The end of science

[Devil'sAdvocate]

I predict that in a future, post-truth world, the Western scientific method will become a relic like the Catholic Church.

In a future, non-white dominated society, why would a racially and culturally diverse culture care about some solipsistic system of "knowledge" invented by archaic, old white men (many of whom were racists who merely used "science" to justify oppression, like the catholic church)?

We already see more diversity being manufactured via the social media revolution, and the populace no longer caring about traditional, hegemonic claims to any sort of "authority" over knowledge or truthfulness, likewise we've seen the demise of Anglo-centric power structures, such as the reduction of Britain from an Empire to an irrelevant island.

So why would an Asian or an African care whether some out of touch white male says about "science", or this or that, or a woman for that matter? Why would a self-interested woman allow some ugly, archaic system of empirical knowledge created by a bunch of nerdy white men be foisted on her when she can decide for herself what knowledge is and what it's not?

I predict in a future, post-truth world of racial diversity and more influence of women in poliltics and society at large, "science" will become nothing more than a relic, like its predecessors alchemy are today, there will be diversity in science and knowledge just like in the arts, any each group will have its own "science", decided by its own standards, not the standards of racist, white male dinosaurs like Voltaire.
...which to some extent, may be karmatic, much as the abuse of the Catholic Church in its crusades and inquisitions has likely lead to its demise in influence and respect, Western science (which heavily bastardized the Catholic Church's authority structure) will meet the same archaic fate.

[Captain Obvious]

US Politics?

[Devil'sAdvocate]

US Politics?
The diversity of the US political landscape is what I predict will play a role here.

Why would a diverse culture where whites are allegedly becoming a minority, and women are playing a greater role in politics and business, somehow manage to hold on to archaic systems created by old white men, such as the scientific method and its anglo-centricity? (There are pros and cons on either side of the predictions, for what it's worth).

Seems like those on many sides, including progressives who venerate "science" in lieu of whatever god they otherwise would have worshiped, haven't thought this out much.

[Captain Obvious]

So after scanning through this rambling I would suggest that it could be accurate but only for a segment of an overly complex society.

Pure science will always have a core segment, the bastardization of it via religion, capitalism, neoconism, politicalism, socialism will always be other sub-segments of the overall population of a whole western society.

[Captain Obvious]

The diversity of the US political landscape is what I predict will play a role here.

Why would a diverse culture where whites are allegedly becoming a minority, and women are playing a greater role in politics and business, somehow manage to hold on to archaic systems created by old white men, such as the scientific method and its anglo-centricity?

This clearly isn't a topic fit for the US Politics forum, it belongs down in the serious discussion section.

In my humble, honest and generally 100% correct opinion.

But to answer your question, I think science will thrive once it's wrestled away by capitalistic, rich white men.

[Captain Obvious]

Climate change is a great example, much of the "science" behind climate change is cherry picked bullshit propaganda designed to keep Rush Limbaugh lemmings propping up the environment raping, capitalistic rich white guy driven big oil machine.

And the lemmings march right in lockstep too.

[Devil'sAdvocate]

Climate change is a great example, much of the "science" behind climate change is cherry picked bull$#@! propaganda designed to keep Rush Limbaugh lemmings propping up the environment raping, capitalistic rich white guy driven big oil machine.

And the lemmings march right in lockstep too.
The same people who believe that global warming will bring about the end of the world would have been the ones believing that Poisdeon would destroy the world because whatever mortal he was sleeping with cheated on him if they were born in ancient Greece.

[Devil'sAdvocate]

This clearly isn't a topic fit for the US Politics forum, it belongs down in the serious discussion section.

In my humble, honest and generally 100% correct opinion.

But to answer your question, I think science will thrive once it's wrestled away by capitalistic, rich white men.
I think the attempt by some on the left to turn "science" into a religious surrogate will fail massively due to the fact that a diverse, non-white male dominated society isn't compatible with that goal.

They'll be forced either to side with archaic, white male science, or with diversity. (I think some degree of diversity is inevitable due to the cultural landscape, the attempts to turn Secular Humanism into effectively a post-French Revolution replacement for the Catholic Church are dead, however)

[Captain Obvious]

The same people who believe that global warming will bring about the end of the world would have been the ones believing that Poisdeon would destroy the world because whatever mortal he was sleeping with cheated on him if they were born in ancient Greece.

Well I try to stay off of the far fringe swings of the issue. That's how our amateur political process works, everyone runs to one end of the ship and the other far end.

I don't believe climate change will bring the end of existence but I'm not going to ignore the documented, real impact that's happening now. Do I expect any significant change in the process leading to climate change? Nope, not in this society, for all of the reasons previously stated.

But such is life on a ball of mud infested with idiots and capitalist rapists.

[Captain Obvious]

I think the attempt by some on the left to turn "science" into a religious surrogate will fail massively due to the fact that a diverse, non-white male dominated society isn't compatible with that goal.

They'll be forced either to side with archaic, white male science, or with diversity. (I think some degree of diversity is inevitable due to the cultural landscape, the attempts to turn Secular Humanism into effectively a post-French Revolution replacement for the Catholic Church are dead, however)

That's somebody elses point to comment on, it's outside of my realm of things to think about.

[Peter1469]

I think science will advance while the dipshits make things political.

[donttread]

I predict that in a future, post-truth world, the Western scientific method will become a relic like the Catholic Church.

In a future, non-white dominated society, why would a racially and culturally diverse culture care about some solipsistic system of "knowledge" invented by archaic, old white men (many of whom were racists who merely used "science" to justify oppression, like the catholic church)?

We already see more diversity being manufactured via the social media revolution, and the populace no longer caring about traditional, hegemonic claims to any sort of "authority" over knowledge or truthfulness, likewise we've seen the demise of Anglo-centric power structures, such as the reduction of Britain from an Empire to an irrelevant island.

So why would an Asian or an African care whether some out of touch white male says about "science", or this or that, or a woman for that matter? Why would a self-interested woman allow some ugly, archaic system of empirical knowledge created by a bunch of nerdy white men be foisted on her when she can decide for herself what knowledge is and what it's not?

I predict in a future, post-truth world of racial diversity and more influence of women in poliltics and society at large, "science" will become nothing more than a relic, like its predecessors alchemy are today, there will be diversity in science and knowledge just like in the arts, any each group will have its own "science", decided by its own standards, not the standards of racist, white male dinosaurs like Voltaire.
...which to some extent, may be karmatic, much as the abuse of the Catholic Church in its crusades and inquisitions has likely lead to its demise in influence and respect, Western science (which heavily bastardized the Catholic Church's authority structure) will meet the same archaic fate.

Science and nath are building blocks for any society. In fact without some understanding of both you can't even build a shed, much less a society.

[Chris]

I predict that in a future, post-truth world, the Western scientific method will become a relic like the Catholic Church.

In a future, non-white dominated society, why would a racially and culturally diverse culture care about some solipsistic system of "knowledge" invented by archaic, old white men (many of whom were racists who merely used "science" to justify oppression, like the catholic church)?

We already see more diversity being manufactured via the social media revolution, and the populace no longer caring about traditional, hegemonic claims to any sort of "authority" over knowledge or truthfulness, likewise we've seen the demise of Anglo-centric power structures, such as the reduction of Britain from an Empire to an irrelevant island.

So why would an Asian or an African care whether some out of touch white male says about "science", or this or that, or a woman for that matter? Why would a self-interested woman allow some ugly, archaic system of empirical knowledge created by a bunch of nerdy white men be foisted on her when she can decide for herself what knowledge is and what it's not?

I predict in a future, post-truth world of racial diversity and more influence of women in poliltics and society at large, "science" will become nothing more than a relic, like its predecessors alchemy are today, there will be diversity in science and knowledge just like in the arts, any each group will have its own "science", decided by its own standards, not the standards of racist, white male dinosaurs like Voltaire.
...which to some extent, may be karmatic, much as the abuse of the Catholic Church in its crusades and inquisitions has likely lead to its demise in influence and respect, Western science (which heavily bastardized the Catholic Church's authority structure) will meet the same archaic fate.




I predict that in a future, post-truth world, the Western scientific method will become a relic like the Catholic Church.

In a post-truth world, such as you occupy philosophically, how do you know your assertion is true?

[donttread]

In a post-truth world, such as you occupy philosophically, how do you know your assertion is true?

He can't. assertions would not exist. But man DA must have some good stuff!

[Mister D]

This clearly isn't a topic fit for the US Politics forum, it belongs down in the serious discussion section.

In my humble, honest and generally 100% correct opinion.

But to answer your question, I think science will thrive once it's wrestled away by capitalistic, rich white men.
The material benefits of science have been largely under the aegis of the market order (i.e. capitalism). That's just a fact.

[Captain Obvious]

The material benefits of science have been largely under the aegis of the market order (i.e. capitalism). That's just a fact.

Who argued otherwise?

[Mister D]

Who argued otherwise?
You said something about wrestling away science from capitalistic, rich white men?

[Captain Obvious]

You said something about wrestling away science from capitalistic, rich white men?

Right, which for the most part echos your comment, no?

[Mister D]

Right, which for the most part echos your comment, no?
No, it's opposed or at least it sounds like it. I'm saying science has thrived (in material terms) under the aegis of rich white capitalists. Outside our peculiar culture I don't think science would thrive or at least not in the way it has.

[Captain Obvious]

No, it's opposed or at least it sounds like it. I'm saying science has thrived (in material terms) under the aegis of rich white capitalists. Outside our peculiar culture I don't think science would thrive or at least not in the way it has.

Well yeah, and filtered and bastardized to serve agendas.

Take greed, economic and political agendas out, keep wealth in. Then you will approach pure, honest science.

Yes, hypothetical.

[Common Sense]

These are just getting more and more inane...

[Captain Obvious]

These are just getting more and more inane...

Go back to Canada if you don't like it

[Common Sense]

Go back to Canada if you don't like it

If I'm in the US, that means you're in Canada. Take off, eh!

[Captain Obvious]

If I'm in the US, that means you're in Canada. Take off, eh!

Surprised they let you in.

Where at?

[Common Sense]

Surprised they let you in.

Where at?

A small town called Inyourhead Nebraska.

[Captain Obvious]

A small town called Inyourhead Nebraska.

Thats where grassroots conservative paints sheds I think

[Common Sense]

Thats where grassroots conservative paints sheds I think

One town over, same county. Upyerass, NB.

[donttread]

Today we even have polorized "science". One wing of the donkephant has "science" to show global warming will destroy us all. The other wing sports "scientist" who report that no such thing exist.
We have trials where two forensics experts each with a laundry list of credentials tell you how the same set of facts means two completely opposite things.
In other words the biggest problem with science is that it has become buyable.
Which is why I always say " Studies show that studies show pretty much what the people funding the study want them to"