getting over yourselves, among other things.
You're just projecting, as usual.

[Ethereal]

Among the things I find semi-hysterically funny about you, Chris, is that you go on and on about how people should discuss the topics and not focus on personalities, and then you post entire pages of the most ridiculous, self-directed, thin-skinned, off-topic nonsense.

Says the guy who needs a thread dedicated specifically to bashing forum members in total secrecy...

That must be where you run off to when someone confronts you in the regular forums.

[resister]

Says the guy who needs a thread dedicated specifically to bashing forum members in total secrecy...

That must be where you run off to when someone confronts you in the regular forums.Such a thread is cowardly.

[Ransom]

Among the things I find semi-hysterically funny about you, Chris, is that you go on and on about how people should discuss the topics and not focus on personalities, and then you post entire pages of the most ridiculous, self-directed, thin-skinned, off-topic nonsense.

I'm really going to have to go back to ignoring you more. Your little games and antics, along with your general cluelessness, just make you such an easy target for ridicule, and - I know you're not going to get this, Chris, but - there are more important things to discuss than you.

Damn

[Chris]

You're just projecting, as usual.

Indeed he is.

And obsessing.

[Chris]

Among the things I find semi-hysterically funny about you, Chris, is that you go on and on about how people should discuss the topics and not focus on personalities, and then you post entire pages of the most ridiculous, self-directed, thin-skinned, off-topic nonsense.

I'm really going to have to go back to ignoring you more. Your little games and antics, along with your general cluelessness, just make you such an easy target for ridicule, and - I know you're not going to get this, Chris, but - there are more important things to discuss than you.


Just more personal attack. Unsurprising, really. And meaningless. Boorish and boring.

I would hope you would stop obsessing over me. I don't find myself all that interesting.

[Adelaide]

Oh come on now, wolf, where's that self-awareness.

Among the things I find semi-hysterically funny about you, Chris, is that you go on and on about how people should discuss the topics and not focus on personalities, and then you post entire pages of the most ridiculous, self-directed, thin-skinned, off-topic nonsense.

I'm really going to have to go back to ignoring you more. Your little games and antics, along with your general cluelessness, just make you such an easy target for ridicule, and - I know you're not going to get this, Chris, but - there are more important things to discuss than you.



Discuss the topic, not each other.