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exotix
11-15-2012, 07:36 AM
... or the size of tiny men's characters ... or conservative kooks still in play and still in office ... or the audacity of conservative sleaze ..



Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham vowed to block U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice for a potential cabinet position after her remarks on the deadly Benghazi attack.
Yet not so long ago, they defended Condoleezza Rice over her misinformed Iraq WMD testimony.

“Lindsey Graham and John McCain are the same guys who had no problem voting for another woman named Rice to be Secretary of State.
And they cast those votes after Condoleezza Rice failed miserably as George W. Bush’s national security adviser after she and everyone else in the Bush administration misread the intelligence on Iraq’s, as it turned out, nonexistent weapons of mass destruction program as the Mushroom Cloud.”


The Republicans criticized Susan Rice for appearing on Sunday talk shows, prematurely claiming protests over an anti-Islamic video were the cause of the deadly Sept. 11 attacks, instead of calling the assault a premeditated strike.
The U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other Americans died in the chaos.

Rice, who has not been formally nominated for a position, is reportedly a front-runner for the Secretary of State post, soon to be vacated by Sec. Hillary Clinton.

O’Donnell accused Graham of “lying Joe McCarthy-style” for calling Susan Rice “’an essential player in the Benghazi debacle.”

McCain, who selected Sarah Palin to be a heartbeat away from the White House, said Susan Rice is “not qualified.”
He said, “Anyone who goes on national television in defiance of the facts five days later–we’re all responsible for what we say and what we do.”


President Obama fiercely hit back at the senators’ claims in a press conference on Wednesday.

“She made an appearance at the request of the White House in which she gave her best understanding of the intelligence that had been provided to her.
If Senator McCain and Senator Graham and others want to go after somebody, they should go after me,” said Obama.

McCain and Graham want to create a new special Senate committee to investigate the Benghazi attack.


VIDEO ~ http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45755883/ns/msnbc-the_last_word/#49832557


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hanger4
11-15-2012, 08:17 AM
... or the size of tiny men's characters ... or conservative kooks still in play and still in office ... or the audacity of conservative sleaze ..



Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham vowed to block U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice for a potential cabinet position after her remarks on the deadly Benghazi attack.
Yet not so long ago, they defended Condoleezza Rice over her misinformed Iraq WMD testimony.

“Lindsey Graham and John McCain are the same guys who had no problem voting for another woman named Rice to be Secretary of State.
And they cast those votes after Condoleezza Rice failed miserably as George W. Bush’s national security adviser after she and everyone else in the Bush administration misread the intelligence on Iraq’s, as it turned out, nonexistent weapons of mass destruction program as the Mushroom Cloud.”


The Republicans criticized Susan Rice for appearing on Sunday talk shows, prematurely claiming protests over an anti-Islamic video were the cause of the deadly Sept. 11 attacks, instead of calling the assault a premeditated strike.
The U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other Americans died in the chaos.

Rice, who has not been formally nominated for a position, is reportedly a front-runner for the Secretary of State post, soon to be vacated by Sec. Hillary Clinton.

O’Donnell accused Graham of “lying Joe McCarthy-style” for calling Susan Rice “’an essential player in the Benghazi debacle.”

McCain, who selected Sarah Palin to be a heartbeat away from the White House, said Susan Rice is “not qualified.”
He said, “Anyone who goes on national television in defiance of the facts five days later–we’re all responsible for what we say and what we do.”


President Obama fiercely hit back at the senators’ claims in a press conference on Wednesday.

“She made an appearance at the request of the White House in which she gave her best understanding of the intelligence that had been provided to her.
If Senator McCain and Senator Graham and others want to go after somebody, they should go after me,” said Obama.

McCain and Graham want to create a new special Senate committee to investigate the Benghazi attack.


VIDEO ~ http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45755883/ns/msnbc-the_last_word/#49832557




Are you implying that the CIA briefed Susan Rice or the WH that some obscure video was the cause de jour of the attacks ??

My guess is, now that Obama has defended Rice, you, exotix, feel safe to get all puffed up and defend, discuss something you probably know very little about.

exotix
11-15-2012, 08:24 AM
Are you implying that the CIA briefed Susan Rice or the WH that some obscure video was the cause de jour of the attacks ??

My guess is, now that Obama has defended Rice, you, exotix, feel safe to get all puffed up and defend, discuss something you probably know very little about.

Little lying Lindsey Graham & John McCain had the same (CIA) information as Susan Rice ... that's the point of this conservative sleaze OP ...

Cigar
11-15-2012, 08:35 AM
Little lying Lindsey Graham & John McCain had the same (CIA) information as Susan Rice ... that's the point of this conservative sleaze OP ...

Exactly ... but let's pretend we don't know that for partition politics.

hanger4
11-15-2012, 08:41 AM
Little lying Lindsey Graham & John McCain had the same (CIA) information as Susan Rice ... that's the point of this conservative sleaze OP ...

Really ??

And when did this CIA briefing occur ??

hanger4
11-15-2012, 08:42 AM
Exactly ... but let's pretend we don't know that for partition politics.

You too Cigar, when did this CIA briefing occur ??

exotix
11-15-2012, 08:47 AM
Really ??

And when did this CIA briefing occur ??

Probably before Cantor knew about the Petraeus love triangle before the White House did ... yeah ... that will also be an issue in the Benghazi attack ...

hanger4
11-15-2012, 08:51 AM
Probably before Cantor knew about the Petraeus love triangle before the White House did ... yeah ... that will also be an issue in the Benghazi attack ...

Now it's blame Petraeus with no evidence ??

exotix
11-15-2012, 08:56 AM
Now it's blame Petraeus with no evidence ??

Cantor said nothing and notified nobody (probably with the exception of his high-treason constituency) although he knew of it weeks before the Petraeus love-triangle disgrace broke ...

You would expect this from scumbags ... not congress members .... well, except conservatives ... as is this OP's gist ...

hanger4
11-15-2012, 08:56 AM
Here's your CIA briefing

6:58AM EDT October 19. 2012 - WASHINGTON (AP) — The CIA station chief in Libya reported to Washington within 24 hours of last month's deadly attack on the U.S. Consulate that there was evidence it was carried out by militants, not a spontaneous mob upset about an American-made video ridiculing Islam's Prophet Muhammad, U.S. officials have told The Associated Press.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2012/10/19/cia-libya/1643443/

Yet the WH sends Susan Rice out 5 days later on all the Sunday talking head shows to lie !!

Go for it kids, show me/us the CIA briefing that told the WH it was "it was cause of video" defense !!

exotix
11-15-2012, 09:07 AM
Here's your CIA briefing

6:58AM EDT October 19. 2012 - WASHINGTON (AP) — The CIA station chief in Libya reported to Washington within 24 hours of last month's deadly attack on the U.S. Consulate that there was evidence it was carried out by militants, not a spontaneous mob upset about an American-made video ridiculing Islam's Prophet Muhammad, U.S. officials have told The Associated Press.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2012/10/19/cia-libya/1643443/

Yet the WH sends Susan Rice out 5 days later on all the Sunday talking head shows to lie !!

Go for it kids, show me/us the CIA briefing that told the WH it was "it was cause of video" defense !!

This would be like trying to figure out when, where, how, why and who will commit the next mass-murder in the U.S. ...

As an example ... Little lying Linsey Graham & McKook simply put Condi Rice out there to tell you all about the Mushroom Cloud attack by Saddam ... can you imagine that ... Saddam had nuclear ICBM's the world never knew about ...

This is important concerning conservative sleaze as this OP's video shows ... Little Lying Lindsey Graham blaming the world for his lies ...

Cigar
11-15-2012, 09:11 AM
You too Cigar, when did this CIA briefing occur ??



I don't have The Central Inelegance Agency scheduled briefings for Congress ... I'm guess they don't post those.

FACT: Susan Rice has never been to Bengazi and thus "read" a "report" that "someone" gave her to "read" to the press.

hanger4
11-15-2012, 09:14 AM
This would be like trying to figure out when, where, how, why and who will commit the next mass-murder in the U.S. ...

The but, but, but they did it too defense is juvenile, but not unexpected coming from you.




As an example ... Little lying Linsey Graham & McKook simply put Condi Rice out there to tell you all about the Mushroom Cloud attack by Saddam ...

So you're going to stick to the "bad intelligence" meme when the WH knew the truth from the CIA with-in 24 hours.

Denial thy name is erotic.

hanger4
11-15-2012, 09:19 AM
I don't have The Central Inelegance Agency scheduled briefings for Congress ... I'm guess they don't post those.

FACT: Susan Rice has never been to Bengazi and thus "read" a "report" that "someone" gave her to "read" to the press.

OK, so who ever gave her the "press release" lied.

That is an indisputable fact.

Who gave her the press release ??

Cigar
11-15-2012, 09:27 AM
OK, so who ever gave her the "press release" lied.

That is an indisputable fact.

Who gave her the press release ??

So were where you when Coni Rice and Mr. Powell were doing The EXACT SAME THING?

It's NOT a Press Release ... it's a CIA Initial Investigation !

exotix
11-15-2012, 09:29 AM
The but, but, but they did it too defense is juvenile, but not unexpected coming from you.



So you're going to stick to the "bad intelligence" meme when the WH knew the truth from the CIA with-in 24 hours.

Denial thy name is erotic.

So what you're saying ... is that *after* 4 Americans died ... an investigation is warranted ...

But when an invasion of a country resulting in a genocide/holocaust happens *after* the lies of an imminent Iraq Nuclear Attack ... no investigation is warranted ...

Thus, you condone how Little Lying Lindsey Graham & McKooks' hysteria is playing out ?

hanger4
11-15-2012, 09:33 AM
So were where you when Coni Rice and Mr. Powell were doing The EXACT SAME THING?

It's NOT a Press Release ... it's a CIA Initial Investigation !



Who gave her the talking points CIGAR ??

You know exactly what I'm talking about.

The CIA knew with-in 24 hrs it wasn't a mob mad at video attack !!

5 days later Rice is lying to the public and the newzies.

Who told her to ??

shaarona
11-15-2012, 09:36 AM
So what you're saying ... is that *after* 4 Americans died ... an investigation is warranted ...

But when an invasion of a country resulting in a genocide/holocaust happens *after* the lies of an imminent Iraq Nuclear Attack ... no investigation is warranted ...

Thus, you condone how Little Lying Lindsey Graham & McKooks' hysteria is playing out ?

This is a bit off topic, but you have to see it.. Too good to pass up.

Its about an 80 million dollar "finders fee".

http://www2.tbo.com/news/military-news/2012/nov/14/6/official-jill-kelley-granted-unescorted-macdill-af-ar-564433/

Akula
11-15-2012, 09:38 AM
So what you're saying ... is that *after* 4 Americans died ... an investigation is warranted ...

But when an invasion of a country resulting in a genocide/holocaust happens *after* the lies of an imminent Iraq Nuclear Attack ... no investigation is warranted ...

Thus, you condone how Little Lying Lindsey Graham & McKooks' hysteria is playing out ?

LMAO..


GENOCIDE!!!

HOLOCAUST!!!!


We can't fix the past but we can prevent further mistakes...starting with this one.

You really need to get over the "it's all bushs fault" propaganda. It's worn out.

hanger4
11-15-2012, 09:46 AM
So what you're saying ... is that *after* 4 Americans died ... an investigation is warranted ...


But when an invasion of a country resulting in a genocide/holocaust happens *after* the lies of an imminent Iraq Nuclear Attack ... no investigation is warranted ...


No investgation !! Are you fer real ??


http://intelligence.senate.gov/080605/phase2a.pdf




Thus, you condone how Little Lying Lindsey Graham & McKooks' hysteria is playing out ?


They want answers, why did Susan Rice lie/who told her to.


Seems rather appropriate considering she maybe up for SoS.

exotix
11-15-2012, 09:46 AM
LMAO..


GENOCIDE!!!

HOLOCAUST!!!!


We can't fix the past but we can prevent further mistakes...starting with this one.

You really need to get over the "it's all bushs fault" propaganda. It's worn out.

I'm just wondering why the *Amigos* who did flak-jacket walks in Iraq won't do flak-jacket walks in Libya or any other *Free Muslim* nations ... but find meaning to thier miserable neocon existence by appearing before cameras in the U.S. in displays of wacknut hysteria ....

hanger4
11-15-2012, 09:54 AM
I'm just wondering why the *Amigos* who did flak-jacket walks in Iraq won't do flak-jacket walks in Libya or any other *Free Muslim* nations ... but find meaning to thier miserable neocon existence by appearing before cameras in the U.S. in displays of wacknut hysteria ....

I'm just wondering why you deflect and distract from your own OP ??

Akula
11-15-2012, 09:57 AM
I'm just wondering why the *Amigos* who did flak-jacket walks in Iraq won't do flak-jacket walks in Libya or any other *Free Muslim* nations ... but find meaning to thier miserable neocon existence by appearing before cameras in the U.S. in displays of wacknut hysteria ....

Say what?

You're so concerned with squeezing in as much vitriol and name calling as you can, that your meaning is unintelligible.

Cigar
11-15-2012, 09:58 AM
Who gave her the talking points CIGAR ??

You know exactly what I'm talking about.

The CIA knew with-in 24 hrs it wasn't a mob mad at video attack !!

5 days later Rice is lying to the public and the newzies.

Who told her to ??

She the United States Ambassador to the United Nations, not a Marine Guard who stands in front of Embassies ... who the Fuck do you thing gave her the talking points? Someone who WORKS for The President of The United States ... like Obama said, you got a problem ... show some balls and come to me!

hanger4
11-15-2012, 10:06 AM
She the United States Ambassador to the United Nations, not a Marine Guard who stands in front of Embassies ... who the Fuck do you thing gave her the talking points? Someone who WORKS for The President of The United States ... like Obama said, you got a problem ... show some balls and come to me!

So the WH house told her to lie or told her (unknowingly) a lie to tell.

Why ??

exotix
11-15-2012, 10:15 AM
I'm just wondering why you deflect and distract from your own OP ??


Say what?

You're so concerned with squeezing in as much vitriol and name calling as you can, that your meaning is unintelligible.

Just answer the question ... why does little lying Lindsey Graham & McKook want to appear before the media in hysterics calling for an investigation into the *Libya Debacle* after thier own disgraced general is to testify ... with the testimony to back-up the Obama Whitehouse ?

Cigar
11-15-2012, 10:16 AM
So the WH house told her to lie or told her (unknowingly) a lie to tell.

Why ??


Why ... to send you bitches twitching for the next 4 years :)

hanger4
11-15-2012, 10:18 AM
Just answer the question ... why does little lying Lindsey Graham & McKook want to appear before the media calling for an investigation into the *Libya Debacle* after thier own disgraced general is to testify ... with the testimony to back-up the Whitehouse ?

And you know this how ??

I have answered the question, Rice is up for SoS and Graham/McCain want to know why she lied, who told her to or told her a lie to tell.

hanger4
11-15-2012, 10:22 AM
Why ... to send you bitches twitching for the next 4 years :)

Four people died and you don't want to know why the WH is in cover-up mode ??

Integrity is not your strong point I see.

Cigar
11-15-2012, 10:25 AM
Four people died and you don't want to know why the WH is in cover-up mode ??

Integrity is not your strong point I see.


I'd rather wait to find out what the Investigation has to say ... don't you?

Do you have evidence of a cover up?

hanger4
11-15-2012, 10:27 AM
I'd rather wait to find out what the Investigation has to say ... don't you?

Do you have evidence of a cover up?

The CIA knew with-in 24 hours the attack was not caused by some obscure video, the WH sent Rice out 5 days later to lie about it.

That Cigar, is covering up the truth.

respectfulguest
11-15-2012, 10:29 AM
what does Benghazi have to do with Iraq and the previous Admin? This is going on 4-12 years ago now, how about stepping-up and taking accountability for your own actions instead of placing blame elsewhere..

and on the subject of WMD.. President Bush owns Iraq, he was C&C but do not recall excuses being made because prominent democrats made the following analysis on Iraq/WMD..

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological
weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program.
He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA),

"Hussein has .. chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

link attached..http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp

Chris
11-15-2012, 10:30 AM
that's the point of this conservative sleaze OP

Or, more succinctly, troll. It doesn't seem you're actually interested in the issue itself.


but let's pretend we don't know that for partition politics

"In politics, a partition is a change of political borders cutting through at least one territory considered a homeland by some community." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_(politics)

Huh?

exotix
11-15-2012, 10:45 AM
Or, more succinctly, troll.
It doesn't seem you're actually interested in the issue itself.


You can always tell when I hit a right-wing nerve ... or trolling ... never fails ... LOL.

Chris
11-15-2012, 10:48 AM
You can always tell when I hit a right-wing nerve ... or trolling ... never fails ... LOL.

Thank you for admitting all you were trying to do was troll. Says a lot about your character.

BTW, I doubt anyone considers Graham or McCain right wing. They're RINOs. Do try and get your facts straight before you troll. That way you won't hoist your own petard.

hanger4
11-15-2012, 10:50 AM
You can always tell when I hit a right-wing nerve ... or trolling ... never fails ... LOL.

So a WH cover-up about the cause of the Benghazi attack means nothing to you ??

Integrity ain't one of your strong points I see !!

exotix
11-15-2012, 10:53 AM
Thank you for admitting all you were trying to do was troll. Says a lot about your character.

BTW, I doubt anyone considers Graham or McCain right wing. They're RINOs. Do try and get your facts straight before you troll. That way you won't hoist your own petard.

Trolling always occurs when neocons (disguised as RINO's, Tea Partiers, libertarians & independents with an (R) before it or any other name they come up with to pretend they're some kind of different kind of conservative .... other than and since Bush ... ) who can't fess-up let alone answer to truth & fact ... again, never fails.

exotix
11-15-2012, 10:58 AM
So a WH cover-up about the cause of the Benghazi attack means nothing to you ??

Integrity ain't one of your strong points I see !!

Libya-hysteric neocons want you to believe that 4 dead Americans is the same as 1 Million dead people since 9/11 ... you need to find some neocons who weren't in office since Sept. 11, 2001 to make your case ...

Otherwise you look and sound like Jared Loughners endorsing the NRA.

Chris
11-15-2012, 11:03 AM
Trolling always occurs when neocons (disguised as RINO's, Tea Partiers, libertarians & independents with an (R) before it or any other name they come up with to pretend they're some kind of different kind of conservative .... other than and since Bush ... ) who can't fess-up let alone answer to truth & fact ... again, never fails.

That sure was a mixed up jumbo of nonsense.

When you post, don't just string together all the words and phrases you use for trolling, it will never make sense.

hanger4
11-15-2012, 11:08 AM
Libya-hysteric neocons want you to believe that 4 dead Americans is the same as 1 Million dead people since 9/11 ... you need to find some neocons who weren't in office since Sept. 11, 2001 to make your case ...

Otherwise you look and sound like Jared Loughners endorsing the NRA.

Well it's nice to know you're in lock-step with the WH's cover-up relating the Benghazi.

How does it feel to be on the wrong side of the truth ??

exotix
11-15-2012, 11:09 AM
That sure was a mixed up jumbo of nonsense.

When you post, don't just string together all the words and phrases you use for trolling, it will never make sense.

I see ... how'bout this one .... *Patriots* back up the president .... not conduct themselves as high-treason traitors enabling terrorists.

hanger4
11-15-2012, 11:13 AM
I see ... how'bout this one .... *Patriots* back up the president .... not conduct themselves as high-treason traitors enabling terrorists.

Kind a like blaming the Benghazi attacks on an obscure video when they knew with-in 24 hours it was a planed attack ??

That's kind a enabling to me.

Chris
11-15-2012, 11:15 AM
I see ... how'bout this one .... *Patriots* back up the president .... not conduct themselves as high-treason traitors enabling terrorists.

Patriotism has to do with love of country, not personalities.

Unless you were talking the football team.

exotix
11-15-2012, 11:16 AM
Kind a like blaming the Benghazi attacks on an obscure video when they knew with-in 24 hours it was a planed attack ??

That's kind a enabling to me.
Patriotism has to do with love of country, not personalities.

Unless you were talking the football team.

If you're a *tea party patriot* this is how you deduce ... or hijacking *patriotism* to mean something else ...

Cigar
11-15-2012, 11:20 AM
Patriotism has to do with love of country, not personalities.

Unless you were talking the football team.



Good ... so you agree getting captured should not be in a Hero's Personality Playbook. :grin:

Akula
11-15-2012, 11:24 AM
I see ... how'bout this one .... *Patriots* back up the president .... not conduct themselves as high-treason traitors enabling terrorists.

So..the colonists in 1776 were "high treason traitors enabling terrorists" because they didn't back the king, right? I guess to the british they were...
..we call them patriots, though...

truthmatters
11-15-2012, 11:26 AM
do any of you on the right remember your old montra of "your either with us or with the terrorists"?

Akula
11-15-2012, 11:27 AM
do any of you on the right remember your old montra of "your either with us or with the terrorists"?

Link?
Source?

Chris
11-15-2012, 11:27 AM
do any of you on the right remember your old montra of "your either with us or with the terrorists"?

Was that Bush the Liberal?

Chris
11-15-2012, 11:30 AM
If you're a *tea party patriot* this is how you deduce ... or hijacking *patriotism* to mean something else ...

Put that in a readable sentence.

I'm not a Tea Party patriot, btw, so when you write that sentence do it without making things up.

Also, use the standard definition of patriotism: "Patriotism is a devotion to one's country..." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriotism. So when you write that sentence do it without making things up.

exotix
11-15-2012, 11:30 AM
So..the colonists in 1776 were "high treason traitors enabling terrorists" because they didn't back the king, right? I guess to the british they were...
..we call them patriots, though...

The term patriot was always in (historical) reference to colonists in 1776 ... nobody used the term until Palin ... unless you were a wackbat.


See ~ *Patriotism is a virtue of the vicious*

Chris
11-15-2012, 11:30 AM
Good ... so you agree getting captured should not be in a Hero's Personality Playbook. :grin:

Make sense then I'll agree or disagree.

truthmatters
11-15-2012, 11:31 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpPABLW6F_A

truthmatters
11-15-2012, 11:32 AM
Link?
Source?



Why can you never remember the facts?

Akula
11-15-2012, 11:35 AM
The term patriot was always in (historical) reference to colonists in 1776 ... nobody used the term until Palin ... unless you were a wackbat.


See ~ *Patriotism is a virtue of the vicious*

Really?..nobody used the word before?..ok..whatever you say..
You're obsessed with palin/bush/mccain and any excuse to type silly invented words like "wackbat" etc...

Chris
11-15-2012, 11:36 AM
The term patriot was always in (historical) reference to colonists in 1776 ... nobody used the term until Palin ... unless you were a wackbat.


See ~ *Patriotism is a virtue of the vicious*

History lesson.

True, colonists used it first, as love of country.

But from Patriotism (http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/patriotism/):
This changed in the 1980s. The change was due, in part, to the revival of communitarianism, which came in response to the individualistic, liberal political and moral philosophy epitomized by John Rawls' Theory of Justice (1971); but it was also due to the resurgence of nationalism in several parts of the world. The beginning of this change was marked by Andrew Oldenquist's account of morality as a matter of various loyalties, rather than abstract principles and ideals (Oldenquist 1982), and Alasdair MacIntyre's argument that patriotism is a central moral virtue (MacIntyre 1984). Largely in response to MacIntyre, some philosophers have defended constrained or deflated versions of patriotism (Baron 1989, Nathanson 1989, Primoratz 2002). Others have argued against patriotism of any sort (Gomberg 1990, McCabe 1997). There is now a lively philosophical debate about the moral credentials of patriotism that shows no signs of abating. A parallel discussion in political philosophy concerns the kind of patriotism that might provide an alternative to nationalism as the ethos of a stable, well-functioning polity.

(Note, cigar has declared himself an advocate of communitarianism.)

Palin's use returned it to its original meaning, love of country.

exotix
11-15-2012, 11:40 AM
Really?..nobody used the word before?..ok..whatever you say..
You're obsessed with palin/bush/mccain and any excuse to type silly invented words like "wackbat" etc...

Well, there's *The Great Patriot(iotic) War(s)* ... but those were termed by the Russians during the Napoleonic invasion then the Nazi invasion of the Communists ...

Tea Partiers probably don't know this though ... LOL.

Akula
11-15-2012, 11:50 AM
Tea Partiers probably don't know this though ... LOL.
Why not?Why do you say that?

hanger4
11-15-2012, 11:53 AM
Well, there's *The Great Patriot(iotic) War(s)* ... but those were termed by the Russians during the Napoleonic invasion then the Nazi invasion of the Communists ...

Tea Partiers probably don't know this though ... LOL.

Good job EROTIC, you finally distracted everyone away from your debunked OP.

Cept me.

You and I both know the left can't defend the WH cover-up and Susan Rice's lying.

exotix
11-15-2012, 11:57 AM
Good job EROTIC, you finally distracted everyone away from your debunked OP.

Cept me.

You and I both know the left can't defend the WH cover-up and Susan Rice's lying.

The OP pwn'd you when the video you didn't watch pwn'd the *great patriots* Little Lying Lindsey Graham & McKook .... *yawn*

hanger4
11-15-2012, 12:06 PM
The OP pwn'd you when the video you didn't watch pwn'd the *great patriots* Little Lying Lindsey Graham & McKook .... *yawn*

You're one delusional little girl.

Susan Rice lied whether intentionally or unintentionally, the WH knew it wasn't an attack because of a video with-in 24 hours yet Rice went out 5 days later and did as she was told.

Your video "pwn'd" no one.

truthmatters
11-15-2012, 12:07 PM
Prove she lied you partisan hack

Chris
11-15-2012, 12:08 PM
The OP pwn'd you when the video you didn't watch pwn'd the *great patriots* Little Lying Lindsey Graham & McKook .... *yawn*

Why is it trolls have such enormous egos?

Chris
11-15-2012, 12:09 PM
Prove she lied you partisan hack

Prove she didn't, matters.

truthmatters
11-15-2012, 12:11 PM
She spoke the same facts that were in the briefing she was given on that date in history.


You will just lie and say its not true.


That is the facts you just dont like facts.

You prefer republican talking points full of republican lies.

exotix
11-15-2012, 12:11 PM
You're one delusional little girl.

Susan Rice lied whether intentionally or unintentionally, the WH knew it wasn't an attack because of a video with-in 24 hours yet Rice went out 5 days later and did as she was told.

Your video "pwn'd" no one.

It was like when the Egyptian coptic-christian felon who disguised himself as a Jew then posted the edited video desecrating Allah & Mohammed on You Tube to enrage Muslims ...

Neocons & Tea Partiers are enraged because he was arrested and his 1st Amendment Rights violated ... incredible.

truthmatters
11-15-2012, 12:13 PM
That is what happens when a criminal breaks the conditions of his parole

hanger4
11-15-2012, 12:16 PM
It was like when the Egyptian coptic-christian felon who disguised himself as a Jew then posted the edited video desecrating Allah & Mohammed on You Tube to enrage Muslims ...

Neocons & Tea Partiers are enraged because he was arrested and his 1st Amendment Rights violated ... incredible.

That's you story and you're stickin' to it.

How quaint, you do know the WH has dropped the "vid made um do it" BS right ??

exotix
11-15-2012, 12:19 PM
That's you story and you're stickin' to it.

How quaint, you do know the WH has dropped the "vid made um do it" BS right ??

Can you believe it ... neocons & tea partiers backing-up muslim terrorist actions ... and sliming the president for it ... and as *patriots* ...

... and on the anniversary of 9/11 for cris'sakes ...

Akula
11-15-2012, 01:00 PM
Why is it trolls have such enormous egos?

It's just what they do until they get appointed as moderators.

hanger4
11-15-2012, 01:06 PM
Can you believe it ... neocons & tea partiers backing-up muslim terrorist actions ... and sliming the president for it ... and as *patriots* ...

... and on the anniversary of 9/11 for cris'sakes ...


Ya know sweetie I don't know what it is you're doin', but next time you should only do a half cause a whole seems to be way more than you handle.

exotix
11-15-2012, 01:41 PM
Ya know sweetie I don't know what it is you're doin', but next time you should only do a half cause a whole seems to be way more than you handle.

Is this English or some other language ?

hanger4
11-15-2012, 01:53 PM
Is this English or some other language ?

Seeing as how you won't/can't defend your "lying" thread I thought we were playing tit for tat.

My bad, ya wanna get back on topic ?? I'm game.