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Captain Obvious
10-08-2017, 12:16 AM
I wonder what similarities will be identified.

Graphs in the link, couldn't embed them.

http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/10/06/555861898/gun-violence-how-the-u-s-compares-to-other-countries


Take countries with the top indicators of socioeconomic success — income per person and average education level, for instance. The United States ranks ninth in the world among them, bested only by the likes of Luxembourg, Denmark, Norway, the Netherlands, Iceland, Andorra, Canada and Finland.
Those countries all also enjoy low rates of gun violence, but the U.S. has the 31st highest rate in the world: 3.85 deaths due to gun violence per 100,000 people in 2016. That was eight times higher than the rate in Canada, which had .48 deaths per 100,000 people — and 27 times higher than the one in Denmark, which had .14 deaths per 100,000.
The numbers comes from a massive database maintained by the University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (http://www.healthdata.org/), which tracks lives lost in every country, in every year, by every possible cause of death. The figures for 2016 were released just last month. As in previous years, the data paint a fairly rosy picture for much of the world, with deaths due to gun violence rare even in many countries that are extremely poor — such as Bangladesh and Laos, which saw .16 deaths and .13 deaths respectively per 100,000 people.
Prosperous Asian countries such as Singapore and Japan boast the absolute lowest rates, though the United Kingdom and Germany are in almost as good shape.
"It is a little surprising that a country like ours should have this level of gun violence," says Ali Mokdad (https://globalhealth.washington.edu/faculty/ali-mokdad), a professor of global health and epidemiology at the IHME. "If you compare us to other well-off countries, we really stand out."

Grokmaster
10-08-2017, 02:09 AM
Cities under long term democrat control, for starters...

Peter1469
10-08-2017, 03:26 AM
Take suicides out and see what you have.

Crepitus
10-08-2017, 08:51 AM
Easy availability of firearms is gonna equal more firearms being used.

Chris
10-08-2017, 08:57 AM
Some data:

https://i.snag.gy/USJyr5.jpg (https://snag.gy/USJyr5.jpg)

@ http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-control-myths/guns-in-other-countries/


Click on it for zoom. THe US is the left-most bar in the graph.

Adelaide
10-08-2017, 09:15 AM
Canadians have a lot of firearms per capita, but the gun laws are extremely strict. Licensing requires that you take both a course about hunting, and a class about gun safety (believe each course is 8 hours in length). You also have to pass a background check, obviously. You have to register many firearms.

Storing your firearm is regulated. If you are transporting a firearm is has to be secured in the trunk, and you have to take the shortest route to your destination (range, hunting). If you use a firearm for personal protection, be ready to face charges of using a firearm improperly/manslaughter since it usually falls under "excessive force" (different meaning in Canada).

Here is what is legal or not legal (http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/faq/index-eng.htm); restricted firearms require special licensing and prohibited firearms are always illegal:

Non-restricted firearms are ordinary rifles and shotguns, other than those referred to below.
Restricted firearms include:


handguns that are not prohibited;
semi-automatic, centre-fire rifles and shotguns with a barrel shorter than 470 mm;
rifles and shotguns that can be fired when their overall length has been reduced by folding, telescoping or other means to less than 660 mm; and
firearms restricted by Criminal Code Regulations (http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/pol-leg/code-eng.htm).

Prohibited firearms include:


handguns with a barrel length of 105 mm or less and handguns that discharge .25 or .32 calibre ammunition, except for a few specific ones used in International Shooting Union competitions;
rifles and shotguns that have been altered by sawing or other means so that their barrel length is less than 457 mm or their overall length is less than 660 mm;
full automatics;
converted automatics, namely full automatics that have been altered so that they fire only one projectile when the trigger is squeezed; and
firearms prohibited by Criminal Code Regulations (http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/pol-leg/code-eng.htm).



Both pepper spray and tasers are illegal. Bear spray is legal but can only be used on actual bears. Crossbows are generally banned, and licensing is required for those that aren't banned. In some places, it is illegal to use a bow when hunting. Depending on the weapon, you can only have X amount of cartridges.

Gun-related charges are often used on criminals to get them to plead out (they will take away firearm-related charges and keep the other charges, like robbery, for example, which reduces the sentence but not by too much). Most criminals don't seem to carry guns because they know they can be hit with up to 8 additional charges just for having a firearm. It is even worse if you have an illegal firearm, which mostly come up from the United States.

Up until maybe 2007, many rural divisions of the RCMP only carried a hand gun, until a shoot-out with a very armed person led them to have use weapons they borrowed from neighbours of the person firing on them. That sort of changed how law enforcement armed themselves if they did not already have more than one weapon. As of 2014, they still didn't have enough bullet-proof vests or high powered rifles in many RCMP divisions.

The RCMP has been known to confiscate all firearms during natural disasters, though technically it is illegal.



I agree with Canadian laws for Canadians and they generally work. The United States is not comparable. I support the Second Amendment in the United States, and generally oppose additional regulations.

Adelaide
10-08-2017, 09:18 AM
And yes, it is embarrassing when the federal/national law enforcement agency has to borrow guns from neighbours of the guy shooting at them. http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/smilies/newsmilies/facepalm.gif

Captain Obvious
10-08-2017, 12:25 PM
Some data:

https://i.snag.gy/USJyr5.jpg (https://snag.gy/USJyr5.jpg)

@ http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-control-myths/guns-in-other-countries/


Click on it for zoom. THe US is the left-most bar in the graph.

Bingo

Chris
10-08-2017, 12:28 PM
Bingo

I will start a thread on the effects of Ethnic Heterogeneity shortly.

Grokmaster
10-08-2017, 12:37 PM
Here are the stats....



Gun Violence: How The U.S. Compares With Other Countries



http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/10/06/555861898/gun-violence-how-the-u-s-compares-to-other-countries

Captain Obvious
10-08-2017, 12:40 PM
I will start a thread on the effects of Ethnic Heterogeneity shortly.

I saw it, I'll get in there in a bit, getting ready to head out.

The other factors I think were worth noting are ethnic homogeniety (I don't know how to spell that lol) included.

Grokmaster
10-08-2017, 12:44 PM
I already reported this as a dupe thread...sorry.

Adelaide
10-08-2017, 02:46 PM
Duplicate threads merged.