UN diplomat avoids arrest after punching wife in Brooklyn:

[Common]

This is just one reason they should throw the UN out of NYC, diplomatic immunity is ABSURD

A United Nations diplomat avoided arrest after he slugged his wife in the face during an early-morning fight in Brooklyn, police sources said.
Sehon Marshall, 46, got into an argument with his 36-year-old wife at their home on E 92nd St. by Ave. N in Canarsie around 1:15 a.m., according to sources.
Responding cops saw his wife’s lip split open and her finger swollen when they arrived at the house, sources said.

Marshall, who works for the Permanent Mission of St. Vincent and the Grenadines and has diplomatic immunity from prosecution, was not arrested, the sources said.

His wife refused medical attention.
The mission did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
The diplomat said he wasn’t aware that a police report had been filed and declined to comment Friday afternoon.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/diplomat-avoids-arrest-punching-wife-brooklyn-cops-article-1.3655265

[Peter1469]

I don't mind. It is much easier to spy on them here.

[stjames1_53]

I don't mind. It is much easier to spy on them here.
yes, yes it is

[donttread]

This is just one reason they should throw the UN out of NYC, diplomatic immunity is ABSURD

A United Nations diplomat avoided arrest after he slugged his wife in the face during an early-morning fight in Brooklyn, police sources said.
Sehon Marshall, 46, got into an argument with his 36-year-old wife at their home on E 92nd St. by Ave. N in Canarsie around 1:15 a.m., according to sources.
Responding cops saw his wife’s lip split open and her finger swollen when they arrived at the house, sources said.

Marshall, who works for the Permanent Mission of St. Vincent and the Grenadines and has diplomatic immunity from prosecution, was not arrested, the sources said.

His wife refused medical attention.
The mission did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
The diplomat said he wasn’t aware that a police report had been filed and declined to comment Friday afternoon.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/diplomat-avoids-arrest-punching-wife-brooklyn-cops-article-1.3655265

I get immunity to a point, but if we can't arrest him send him home. If her finger was damaged maybe she threw some punches to , if per chance she was the aggressor is she immune as well? We have enough domestic violence here , we don't need to import it.
Quit the UN and raise the rent until they leave.

[Common]

You beat your wife in NYC you go to jail, why should a diplomat be any different. He assaulted her hit her in the face, the article makes no reference to her hitting him, her finger could have been a defensive move or hurt if she fell. This guy walks why ? because hes a diplomat. Its bullshit

[Beevee]

You beat your wife in NYC you go to jail, why should a diplomat be any different. He assaulted her hit her in the face, the article makes no reference to her hitting him, her finger could have been a defensive move or hurt if she fell. This guy walks why ? because hes a diplomat. Its bull$#@!

Does that still apply if the wife refuses to testify?

[The Xl]

Diplomatic immunity is among the most disgraceful and barbaric practices in any country. Silly treaties don't supersede the constitution or any level of law, and a bunch of empty suits don't have a right to put foreigners ahead of our citizens.

If you were unsure that a caste system exists in our society, diplomatic immunity, and the fact that powerful wealthy people, politicians, and even lowly cops are immune or basically immune from prosecution should seal the deal. And even amongst the plebs, money and social status determines the rate of conviction and the harshness of the sentence. The system at large is a fraud and only stands to benefit the aforemented and those who profit from it, like the prison industry and judges and attorneys.

[Common]

Does that still apply if the wife refuses to testify?
If the Police are called to a domestic today whether its the husband or wife or a neighbor and reports theres been an assault. When the police get on the scene and no one wants to press charges, the Police use their experience and visual to determine as best they can who was the aggressor. Doesnt matter if its the husband or wife they get arrested, no charges are needed by the spouse any more. Thats a GREAT LAW when i was working if a battered woman wouldnt press charges our hands were tied, not that way any longer.

[Beevee]

If the Police are called to a domestic today whether its the husband or wife or a neighbor and reports theres been an assault. When the police get on the scene and no one wants to press charges, the Police use their experience and visual to determine as best they can who was the aggressor. Doesnt matter if its the husband or wife they get arrested, no charges are needed by the spouse any more. Thats a GREAT LAW when i was working if a battered woman wouldnt press charges our hands were tied, not that way any longer.

Thanks

[donttread]

You beat your wife in NYC you go to jail, why should a diplomat be any different. He assaulted her hit her in the face, the article makes no reference to her hitting him, her finger could have been a defensive move or hurt if she fell. This guy walks why ? because hes a diplomat. Its bullshit


Could be but cops don't really look for" reverse" domestic violence very well either. Immunity is so that we can't arrest diplomats for political ransom so to speak. But he should be sent home in disgrace.

[Peter1469]

I get immunity to a point, but if we can't arrest him send him home. If her finger was damaged maybe she threw some punches to , if per chance she was the aggressor is she immune as well? We have enough domestic violence here , we don't need to import it.
Quit the UN and raise the rent until they leave.
Yes, the State Department has tools to get the guy out. Under international law people with diplomatic immunity can be expelled from a country.

[Peter1469]

You beat your wife in NYC you go to jail, why should a diplomat be any different. He assaulted her hit her in the face, the article makes no reference to her hitting him, her finger could have been a defensive move or hurt if she fell. This guy walks why ? because hes a diplomat. Its bullshit

Because if we put this guy in jail his nation will put one of our diplomats in jail.

We have procedures to handle this. Follow them.

[Grokmaster]

Does that still apply if the wife refuses to testify?

Yes. It is up to the prosecutor.

[Cthulhu]

Because if we put this guy in jail his nation will put one of our diplomats in jail.

We have procedures to handle this. Follow them.When in Rome...

Sent from my evil cell phone.

[Peter1469]

When in Rome...

Sent from my evil cell phone.
persona non grata

problem solved

[donttread]

Because if we put this guy in jail his nation will put one of our diplomats in jail.

We have procedures to handle this. Follow them.

Or if tensions rise they'll take our diplomats prisoner or vic versa. Immunity , as distasteful as it is, prevents this. Having said that there are way too many damn diplomats and judging my the state of the world most of them aren't very good at what they do.

[The Xl]

persona non grata

problem solved

Persona non grata isn't an acceptable "punishment" in the event of some of these crimes.

[Peter1469]

Persona non grata isn't an acceptable "punishment" in the event of some of these crimes.

It gets them out of the country.

[The Xl]

It gets them out of the country.

That isn't good enough in certain instances. Diplomatic relations don't come before the constitution, law, and justice. This international treaty is a fraud.

[Peter1469]

That isn't good enough in certain instances. Diplomatic relations don't come before the constitution, law, and justice. This international treaty is a fraud.

We can disagree.

[donttread]

Persona non grata isn't an acceptable "punishment" in the event of some of these crimes.


We can always work with their home country to see if they are interested in pressing charges or waving the diplomatic immunity in that case. I do not take this lightly , however if he split her lip and she did not press charges or have him removed this has most likely happened before and will again.
Murder, rape, vehicular manslaughter , child molestation. All of those should cause us to work hard with the other country to assure that some sort of jutice is served somewhere. Of course, sadly even in America we have to remind people that a charge does not make one guilty.
Anyone know of any cases where an American diplomat has alledgedly committed crime in another country and how we handled that? Peter?

[Common]

Could be but cops don't really look for" reverse" domestic violence very well either. Immunity is so that we can't arrest diplomats for political ransom so to speak. But he should be sent home in disgrace.

Today they do and women do get arrrested in bigger numbers then you would think.

Years ago women always got away with domestic assault

[Adelaide]

I see the value in providing diplomatic immunity to high ranking officials from other countries and having that courtesy in return. It should be reserved for the highest ranking officials, though, and perhaps the most essential staff. It means that our diplomats and their staff should, in theory, be protected if something were to happen. The downside is that sometimes those with diplomatic immunity will abuse the privilege in the United States.

The person in the OP does not really seem like a high-ranking or essential staff member who should have diplomatic immunity.

[resister]

I see the value in providing diplomatic immunity to high ranking officials from other countries and having that courtesy in return. It should be reserved for the highest ranking officials, though, and perhaps the most essential staff. It means that our diplomats and their staff should, in theory, be protected if something were to happen. The downside is that sometimes those with diplomatic immunity will abuse the privilege in the United States.

The person in the OP does not really seem like a high-ranking or essential staff member who should have diplomatic immunity.
Is it OK if they go scott free for serious crimes? Rape, assault, or even murder? Kidnapping, robbery?

[Adelaide]

Is it OK if they go scott free for serious crimes? Rape, assault, or even murder? Kidnapping, robbery?

In cases that involve a serious crime, their native country can revoke diplomatic immunity/status and that would make sense to avoid an international incident, as was the case with Gueorgui Makharadze. There is little advantage for most countries to protect someone clearly guilty of a serious crime, because it would ultimately hurt relations with the United States.

[Beevee]

You could google Raymond Allen Davis

[Adelaide]

You could google Raymond Allen Davis
Think that might have been an exception since he supposedly worked for the CIA under the guise of being diplomatic staff.

[Cletus]

Could be but cops don't really look for" reverse" domestic violence very well either. Immunity is so that we can't arrest diplomats for political ransom so to speak. But he should be sent home in disgrace.
Spot on. Diplomatic immunity serves a very important purpose. It is also not absolute. There are degrees of diplomatic immunity. Not all "diplomats" enjoy full immunity. Even those who do can be declared PNG and removed from the country. Other remedies include asking the parent nation to try the offender in their own courts, or in serious cases, asking them to waive the subject's immunity so he can be tried in our courts.

[donttread]

Today they do and women do get arrrested in bigger numbers then you would think.

Years ago women always got away with domestic assault

I can't remember the numbers but a suprising percentage of domestic abuse, even physical abuse is perpetrated by women. In fact my understanding is that Lesbian relationships have a high rate of DV