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Taxcutter
11-18-2012, 02:03 PM
Hussein Obama’s overbearing EPA deniesgasohol waivers.
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121117/AUTO01/211170359/EPA-rejects-bid-to-relax-ethanol-mandate (http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121117/AUTO01/211170359/EPA-rejects-bid-to-relax-ethanol-mandate)
Food will get more expensive and gasolinewith 15% denatured alcohol will start attacking the seals in existing cars.
If it were really about clean air, theEPA would make it less expensive to convert cars to CNG. But itisn’t. It’s all about arrogant environmental extremistsbullying the people around – all with the connivance of Hussein Obama.
Trinnity
11-18-2012, 03:59 PM
This is serious. How much did your car cost? Your truck? Got farm equipment; a tractor or a harvester? Got a backhoe, a lawnmower, a riding lawnmower, a chainsaw, a weed whacker???
Higher concentrations of ethanol will fuck your shit up. It's NOT GOOD for an engine.
Why is the administration and the EPA wanting to do this to you? That's an important question. Think about it.
Peter1469
11-18-2012, 05:31 PM
My car will run off 90% ethanol according to the manual. It will likely run off 100% no problem. Ethanol runs cleaner than gas.
Trinnity
11-18-2012, 06:26 PM
A master mechanic I know very well and he says it's bad for the engines of older cars. It dries out the gaskets and O rings in the fuel system. If you can't afford to buy a new or newer car, you're screwed. Which class of people does that fall on? You guessed it, the middle class. It's a scheme. People, open your eyes.
Counting on getting by with an older car that's paid for - in tough times? Ha!
ptif219
11-18-2012, 06:54 PM
My car will run off 90% ethanol according to the manual. It will likely run off 100% no problem. Ethanol runs cleaner than gas.
Ethanol is bad for engines. I have gained over 3 miles to the gallon running ethanol free gas in 2000 GMC Sierra
I also use ethanol free in my 2011 Harley
Taxcutter
11-18-2012, 06:56 PM
Sock away about 2 grand for new rubber goods in cars and other gas-powered machinery.
Denatured alcohol has alower heating value than gasoline. Heat is what turns the wheels. Pereversely gasohol costs more at the pump than straight RUG.
Another hidden Obama-tax.
Peter1469
11-18-2012, 07:03 PM
A master mechanic I know very well and he says it's bad for the engines of older cars. It dries out the gaskets and O rings in the fuel system. If you can't afford to buy a new or newer car, you're screwed. Which class of people does that fall on? You guessed it, the middle class. It's a scheme. People, open your eyes.
Counting on getting by with an older car that's paid for - in tough times? Ha!
I agree it is bad for older cars- without kits to fix them up. Older car engines were made with only gasoline in mind.
Peter1469
11-18-2012, 07:06 PM
Ethanol is bad for engines. I have gained over 3 miles to the gallon running ethanol free gas in 2000 GMC Sierra
I also use ethanol free in my 2011 Harley
Gas mileage is a separate issue from bad for an engine. Yes, you get less mileage per gallon with alcohol fuel, but when you consider the cost, it is still much cheaper to run alcohol. Alcohol is cleaner to burn.
With my car I would get 30mph with pure gas. I get 28.9 with E10 gas.
Taxcutter
11-18-2012, 07:13 PM
Spark-ignition engines run cleaner on CNG than of E10 or E-15 gasohol.
Peter1469
11-18-2012, 07:30 PM
Natural gas is very clean. Does it not have to be pressurized, which limits the shape of the tank?
ptif219
11-18-2012, 10:48 PM
Gas mileage is a separate issue from bad for an engine. Yes, you get less mileage per gallon with alcohol fuel, but when you consider the cost, it is still much cheaper to run alcohol. Alcohol is cleaner to burn.
With my car I would get 30mph with pure gas. I get 28.9 with E10 gas.
Actually I am more concerned with the government control and the fact they ignore the other things like the price of food costs higher because of this.
I refuse to use ethanol just because the Obama administration refuses to use the many other sources that would be more efficient. this is more about control and politics than about the environment.
obama could have done away with the corn mandate last summer and he refused
ptif219
11-18-2012, 10:49 PM
Natural gas is very clean. Does it not have to be pressurized, which limits the shape of the tank?
Some truck stops now sell liquified natural gas for vehicles
Peter1469
11-19-2012, 06:03 PM
Actually I am more concerned with the government control and the fact they ignore the other things like the price of food costs higher because of this.
I refuse to use ethanol just because the Obama administration refuses to use the many other sources that would be more efficient. this is more about control and politics than about the environment.
obama could have done away with the corn mandate last summer and he refused
I think that the government should stay out of it too, other than not to allow gas companies to keep their monopoly on transportation fuel.
Peter1469
11-19-2012, 06:05 PM
Some truck stops now sell liquified natural gas for vehicles
They do. Our new buses use it.
I meant that the tanks have to be made to handle the pressure of the gas. For cars that means smaller, rectangle shapes and not the modern gas tanks that can be modeled to fill in less than straight lined extra space.
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