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Bethere
11-06-2017, 10:37 AM
It may be the onion but this is true.

https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1820163660/amp

SUTHERLAND SPRINGS, TX—In the hours following a violent rampage in Texas in which a lone attacker killed 27 individuals and seriously injured several others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Sunday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said Kansas resident Britt Mulvanos, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this individual from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what they really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past eight years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.”

resister
11-06-2017, 10:39 AM
Gun bans, right? What about truck attacks?

Peter1469
11-06-2017, 10:47 AM
France had more gun deaths in I think 2014, than the US for several years together. And the French don't have the right to defend themselves

Bethere
11-06-2017, 10:48 AM
20888

Bethere
11-06-2017, 10:53 AM
France had more gun deaths in I think 2014, than the US for several years together. And the French don't have the right to defend themselves

20889

I suspect that the 130 deaths at Bataclan skewed the numbers for the one year.

Bethere
11-06-2017, 10:55 AM
Gun bans, right? What about truck attacks?

Some are not allowed to own guns. Some are not allowed to drive trucks. Others are not allowed to do either.

Slowly, progress is made.

stjames1_53
11-06-2017, 11:00 AM
It may be the onion but this is true.

https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1820163660/amp

SUTHERLAND SPRINGS, TX—In the hours following a violent rampage in Texas in which a lone attacker killed 27 individuals and seriously injured several others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Sunday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said Kansas resident Britt Mulvanos, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this individual from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what they really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past eight years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.”


you live close enough to come get mine.

Bethere
11-06-2017, 11:03 AM
you live close enough to come get mine.

When the time comes 99 % of the people like you will stack your guns up neatly. The others will join david koresh in the nra hall of fame.

resister
11-06-2017, 11:05 AM
When the time comes 99 % of the people like you will stack your guns up neatly. The others will join david koresh in the nra hall of fame.
You should set an example and turn yours in to the police, for destruction.

The Xl
11-06-2017, 11:12 AM
The only way you can "do something about it" is by confiscating all guns. Not happening.

The Xl
11-06-2017, 11:13 AM
When the time comes 99 % of the people like you will stack your guns up neatly. The others will join david koresh in the nra hall of fame.

Your wet dream isn't going to come true. Best start coping with that reality now.

stjames1_53
11-06-2017, 11:14 AM
When the time comes 99 % of the people like you will stack your guns up neatly. The others will join david koresh in the nra hall of fame.
nope............and I'm not a member of the NRA, either

Bethere
11-06-2017, 11:16 AM
The only way you can "do something about it" is by confiscating all guns. Not happening.
Then these events will just keep happening. There is no other solution. It's all part of the American experience.

Don't bitch about it.

stjames1_53
11-06-2017, 11:16 AM
You should set an example and turn yours in to the police, for destruction.

he wont allow a squirt gun in his house.....................he's afraid of guns, any gun

Bethere
11-06-2017, 11:16 AM
nope............and I'm not a member of the NRA, either

I didn't say you were.

stjames1_53
11-06-2017, 11:16 AM
Then these events will just keep happening. There is no other solution. It's all part of the American experience.

Don't $#@! about it.
we need to arm everyone.

Bethere
11-06-2017, 11:17 AM
he wont allow a squirt gun in his house.....................he's afraid of guns, any gun

I am a nra member. Lol. One day we will vote it into oblivion from the inside. That's the plan, and there are more of us than you think there are.

And if you aren't afraid of guns you shouldn't be allowed to buy one.

stjames1_53
11-06-2017, 11:18 AM
I didn't say you were.
you are all talk. I am sorely relieved that you don't walk the walk. You would not get far

stjames1_53
11-06-2017, 11:19 AM
I am a nra member. Lol. One day we will vote it into oblivion from the inside. That's the plan, and there are more of us than you think there are.

that day will not come in your lifetime.

Bethere
11-06-2017, 11:20 AM
that day will not come in your lifetime.

Don't hijack my thread. It's not about me.

Bethere
11-06-2017, 11:21 AM
It may be the onion but this is true.

https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1820163660/amp

SUTHERLAND SPRINGS, TX—In the hours following a violent rampage in Texas in which a lone attacker killed 27 individuals and seriously injured several others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Sunday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said Kansas resident Britt Mulvanos, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this individual from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what they really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past eight years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.”

suds00
11-06-2017, 11:33 AM
how many parishoners were armed?

stjames1_53
11-06-2017, 11:34 AM
I am a nra member. Lol. One day we will vote it into oblivion from the inside. That's the plan, and there are more of us than you think there are.

And if you aren't afraid of guns you shouldn't be allowed to buy one.

I have the utmost respect for a gun. Fear makes you do stupid sh!t. Knowledge is the key, wouldn't you agree?

stjames1_53
11-06-2017, 11:34 AM
how many parishoners were armed?

you tell us............

stjames1_53
11-06-2017, 11:36 AM
Don't hijack my thread. It's not about me.

don't worry. It's never about you. You'll derail this thread all by yourself

Kacper
11-06-2017, 12:13 PM
It may be the onion but this is true.

https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1820163660/amp

SUTHERLAND SPRINGS, TX—In the hours following a violent rampage in Texas in which a lone attacker killed 27 individuals and seriously injured several others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Sunday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said Kansas resident Britt Mulvanos, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this individual from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what they really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past eight years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.”

Our church locks its door during service which is why I don't go but once a year. They force you to sit there until the minister makes his way to the door to greet you as you leave. I hate that. I am ready to run as soon as that last amen sounds.

Cannons Front
11-06-2017, 12:22 PM
20888

https://caffeinatedthoughts.com/2016/06/no-mass-shootings-the-myth-of-australia-gun-control-policy/
Your picture is a lie "No Mass Shootings: The Myth of Australia’s Gun Control Policy"

Cannons Front
11-06-2017, 12:30 PM
20889
I suspect that the 130 deaths at Bataclan skewed the numbers for the one year.

I suspect if we eliminate the gang shootings that qualify, our numbers are far less.
I also suspect that there number of terror attacks is greater lets look at how many have been killed and wounded since 2002 there........


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Minsk Metro bombing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Minsk_Metro_bombing)
15 killed, 204 injured[57] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe#cite_note-2011_Minsk_Metro_bombing-57)
Dzimitry Kanavalau and Vlad Kavalyou


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Norway attacks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks)
77 killed, 319 injured[58] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe#cite_note-2011_Norway_attacks-58)
Anders Behring Breivik (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik)


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20 killed (inc. 3 perps. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetrator)), 22 injured[59] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe#cite_note-59)
Saïd and Chérif Kouachi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting#Assailants)
Amedy Coulibaly (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amedy_Coulibaly)


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Kumanovo clashes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumanovo_clashes)
22 killed (inc. 14 perps. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetrator)), 37 injured[60] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe#cite_note-60)
National Liberation Army (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Liberation_Army_(Albanians_of_Macedonia))


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November 2015 Paris attacks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks)
137 killed (inc. 7 perps. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetrator)), 368 injured[61] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe#cite_note-61)
Islamic State (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant)


000000002016-03-22-000022 Mar 2016
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Brussels bombings (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Brussels_bombings)
35 killed (inc. 3 perps. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetrator)), 340 injured[62] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe#cite_note-2016_Brussels_bombings-62)
Islamic State (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant)


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Nice truck attack (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_attack)
87 killed (inc. 1 perp. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetrator)), 434 injured[63] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe#cite_note-Nice_attack-63)
Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Lahouaiej-Bouhlel)


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Berlin Christmas market attack (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Berlin_attack)
12 killed, 56 injured[64] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe#cite_note-2016_Berlin_attack-64)
Anis Amri (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Berlin_attack#Anis_Amri)


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Manchester Arena bombing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Manchester_Arena_bombing)
23 killed (inc. 1 perp. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetrator)), 250 injured[65] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe#cite_note-250Injured-65)
Salman Ramadan Abedi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salman_Ramadan_Abedi)


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June 2017 London Bridge attack (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_2017_London_Bridge_attack)
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Khuram Shazad Butt[67] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe#cite_note-67)
Rachid Redouane[68] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe#cite_note-68)
Youssef Zaghba[69] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe#cite_note-bbc985-69)


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24 killed (inc. 8 perps. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetrator)), 152 injured[70] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe#cite_note-70)[71] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe#cite_note-71)

Grokmaster
11-06-2017, 02:02 PM
It may be the onion but this is true.

https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1820163660/amp

SUTHERLAND SPRINGS, TX—In the hours following a violent rampage in Texas in which a lone attacker killed 27 individuals and seriously injured several others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Sunday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said Kansas resident Britt Mulvanos, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this individual from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what they really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past eight years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.”

The leftists got their "marching orders", obviously: "Hurry up and exploit the tragedy to push the never-ending Disarm Americans Agenda. Ignore/downplay/disparage/deny the FACT that a law-abiding, armed citizen ENDED the attack by confronting and firing upon the shooter, causing him to drop hi weapon and flee the church..."


Same old bullcrap, different day.

Refugee
11-06-2017, 05:00 PM
Is it the fault of legal gun ownership that these things happen, or the fault of that particular society? Remember, massacres on the current scale weren’t taking place even twenty years ago. Does it matter if you’re killed by a plane flying into a building, a bomb, or a truck? Banning guns doesn’t solve the problem, it just prevents one particular method of slaughter and if you ban guns, you only ban those legally held, so it’s an impossibility to stop these massacres, or terrorism. The focus should be why this phenomena is happening in the US, not the methods used.

donttread
11-06-2017, 06:09 PM
It may be the onion but this is true.

https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1820163660/amp

SUTHERLAND SPRINGS, TX—In the hours following a violent rampage in Texas in which a lone attacker killed 27 individuals and seriously injured several others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Sunday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said Kansas resident Britt Mulvanos, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this individual from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what they really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past eight years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.”

Only country? LOL. Would you prefer to live in one where the government was murdering the citizens?

Bethere
11-06-2017, 07:45 PM
Only country? LOL. Would you prefer to live in one where the government was murdering the citizens?
I believe that you are hoisting a false dilemma on your tPF friends.

JMHO.

suds00
11-06-2017, 08:00 PM
the nra says if everyone is carrying this wouldn't happen.how many parishioners in texas were armed.if the nra is right they could have stopped the killier.isn't texas gun country?

resister
11-06-2017, 08:21 PM
the nra says if everyone is carrying this wouldn't happen.how many parishioners in texas were armed.if the nra is right they could have stopped the killier.isn't texas gun country?
How many church goers, are you assuming, were armed? If any were armed, you can bet your ass, the outcome would of been different.

Mister D
11-06-2017, 08:58 PM
I suspect if we eliminate the gang shootings that qualify, our numbers are far less.
I also suspect that there number of terror attacks is greater lets look at how many have been killed and wounded since 2002 there........


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Anders Behring Breivik (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik)


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Saïd and Chérif Kouachi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting#Assailants)
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Kumanovo clashes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumanovo_clashes)
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National Liberation Army (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Liberation_Army_(Albanians_of_Macedonia))


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November 2015 Paris attacks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks)
137 killed (inc. 7 perps. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetrator)), 368 injured[61] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe#cite_note-61)
Islamic State (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant)


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Islamic State (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant)


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Nice truck attack (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_attack)
87 killed (inc. 1 perp. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetrator)), 434 injured[63] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe#cite_note-Nice_attack-63)
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Berlin Christmas market attack (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Berlin_attack)
12 killed, 56 injured[64] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe#cite_note-2016_Berlin_attack-64)
Anis Amri (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Berlin_attack#Anis_Amri)


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Manchester Arena bombing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Manchester_Arena_bombing)
23 killed (inc. 1 perp. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetrator)), 250 injured[65] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe#cite_note-250Injured-65)
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June 2017 London Bridge attack (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_2017_London_Bridge_attack)
11 killed (inc. 3 perps. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetrator)), 48 injured[66] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe#cite_note-June_2017_London_attack-66)
Khuram Shazad Butt[67] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe#cite_note-67)
Rachid Redouane[68] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe#cite_note-68)
Youssef Zaghba[69] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe#cite_note-bbc985-69)


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2017 Barcelona attacks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Barcelona_attacks)
24 killed (inc. 8 perps. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetrator)), 152 injured[70] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe#cite_note-70)[71] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe#cite_note-71)





Good point. It's a fact that most of our gun violence occurs in communities of color. Absent those numbers the rate of gun violence in the US drops much closer to a western European level.

Ethereal
11-06-2017, 10:48 PM
When the time comes 99 % of the people like you will stack your guns up neatly. The others will join david koresh in the nra hall of fame.
Although the time will never actually come, part of me hopes that it does. I would love the opportunity to teach you and other would-be tyrants a lesson, and so would many other true Americans.

Ethereal
11-06-2017, 10:50 PM
The only way you can "do something about it" is by confiscating all guns. Not happening.
The would-be tyrants in Connecticut couldn't even get gun owners to register their firearms. Any attempt to confiscate firearms would end in disaster.

Ethereal
11-06-2017, 10:52 PM
Your wet dream isn't going to come true. Best start coping with that reality now.
True enough, but you have to admit there is a small part of you that wants it to happen just so that people like Bethere can receive their comeuppance.

Grokmaster
11-06-2017, 10:53 PM
Only country? LOL. Would you prefer to live in one where the government was murdering the citizens?
All leftists would.

Ethereal
11-06-2017, 10:55 PM
There is no other solution.

Actually, there are a number of possible solutions. But like most Democrats, you simply lack the ability to conceive of any solution that doesn't involve big government.


Don't $#@! about it.

You're the ones who are whining about it.

Ethereal
11-06-2017, 10:58 PM
I am a nra member. Lol. One day we will vote it into oblivion from the inside. That's the plan, and there are more of us than you think there are.

:rofl:


And if you aren't afraid of guns you shouldn't be allowed to buy one.

There is a big difference between having respect for the weapon and being afraid of it. Perhaps if you pay attention to NRA rules and guidelines - you know, since you're a member - you will understand this distinction some day.

Ethereal
11-06-2017, 10:59 PM
It's not about me.
Then stop trying to make it about you, Mr. Secretive NRA Member.

Boris The Animal
11-06-2017, 11:00 PM
Then these events will just keep happening. There is no other solution. It's all part of the American experience.

Don't $#@! about it.Just how stupid do you think we are? If not firearms then pipe bombs, Molotov Cocktails, vehicles (9/11 ring a bell?). Scumbags will find a way, any way to inflict mass destruction. Fortunately, the 2nd Amendment, which you obviously loathe, along with the rest of the COTUS, affords citizens the RIGHT to defend themselves.

Grokmaster
11-06-2017, 11:21 PM
the nra says if everyone is carrying this wouldn't happen.how many parishioners in texas were armed.if the nra is right they could have stopped the killier.isn't texas gun country?
An NRA instructor DID stop it....

donttread
11-07-2017, 05:58 AM
I believe that you are hoisting a false dilemma on your tPF friends.

JMHO.

Really? How so? Are you saying that some governments do not murder their unarmed subjects? Check out what happened in Nazi Germany and Stalin's Russia after disarmament and what still happens in places around the world

stjames1_53
11-07-2017, 06:37 AM
the nra says if everyone is carrying this wouldn't happen.how many parishioners in texas were armed.if the nra is right they could have stopped the killier.isn't texas gun country?

and you'd b!tch if they went armed........................

stjames1_53
11-07-2017, 06:39 AM
All leftists would.

it is interesting to note that the alt-left are not even considering giving up their guns. they just want everyone else to give them up, just ask Safety or bethere

stjames1_53
11-07-2017, 06:40 AM
Really? How so? Are you saying that some governments do not murder their unarmed subjects? Check out what happened in Nazi Germany and Stalin's Russia after disarmament and what still happens in places around the world
only a criminal wants your guns. Guess where that puts bethere and safety at?

Refugee
11-07-2017, 06:47 AM
Bethere is right though, banning gun ownership won’t be done by force, the new-age millennials will vote for it themselves. It’s what the Founding Fathers warned against; the constitution means nothing if 51% of the population don’t want it to. Even twenty years ago, who would have envisaged homosexuals walking naked in the streets, same sex marriage, legalised drugs, or Obamacare? The only good thing is that those now wishing for liberal fascism won’t know what hit them when it arrives, because the next to go will be all the freedom that they now take for granted.

hanger4
11-07-2017, 07:05 AM
Our church locks its door during service which is why I don't go but once a year. They force you to sit there until the minister makes his way to the door to greet you as you leave. I hate that. I am ready to run as soon as that last amen sounds.

"Our church locks its door" ....... "They force you to sit there"

I call BS, although if true you should contact your local fire safety officials, that's illegal.

Safety
11-07-2017, 10:14 AM
it is interesting to note that the alt-left are not even considering giving up their guns. they just want everyone else to give them up, just ask Safety or bethere


only a criminal wants your guns. Guess where that puts bethere and safety at?

LoL, not even in the thread, but always in your mind...I'll send you the invoice.

stjames1_53
11-07-2017, 10:17 AM
LoL, not even in the thread, but always in your mind...I'll send you the invoice.

so, I'm right..................thanks

Bethere
11-07-2017, 10:25 AM
:rofl:



There is a big difference between having respect for the weapon and being afraid of it. Perhaps if you pay attention to NRA rules and guidelines - you know, since you're a member - you will understand this distinction some day.

No. thank you. I look forward to voting them out of existence.

Bethere
11-07-2017, 10:27 AM
Just how stupid do you think we are? If not firearms then pipe bombs, Molotov $#@!tails, vehicles (9/11 ring a bell?). Scumbags will find a way, any way to inflict mass destruction. Fortunately, the 2nd Amendment, which you obviously loathe, along with the rest of the COTUS, affords citizens the RIGHT to defend themselves.

You'd be shocked at how stupid I believe that you guys are. Thanks for asking.

stjames1_53
11-07-2017, 10:27 AM
No. thank you. I look forward to voting them out of existence.

then you have no guns.............I can breathe easier at night

Bethere
11-07-2017, 10:29 AM
Then stop trying to make it about you, Mr. Secretive NRA Member.

If i meant it to be a secret I wouldn't have told you.

Bethere
11-07-2017, 10:30 AM
then you have no guns.............I can breathe easier at night
I was referring to the nra, not guns.

Chris
11-07-2017, 10:33 AM
So 6 pages in, has anyone addressed the problem? Anyone know why these people do it?

Ethereal
11-07-2017, 10:33 AM
No. thank you. I look forward to voting them out of existence.
:rofl:

Ethereal
11-07-2017, 10:34 AM
If i meant it to be a secret I wouldn't have told you.
Nobody said you were smart.

stjames1_53
11-07-2017, 10:40 AM
I was referring to the nra, not guns.
the nra works to keep your guns in your hands but note how quickly you'll stack your arms for the state

Bethere
11-07-2017, 10:44 AM
the nra works to keep your guns in your hands but note how quickly you'll stack your arms for the state
Jesus says to turn the other cheek. so I suspect that is what the Son of God would have me do.

stjames1_53
11-07-2017, 11:03 AM
Jesus says to turn the other cheek. so I suspect that is what the Son of God would have me do.

and yet you claim to have guns......................

The Xl
11-07-2017, 11:06 AM
Then these events will just keep happening. There is no other solution. It's all part of the American experience.

Don't bitch about it.

It's not going to happen. You best find a way to cope with that fact, otherwise you're going to be quite depressed.

Bethere
11-07-2017, 11:07 AM
and yet you claim to have guns......................

I hunt.

stjames1_53
11-07-2017, 11:09 AM
I hunt.

uh huh........sure thing

hanger4
11-07-2017, 11:41 AM
Jesus says to turn the other cheek. so I suspect that is what the Son of God would have me do.

To "turn the other cheek," does not imply pacifism, nor does it mean we place ourselves or others in mortal danger or protect ourselves from mortal danger.

Bethere
11-07-2017, 01:20 PM
To "turn the other cheek," does not imply pacifism, nor does it mean we place ourselves or others in mortal danger or protect ourselves from mortal danger.
It more than just implies pacifism.

stjames1_53
11-07-2017, 01:22 PM
Jesus says to turn the other cheek. so I suspect that is what the Son of God would have me do.

here is that derail I was talking about.............

hanger4
11-07-2017, 01:42 PM
It more than just implies pacifism.

Turning the other cheek refers to personal retaliation, not criminal offenses or acts of military aggression. Jesus Was not negating God’s laws and injunctions protecting us against violent crime or invading armies. Jesus is speaking here of the principle of non-retaliation to affronts against our own dignity.

Dangermouse
11-07-2017, 02:05 PM
Turning the other cheek refers to personal retaliation, not criminal offenses or acts of military aggression. Jesus Was not negating God’s laws and injunctions protecting us against violent crime or invading armies. Jesus is speaking here of the principle of non-retaliation to affronts against our own dignity.

Jesus reckoned three swords were plenty for 13 men traveling through bandit country, and even chewed out an apostle for using his on a Roman, healing the Roman's ear.

Bethere
11-07-2017, 02:05 PM
Turning the other cheek refers to personal retaliation, not criminal offenses or acts of military aggression. Jesus Was not negating God’s laws and injunctions protecting us against violent crime or invading armies. Jesus is speaking here of the principle of non-retaliation to affronts against our own dignity.
Nonsense.

hanger4
11-07-2017, 02:19 PM
Jesus reckoned three swords were plenty for 13 men traveling through bandit country, and even chewed out an apostle for using his on a Roman, healing the Roman's ear.

If you're referring to 'live by the sword die by the sword' Jesus is referring tosomeone who uses violence can expect a violent response. Devin Patrick Kelley just learned that lesson the hard way.

hanger4
11-07-2017, 02:38 PM
Nonsense.

Nowhere in Scripture does it say that Christians can’t protect themselves or their family.

Luke 22:35-36 Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you out to preach the Good News and you did not have money, a traveler’s bag, or an extra pair of sandals, did you need anything?” “No,” they replied. “But now,” he said, “take your money and a traveler’s bag. And if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one!

Luke 11:21 “When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are undisturbed.

Luke 22:38 And they were saying to him, ‘Our Lord, behold, here are two swords.’ He said to them, ‘They are enough.’

What we should never do though is seek revenge.

Romans 12:19 Dear friends, never take revenge. Leave that to the righteous anger of God. For the Scriptures say, “I will take revenge; I will pay them back,” says the LORD.

Bethere
11-07-2017, 03:34 PM
Nowhere in Scripture does it say that Christians can’t protect themselves or their family.

Luke 22:35-36 Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you out to preach the Good News and you did not have money, a traveler’s bag, or an extra pair of sandals, did you need anything?” “No,” they replied. “But now,” he said, “take your money and a traveler’s bag. And if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one!

Luke 11:21 “When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are undisturbed.

Luke 22:38 And they were saying to him, ‘Our Lord, behold, here are two swords.’ He said to them, ‘They are enough.’

What we should never do though is seek revenge.

Romans 12:19 Dear friends, never take revenge. Leave that to the righteous anger of God. For the Scriptures say, “I will take revenge; I will pay them back,” says the LORD.

Matthew 5:38-40New International Version (NIV)38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[a (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%205:38-40#fen-NIV-23273a)]39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.

hanger4
11-07-2017, 04:12 PM
Matthew 5:38-40New International Version (NIV)38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[a (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%205:38-40#fen-NIV-23273a)]39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.

Already responded to Bethere, turning the other cheek refers to personal retaliation, not criminal offenses or acts of military aggression.

In the case of a shooter or one that wishes to do you serious bodily harm, run if possible. If that's not possible defend yourself, defend others, defend your familiy, defend your possessions.Related verses were posted.

stjames1_53
11-07-2017, 04:21 PM
Jesus reckoned three swords were plenty for 13 men traveling through bandit country, and even chewed out an apostle for using his on a Roman, healing the Roman's ear.

but you're not even allowed to own swords over there................

stjames1_53
11-07-2017, 04:22 PM
Matthew 5:38-40New International Version (NIV)

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[a (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew 5:38-40#fen-NIV-23273a)]39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.

^^ this, from an atheist^^

hanger4
11-07-2017, 04:33 PM
Wait ....... what ?? Bethere do you claim to be an atheist ??

Safety
11-07-2017, 05:43 PM
^^ this, from an atheist^^


Wait ....... what ?? Bethere do you claim to be an atheist ??

Does that stop athiests from using quotes from the bible or advocating for religion?
Chris?

Tahuyaman
11-07-2017, 05:57 PM
Obviously banning gun ownership by law abiding people is the way to eliminate mass shootings.

hanger4
11-07-2017, 06:09 PM
Does that stop athiests from using quotes from the bible or advocating for religion?
Chris?

Absolutely not Safety, but it does help explain why he's ignoring Biblical passages that refute his point and repeats that which has been put in context that allays his point.

stjames1_53
11-07-2017, 06:14 PM
Does that stop athiests from using quotes from the bible or advocating for religion?
@Chris (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=128)?

a man without a rudder commands no ship

Bethere
11-07-2017, 06:22 PM
^^ this, from an atheist^^

I'm not an atheist.

Bethere
11-07-2017, 06:24 PM
Wait ....... what ?? @Bethere (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1988) do you claim to be an atheist ??

No. St. James is posting in bad faith.

hanger4
11-07-2017, 06:25 PM
I'm not an atheist.

Agnostic ??

Just askin.

Bethere
11-07-2017, 06:30 PM
Agnostic ??

Just askin.

No. Now you are posting in bad faith, too.

Mister D
11-07-2017, 06:32 PM
Absolutely not Safety, but it does help explain why he's ignoring Biblical passages that refute his point and repeats that which has been put in context that allays his point.
That was just another half-assed Safety gotcha. Apparently, he thinks Chris advocates for religion which, in Safety's world means saying anything positive about religion.

hanger4
11-07-2017, 06:43 PM
No. Now you are posting in bad faith, too.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to get in your face with "the truth"








That's a lie, I did mean to. :grin:

stjames1_53
11-07-2017, 06:45 PM
We can all agree that this guy's mind was broken.
We can also agree that he should have never owned a firearm.
I don't get why you're faulting the fellow that went after that shooter.It seems that you keep finding fault with the NRA trainer for whatever reason....
Then it becomes an Right to Own question...............there is no common ground with those who would take a Right and turn it into a privilege.
Be honest. If Trump orders you to stack 'em up,would you?

Safety
11-07-2017, 06:45 PM
That was just another half-assed Safety gotcha. Apparently, he thinks Chris advocates for religion which, in Safety's world means saying anything positive about religion.

I know whenever you respond to one of my posts like this, that I am on the right track.

Safety
11-07-2017, 06:47 PM
Absolutely not Safety, but it does help explain why he's ignoring Biblical passages that refute his point and repeats that which has been put in context that allays his point.

Naw, it was a feeble attempt to attack his character instead of his argument. Feeble.

Mister D
11-07-2017, 06:49 PM
I know whenever you respond to one of my posts like this, that I am on the right track.

Yeah, you sound real confident. :laugh: You're a one trick pony, Safety. Do better.

Mister D
11-07-2017, 06:51 PM
Naw, it was a feeble attempt to attack his character instead of his argument. Feeble.

bethere's character? :laugh:

Safety
11-07-2017, 06:52 PM
Yeah, you sound real confident. :laugh: You're a one trick pony, Safety. Do better.

You're babbling, Mister D, tighten up.

Oh wait, that is your line, right?

Mister D
11-07-2017, 06:54 PM
You're babbling, Mister D, tighten up.

Oh wait, that is your line, right?
So tell us more about how Chris advocates for religion. :smiley:

hanger4
11-07-2017, 06:55 PM
Naw, it was a feeble attempt to attack his character instead of his argument. Feeble.

You're out of your mind, I refuted his argument by posting Biblical passages that show 'turning the other cheek' doesn't apply in this case.

BTW, where the hell did I attack his character ??

Chris
11-07-2017, 06:55 PM
Does that stop athiests from using quotes from the bible or advocating for religion?
Chris?


Why ask me, Safety, I think religion is a good thing.

Mister D
11-07-2017, 06:57 PM
You're out of your mind, I refuted his argument by posting Biblical passages that show 'turning the other cheek' doesn't apply in this case.
He sees a team member on the ground. He doesn't really care who is right or wrong, hanger.

Mister D
11-07-2017, 06:58 PM
Why ask me, Safety, I think religion is a good thing.
Aha! You advocate of religion you!

Bethere
11-07-2017, 06:59 PM
It may be the onion but this is true.

https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1820163660/amp

SUTHERLAND SPRINGS, TX—In the hours following a violent rampage in Texas in which a lone attacker killed 27 individuals and seriously injured several others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Sunday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said Kansas resident Britt Mulvanos, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this individual from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what they really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past eight years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.”

Safety
11-07-2017, 07:03 PM
Why ask me, Safety, I think religion is a good thing.

Following hanger4's leading question to Bethere, does it or does it not appear he is asking bethere if he is atheist as an attempt to discredit his post where he quoted scripture from the bible?

Safety
11-07-2017, 07:03 PM
So tell us more about how Chris advocates for religion. :smiley:


He sees a team member on the ground. He doesn't really care who is right or wrong, hanger.


Aha! You advocate of religion you!

You're trying too hard. Take a breather.

Safety
11-07-2017, 07:04 PM
You're out of your mind, I refuted his argument by posting Biblical passages that show 'turning the other cheek' doesn't apply in this case.

BTW, where the hell did I attack his character ??

caca de toro.

Mister D
11-07-2017, 07:08 PM
Following @hanger4 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=403)'s leading question to @Bethere (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1988), does it or does it not appear he is asking bethere if he is atheist as an attempt to discredit his post where he quoted scripture from the bible?
:laugh: stjames said bethere is an atheist. hanger saw that post and asked if it was true. IOW, no, it does not appear that way to anyone who can read.

Refugee
11-07-2017, 07:08 PM
I think a lot in America still don’t get it. Where have all the recent crazies come from? The answer is that if you vote in this lot for nearly a decade, you get what comes with it. Liberals are under the mistaken belief that they want freedom, but people like Obama, (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2012/07/13/top-ten-felons-in-obamas life/)Clinton and Sanders come with a package and you’re now seeing the results.


The same in Europe. When did all the Muslim bombings, crime and rapes start? When the liberals decided all were equal and opened the borders. In the US, where did Antifa and BLM spring up from. Why are so many on food stamps and why are the middle classes declining. You can’t say one day Obama is in power and the next it’s all Trumps fault. Even if America moves away from liberalism today, it will still take a decade plus to repair the Obama years damage. You’re seeing it now, this is the result of voting in communists, cultural Marxists and radicals and then scratching your heads at the results. Is Obama responsible for these killings, the riots and Antifa? No, not directly, but his policies are. You wanted a ‘do your own thing man’ society? You got it.


Russia is still trying to get back to normal after nearly three decades. Cambodia is still a basket case after nearly half a century. This sort of thing is going to carry on for a while yet.

Is this the kind of society American millennials want? Apparently yes (https://www.westernjournal.com/poll-nearly-half-millennials-prefer-living-communist-socialist-country/).

Here’s a thought. Look around the world and I’m not asking for many, just one of the following socialist paradises that allows gun ownership. China, Laos, Vietnam, Cuba, Zimbabwe and N. Korea. Now tell me which one has same sex marriage, entitlement welfare, safe spaces, freedom of speech, or an open borders DREAM act. Hint: They’re all banned. The problem with banning everything we don’t like is that eventually the things we do like get banned as well and that’s the time liberals discover why what they vote for is called liberal fascism.

Mister D
11-07-2017, 07:10 PM
You're trying too hard. Take a breather.

Leading question! um...um...hypocrisy! Did we just exhaust your repertoire? :laugh:

hanger4
11-07-2017, 07:11 PM
caca de toro.

A 'double meaing' ?? Must mean your making things up.

Stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

Chris
11-07-2017, 07:12 PM
That was just another half-assed Safety gotcha. Apparently, he thinks Chris advocates for religion which, in Safety's world means saying anything positive about religion.


Grasping for his daily tu quoque quota.

Chris
11-07-2017, 07:15 PM
Following hanger4's leading question to Bethere, does it or does it not appear he is asking bethere if he is atheist as an attempt to discredit his post where he quoted scripture from the bible?

I wouldn't impute such sinister design as you do. More likely he's just trying to understand what his point is since, as usual, it lacks clarity.

hanger4
11-07-2017, 07:22 PM
Following hanger4's leading question to Bethere, does it or does it not appear he is asking bethere if he is atheist as an attempt to discredit his post where he quoted scripture from the bible?

Your insinuation was addressed by me Safety, if that's not good enough, well that's on you. You're more than welcome to live in that mysterious world of double meanings and dog whistles, but I don't.

Bethere
11-07-2017, 07:24 PM
I wouldn't impute such sinister design as you do. More likely he's just trying to understand what his point is since, as usual, it lacks clarity.
No, it's a display of power. He successfully nuked my thread with an unsubstantiated slur. My hat is off to him. We are no longer talking about gun control.

This forum bites.

Safety
11-07-2017, 07:34 PM
:laugh: stjames said bethere is an atheist. hanger saw that post and asked if it was true. IOW, no, it does not appear that way to anyone who can read.

lulzmao

resister
11-07-2017, 07:34 PM
No, it's a display of power. He successfully nuked my thread with an unsubstantiated slur. My hat is off to him. We are no longer talking about gun control.

This forum bites.
The internet is a big place, lots of forums out there! Spread your wings and fly!...away!

MisterVeritis
11-07-2017, 07:35 PM
Matthew 5:38-40New International Version (NIV)

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[a (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew 5:38-40#fen-NIV-23273a)]39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.
Then the families of all the dead should be happy.

Safety
11-07-2017, 07:36 PM
I wouldn't impute such sinister design as you do. More likely he's just trying to understand what his point is since, as usual, it lacks clarity.

Negative. It was a passive-aggressive attempt to mock him based upon james's comment. You know this, but your known bias towards bethere prevents you from acknowledging this.

Safety
11-07-2017, 07:37 PM
No, it's a display of power. He successfully nuked my thread with an unsubstantiated slur. My hat is off to him. We are no longer talking about gun control.

This forum bites.

It isn't the forum, just a couple of gadflys that pretend to be nonpartisan in the most partisan hack way.

Mister D
11-07-2017, 07:38 PM
negative. It was a passive-aggressive attempt to mock him based upon james's comment. You know this, but your known bias towards bethere prevents you from acknowledging this.
wow lol

hanger4
11-07-2017, 07:43 PM
No, it's a display of power. He successfully nuked my thread with an unsubstantiated slur. My hat is off to him. We are no longer talking about gun control.

This forum bites.

No Bethere, you nuked your own theard by improperly applying 'turn the other cheek' and you were corrected. You should have owned it and moved on, lesson learned instead of rebuffing the correction.
You then engaged, were refuted again, then Safety showed and embarrassed himself.

Bethere
11-07-2017, 07:45 PM
It may be the onion but this is true.

https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1820163660/amp

SUTHERLAND SPRINGS, TX—In the hours following a violent rampage in Texas in which a lone attacker killed 27 individuals and seriously injured several others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Sunday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said Kansas resident Britt Mulvanos, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this individual from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what they really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past eight years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.”

hanger4
11-07-2017, 07:51 PM
Negative. It was a passive-aggressive attempt to mock him based upon james's comment. You know this, but your known bias towards bethere prevents you from acknowledging this.

You're making things up again Safety. You've been set straight, I don't lie.

Chris
11-07-2017, 07:52 PM
No, it's a display of power. He successfully nuked my thread with an unsubstantiated slur. My hat is off to him. We are no longer talking about gun control.

This forum bites.


No, it wasn't what you imagine.

Safety
11-07-2017, 07:56 PM
You're making things up again Safety. You've been set straight, I don't lie.

B.S.

hanger4
11-07-2017, 08:00 PM
B.S.

If I had a history of lying you might have a point Safety, but I don't, so you don't.

Safety
11-07-2017, 08:04 PM
If I had a history of lying you might have a point Safety, but I don't, so you don't.

Yea, just because you say there is not a history, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

hanger4
11-07-2017, 08:09 PM
Yea, just because you say there is not a history, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

You've got 20 pages of posts Safety, have at it.

Chris
11-07-2017, 08:15 PM
You're making things up again Safety. You've been set straight, I don't lie.

You just have to understand that some people just know better that you what you mean and intend.

I've never seen you lie.

resister
11-07-2017, 08:18 PM
You just have to understand that some people just know better that you what you mean and intend.

I've never seen you lie.

Nor have I, but I often hear (overwhelmingly liberal) tell people what really meant:rollseyes: to say!

Mister D
11-07-2017, 08:19 PM
Safety, now you're just being a dick to someone who doesn't deserve it. Do some thinking.

Mister D
11-07-2017, 08:20 PM
You just have to understand that some people just know better that you what you mean and intend.

I've never seen you lie.

Neither has Safety but duty calls...

Safety
11-07-2017, 08:49 PM
^^ this, from an atheist^^


Wait ....... what ?? Bethere do you claim to be an atheist ??


No Bethere, you nuked your own theard by improperly applying 'turn the other cheek' and you were corrected. You should have owned it and moved on, lesson learned instead of rebuffing the correction.
You then engaged, were refuted again, then Safety showed and embarrassed himself.


Safety, now you're just being a dick to someone who doesn't deserve it. Do some thinking.


Neither has Safety but duty calls...

I'll just let this stand for everyone that isn't a hack to see.

hanger4
11-07-2017, 09:03 PM
I'll just let this stand for everyone that isn't a hack to see.


Jesus says to turn the other cheek. so I suspect that is what the Son of God would have me do.


To "turn the other cheek," does not imply pacifism, nor does it mean we place ourselves or others in mortal danger or protect ourselves from mortal danger.

I'll just let this stand for all that are not too blind to see.

Bethere began the nuking of his thread and, I might add, you've done a fine job completing the action.

Peter1469
11-07-2017, 09:16 PM
Can this thread be summed up with:

nobody is taking guns from law-abiding citizens.

Cthulhu
11-07-2017, 09:25 PM
Matthew 5:38-40New International Version (NIV)38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[a (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%205:38-40#fen-NIV-23273a)]39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.Now show me the verse where it says you should let yourself get mowed down by a murdering psychopath.

Sent from my evil cell phone.

resister
11-07-2017, 09:34 PM
Now show me the verse where it says you should let yourself get mowed down by a murdering psychopath.

Sent from my evil cell phone.
I remember the one where he says to sell that spare cloak for a sword.

exotix
11-07-2017, 09:34 PM
Can this thread be summed up with:

nobody is taking guns from law-abiding citizens.You must've missed the Alabama elections here last month ... yeah, Bannon ran ads for Roy Moore against Luther Strange that Obama was coming for your guns ... and it worked ... LOL

Peter1469
11-07-2017, 09:38 PM
You must've missed the Alabama elections here last month ... yeah, Bannon ran ads for Roy Moore against Luther Strange that Obama was coming for your guns ... and it worked ... LOL

Strange little guy.

Chris
11-07-2017, 09:46 PM
I'll just let this stand for everyone that isn't a hack to see.

You're proud of that? Their reaction to your going off topic to talk about others. I wouldn't be.

Cthulhu
11-07-2017, 10:18 PM
No, it's a display of power. He successfully nuked my thread with an unsubstantiated slur. My hat is off to him. We are no longer talking about gun control.

This forum bites.Ha!

Found my tiny violin!

Sent from my evil cell phone.

silvereyes
11-07-2017, 10:18 PM
Jesus says to turn the other cheek. so I suspect that is what the Son of God would have me do.


and yet you claim to have guns......................


I hunt.


uh huh........sure thing


Turning the other cheek refers to personal retaliation, not criminal offenses or acts of military aggression. Jesus Was not negating God’s laws and injunctions protecting us against violent crime or invading armies. Jesus is speaking here of the principle of non-retaliation to affronts against our own dignity.


^^ this, from an atheist^^


Wait ....... what ?? Bethere do you claim to be an atheist ??


Absolutely not Safety, but it does help explain why he's ignoring Biblical passages that refute his point and repeats that which has been put in context that allays his point.

Or could it be that he leans more heavily on His bible passage? That he follows that more closely? I'm sure there are parts of the bible that you don't fully agree with, right?

hanger4
11-07-2017, 10:28 PM
Or could it be that he leans more heavily on His bible passage? That he follows that more closely? I'm sure there are parts of the bible that you don't fully agree with, right?

I posted the Biblical passages that refutes Bethere's claim that 'turn the other cheek' implies pacifism.

silvereyes
11-07-2017, 10:55 PM
Jesus says to turn the other cheek. so I suspect that is what the Son of God would have me do.


and yet you claim to have guns......................


I hunt.


uh huh........sure thing


Turning the other cheek refers to personal retaliation, not criminal offenses or acts of military aggression. Jesus Was not negating God’s laws and injunctions protecting us against violent crime or invading armies. Jesus is speaking here of the principle of non-retaliation to affronts against our own dignity.


^^ this, from an atheist^^


Wait ....... what ?? Bethere do you claim to be an atheist ??


I posted the Biblical passages that refutes Bethere's claim that 'turn the other cheek' implies pacifism.

I know you did. Some people interpret Bible verses differently than others. For me this is true when we discuss the whole bible/gay thing. Homophobes see those parts differently than those supporting gay people.

Make sense? I'm not trying to start an arguement with you...I'm really not. Hard to believe, I know. :)

Adelaide
11-07-2017, 10:59 PM
Anyone discussing other members and insulting other members will get thread banned. Discuss the topic.

stjames1_53
11-08-2017, 04:46 AM
I know you did. Some people interpret Bible verses differently than others. For me this is true when we discuss the whole bible/gay thing. Homophobes see those parts differently than those supporting gay people.

Make sense? I'm not trying to start an arguement with you...I'm really not. Hard to believe, I know. :)


so, do you have a point about the shooting in TX or not?

stjames1_53
11-08-2017, 04:50 AM
I posted the Biblical passages that refutes Bethere's claim that 'turn the other cheek' implies pacifism.

There is a difference between striking out in self-righteous anger or striking in righteous anger

hanger4
11-08-2017, 09:22 AM
Or could it be that he leans more heavily on His bible passage? That he follows that more closely? I'm sure there are parts of the bible that you don't fully agree with, right?

Sure he could, but that means he'd have to ignore the passages showing a Christian's right, duty, permission or whatever to defend themselves, family and others from mortal danger.

Bethere
11-08-2017, 09:31 AM
so, do you have a point about the shooting in TX or not?

The shooting was largely preventable and shootings like it pretty much don't happen in other less trigger happy societies.

I place the blame at the feet of the gop and the nra.

Chris
11-08-2017, 09:35 AM
I do not speak for her, but the shooting was largely preventable and shootings like it pretty much don't happen in other less trigger happy societies.

I place the blame at the feet of the gop and the nra.

So America is trigger happy. That's the whole problem. :geez:

Bethere
11-08-2017, 09:37 AM
So America is trigger happy. That's the whole problem. :geez:

We have more American guns than American people.

Yep. Not the whole problem, but most of it.

resister
11-08-2017, 09:38 AM
The shooting was largely preventable and shootings like it pretty much don't happen in other less trigger happy societies.

I place the blame at the feet of the gop and the nra.
Blame the Air Force clerk.

stjames1_53
11-08-2017, 09:39 AM
The shooting was largely preventable and shootings like it pretty much don't happen in other less trigger happy societies.

I place the blame at the feet of the gop and the nra.
of course you do............it is also where you place your hatred and intolerance.
Have you decided what it is you lost this election? I figured you would have your list available of what was taken from you by Trump......You sure didn't lose any of your Rights, and that includes the 2ndA

Bethere
11-08-2017, 09:41 AM
of course you do............it is also where you place your hatred and intolerance.
Have you decided what it is you lost this election? I figured you would have your list available of what was taken from you by Trump......You sure didn't lose any of your Rights, and that includes the 2ndA

This thread isn't about me.

stjames1_53
11-08-2017, 09:45 AM
This thread isn't about me.


I place the blame at the feet of the gop and the nra.
............guess you already made it about you.............

Mini Me
11-08-2017, 09:52 AM
The only way you can "do something about it" is by confiscating all guns. Not happening.

I refuse to take a stand with gun control! I am torn! That's why I am a CENTRIST!

stjames1_53
11-08-2017, 09:56 AM
I refuse to take a stand with gun control! I am torn! That's why I am a CENTRIST!

you live in a state where that has already been decided for you and you have nothing to say about it, either way............sorry for your bad luck, doc

Chris
11-08-2017, 09:59 AM
We have more American guns than American people.

Yep. Not the whole problem, but most of it.


OK, so America being trigger happy is not the problem as you said.

Bethere
11-08-2017, 10:00 AM
OK, so America being trigger happy is not the problem as you said.

Yeah, it is. Don't willfully misinterpret my posts.

Bethere
11-08-2017, 10:01 AM
It may be the onion but this is true.

https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1820163660/amp

SUTHERLAND SPRINGS, TX—In the hours following a violent rampage in Texas in which a lone attacker killed 27 individuals and seriously injured several others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Sunday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said Kansas resident Britt Mulvanos, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this individual from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what they really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past eight years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.”

Docthehun
11-08-2017, 10:14 AM
Repeating from a similar post; "there's no horror in these killings anymore. They've become, sadly, too common place. Vegas has already been lost to the Texas church, which will soon be lost to _____________."

Good thing we specialize in small arms versus head removal via sword.

nathanbforrest45
11-08-2017, 10:14 AM
I get 4 or 5 emails a day from the NRA. Not a single one of them advocates going into churches and shooting people. The vast majority of them are warning everyone that if you do shoot someone, even in self defense you can run afoul of the law and at the very least spend 10's of thousands defending yourself. The NRA is a strong sponsor of responsible gun ownership and training.

As an added feature, not a single shooter in the last several years has been an NRA member.

Chris
11-08-2017, 10:17 AM
Yeah, it is. Don't willfully misinterpret my posts.

Ever think your posts just aren't all that clear?

America being trigger happy would mean we all react violently and start shooting. Clearly, that's not the case. Only some relatively few get so angry.

Also, what you say doesn't address why those relatively few people get so angry. IOW, you're addressing a symptom and not the problem.

Chris
11-08-2017, 10:23 AM
Repeating from a similar post; "there's no horror in these killings anymore. They've become, sadly, too common place. Vegas has already been lost to the Texas church, which will soon be lost to _____________."

Good thing we specialize in small arms versus head removal via sword.



That's true. I see that as why the heros in this case reacted as cooly as they did, and would predict from it that we'll see more and more such people ready.

It also likely means nothing will come of it. Your Colberts will give impassioned pleas for something, anything to be done, and call those who disagree it's guns crazy and evil. But it generally quickly forgotten. Politicians who want to get re-elected won't act.

exotix
11-08-2017, 10:34 AM
Ever think your posts just aren't all that clear?

America being trigger happy would mean we all react violently and start shooting. Clearly, that's not the case. Only some relatively few get so angry.

Also, what you say doesn't address why those relatively few people get so angry. IOW, you're addressing a symptom and not the problem.How come you treat every gun-massacre as just a *one-off* incident ?

Chris
11-08-2017, 10:39 AM
How come you treat every gun-massacre as just a *one-off* incident ?

Why do you think I do? There's nothing I've ever said to indicate that. Did you find it in thin air perchance?

Adelaide
11-08-2017, 11:01 AM
Not going to bother reading every post, but I guess I have a unique perspective as an international member who now lives in the United States. The United States has a unique law/right and unique culture compared to a lot of other countries when it comes to firearms. The bigger issue is that there are socioeconomic factors and psychological factors that are not really being addressed.

For example, the system is pitiful at catching and treating early psychological problems like callous-unemotional traits, ODD, conduct disorder, and so on. What does a parent do when their child is showing traits or aggression that signal a problem? You don't want to get them a label that will follow them. You have almost no options in terms of intensive or residential treatment options, if you can even afford it or it would be covered by insurance (some insurance companies would argue and refuse to pay for what is currently considered acceptable residential treatment). Some parents opt to have their child enter the juvenile criminal justice system as a last ditch effort to provide structure in a relatively safe environment, but the juvenile system creates criminals, similar to the adult system, and is way too overworked for psychological problems. This process becomes even more difficult when it involves an adult and an adult who has more autonomy than a child or adolescent... and the treatment options are not much better, nor are the labels that come if you seek treatment.

Want to address gun violence in the United States? Direct funding to organizations that can expand the treatment facilities available to children and adults, and try to tackle how to provide an incentive or more control over sectioning adults who show signs of dysfunction and instability. Prison is not the place to try and address psychological issues. They lack the resources and funding so if we are going to try and use prison to reform criminals with psychological issues, then funding and programs need to be set up there. The current infrastructure is not going to do any good.

And that is only one part of the issue, and does not address the many other problems that contribute to gun violence. Would more regulations and checks potentially stop future mass shootings? Maybe, although it is easy enough to get an illegal firearm. It is also easy to just use another device and method. More regulation would basically just make it a bigger pain in the ass for law abiding citizens to have firearms... which is a right for Americans. Kind of unique to the United States as most countries removed portions of their constitution related to encouraging the use/ownership of firearms (including Canada and Britain).

Anyways... I support the strict gun control laws in Canada, but I also think that there are a lot of differences that drastically reduce the chances of mass shootings. A little bit "apples and oranges" but generally there are more social programs available, fewer barriers to health care services (due to cost/insurance), and just a generally different atmosphere. For the United States, I support the Second Amendment, but think that there are a ton of societal issues not being addressed and maybe government is not the best agent to address those issues, but directing funds to organizations that could set up things like more intensive treatment programs for psychological problems would potentially help prevent some of the violence. Kind of a long-term investment, though, and people want a band-aid.

Bethere
11-08-2017, 11:34 AM
Ever think your posts just aren't all that clear?

America being trigger happy would mean we all react violently and start shooting. Clearly, that's not the case. Only some relatively few get so angry.

Also, what you say doesn't address why those relatively few people get so angry. IOW, you're addressing a symptom and not the problem.

20932

Chris
11-08-2017, 11:40 AM
20932

Where that lacks clarity then is aggregates lose sight of individuals. That there are more mass shootings in America doesn't imply Americans are trigger-happy.

Bethere
11-08-2017, 11:43 AM
Where that lacks clarity then is aggregates lose sight of individuals. That there are more mass shootings in America doesn't imply Americans are trigger-happy.

Of course it does. You confuse the words imply and prove.

Kacper
11-08-2017, 11:50 AM
Ever think your posts just aren't all that clear?

America being trigger happy would mean we all react violently and start shooting. Clearly, that's not the case. Only some relatively few get so angry.

Also, what you say doesn't address why those relatively few people get so angry. IOW, you're addressing a symptom and not the problem.

Not all shooting is violent unless you are like the spokesperson for beer cans and bottles, or fence posts. Gun opinions, like most others, are largely normative opinions derived from one's upbringing/surroundings.

Chris
11-08-2017, 11:54 AM
Of course it does. You confuse the words imply and prove.

How do I confuse those words. Be clear. If you're not up to discussing the assertion you made about Americans being trigger-happy, just say so.

Chris
11-08-2017, 11:55 AM
Not all shooting is violent unless you are like the spokesperson for beer cans and bottles, or fence posts. Gun opinions, like most others, are largely normative opinions derived from one's upbringing/surroundings.

I'm just trying to figure out what bethere even means by Americans are trigger-happy. It's not clear.

resister
11-08-2017, 12:00 PM
Not all shooting is violent unless you are like the spokesperson for beer cans and bottles, or fence posts. Gun opinions, like most others, are largely normative opinions derived from one's upbringing/surroundings.
I fire about 30 rounds a year, all but one, go into a mudbank, the other founds it's mark on my hog. I find the mentality that guns are designed soley for killing, very strange. 260 million gun owners, killed no one, yesterday.

barb012
11-08-2017, 12:04 PM
This guy's behavior was observed by many people that he was a danger to society. The military which did not put him on the registry to prevent gun ownership, the lack of mental facilities due to limited funding, people that think someone else will deal with this person and it is not their problem. The list goes that enabled this person to continue his destructive behavior to a level that made this situation a reality.

Wanting to ban all guns in the population is not going to solve these problems.

Ransom
11-08-2017, 12:33 PM
This thread start I heard almost verbatim by Chris Cuomo the ultra liberal moron on morning CNN, Bethere just regurgitating what he hears on tv like good sheep do.

BTW, the Texas shooter was a white male....is Bethere embarrassed for his race and gender this week?

Someone else inform me, I cannot see Bethere's responses. On f'n purpose.

barb012
11-08-2017, 12:58 PM
There are a lot of sick and twisted people out there that desire to change the facts on this case to further divide and confuse its readers to gain more support for their own agendas.

Bethere
11-08-2017, 03:37 PM
How do I confuse those words. Be clear. If you're not up to discussing the assertion you made about Americans being trigger-happy, just say so.

Trigger happy is the term i chose. It's the perfect term. I'm uninterested in playing your sophist games. You are the wrong person to speak about clarity.

exotix
11-08-2017, 03:54 PM
Just In


Texas First Responders Haunted by ‘Horror’ at First Baptist Church Massacre

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/texas-church-shooting/texas-first-responders-haunted-horror-baptist-church-massacre-n818976


SUTHERLAND SPRINGS, Texas — Days after they responded to the worst mass shooting in Texas history, the husband and wife paramedic team that was the first on the scene is haunted by what they saw inside the blood-soaked sanctuary of the First Baptist Church.


“I’m trying to get the horror out of my mind,” said paramedic Mike Shaw, of the La Vernia Emergency Medical Service.


“But you can’t unsee what you already saw.”




Video Inside

http://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1510174459/7_xea6ok.png

exotix
11-08-2017, 04:00 PM
Just In


Law Enforcement reviews video of Church Massacre

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/08/authorities-review-video-small-town-texas-church-attack.html

SUTHERLAND SPRINGS, Texas – Authorities have reviewed video from inside the small-town Texas church where a gunman killed more than two dozen people, including footage that shows the assailant shooting victims in the head during Sunday services, a U.S. official said Wednesday.

Ransom
11-08-2017, 04:03 PM
I fire about 30 rounds a year, all but one, go into a mudbank, the other founds it's mark on my hog. I find the mentality that guns are designed soley for killing, very strange. 260 million gun owners, killed no one, yesterday.
I fire 80 a week. Gun range with buddies. We normally bike or make Wednesday night our poker night, as the weather turns, indoor shooting at a range is enjoyable, sharpens skills, and affordable.

Kacper
11-08-2017, 05:32 PM
I fire about 30 rounds a year, all but one, go into a mudbank, the other founds it's mark on my hog. I find the mentality that guns are designed soley for killing, very strange. 260 million gun owners, killed no one, yesterday.

Well they are designed for killing even if they are not always used that way unless you want to throw in nail guns

Cthulhu
11-08-2017, 06:37 PM
20932If you ban hammers than nobody can be killed with a hammer either.

Unless they make their own hammer.

But really, what is your point?

Sent from my evil cell phone.

Chris
11-08-2017, 06:45 PM
Trigger happy is the term i chose. It's the perfect term. I'm uninterested in playing your sophist games. You are the wrong person to speak about clarity.

Of course, you choose the word, duh. My question is why, and why apply it to America as if we're all trigger-happy.

No games, just sincere questions, to which you continue to deflect.

Adelaide
11-08-2017, 06:51 PM
This thread start I heard almost verbatim by Chris Cuomo the ultra liberal moron on morning CNN, Bethere just regurgitating what he hears on tv like good sheep do.

BTW, the Texas shooter was a white male....is Bethere embarrassed for his race and gender this week?

Someone else inform me, I cannot see Bethere's responses. On f'n purpose.

Thread banned for ignoring the warning.

Chris
11-08-2017, 06:54 PM
Well they are designed for killing even if they are not always used that way unless you want to throw in nail guns

Not really. That useless gotcha needs to die, to be shot and put out of its misery, so to speak.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1XXiA9M8Zc


And if you prefer words:

No Matter What You Hear, Guns Aren’t Designed to Kill People (http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/05/dean-weingarten/guns-not-designed-kill-people/)


A common slogan used by gun grabbers is that “guns are designed to kill people”. There are several variations on this theme; the only purpose of guns is to kill; guns are designed for one thing only…to take a life; assault weapons have only one purpose – to kill as many people as quickly as possible. All of these are false and it’s easy to demonstrate how . . .



First, what are guns designed to do? They’re designed to project force at a distance. They do this by propelling a projectile out of the end of a barrel at a velocity sufficient for the task at hand. The higher the velocity, the more force can be projected at further distances. The heavier the projectile, the more force that can be projected at a given velocity. Guns are machines that allow us to effectively project force at a distance.

To clarify, consider the purpose of a Minuteman III intercontinental ballistic missile tipped with a nuclear warhead. What is its purpose? Much like that of a pistol, it’s to project force at a (great) distance. But the Minuteman III wasn’t designed to kill people. It was designed to provide deterrence; that is, to stop other people from killing us. No Minuteman III has ever killed a single person, but it was and is used every day to deter attacks on the United States.

This principle is as old as humanity. The most famous adage associated with it is: Si vis pacem, para bellum (if you wish peace, prepare for war).

People who buy guns in the United States buy them for three primary reasons; hunting, defense, and target shooting.

A majority of guns in the United States are designed to kill things, but they are not designed to kill people. All hunting guns are designed to project force to kill the game that they are used to hunt. That is a clear and obvious truth. Single shot shotguns are seldom used to shoot targets; though they can do so. They can also be used for effective self defense. Their primary design purpose is to project force at a distance to kill small game, birds, pests, and even big game, with the proper ammunition.

Crepitus
11-08-2017, 06:55 PM
If you ban hammers than nobody can be killed with a hammer either.

Unless they make their own hammer.

But really, what is your point?

Sent from my evil cell phone.

How many mass hammerings were there in the last 18 months?

Crepitus
11-08-2017, 06:56 PM
Not really. That useless gotcha needs to die, to be shot and put out of its misery, so to speak.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1XXiA9M8Zc


And if you prefer words:

No Matter What You Hear, Guns Aren’t Designed to Kill People (http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/05/dean-weingarten/guns-not-designed-kill-people/)

Wow, that's a whole lotta rationalization right there man.

Mister D
11-08-2017, 07:00 PM
Wow, that's a whole lotta rationalization right there man.
You struggle with language.

Crepitus
11-08-2017, 07:02 PM
You struggle with language.

What? Too many big words for ya?

Mister D
11-08-2017, 07:04 PM
What? Too many big words for ya?

You struggle with language, Crepitus. Seriously.

Crepitus
11-08-2017, 07:09 PM
You struggle with language, Crepitus. Seriously.

Imma take that as a "yes".

Here, this might help : http://www.dictionary.com

Chris
11-08-2017, 07:10 PM
Wow, that's a whole lotta rationalization right there man.

In what way?

Mister D
11-08-2017, 07:12 PM
Imma take that as a "yes".

Here, this might help : http://www.dictionary.com
You struggle with language, Crepitus. You have at best a high school education and you most certainly do not have any intellectual hobbies. Trust me, it shows.

So why don't you explain to us 1) why this gentleman is wrong and 2) how his perspective is a rationalization. :)

Mister D
11-08-2017, 07:12 PM
In what way?
Can't wait for this.

Chris
11-08-2017, 07:16 PM
Can't wait for this.

https://s1.postimg.org/1obmxafzsv/v0ap_Y.gif

Crepitus
11-08-2017, 07:19 PM
You struggle with language, Crepitus. You have at best a high school education and you most certainly do not have any intellectual hobbies. Trust me, it shows.

So why don't you explain to us 1) why this gentleman is wrong and 2) how his perspective is a rationalization. :)

I struggle but you can't handle a few colloquialisms like "Imma" and "gotta".

Sure, that makes sense.

Mister D
11-08-2017, 07:19 PM
I struggle but you can't handle a few colloquialisms like "Imma" and "gotta".

Sure, that makes sense.
So why don't you explain to us 1) why this gentleman is wrong and 2) how his perspective is a rationalization. :)

Ethereal
11-08-2017, 07:27 PM
This is definitely a problem that needs to be addressed. That's why it makes a lot of sense to examine the number one source of gun violence in America, which is young black men who live in cities controlled by Democrats. We need to start asking ourselves the question: Why are cities controlled by Democrats so violent when compared to the rest of the country?

Ethereal
11-08-2017, 07:28 PM
I struggle...

There is no need to state the obvious.

Ethereal
11-08-2017, 07:31 PM
73.5 homicides per 100,000 black men aged 15 to 34 as compared to 3.7 homicides per 100,000 white men aged 15 to 34.

The evidence pretty much speaks for itself.

So the question becomes: Why?

Could it have anything to do with the political leadership (or lack thereof) in the cities where this outrageous violence occurs?

Mister D
11-08-2017, 07:32 PM
This is definitely a problem that needs to be addressed. That's why it makes a lot of sense to examine the number one source of gun violence in America, which is young black men who live in cities controlled by Democrats. We need to start asking ourselves the question: Why are cities controlled by Democrats so violent when compared to the rest of the country?
Moreover, no one bothers to ask why this is happening. We can't blame the guns. The guns have always been here and firearms regulations are stricter than they've ever been. Granted, mass murders of this sort are a drop in the bucket in terms of annual homicides.

Chris
11-08-2017, 07:34 PM
I struggle but you can't handle a few colloquialisms like "Imma" and "gotta".

Sure, that makes sense.

So you just blurted out "rationalization" for no apparent reason other than something handy to dismiss and argument.

Mister D
11-08-2017, 07:35 PM
So you just blurted out "rationalization" for no apparent reason other than something handy to dismiss and argument.
Exactly.

Ethereal
11-08-2017, 07:44 PM
Moreover, no one bothers to ask why this is happening. We can't blame the guns. The guns have always been here and firearms regulations are stricter than they've ever been. Granted, mass murders of this sort are a drop in the bucket in terms of annual homicides.

They don't ask why because the answer is: Democrats.

They suck at governing.

Just look what they did to Detroit, for example.

That's what they have in store for the entire country.

Mister D
11-08-2017, 07:54 PM
They don't ask why because the answer is: Democrats.

They suck at governing.

Just look what they did to Detroit, for example.

That's what they have in store for the entire country.

I was referring only to these emotionally charged mass and seemingly senseless mass murders. The reason for everyday gun violence, which no one from Safety to Dr. Who to the fake Indian seem to care about, is complicated IMO. I do agree that our approach to poverty has done more harm than good at least in so far as progressives insist on reinforcing pathological behavior. "Oh, that's wrong but we should really focus on Jim Crow"and slavery". Know what I mean?

Ethereal
11-08-2017, 07:59 PM
I was referring only to these emotionally charged mass and seemingly senseless mass murders.

Oh, right. Well, they do ask why, but only in the most superficial and shallow way possible. That is why their answer to the problem is always more gun control, because they cannot or will not see past the surface of the problem.


The reason for everyday gun violence, which no one from Safety to Dr. Who to the fake Indian seem to care about, is complicated IMO. I do agree that our approach to poverty has done more harm than good at least in so far as progressives insist on reinforcing pathological behavior. "Oh, that's wrong but we should really focus on Jim Crow"and slavery". Know what I mean?

I've said repeatedly that drug prohibition is probably the number one source of the violence insofar as its abolition would significantly reduce turf wars between rival gangs. It's the same thing that happened during alcohol prohibition in the early 1900's. But it certainly doesn't help that Democrats have promoted dependency within urban communities.

Cthulhu
11-08-2017, 08:07 PM
How many mass hammerings were there in the last 18 months?When the argument of total deaths is what we're talking about, I don't care about "mass" anything. I care about total numbers, not sensational talking points.

Sent from my evil cell phone.

silvereyes
11-08-2017, 08:10 PM
If I had a history of lying you might have a point Safety, but I don't, so you don't.

Ok, Safety, love ya man. Howevvvvvver, hanger is one of the few cons here I fully respect. (The others have their moments.... Lol) He doesn't lie. In fact, he will defend us "libs" when he sees us wronged.

Mister D
11-08-2017, 08:27 PM
Oh, right. Well, they do ask why, but only in the most superficial and shallow way possible. That is why their answer to the problem is always more gun control, because they cannot or will not see past the surface of the problem.



I've said repeatedly that drug prohibition is probably the number one source of the violence insofar as its abolition would significantly reduce turf wars between rival gangs. It's the same thing that happened during alcohol prohibition in the early 1900's. But it certainly doesn't help that Democrats have promoted dependency within urban communities.
Not challenging your view but a question occurred to me: repressive drug laws are not unique to the US but they appear to result in a great deal more violence in the US. Why is that, IYO?

Kacper
11-08-2017, 08:29 PM
Not really. That useless gotcha needs to die, to be shot and put out of its misery, so to speak.

Guns are designed to kill. I did not say they were designed to kill humans necessarily. The only way you "project force" is by "threatening to kill".

Chris
11-08-2017, 08:45 PM
Guns are designed to kill. I did not say they were designed to kill humans necessarily. The only way you "project force" is by "threatening to kill".

Are guns only designed for killing?: "What? No. Of course not. Here's a few guns I have that we're not at all designed to kill anything: ...Flare gun...Nail Gun...Nerf Gun...Tranquilizer Gun...Tazer/Stun Gun...."

Repeating a non-argument is not an argument.

Ignoring counterarguments is dismissive.

Ethereal
11-08-2017, 08:45 PM
Not challenging your view but a question occurred to me: repressive drug laws are not unique to the US but they appear to result in a great deal more violence in the US. Why is that, IYO?

The dissolution of traditional social structures, specifically, families and communities.

Mister D
11-08-2017, 08:48 PM
The dissolution of traditional social structures, specifically, families and communities.
Interesting point. The US is where the dissolution wrought by modernity is best exemplified. I don't think there is even a challenger in that regard.

Cthulhu
11-08-2017, 09:08 PM
Not challenging your view but a question occurred to me: repressive drug laws are not unique to the US but they appear to result in a great deal more violence in the US. Why is that, IYO?Our freedom is greater - for the time being. But we also have greater access to weaponry.

And the younger generations have less impulse control than their forbears.

Sent from my evil cell phone.

resister
11-08-2017, 09:27 PM
Well they are designed for killing even if they are not always used that way unless you want to throw in nail guns
Yeah, those pesky ass beer cans, deserved it!

Kacper
11-09-2017, 04:58 AM
Are guns only designed for killing? (http://Are guns only designed for killing?): "What? No. Of course not. Here's a few guns I have that we're not at all designed to kill anything: ...Flare gun...Nail Gun...Nerf Gun...Tranquilizer Gun...Tazer/Stun Gun...."

Repeating a non-argument is not an argument.

Ignoring counterarguments is dismissive.

I already raised the "unless you want to throw in nail guns" so nice fail in refusing to acknowledge reality by taking absurd out of context semantics as your only port in the storm....and flare guns are pyrotechnical signaling devices easily replaced by non-"gun" forms.

Kacper
11-09-2017, 04:59 AM
Yeah, those pesky ass beer cans, deserved it!
The yellow jackets swarming around them certainly did

Crepitus
11-09-2017, 08:23 AM
So you just blurted out "rationalization" for no apparent reason other than something handy to dismiss and argument.

Only because that's what that fella was doing.

Crepitus
11-09-2017, 08:24 AM
When the argument of total deaths is what we're talking about, I don't care about "mass" anything. I care about total numbers, not sensational talking points.

Sent from my evil cell phone.

So, how many total hammerings were there in that last 18 months?

Chris
11-09-2017, 09:46 AM
Only because that's what that fella was doing.

You've been asked to explain, not dismiss or repeat.

Chris
11-09-2017, 09:47 AM
I already raised the "unless you want to throw in nail guns" so nice fail in refusing to acknowledge reality by taking absurd out of context semantics as your only port in the storm....and flare guns are pyrotechnical signaling devices easily replaced by non-"gun" forms.

Why should I acknowledge your personal reality? Guns were designed to kill is the absurdity here. It's unthinking pablum.

Abby08
11-09-2017, 09:58 AM
Guns were designed to kill, they were for protection of family, self and, homestead, they were used for the killing of animals, for food.

At their inception, the purpose was for killing, whether it was another human being or, an animal. Nail guns and flare guns were not even on the landscape back then.

I don't see any other reason, except target shooting, that is the purpose of guns, except killing something.

How many people buy multiple guns, of different types, just for target shooting?

Chris
11-09-2017, 10:14 AM
Guns were designed to kill, they were for protection of family, self and, homestead, they were used for the killing of animals, for food.

At their inception, the purpose was for killing, whether it was another human being or, an animal. Nail guns and flare guns were not even on the landscape back then.

I don't see any other reason, except target shooting, that is the purpose of guns, except killing something.

How many people buy multiple guns, of different types, just for target shooting?


Right, because they were designed for war. Above I'm not disagreeing with that. What I'm disagreeing with is guns-were-designed-to-kill is a bogus argument when it comes to second amendment rights.

Abby08
11-09-2017, 10:17 AM
Right, because they were designed for war. Above I'm not disagreeing with that. What I'm disagreeing with is guns-were-designed-to-kill is a bogus argument when it comes to second amendment rights.

Ok. I understand what you're saying.

Cthulhu
11-09-2017, 10:30 AM
So, how many total hammerings were there in that last 18 months?Don't know. You could Google it.

Sent from my evil cell phone.

Chris
11-09-2017, 10:48 AM
Don't know. You could Google it.

Sent from my evil cell phone.


I did, and this is what I find: How many people around the world are drunk right now? (https://www.quora.com/How-many-people-around-the-world-are-drunk-right-now)


Let's do some quick calculations:

World population = 7.1 billion
Around 1.4 billion live in extreme poverty (< $1.25 per day)
Let us assume that these people cannot afford liquor, food being their primary concern

Remaining population = 7.1 - 1.4 = 5.7 billion
Percentage of population under 18 (legal drinking age in many countries) = ~33% (one-third)

Hence, Population that can afford and legally drink = .67 * 5.7 = 3.8 billion

Assuming only 10% of people drink regularly, we have 380 million people sample size

Let's say these people only drink once a month and the normal drinking session lasts 2 hours.

Hence, at any given time,
380 million * 2 hours/month / 24*30 hours/month = 1 million people (approx).

Hence, at any given time, 1 million people are drunk or getting drunk.

Bethere
11-09-2017, 11:33 AM
Right, because they were designed for war. Above I'm not disagreeing with that. What I'm disagreeing with is guns-were-designed-to-kill is a bogus argument when it comes to second amendment rights.
Nonsense, and it isn't your place to belittle another poster and his/her argument.

Bethere
11-09-2017, 11:34 AM
Ok. I understand what you're saying.

You were right. Don't let him beat you down.

resister
11-09-2017, 11:39 AM
Nonsense, and it isn't your place to belittle another poster and his/her argument.
When did you get made into a Mod?:rollseyes:

stjames1_53
11-09-2017, 11:39 AM
Nonsense, and it isn't your place to belittle another poster and his/her argument.
he belittled no one and the person he responded to took no offense. Quit putting your nose in someone else's business

resister
11-09-2017, 12:03 PM
he belittled no one and the person he responded to took no offense. Quit putting your nose in someone else's businessIt is one of his tactics, he attempts to stir up shit between members on the other side, when there is none, then sit back and snicker, on the rare occasions that people don't see right through it.

AZ Jim
11-09-2017, 12:06 PM
you live close enough to come get mine.Big talk!!!

Cannons Front
11-09-2017, 12:19 PM
Guns were designed to kill, they were for protection of family, self and, homestead, they were used for the killing of animals, for food.
At their inception, the purpose was for killing, whether it was another human being or, an animal. Nail guns and flare guns were not even on the landscape back then.
I don't see any other reason, except target shooting, that is the purpose of guns, except killing something.
How many people buy multiple guns, of different types, just for target shooting?

Most people that have multiple guns of different types buy them to target shoot, or hunt different game, or just collect because they want one.
I have a 12 gauge, Actually it is a Winchester 1969 Military model with bayonet lug. I own it because I want to, I do not hunt with it, I guess I could but it was not designed for that, I do target shoot with it, and it is a impressive home defense weapon with or without the bayonet. I have a 9mm that I carry from time to time, I own it for personal protection and to target shoot. I have an AR-15 built it myself, Just for target shooting, but it is an effective home defense weapon as well. then there are the Black Powder guns, 2 Army Colts 1860, A Remington Army .44, a 1859 Sharps, an Enfield and a 61 Springfield. Used to re-enact, now just shoot them for fun.

But if I wanted to be a hunter, I would need a different Shotgun, maybe a Rifle if I want to hunt outside Ohio, maybe a large caliber revolver. Depending on what you hunt and where you hunt 2 or 5 different weapons are not out of the ordinary.

Cannons Front
11-09-2017, 12:33 PM
How many mass hammerings were there in the last 18 months?

Well maybe not mass killings but the averages say about 750 people were killed in the us by Blunt object attacks, during that same period averages say about 350 were killed using a Rifle of any type. So based on the averages you are twice as likely to be beat to death with a blunt object than you are at being shot with any type rifle or shotgun...... ask the FBI https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s

stjames1_53
11-09-2017, 12:36 PM
Big talk!!!

nope. come see for yourself

Crepitus
11-09-2017, 01:30 PM
Don't know. You could Google it.

Sent from my evil cell phone.

I did. There were none according to google.

Crepitus
11-09-2017, 01:31 PM
Well maybe not mass killings but the averages say about 750 people were killed in the us by Blunt object attacks, during that same period averages say about 350 were killed using a Rifle of any type. So based on the averages you are twice as likely to be beat to death with a blunt object than you are at being shot with any type rifle or shotgun...... ask the FBI https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s

Hand guns need to be included.

Crepitus
11-09-2017, 01:34 PM
I did, and this is what I find: How many people around the world are drunk right now? (https://www.quora.com/How-many-people-around-the-world-are-drunk-right-now)

Gotta Google "how many people were killed with a hammer"

Chris
11-09-2017, 01:47 PM
Gotta Google "how many people were killed with a hammer"

Oh, I searched on hammered people. I was surprised how many.

Cannons Front
11-09-2017, 02:28 PM
Hand guns need to be included.

No you would like them to be included, the majority of "MASS" shootings like the one this past week involved rifles, the majority of the gun control talk is always about assault weapons, but the numbers they always cite are not just limited to rifles. Odd isn't it....

silvereyes
11-09-2017, 02:46 PM
Don't know. You could Google it.

Sent from my evil cell phone.

Well, that was no fun. I googled it...hoping for something funny. Nada. ;)

silvereyes
11-09-2017, 02:50 PM
Most people that have multiple guns of different types buy them to target shoot, or hunt different game, or just collect because they want one.
I have a 12 gauge, Actually it is a Winchester 1969 Military model with bayonet lug. I own it because I want to, I do not hunt with it, I guess I could but it was not designed for that, I do target shoot with it, and it is a impressive home defense weapon with or without the bayonet. I have a 9mm that I carry from time to time, I own it for personal protection and to target shoot. I have an AR-15 built it myself, Just for target shooting, but it is an effective home defense weapon as well. then there are the Black Powder guns, 2 Army Colts 1860, A Remington Army .44, a 1859 Sharps, an Enfield and a 61 Springfield. Used to re-enact, now just shoot them for fun.

But if I wanted to be a hunter, I would need a different Shotgun, maybe a Rifle if I want to hunt outside Ohio, maybe a large caliber revolver. Depending on what you hunt and where you hunt 2 or 5 different weapons are not out of the ordinary.
Bring yer big uns to kill these bad boys in Texas:

https://www.google.com/search?q=shooting+giant+texas+mosquitoes&client=ms-android-motorola&prmd=vin&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj30sqyobLXAhUL2WMKHUvADaQQ_AUIEygC&biw=320&bih=441#imgrc=O_7xCBkBGsjIPM:

silvereyes
11-09-2017, 02:51 PM
Oh, I searched on hammered people. I was surprised how many.

Did you find pictures of jimmyz and resister? :)

jimmyz
11-09-2017, 03:04 PM
Did you find pictures of @jimmyz (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1173) and @resister (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=2122)? :)

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ocSt-MwS-as/maxresdefault.jpg

Crepitus
11-09-2017, 04:49 PM
No you would like them to be included, the majority of "MASS" shootings like the one this past week involved rifles, the majority of the gun control talk is always about assault weapons, but the numbers they always cite are not just limited to rifles. Odd isn't it....

No. You put rifles up against all blunt instruments. How many mass bludgeoning incidents in the last 18 months again?

resister
11-09-2017, 07:24 PM
[QUOTE=Cannons Front;2207742]Most people that have multiple guns of different types buy them to target shoot, or hunt different game, or just collect because they want one.
I have a 12 gauge, Actually it is a Winchester 1969 Military model with bayonet lug. I own it because I want to, I do not hunt with it, I guess I could but it was not designed for that, I do target shoot with it, and it is a impressive home defense weapon with or without the bayonet. I have a 9mm that I carry from time to time, I own it for personal protection and to target shoot. I have an AR-15 built it myself, Just for target shooting, but it is an effective home defense weapon as well. then there are the Black Powder guns, 2 Army Colts 1860, A Remington Army .44, a 1859 Sharps, an Enfield and a 61 Springfield. Used to re-enact, now just shoot them for fun.

But if I wanted to be a hunter, I would need a different Shotgun, maybe a Rifle if I want to hunt outside Ohio, maybe a large caliber revolver. Depending on what you hunt and where you hunt 2 or 5 different weapons are not out of the ordinary.[/QUOTE Cannons Front here are my 44's, I dropped a hog with the Remington, clone. Do you cast bullets?20970

stjames1_53
11-09-2017, 08:36 PM
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ocSt-MwS-as/maxresdefault.jpg

looks like y'all bagged yer limit on panda.....................

resister
11-09-2017, 08:37 PM
looks like y'all bagged yer limit on panda.....................
Probably, beer cans. lol

stjames1_53
11-09-2017, 08:49 PM
No. You put rifles up against all blunt instruments. How many mass bludgeoning incidents in the last 18 months again?
total firearm in 2014 (it is the most current info)

http://2378nh2nfow32gm3mb25krmuyy.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/HomicidebyWeapon2014.png

In 2014, 248 people were killed by rifles. Rifles would include “assault weapons”. Thus, more people are killed by knives than by assault weapons. Indeed, more than twice as many people are killed by “hands, fists, feet, etc.” than by assault weapons. (Some of these numbers could change slightly with “Firearms, type not stated” although most of these are probably handguns).
The data may be uncomfortable to both left and the right. The left because banning “rifles” would obviously not save many lives even if one assumed no substitution effect towards other weapons and banning “assault weapons”, however defined, would do even less. The right because handguns are by far the primary weapon used to kill.

http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2016/06/fbi-homicide-data-by-weapon.html

These are the ones that actually get counted. Not all police departments relay this information, so thee's a lot that goes unreported to the DOJ and FBI

Crepitus
11-09-2017, 08:56 PM
total firearm in 2014 (it is the most current info)

http://2378nh2nfow32gm3mb25krmuyy.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/HomicidebyWeapon2014.png

In 2014, 248 people were killed by rifles. Rifles would include “assault weapons”. Thus, more people are killed by knives than by assault weapons. Indeed, more than twice as many people are killed by “hands, fists, feet, etc.” than by assault weapons. (Some of these numbers could change slightly with “Firearms, type not stated” although most of these are probably handguns).
The data may be uncomfortable to both left and the right. The left because banning “rifles” would obviously not save many lives even if one assumed no substitution effect towards other weapons and banning “assault weapons”, however defined, would do even less. The right because handguns are by far the primary weapon used to kill.

http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2016/06/fbi-homicide-data-by-weapon.html

These are the ones that actually get counted. Not all police departments relay this information, so thee's a lot that goes unreported to the DOJ and FBI

Ok, so then I should expect your support on handgun control right?

resister
11-09-2017, 09:01 PM
Ok, so then I should expect your support on handgun control right?
The proper grip and stance, is essential in controlling a pistol.