The Alt-Right

[Perianne]

People have twisted the original meaning of the "alt-right" so much that any discussion of it is meaningless, yet here I am attempting a discussion of it.

About a year and a half ago, I read this this (http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/) and found that I readily agreed with the alt-right. It is a long read and probably no one will read it.

Now I think anyone on here would probably consider me as leaning right, but not extremely so. So, if I can agree with the original meaning of "alt-right", then most anyone else should be able to (except for leftist types).

I cringe nowadays when I read or hear about the "alt-right", as what the alt-right means today is not what it meant before President Trump was elected.

If the link I provided is not an accurate description of the alt-right, someone please define it more accurately.

[Chris]

That article distinguishes the alt-right from skinheads etc and that is correct. Originally the alt-right was people like Milo Yiannopoulos and Razib Khan, both mentioned in the article. Their purpose was largely to trigger feminists, gays, and other social justice warriors. The liberal media however twisted into identification with skinheads, neo_Nazis, etc.

[Perianne]

It was a good - though loooooong - description of the alt-right.

[Mister D]

That article distinguishes the alt-right from skinheads etc and that is correct. Originally the alt-right was people like Milo Yiannopoulos and Razib Khan, both mentioned in the article. Their purpose was largely to trigger feminists, gays, and other social justice warriors. The liberal media however twisted into identification with skinheads, neo_Nazis, etc.
BTW, this is the white nationalist Razib Khan.

https://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/razib.jpg

[Perianne]

BTW, this is the white nationalist Razib Khan.

https://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/razib.jpg
And Milo Yiannopoulos is a homosexual who prefers black partners.

[resister]

And Ben Shapiro is Jewish and wheres a Yammaka.

[Chris]

BTW, this is the white nationalist Razib Khan.

https://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/razib.jpg


And Milo Yiannopoulos is a homosexual who prefers black partners.


O! the ironies!!


So they were not against blacks, gays, females, etc, but against a certain type of politics.

[ripmeister]

Isn't Richard Spencer the one who is credited with creating the mantle "Alt Right"?

[Mister D]

O! the ironies!!


So they were not against blacks, gays, females, etc, but against a certain type of politics.

It's not his politics. Khan acknowledges the biological utility of the race concept and he is quoted by "white nationalists". Worse still, his comments about IQ are most troubling.

[nathanbforrest45]

And Ben Shapiro is Jewish and wheres a Yammaka.

Right here

[Chris]

It's not his politics. Khan acknowledges the biological utility of the race concept and he is quoted by "white nationalists". Worse still, his comments about IQ are most troubling.

OK, the left is against those aspects of science. It's like the dude got fired from Google for writing a manifesto on biological differences between the sexes.

[Mister D]

OK, the left is against those aspects of science. It's like the dude got fired from Google for writing a manifesto on biological differences between the sexes.
Well, I suppose it's not just his views. He also speaks to people the left doesn't like. Perhaps that is his greatest sin. The funny thing is I used to eyeball his blog Gene Expression from time to time when I used to debate "race" on these forums. Khan doesn't like white nationalists.

[Chris]

Well, I suppose it's not just his views. He also speaks to people the left doesn't like. Perhaps that is his greatest sin. The funny thing is I used to eyeball his blog Gene Expression from time to time when I used to debate "race" on these forums. Khan doesn't like white nationalists.

He's just a target. Like many of us are when we're called racists and Nazis because we blame both the alt-right and the alt-left for Charlottesville, Boston, etc.

It doesn't have to make sense if it rallies the troops.

[Green Arrow]

We live in the age of Orwell's "Newspeak." Words are regularly twisted and redefined until they are utterly meaningless. And it is not unique to one side.

[Mister D]

We live in the age of Orwell's "Newspeak." Words are regularly twisted and redefined until they are utterly meaningless. And it is not unique to one side.
True but I think it's an older phenomenon. Fascism, for example, became meaningless long before I was born.

[Mark III]

People have twisted the original meaning of the "alt-right" so much that any discussion of it is meaningless, yet here I am attempting a discussion of it.

About a year and a half ago, I read this this (http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/) and found that I readily agreed with the alt-right. It is a long read and probably no one will read it.

Now I think anyone on here would probably consider me as leaning right, but not extremely so. So, if I can agree with the original meaning of "alt-right", then most anyone else should be able to (except for leftist types).

I cringe nowadays when I read or hear about the "alt-right", as what the alt-right means today is not what it meant before President Trump was elected.

If the link I provided is not an accurate description of the alt-right, someone please define it more accurately.

The person who created the term (about his movement) "alt-right" is Richard Spencer , a white nationalist leader.

[Mister D]

He's just a target. Like many of us are when we're called racists and Nazis because we blame both the alt-right and the alt-left for Charlottesville, Boston, etc.

It doesn't have to make sense if it rallies the troops.
Yeah, it's kind of like that. Khan says A but some white nationalists also say A so the logical connection between Khan and white nationalism is thus established. It seems to me that unless you denounce everything white nationalists say or do you;re one of them.

[Mark III]

Isn't Richard Spencer the one who is credited with creating the mantle "Alt Right"?

Don't make too much sense or your friends here will ignore you.

[Captain Obvious]

We live in the age of Orwell's "Newspeak." Words are regularly twisted and redefined until they are utterly meaningless. And it is not unique to one side.

/thread

Both ends of the spectrum also are great at parroting dog whistle memes.

Intellectual laziness.

[resister]

Don't make too much sense or your friends here will ignore you.
You both said that, will either one of you post a verified link or is it just a CNN talking point?

[Captain Obvious]

Don't make too much sense or your friends here will ignore you.

Mark, you're a bitter little pissant

[Chris]

The person who created the term (about his movement) "alt-right" is Richard Spencer , a white nationalist leader.


Wrong. Gong! Spencer owned for a short time a web domain name alternativeright. That's all. No relation to the alt-right of Milo and others. But this is the start of the left's twist.

[Chris]

True but I think it's an older phenomenon. Fascism, for example, became meaningless long before I was born.

The Communists were the good guys during WWII and the bad guys during the Cold War. That's the theme of 1984, how the Ministry of Truth keeps changing the truth.

[Mark III]

You both said that, will either one of you post a verified link or is it just a CNN talking point?

Are you particularly lazy, or run of the mill?

I dont say things that I dont have a link for, or could find one in 5 seconds



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[ripmeister]

Are you particularly lazy, or run of the mill?

I dont say things that I dont have a link for, or could find one in 5 seconds



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Ouch! Chris?

[Green Arrow]

True but I think it's an older phenomenon. Fascism, for example, became meaningless long before I was born.

Oh, it's always happened to some extent, I'm just saying the extent to which it's happening now is somewhat unprecedented.

[Chris]

Are you particularly lazy, or run of the mill?

I dont say things that I dont have a link for, or could find one in 5 seconds



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Do you even read what you post?

"Spencer and others have said that he created the term "alt-right"" -- have said that, but he didn't claim that until after the term became popular.

"AlternativeRight.com" is the domain name I siad he started with. To claim a connection there would be the same as saying the even earlier Nouvelle Droite is the origin of the alt-right.

[Chris]

Ouch! Chris?

Ouch what?

[ripmeister]

Ouch what?
Post# 22. Its really not that important though. Just having some fun. I love it when people start out their posts with "wrong". Its so definitive.

[ripmeister]

You both said that, will either one of you post a verified link or is it just a CNN talking point?
Here's another one for you and Chris.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Alt-right

"The term originated with Richard Spencer (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Richard_Spencer)'s white nationalist (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/White_nationalist) magazine/blog Alternative Right (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Alternative_Right), nicknamed "AltRight". "

[Chris]

Post# 22. Its really not that important though. Just having some fun. I love it when people start out their posts with "wrong". Its so definitive.

See my reply to Mark. Not even his source says supports what he says.

[ripmeister]

See my reply to Mark. Not even his source says supports what he says.
Ok. Like I said, not really that important.

[resister]

Here's another one for you and Chris.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Alt-right

"The term originated with Richard Spencer (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Richard_Spencer)'s white nationalist (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/White_nationalist) magazine/blog Alternative Right (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Alternative_Right), nicknamed "AltRight". "
Liberals tell me that wiki is not a good source when I use it, but for them? A-ok:rollseyes:

[Chris]

Here's another one for you and Chris.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Alt-right

"The term originated with Richard Spencer (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Richard_Spencer)'s white nationalist (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/White_nationalist) magazine/blog Alternative Right (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Alternative_Right), nicknamed "AltRight". "

That says Spencer has a magazine call AlternativeRight, Mark's source says a domain name. Neither is the source of alt-right that emerged from the trolling of Milo and others.

[Chris]

Ok. Like I said, not really that important.

Precisely. The claim is association based on a name, guilt by association.

BTW, Spencer is a socialist:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGhXo_a5NAM

[ripmeister]

Liberals tell me that wiki is not a good source when I use it, but for them? A-ok:rollseyes:
I've never said that. I wouldn't use it as my only source though.

[Chris]

I've never said that. I wouldn't use it as my only source though.

Precisely, it's a place to start.

[ripmeister]

Precisely. The claim is association based on a name, guilt by association.

BTW, Spencer is a socialist:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGhXo_a5NAM

If you say so.

[Kalkin]

People have twisted the original meaning of the "alt-right" so much that any discussion of it is meaningless, yet here I am attempting a discussion of it.

About a year and a half ago, I read this this (http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/) and found that I readily agreed with the alt-right. It is a long read and probably no one will read it.

Now I think anyone on here would probably consider me as leaning right, but not extremely so. So, if I can agree with the original meaning of "alt-right", then most anyone else should be able to (except for leftist types).

I cringe nowadays when I read or hear about the "alt-right", as what the alt-right means today is not what it meant before President Trump was elected.

If the link I provided is not an accurate description of the alt-right, someone please define it more accurately.

It's really just an alternative to the establishment republicans. The left has tried its best to villainize it because they can't get their agenda passed without lies and deception.

[ripmeister]

It's really just an alternative to the establishment republicans. The left has tried its best to villainize it because they can't get their agenda passed without lies and deception.
Just an alternative to the establishment Republicans? LOL! Unless you are being purposefully obtuse you need to educate yourself.

[Chris]

If you say so.

He says so. Listen to him.

[Kalkin]

Just an alternative to the establishment Republicans?
Yep.

LOL! Unless you are being purposefully obtuse you need to educate yourself.
Unlike many, my education didn't include a liberal indoctrination and allows me to use logic. Sorry yours was the alt-education. ;)

[Chris]

Just an alternative to the establishment Republicans? LOL! Unless you are being purposefully obtuse you need to educate yourself.

If we take alt-right as the Milos and others who troll(ed) socila justice warriors, then they are a sort of alternative to the establishment. This because especially true when they threw in their support for Trump.

If we take alt-right as the left has redefined it then they are not alternatives but extremists who were long ago rejected, marginalized and ostracised from the conservative movement.

But the left needs someone to hate, even if they're insignificant to the right.

[Kalkin]

al·ter·na·tive
ôlˈtərnədiv/
adjective


1.
(of one or more things) available as another possibility.
"the various alternative methods for resolving disputes"


synonyms:
different, other, another, second, possible, substitute, replacement, alternate; More

[Adelaide]

Mark, you're a bitter little pissant

Do not insult other members.

[Mister D]

If we take alt-right as the Milos and others who troll(ed) socila justice warriors, then they are a sort of alternative to the establishment. This because especially true when they threw in their support for Trump.

If we take alt-right as the left has redefined it then they are not alternatives but extremists who were long ago rejected, marginalized and ostracised from the conservative movement.

But the left needs someone to hate, even if they're insignificant to the right.

Progressives are all over the place with this. I read an article the other day that connected Alain de Benoist to Trump's supporters.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/the-french-ideologues-who-inspired-the-alt-right


Reached at his home in Paris this week, he laughed and then started coughing when asked if he ever envisioned that the ideas contained in his more than 100 books—such as Manifesto for a European Renaissance or On Being a Pagan—and his more than 2,000 articles could ever be linked with the real-estate developer soon to occupy the White House and his consigliere, Steve Bannon (http://www.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2016/11/13/trump-s-man-stephen-bannon-flirts-with-a-le-pen.html), the former chairman of Breitbart News.
“Monsieur Trump?” said Benoist. “I know him only by reputation. Monsieur Bannon, non. I know nothing of their milieu and I find it hard to believe they know much about mine.”

[Mister D]

Oh, it's always happened to some extent, I'm just saying the extent to which it's happening now is somewhat unprecedented.
Agreed but I would qualify that remark by saying the public is complicit in this in so far as they are intellectually lazy. Then again, the more you know the less coherent the world appears. The world is so big now we need it broken down and interpreted for us.

[Chris]

Progressives are all over the place with this. I read an article the other day that connected Alain de Benoist to Trump's supporters.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/the-french-ideologues-who-inspired-the-alt-right

"he laughed and then started coughing"

[Chris]

Agreed but I would qualify that remark by saying the public is complicit in this in so far as they are intellectually lazy. Then again, the more you know the less coherent the world appears. The world is so big now we need it broken down and interpreted for us.

iow, tmi

[Mister D]

iow, tmi
Exactly.

[Green Arrow]

Agreed but I would qualify that remark by saying the public is complicit in this in so far as they are intellectually lazy. Then again, the more you know the less coherent the world appears. The world is so big now we need it broken down and interpreted for us.
I agree 100%.

[nathanbforrest45]

Yeah, it's kind of like that. Khan says A but some white nationalists also say A so the logical connection between Khan and white nationalism is thus established. It seems to me that unless you denounce everything white nationalists say or do you;re one of them.

Interestingly I heard a call on local talk radio this am. The caller said much the same. That if you agree with one part of a sides agenda then the perception is you agree with all of them. For example, if you are anti abortion that automatically means you are also anti gay, anti women' rights, anti gun control and vote Republican always. That is not always true. I am anti abortion but I am not anti gay or anti woman. I am a member of the NRA and have a concealed carry permit. I do not believe that being black automatically means you are on welfare and hate white people. I am ambivalent about the death penalty.

I am sure most of us have more things we agree with than disagree with

[IMPress Polly]

As I recently said on another thread, personally, when I think of the term "alt-right", I think of a political movement that revolves around either nativism or less ambiguous racism more than around privatization of the economy; that being the essential distinction between the alt-right (forces like Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller, and even Donald Trump himself to a considerable degree) and the neoconservatives (like Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush, or Paul Ryan) in my observation.

White nationalist groups form the most extreme branch of the movement in this country, but whatever majority ethnicity is relevant to a given country can apply. (For example, South Korea also has a thriving alt-right movement of its own and it too is very, very racist.) I also observe the alt-right to possess a strongly male supremacist undercurrent to a measure that most political tendencies do not.

[Mister D]

As I recently said on another thread, personally, when I think of the term "alt-right", I think of a political movement that revolves around either nativism or less ambiguous racism more than around privatization of the economy; that being the essential distinction between the alt-right (forces like Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller, and even Donald Trump himself to a considerable degree) and the neoconservatives (like Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush, or Paul Ryan) in my observation. I also observe the alt-right to possess a strongly male supremacist undercurrent to a measure that most political tendencies do not.
Ironically, this "alt right" has more in common with the traditional left than you do. And male supremacy (what?) is marginal. Marginal as in no one here had ever heard of it until you brought it up.

[Mister D]

Interestingly I heard a call on local talk radio this am. The caller said much the same. That if you agree with one part of a sides agenda then the perception is you agree with all of them. For example, if you are anti abortion that automatically means you are also anti gay, anti women' rights, anti gun control and vote Republican always. That is not always true. I am anti abortion but I am not anti gay or anti woman. I am a member of the NRA and have a concealed carry permit. I do not believe that being black automatically means you are on welfare and hate white people. I am ambivalent about the death penalty.

I am sure most of us have more things we agree with than disagree with
Sadly, there are a lot of people who do in fact adopt a broad range of perspectives simply because "their party" does or because "conservatives" or "liberals" tend to one side or another of a given issue.

[Chris]

As I recently said on another thread, personally, when I think of the term "alt-right", I think of a political movement that revolves around either nativism or less ambiguous racism more than around privatization of the economy; that being the essential distinction between the alt-right (forces like Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller, and even Donald Trump himself to a considerable degree) and the neoconservatives (like Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush, or Paul Ryan) in my observation. White nationalist groups form the most extreme branch of the movement in this country. I also observe the alt-right to possess a strongly male supremacist undercurrent to a measure that most political tendencies do not.

Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller, and even Donald Trump are not alt-right. Bannon owned Breitbart which served as a platform for the alt-right like Milo Yiannopoulos and others.

Bush might be considered a neocon, he sort of fell for their interventionist policies. But Reagan, LOL. Neocons were ex-commies, Reagan anti-commie. And Paul Ryan, hmm, meaning he's as war-mongerish as Hillary?

The alt-right trolled and mocked feminists, but I don't see that as being male supremcists. Milo is after all gay.

[Chris]

Ironically, this "alt right" has more in common with the traditional left than you do. And male supremacy (what?) is marginal. Marginal as in no one here had ever heard of it until you brought it up.

There's some loner male supremacist type blogger who's whacky and doesn't even rate marginal. I mean, wth, you can find these people if you look hard enough but nobody's heard of them.

[Mister D]

Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller, and even Donald Trump are not alt-right. Bannon owned Breitbart which served as a platform for the alt-right like Milo Yiannopoulos and others.

Bush might be considered a neocon, he sort of fell for their interventionist policies. But Reagan, LOL. Neocons were ex-commies, Reagain anti-commie. And Paul Ryan, hmm, meaning he's as war-mongerish as Hillary?

The alt-right trolled and mocked feminists, but I don't see that as being male supremcists. Milo is after all gay.
The gay nativist white supremacist Jew is supported by the Bangladeshi white supremacist Razib Khan. Who could possibly complete that triumvirate? Clayton Bigsby? lol

[Mister D]

There's some loner male supremacist type blogger who's whacky and doesn't even rate marginal. I mean, wth, you can find these people if you look hard enough but nobody's heard of them.
Frankly, the whole idea is kind of feminine. What kind of man would get so into that? It seems bitchy

[Chris]

The gay nativist white supremacist Jew is supported by the Bangladeshi white supremacist Razib Khan. Who could possibly complete that triumvirate? Clayton Bigsby? lol

Or Charles Barkley the Black White Supremacist!!

[IMPress Polly]

Chris wrote:
The alt-right trolled and mocked feminists, but I don't see that as being male supremcists. Milo is after all gay.

Being gay hardly precludes being a misogynist. For example, what do you think drag is, flattery?

I observe that a large percentage of the alt-right got their start in politics via "men's rights" activism and that the MRA/PUA groups all seem to consider themselves part of the alt-right movement.

[Mister D]

Funny you mention that. Every gay man I've ever met either acted like a woman or hated women. Milo is a total flamer.

[Perianne]

Funny you mention that. Every gay man I've ever met either acted like a woman or hated women. Milo is a total flamer.
Milo makes fun of lesbians.

[Ransom]

Being gay hardly precludes being a misogynist. For example, what do you think drag is, flattery?

I observe that a large percentage of the alt-right got their start in politics via "men's rights" activism and that the MRA/PUA groups all seem to consider themselves part of the alt-right movement.

your vagina hat is crooked. And so was your candidate. You lost, get over it.

[Chris]

Being gay hardly precludes being a misogynist. For example, what do you think drag is, flattery?

I observe that a large percentage of the alt-right got their start in politics via "men's rights" activism and that the MRA/PUA groups all seem to consider themselves part of the alt-right movement.


You completely ignore that trolling and mocking feminists does not make anyone a misogynist. It's a form of criticising social justice warriors.

You observe? Where? Facts, please.


(And, polly, please use the Reply with Quote button, that way when you remove 90% of what I posted, others get a link back to the entire post in context. The way I quote you has such a link.)

[Mister D]

Americans just seem to refuse any complexity in their politics. These arguments over the "alt-right" demonstrate that. If there is any commonality among all of these disparate groups/people/philosophies it's a general anti-liberal and anti-modern sentiment.

[Mini Me]

That article distinguishes the alt-right from skinheads etc and that is correct. Originally the alt-right was people like Milo Yiannopoulos and Razib Khan, both mentioned in the article. Their purpose was largely to trigger feminists, gays, and other social justice warriors. The liberal media however twisted into identification with skinheads, neo_Nazis, etc.

So its a creation of Notsobreitbart?The channell for RWNJ's.

[Mister D]

The only coherent and therefore serious conception of an alternative right is a loosely knit (sometimes very loosely) collection of people or groups that share an anti-liberal (as in anti-market order) or anti-modern politics.

That's it. Please take note.

[Devil'sAdvocate]

I heard the term "alt-right" originated with a website created by Richard Spenser "AlternativeRight.com". Beyond that, I don't care too much.

[Chris]

I heard the term "alt-right" originated with a website created by Richard Spenser "AlternativeRight.com". Beyond that, I don't care too much.

No connection with the alt-right. Spencer is a racists and a socialist to boot.