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Common
11-07-2017, 06:12 PM
Favorable views of the Democratic Party have dropped to their lowest mark in more than a quarter century of polling, according to new numbers from a CNN poll conducted by SSRS (http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2017/images/11/07/rel11b_-_2018_and_taxes.pdf).Only 37% of Americans have a favorable opinion of Democrats, down from 44% in March of this year. A majority, 54%, have an unfavorable view, matching their highest mark in polls from CNN and SSRS, CNN/ORC and CNN/USA Today/Gallup stretching back to 1992.

The rating includes low favorable ratings from some core Democratic groups, including nonwhites (48%) and people under 35 years old (33%). The numbers come amid recent feuds and divisions in the Democratic Party, as former interim chair Donna Brazile's new book has unveiled new questions about infighting during the 2016 presidential campaign.
But the Republican Party isn't doing any better, with just 30% of Americans holding a favorable view. That's essentially the same as September, when the rating hit its lowest point in polling back to 1992 (http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/24/politics/cnn-poll-republican-party-approval/index.html), but down from 42% in March. A broad 6 in 10, 61%, have an unfavorable opinion.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/07/politics/cnn-poll-republicans-democrats-taxes/index.html

Grokmaster
11-07-2017, 08:42 PM
Turning the lights on the roaches always leads to disgust....


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Peter1469
11-07-2017, 09:10 PM
I think both parties are having trust issues with Americans. The Dems are stuck in identity politics which kills them in the electoral college. The GOP is controlled by the establishment that largely gets along with the Dems (outside of identity politics- spending. More spending.).

Adelaide
11-07-2017, 10:44 PM
I think both parties are having trust issues with Americans. The Dems are stuck in identity politics which kills them in the electoral college. The GOP is controlled by the establishment that largely gets along with the Dems (outside of identity politics- spending. More spending.).

I would agree that both have issues. The Democrats are probably a little worse for wear because their guaranteed candidate didn't take the White House. The process of nominating and supporting Clinton involved a lot of questionable behavior by many top DNC officials, which would scare off or make a lot of rational Democrats wary. Republicans are still riding the wave, to some extent, although the dysfunction there is pretty obvious.

Neither party deserves the trust or respect of anyone at this point.

leekohler2
11-07-2017, 10:52 PM
I would agree that both have issues. The Democrats are probably a little worse for wear because their guaranteed candidate didn't take the White House. The process of nominating and supporting Clinton involved a lot of questionable behavior by many top DNC officials, which would scare off or make a lot of rational Democrats wary. Republicans are still riding the wave, to some extent, although the dysfunction there is pretty obvious.

Neither party deserves the trust or respect of anyone at this point.
Here's the thing- one party will implode and eventually figure it out. The other will elect a reality show host and be proud of it. They'll go even lower if asked and give up any value they supposedly hold dear, just to win. They'll even go so far as to enlist the help of a sworn enemy of our country to win. And when faced with that reality, won't care.

So you tell me who's worse, Adelaide.

I'm proud of my country. It enabled me to be what I am today. Was a poor kid. Now I'm an upper middle class guy. All I see with the current GOP is effort to keep people like me in my "place". It'll be a damn cold day in hell before I let that happen. I will not let the GOP keep trying to keep people down. I went through it in the 80s, I will not let it continue. The GOP tried to bury us gay people with AIDS in the 80s.

There is a worse group of people. And they're still here. Yes, I have a chip on my shoulder, you're damn right I do. I watched many of my friends die while the GOP laughed. That will never be forgotten by me.

The GOP will feel me fighting against them until the day I die. Fuck them. They fucked me and the people I loved. They can go straight to hell.

One group is definitely better than the other. Do not ever tell me otherwise.

Tell me which one you respect more.

Here's the thing, they never expected people like me would live long enough to tell our stories.

Common
11-08-2017, 12:57 AM
Here's the thing- one party will implode and eventually figure it out. The other will elect a reality show host and be proud of it. They'll go even lower if asked and give up any value they supposedly hold dear, just to win. They'll even go so far as to enlist the help of a sworn enemy of our country to win. And when faced with that reality, won't care.

So you tell me who's worse, Adelaide.

I'm proud of my country. It enabled me to be what I am today. Was a poor kid. Now I'm an upper middle class guy. All I see with the current GOP is effort to keep people like me in my "place". It'll be a damn cold day in hell before I let that happen. I will not let the GOP keep trying to keep people down. I went through it in the 80s, I will not let it continue. The GOP tried to bury us gay people with AIDS in the 80s.

There is a worse group of people. And they're still here. Yes, I have a chip on my shoulder, you're damn right I do. I watched many of my friends die while the GOP laughed. That will never be forgotten by me.

The GOP will feel me fighting against them until the day I die. Fuck them. They fucked me and the people I loved. They can go straight to hell.

One group is definitely better than the other. Do not ever tell me otherwise.



Tell me which one you respect more.

Here's the thing, they never expected people like me would live long enough to tell our stories.


Opinions are like you know what and yours is of no value over anyone elses when it comes to politics or anything else

Theres an epidemic right now in the gay community they are calling a crisis and I posted it here.
The media because of POLITICAL CORRECTNESS is ignoring it

Captdon
11-08-2017, 03:27 PM
Here's the thing- one party will implode and eventually figure it out. The other will elect a reality show host and be proud of it. They'll go even lower if asked and give up any value they supposedly hold dear, just to win. They'll even go so far as to enlist the help of a sworn enemy of our country to win. And when faced with that reality, won't care.

So you tell me who's worse, Adelaide.

I'm proud of my country. It enabled me to be what I am today. Was a poor kid. Now I'm an upper middle class guy. All I see with the current GOP is effort to keep people like me in my "place". It'll be a damn cold day in hell before I let that happen. I will not let the GOP keep trying to keep people down. I went through it in the 80s, I will not let it continue. The GOP tried to bury us gay people with AIDS in the 80s.

There is a worse group of people. And they're still here. Yes, I have a chip on my shoulder, you're damn right I do. I watched many of my friends die while the GOP laughed. That will never be forgotten by me.

The GOP will feel me fighting against them until the day I die. $#@! them. They $#@!ed me and the people I loved. They can go straight to hell.

One group is definitely better than the other. Do not ever tell me otherwise.

Tell me which one you respect more.

Here's the thing, they never expected people like me would live long enough to tell our stories.

Democrats don't give a rat's ass about anybody. Gay are you? George Bush did more for Aids than any President before or since. Oh, shit, he's a Republican.

I watched liberals kill 58,000 men in a war they didn't try to win. F### Democrats and their policies.

Mister D
11-08-2017, 03:29 PM
Here's the thing- one party will implode and eventually figure it out. The other will elect a reality show host and be proud of it. They'll go even lower if asked and give up any value they supposedly hold dear, just to win. They'll even go so far as to enlist the help of a sworn enemy of our country to win. And when faced with that reality, won't care.

So you tell me who's worse, Adelaide.

I'm proud of my country. It enabled me to be what I am today. Was a poor kid. Now I'm an upper middle class guy. All I see with the current GOP is effort to keep people like me in my "place". It'll be a damn cold day in hell before I let that happen. I will not let the GOP keep trying to keep people down. I went through it in the 80s, I will not let it continue. The GOP tried to bury us gay people with AIDS in the 80s.

There is a worse group of people. And they're still here. Yes, I have a chip on my shoulder, you're damn right I do. I watched many of my friends die while the GOP laughed. That will never be forgotten by me.

The GOP will feel me fighting against them until the day I die. $#@! them. They $#@!ed me and the people I loved. They can go straight to hell.

One group is definitely better than the other. Do not ever tell me otherwise.

Tell me which one you respect more.

Here's the thing, they never expected people like me would live long enough to tell our stories.
lol

leekohler2
11-08-2017, 03:38 PM
Democrats don't give a rat's ass about anybody. Gay are you? George Bush did more for Aids than any President before or since. Oh, $#@!, he's a Republican.

As someone who lived through that s*** and lost a lot of friends, DO NOT try to rewrite history:

https://www.blackaids.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=859:30-year-aids-report-card-which-presidents-make-the-grade&catid=87:news-2011&Itemid=55

I won't let you do that.

Cannons Front
11-08-2017, 03:40 PM
Here's the thing- one party will implode and eventually figure it out. The other will elect a reality show host and be proud of it. They'll go even lower if asked and give up any value they supposedly hold dear, just to win. They'll even go so far as to enlist the help of a sworn enemy of our country to win. And when faced with that reality, won't care.
So you tell me who's worse, Adelaide.
I'm proud of my country. It enabled me to be what I am today. Was a poor kid. Now I'm an upper middle class guy. All I see with the current GOP is effort to keep people like me in my "place". It'll be a damn cold day in hell before I let that happen. I will not let the GOP keep trying to keep people down. I went through it in the 80s, I will not let it continue. The GOP tried to bury us gay people with AIDS in the 80s.
There is a worse group of people. And they're still here. Yes, I have a chip on my shoulder, you're damn right I do. I watched many of my friends die while the GOP laughed. That will never be forgotten by me.
The GOP will feel me fighting against them until the day I die. $#@! them. They $#@!ed me and the people I loved. They can go straight to hell.
One group is definitely better than the other. Do not ever tell me otherwise.
Tell me which one you respect more.
Here's the thing, they never expected people like me would live long enough to tell our stories.


Ok I know that I am going to regret this but...... HOW did "The GOP tried to bury us gay people with AIDS in the 80s."

Ransom
11-08-2017, 03:41 PM
I think both parties are having trust issues with Americans. The Dems are stuck in identity politics which kills them in the electoral college. The GOP is controlled by the establishment that largely gets along with the Dems (outside of identity politics- spending. More spending.).

The GOP is controlled by the Establishment is the reason Trump got elected?

Ransom
11-08-2017, 03:42 PM
Here's the thing- one party will implode and eventually figure it out. The other will elect a reality show host and be proud of it. They'll go even lower if asked and give up any value they supposedly hold dear, just to win. They'll even go so far as to enlist the help of a sworn enemy of our country to win. And when faced with that reality, won't care.

So you tell me who's worse, Adelaide.

I'm proud of my country. It enabled me to be what I am today. Was a poor kid. Now I'm an upper middle class guy. All I see with the current GOP is effort to keep people like me in my "place". It'll be a damn cold day in hell before I let that happen. I will not let the GOP keep trying to keep people down. I went through it in the 80s, I will not let it continue. The GOP tried to bury us gay people with AIDS in the 80s.

There is a worse group of people. And they're still here. Yes, I have a chip on my shoulder, you're damn right I do. I watched many of my friends die while the GOP laughed. That will never be forgotten by me.

The GOP will feel me fighting against them until the day I die. $#@! them. They $#@!ed me and the people I loved. They can go straight to hell.

One group is definitely better than the other. Do not ever tell me otherwise.

Tell me which one you respect more.

Here's the thing, they never expected people like me would live long enough to tell our stories.
The GOP tried to bury 'you gay people' with AIDS in the 80s?

:biglaugh:

What a f'n joke

Ransom
11-08-2017, 03:45 PM
Ok I know that I am going to regret this but...... HOW did "The GOP tried to bury us gay people with AIDS in the 80s."

Gay men played Russian roulette and lost. Engaging in the most risky and deadly act there was....and needed someone to blame. They committed community suicide, nearly genocide themselves, and as a result, need someone to blame for their irresponsibility and immoral behaviors.

leekohler2
11-08-2017, 03:52 PM
Ok I know that I am going to regret this but...... HOW did "The GOP tried to bury us gay people with AIDS in the 80s."
You don't remember much, do you? They danced on our graves and laughed and much worse:


On Monday, a sizable smattering of Twitter users reacted (https://twitter.com/annfriedman/status/407622281418928129) with shock (https://twitter.com/bendreyfuss/status/407623652432035840/photo/1) over a reposted transcript (http://www.sexartandpolitics.com/post/46554393072/october-15-1982-white-house-press-briefing) of a 1982 Reagan administration press conference at which Press Secretary Larry Speakes made a series of lighthearted jokes about AIDS. (Sample quote: “I don’t have it. Do you?”) Perhaps most chilling, on six occasions, the transcript indicates “(Laughter).” At this point, of course, AIDS—then known as GRID (http://www.nytimes.com/1982/05/11/science/new-homosexual-disorder-worries-health-officials.html), for gay-related immunodeficiency—had recently emerged as a new epidemic primarily ravaging gay men. Among the LGBTQ community, the Speakes moment is infamous, a single harrowing symbol for the administration’s cruelly callous dismissal of the epidemic. So why does a simple transcript of the event still shock and startle millennials—31 years after the fact?There are a number of reasons behind mainstream culture’s depressing ignorance of AIDS history, but it mostly boils down to this: Many of the men and women who would remember it best are dead. The loss of more than 630,000 U.S. citizens to HIV/AIDS since the onset of the crisis has left a generational gap that no amount of movies (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0001I2BUI/?tag=slatmaga-20), plays (http://www.thenormalheartbroadway.com/), or commemorative days (http://www.worldaidsday.org/) can fill. An entire generation of gay artists (http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2013/11/18/gay_art_mentorship_and_aids_gap_qam_against_assimi lation.html), athletes, and activists died in the course of fighting the disease. But perhaps the most glaring sign of this gap is the lack of education regarding LGBTQ history in the United States. Many young people outside of California (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/14/california-gay-history-law-jerry-brown_n_898745.html) go through their entire primary education without hearing as much as a whisper about gay rights or gay history in the classroom. It’s all too logical that millennials, gay or straight, would be unfamiliar with a 31-year old White House press conference transcript. Many might be surprised to learn, too, that gays and lesbians were persecuted during the Holocaust, or that a pre-HRC gay rights movement fought alongside the American civil-rights movement throughout the ’60s and ’70s. After all, it took more than four decades for a sitting U.S. president to mention the 1969 Stonewall riots in a major speech (http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2013/01/22/169984209/stonewall-explaining-obamas-historic-gay-rights-reference).

Compounding the problem is the near-total lack of discussion about gay sex during sex education. Ronald Reagan—who famously asked (http://www.nytimes.com/1987/04/02/us/reagan-urges-abstinence-for-young-to-avoid-aids.html), “When it comes to preventing AIDS, don't medicine and morality teach the same lessons?”—would approve of this silence. But in practice, it only leads to more shame, more confusion, and more infections. That battle still rages today, with conservative legislators attempting to ban even the smallest mention of LGBTQ issues during sex ed (http://www.salon.com/2013/03/27/tennessee_dont_say_gay_bill_dies_again/). (And that’s only among those progressive enough to support sex ed in the first place.) It’s no wonder that unprotected sex between men who have sex with men is on the rise (http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2013/12/02/bareback_sex_on_the_rise_can_unprotected_sex_ever_ be_safe_or_are_condoms.html), with an attendant increase in sexually transmitted infections.

The GOP’s heinous legacy of HIV/AIDS silence—and censorship—continues today. In 2010, John Boehner spearheaded a successful censorship campaign (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/07/opinion/07tue4.html?_r=0) against a gay artist who died of AIDS; David Wojnarowicz’s video installation “A Fire in My Belly (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHRCwQeKCuo),” was later removed from the National Portrait Gallery. While many credit President George W. Bush’s initiatives (http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-07-26/opinions/35487798_1_african-countries-pepfar-antiretroviral-treatment) to combat AIDS in Africa, far fewer people will remember his party’s efforts to cut funding for HIV/AIDS research by staggering amounts (http://www.theaidsinstitute.org/node/233) in 2011. In the same year, Republicans also re-enacted a ban on federal spending for needle exchanges (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/social-issues/endgame-aids-in-black-america/despite-show-of-support-federal-funding-ban-on-needle-exchange-unlikely-to-be-lifted-anytime-soon/), which help to combat drug-related HIV infections.

This counterproductive party line on HIV began, of course, with Ronald Reagan, who didn’t mention AIDS until six years after the disease was identified. Thanks, in part, to his administration, the epidemic was seen as a hilarious punch line instead of a growing epidemic. During Statue of Liberty rededication festivities in 1986, still a year away from his first mention of the rapidly spreading disease, Reagan honored comedian Bob Hope (http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/speeches/1986/70386d.htm), who quipped about Lady Liberty contracting HIV (http://articles.latimes.com/1986-07-30/local/me-18831_1_miss-liberty-bob-hope-hope-s-joke). “Nobody knows if she got it from the mouth of the Hudson or the Staten Island Ferry,” Hope joked. More than 100,000 New Yorkers (http://nycaidsmemorial.org/aids-statistics) would go on to die from the disease. But many millennials probably aren’t aware of that

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2013/12/03/hiv_history_on_twitter_have_we_forgotten_the_aids_ crisis_already.html

There's a lot more out there if you really want to look. Don't even get me started on what people like Jerry Falwell did.

Ransom
11-08-2017, 03:53 PM
Here's the thing- one party will implode and eventually figure it out. The other will elect a reality show host and be proud of it. They'll go even lower if asked and give up any value they supposedly hold dear, just to win. They'll even go so far as to enlist the help of a sworn enemy of our country to win. And when faced with that reality, won't care.

So you tell me who's worse, Adelaide.

I'm proud of my country. It enabled me to be what I am today. Was a poor kid. Now I'm an upper middle class guy. All I see with the current GOP is effort to keep people like me in my "place". It'll be a damn cold day in hell before I let that happen. I will not let the GOP keep trying to keep people down. I went through it in the 80s, I will not let it continue. The GOP tried to bury us gay people with AIDS in the 80s.

There is a worse group of people. And they're still here. Yes, I have a chip on my shoulder, you're damn right I do. I watched many of my friends die while the GOP laughed. That will never be forgotten by me.

The GOP will feel me fighting against them until the day I die. $#@! them. They $#@!ed me and the people I loved. They can go straight to hell.

One group is definitely better than the other. Do not ever tell me otherwise.

Tell me which one you respect more.

Here's the thing, they never expected people like me would live long enough to tell our stories.
You're lying and not the least bit credible. No one ever laughed at you, what we said was "we told you so, Idiots"

Ransom
11-08-2017, 03:54 PM
Such a f'n victim

Ransom
11-08-2017, 03:59 PM
The loss of more than 630,000 U.S. citizens to HIV/AIDS since the onset of the crisis has left a generational gap that no amount of movies (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0001I2BUI/?tag=slatmaga-20), plays (http://www.thenormalheartbroadway.com/), or commemorative days (http://www.worldaidsday.org/) can fill.

That from Lee's article. So....forget the laughing.....or mocking.....the dancing on the graves and other ridiculous accusation.....who in God's name was perpetrating this holocaust?

That's correct. Gay men. Who were engaged in high risk sexual contact with multiple partners and that is why they wiped out an entire generation of gay men. Absolute holocaust, some should be prosecuted. In fact, if Lee was alive then and actively engaged, I'd start with him. Second degree murder is what I'd charge.

Refugee
11-08-2017, 04:24 PM
And despite all the warnings, some continue to practice homosexuality, others continue to take drugs … with predictable results. Who cares. I smoke and so I suppose I’m high risk of cancer. Should that ever happen I won’t be blaming politicians or society.

The Xl
11-08-2017, 05:00 PM
They stand for nothing and are peddling a comical conspiracy theory. Why would they be popular?

nic34
11-08-2017, 05:06 PM
Favorable views of the Democratic Party have dropped to their lowest mark in more than a quarter century of polling, according to new numbers from a CNN poll conducted by SSRS (http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2017/images/11/07/rel11b_-_2018_and_taxes.pdf).Only 37% of Americans have a favorable opinion of Democrats, down from 44% in March of this year. A majority, 54%, have an unfavorable view, matching their highest mark in polls from CNN and SSRS, CNN/ORC and CNN/USA Today/Gallup stretching back to 1992.

The rating includes low favorable ratings from some core Democratic groups, including nonwhites (48%) and people under 35 years old (33%). The numbers come amid recent feuds and divisions in the Democratic Party, as former interim chair Donna Brazile's new book has unveiled new questions about infighting during the 2016 presidential campaign.
But the Republican Party isn't doing any better, with just 30% of Americans holding a favorable view. That's essentially the same as September, when the rating hit its lowest point in polling back to 1992 (http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/24/politics/cnn-poll-republican-party-approval/index.html), but down from 42% in March. A broad 6 in 10, 61%, have an unfavorable opinion.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/07/politics/cnn-poll-republicans-democrats-taxes/index.html

Old news is worse than fake.
Check the numbers now, repubs are losing ground fast especially locally. Get ready.

leekohler2
11-08-2017, 05:09 PM
Old news is worse than fake.
Check the numbers now, repubs are losing ground fast especially locally. Get ready.

Nah, this last election was all voter fraud. :rollseyes:

Grokmaster
11-08-2017, 05:37 PM
Favorable views of the Democratic Party have dropped to their lowest mark in more than a quarter century of polling, according to new numbers from a CNN poll conducted by SSRS (http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2017/images/11/07/rel11b_-_2018_and_taxes.pdf).Only 37% of Americans have a favorable opinion of Democrats, down from 44% in March of this year. A majority, 54%, have an unfavorable view, matching their highest mark in polls from CNN and SSRS, CNN/ORC and CNN/USA Today/Gallup stretching back to 1992.

The rating includes low favorable ratings from some core Democratic groups, including nonwhites (48%) and people under 35 years old (33%). The numbers come amid recent feuds and divisions in the Democratic Party, as former interim chair Donna Brazile's new book has unveiled new questions about infighting during the 2016 presidential campaign.
But the Republican Party isn't doing any better, with just 30% of Americans holding a favorable view. That's essentially the same as September, when the rating hit its lowest point in polling back to 1992 (http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/24/politics/cnn-poll-republican-party-approval/index.html), but down from 42% in March. A broad 6 in 10, 61%, have an unfavorable opinion.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/07/politics/cnn-poll-republicans-democrats-taxes/index.html
No no !!! They're massively victorious...over less than 30% of the US' population, anyway....

Ransom
11-09-2017, 05:34 AM
Nah, this last election was all voter fraud. :rollseyes:

Apparently, it was about the GOP dancing on the graves of 1980 gay communities for some people.

barb012
11-09-2017, 08:58 AM
Favorable views of the Democratic Party have dropped to their lowest mark in more than a quarter century of polling, according to new numbers from a CNN poll conducted by SSRS (http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2017/images/11/07/rel11b_-_2018_and_taxes.pdf).Only 37% of Americans have a favorable opinion of Democrats, down from 44% in March of this year. A majority, 54%, have an unfavorable view, matching their highest mark in polls from CNN and SSRS, CNN/ORC and CNN/USA Today/Gallup stretching back to 1992.

The rating includes low favorable ratings from some core Democratic groups, including nonwhites (48%) and people under 35 years old (33%). The numbers come amid recent feuds and divisions in the Democratic Party, as former interim chair Donna Brazile's new book has unveiled new questions about infighting during the 2016 presidential campaign.
But the Republican Party isn't doing any better, with just 30% of Americans holding a favorable view. That's essentially the same as September, when the rating hit its lowest point in polling back to 1992 (http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/24/politics/cnn-poll-republican-party-approval/index.html), but down from 42% in March. A broad 6 in 10, 61%, have an unfavorable opinion.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/07/politics/cnn-poll-republicans-democrats-taxes/index.html

The polls asks under 1,100 people on their opinions and somehow this justifies what the rest of the population think too.