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Devil'sAdvocate
10-31-2017, 09:43 PM
Historically, the theory of evolution has had lots of negative racial connotations, and has a history of racist proponents (such as Voltaire, who equated black people with primates and believed they were at a lower stage of evolution than white people).

So why should black, Hispanic, etc children be forced to learn about evolution, given the theory's origins in a white-dominated culture where racism was more acceptable, and its history of being used to support racist and white supremacist views (e.x. modern white supremacists such as Jared Taylor still use evolution to assert the genetic superiority of whites and Anglos)?

Captain Obvious
10-31-2017, 09:56 PM
So... DA, I get what you're doing, posting this stuff up here because the main forum gets more attention, but just my advice, post it in Rants, which is a more broad forum than US Politics.

I do it too, try to post stuff up here because it seems to get more attention, nothing wrong with that.

Common Sense
10-31-2017, 10:00 PM
Lol...Voltaire? He was dead long before the theory of evolution was proposed.

The rest is equally idiotic...

Devil'sAdvocate
10-31-2017, 10:21 PM
Lol...Voltaire? He was dead long before the theory of evolution was proposed.

The rest is equally idiotic...
He was just the a precursor to what came after it, theories of evolution from animals are as old as ancient Greece, Darwin just refined them.

Common Sense
10-31-2017, 11:29 PM
Lol...

Cthulhu
10-31-2017, 11:41 PM
Historically, the theory of evolution has had lots of negative racial connotations, and has a history of racist proponents (such as Voltaire, who equated black people with primates and believed they were at a lower stage of evolution than white people).

So why should black, Hispanic, etc children be forced to learn about evolution, given the theory's origins in a white-dominated culture where racism was more acceptable, and its history of being used to support racist and white supremacist views (e.x. modern white supremacists such as Jared Taylor still use evolution to assert the genetic superiority of whites and Anglos)?I see what you've done here.

Proceed.

I look forward to it's development.

Sent from my evil cell phone.

Standing Wolf
10-31-2017, 11:47 PM
Is teaching evolution in public schools racist?

No. Next silly question.

Tahuyaman
11-01-2017, 12:19 AM
Is teaching evolution in public schools racist?
I'm positive someone can make that case. After all, some have claimed teaching proper grammar and math skills is racism. Academic achievement in general has been called racism. The Cat In The Hat had been pegged as racist as well. Why would teaching the theory of evolution be exempt from that?

Devil'sAdvocate
11-01-2017, 12:23 AM
No. Next silly question.
According to a white male, I presume?

Well, what if black or Hispanics don't want a cabal of aging white males, with a history of using science to justify racism deciding what their kids are taught - I suppose that white males should imperialistically enforce their cultural norms on them?

Devil'sAdvocate
11-01-2017, 12:24 AM
Lol...

The proposal that one type of organism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organism) could descend from another type goes back to some of the first pre-Socratic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Socratic_philosophy) Greek philosophers, such as Anaximander (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaximander#Origin_of_humankind) and Empedocles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empedocles#Cosmogony).[36] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution#cite_note-36) Such proposals survived into Roman times. The poet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poet) and philosopher (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosopher)Lucretius (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucretius) followed Empedocles in his masterwork De rerum natura (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_rerum_natura) (On the Nature of Things).[37] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution#cite_note-Carus2011-37)[38] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution#cite_note-38)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution#History_of_evolutionary_thought

Perianne
11-01-2017, 12:45 AM
Historically, the theory of evolution has had lots of negative racial connotations, and has a history of racist proponents (such as Voltaire, who equated black people with primates and believed they were at a lower stage of evolution than white people).

So why should black, Hispanic, etc children be forced to learn about evolution, given the theory's origins in a white-dominated culture where racism was more acceptable, and its history of being used to support racist and white supremacist views (e.x. modern white supremacists such as Jared Taylor still use evolution to assert the genetic superiority of whites and Anglos)?
As someone who is at the top of the evolutionary teepee, I can see how lessers would be offended.

Common Sense
11-01-2017, 12:54 AM
As someone who is at the top of the evolutionary teepee, I can see how lessers would be offended.
Wait...what?

Are you claiming that one race is superior to others?

Devil'sAdvocate
11-01-2017, 01:10 AM
Wait...what?

Are you claiming that one race is superior to others?
Well, I'm pretty sure that "equality" isn't a scientific concept, just an invented philosophical one.

So at some point, I feel that a conflict will come between those who clamor for "egalitarianism" in everything, and those who side with "science", and folks will have to pick sides, as this thread made an attempt to demonstrate).

(Myself, I find both scientist-ic and egalitarian views of the world to be myopic).

Common Sense
11-01-2017, 10:16 AM
Wait...what?

Are you claiming that one race is superior to others?
Perianne

care red to clarify?

Standing Wolf
11-01-2017, 10:22 AM
Well, what if black or Hispanics don't want a cabal of aging white males, with a history of using science to justify racism deciding what their kids are taught - I suppose that white males should imperialistically enforce their cultural norms on them?

Makes about as much sense as rejecting modern medicine because physicians used to think that illness was caused by "ill humours" that could be released by bleeding the patient, and all manner of other things that turned out to be untrue. Besides, evolutionary theory isn't a "cultural norm".

I'm mildly curious, DA...have you encountered someone actually writing or speaking about this - proposing that the teaching of evolution is racist - or is it simply another one of those extended, tortured Straw Men that you're so fond of? Since you didn't provide any citations or links in your OP, I'm going to assume that it's the latter.

Perianne
11-01-2017, 10:37 AM
As someone who is at the top of the evolutionary teepee, I can see how lessers would be offended.


@Perianne (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=762)

care red to clarify?

It is silly to think that all people are equal in all ways. The polite thing to do is to treat others as if they are equal.

Chris
11-01-2017, 10:54 AM
He was just the a precursor to what came after it, theories of evolution from animals are as old as ancient Greece, Darwin just refined them.


Odd, you claimed Voltaire was a proponent of evolutionary theory.

From post-truth to post-time?


Creation science argues evolutionary theory is racist.

Common Sense
11-01-2017, 10:55 AM
It is silly to think that all people are equal in all ways. The polite thing to do is to treat others as if they are equal.

People, or races? You're claiming to be "at the top of the evolutionary teepee".

So you're saying whites are at the top, but the polite thing is to treat the lesser evolved as if they are your equal?

Perianne
11-01-2017, 11:04 AM
People, or races? You're claiming to be "at the top of the evolutionary teepee".
So you're saying whites are at the top, but the polite thing is to treat the lesser evolved as if they are your equal?

I did not say whites are at the top. For example, I think Thomas Sowell is one of the greatest human beings who has ever lived. He also is at the top of the evolutionary teepee. I would have dinner with him and consider it an honor.

20777

Chris
11-01-2017, 11:09 AM
Evolution is not really about people, individuals, races, etc. It's about genes pools.


It's time to break out your swim trunks and floaties, because we're going for a dip in the gene pool.

Okay, so we can't really swim in a gene pool. Just pretend we can sit by its edge, under a warm summer sun, and dangle our feet in it. While we lounge and sip fruity drinks, we can talk about what's in here and what happens when someone does a cannonball into its pristine waters.

Every population of a species has a variety of genes, and each gene can have multiple alleles. All the available genetic information within a population is known as a gene pool. When life is thriving in a population and there is genetic equilibrium, then these alleles are not changing in frequency. There is no selection. There is no evolution. Everything is calm. Like the pool…before the cannonball.

Larger populations are more likely to be unaffected by a large disruption. Think of it like a larger body of water. A stone's throw won't make much of a difference in the ocean, but you'd notice it in a puddle.

When small changes occur within a population, evolution happens on a small scale. This is microevolution. Larger changes, bigger ripples in the tide pool, are known as macroevolution. The two ideas are not mutually exclusive.....

@ https://www.shmoop.com/mechanisms-evolution/gene-pool.html

Captdon
11-01-2017, 01:21 PM
According to a white male, I presume?

Well, what if black or Hispanics don't want a cabal of aging white males, with a history of using science to justify racism deciding what their kids are taught - I suppose that white males should imperialistically enforce their cultural norms on them?

Since evolutionists teach that humans started in lower Africa why would blacks be offended?

I certainly don't want a minority of people making any decisions.

You're funny.

Chris
11-01-2017, 01:27 PM
Since evolutionists teach that humans started in lower Africa why would blacks be offended?

I certainly don't want a minority of people making any decisions.

You're funny.


Aha! Because Africans back then were not black! Color came along evolutionarily later.

But I recently read not all native Africans are black.