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exotix
12-04-2012, 10:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P1d8BVvY-I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziL2FyIg1_I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCiqL5wtNTs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s86K-p089R8

roadmaster
12-04-2012, 10:37 PM
If I am not mistaken most wore them around their necks.

exotix
12-04-2012, 10:48 PM
If I am not mistaken most wore them around their necks.

Check out some late 70's ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hk0sGep1bc

exotix
12-04-2012, 10:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDMvN45sjo4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptve3tDmKlg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSNuIzw9VfU

GrassrootsConservative
12-04-2012, 10:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tKtPfqwGgQ


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3_NgBhgCec


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jACrmwTsi08

GrassrootsConservative
12-04-2012, 10:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDMvN45sjo4

Sorry, dude, that shit belongs in my Grunge thread, and is about 20 years after the '80s.

GrassrootsConservative
12-04-2012, 10:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjyZKfdwlng


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i28UEoLXVFQ

GrassrootsConservative
12-04-2012, 10:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giwmhh6a1Tw


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAOrEPJB1nM

roadmaster
12-04-2012, 10:59 PM
LOL I was born in the 50's. I remember Rod and a few others trying them around their necks. Never thought that looked manly. But of course some younger guy just had to follow.

roadmaster
12-04-2012, 11:04 PM
I remember Aerosmith putting them around their heads. Sometimes Led Z.

exotix
12-04-2012, 11:04 PM
Sorry, dude, that shit belongs in my Grunge thread, and is about 20 years after the '80s.

Yeah I know ... I was hoping nobody would catch it ... http://i48.tinypic.com/vf4hf.jpg

exotix
12-04-2012, 11:05 PM
I remember Aerosmith putting them around their heads. Sometimes Led Z.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEa1K7-VWfA

GrassrootsConservative
12-04-2012, 11:08 PM
Yeah I know ... I was hoping nobody would catch it ... http://i48.tinypic.com/vf4hf.jpg

No fast ones past me.

exotix
12-04-2012, 11:11 PM
No fast ones past me.

Is this one over on your Grunge thread ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTWKbfoikeg

GrassrootsConservative
12-04-2012, 11:14 PM
Is this one over on your Grunge thread ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTWKbfoikeg

Nope. Lithium is though. I have a serious problem with music that is played too much, like that song.

exotix
12-04-2012, 11:21 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyePfnR3DmA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz_NCl-GWlc

exotix
12-04-2012, 11:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0_THrxYs1w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxdmw4tJJ1Y

exotix
12-04-2012, 11:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u8teXR8VE4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY6ZyWH60bs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_gGWsqd8Ec

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VUP4thpr3c

exotix
12-04-2012, 11:47 PM
http://i48.tinypic.com/vf4hf.jpg



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0E0ynyIUsg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrs56sagUHk&playnext=1&list=PL7F63104F5C173F03&feature=results_main

Captain Obvious
12-04-2012, 11:55 PM
My old high school garage band used to do a few Dokken tunes. Did Alone but we didn't have a singer.

One day my guitarist's little brother decided he would give singing a shot. Being smack in the middle of puberty didn't help his cause.

It was pretty bad, I can still hear it in my mind.

GrassrootsConservative
12-05-2012, 12:16 AM
We've got White Zombie in this bitch now too? Fuck it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5p96KUZsrY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdYvr2QpC3E

exotix
12-05-2012, 12:40 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUL_VgxxYus

exotix
12-05-2012, 12:48 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG1NrQYXjLU

exotix
12-05-2012, 01:12 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI74tyUefY4

Captain Obvious
12-05-2012, 05:23 PM
I don't want to be a wet blanket, but many of the acts here aren't "hairbands".

White Zombie? VH?

Not even close.

exotix
12-05-2012, 05:34 PM
I don't want to be a wet blanket, but many of the acts here aren't "hairbands".

White Zombie? VH?

Not even close.

Hard to say what genre Rob/White Zombie is ... it's like the Heavy Metal genre essentially beginning with Led Zepplin, maybe KISS to Van Halen etc. ... is now known as Death Metal ...

Today we just call it Hair Bands and we know what we're talking about ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MotNtq41NDw

Captain Obvious
12-05-2012, 05:37 PM
Rob is industrial, White is just metal.

VH is basic rock, same for Sister. Goth or glam rock maybe.

exotix
12-05-2012, 05:39 PM
Further, how you would classify RUSH ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTgnqlJ36Rs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8eaiBOh_G0

Captain Obvious
12-05-2012, 05:39 PM
Prog rock.

exotix
12-05-2012, 05:49 PM
Rob is industrial, White is just metal.

VH is basic rock, same for Sister. Goth or glam rock maybe.

Yeah all the same ... Rob Zombie would be skating as Industrial ... for instance your metal up the ass thread ... WASP is metal ... back in the 80's ... and is closer to Hair Bands ... nothing to do with Goth despite thier costumes ... Goth is Death Metal ...

Joan Jett is Metal ? .. LOL


She's more of the genre of Lita Ford ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fckR5u2ukeQ

Captain Obvious
12-05-2012, 06:00 PM
Rob is classic industrial. WASP is a gray area, I admit. I'd call them metal, they're not a traditional hair band. Twisted Sister would be more glam than goth, yeah I agree with that.

I don't know where you got Joan Jett from. She's basic rock.

exotix
12-05-2012, 06:01 PM
Prog rock.

That would be news to MTV back in the 80's ...


http://www.gwar.net/wp-content/uploads/headbangers_ball_510_2.jpg

Captain Obvious
12-05-2012, 06:05 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prog_rock


Toronto's Rush (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_%28band%29), who formed in 1968, became a major band, with a string of hit albums beginning in the mid-1970s.

I'm not sure why you're trying to redefine music styles, this is pretty basic stuff.

oceanloverOH
12-05-2012, 06:07 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3MXiTeH_Pg

GrassrootsConservative
12-05-2012, 06:07 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prog_rock



I'm not sure why you're trying to redefine music styles, this is pretty basic stuff.

I tried to explain this after they posted some Nirvana. Tried to send em to my grunge thread, I did.

exotix
12-05-2012, 06:12 PM
Rob is classic industrial. WASP is a gray area, I admit. I'd call them metal, they're not a traditional hair band. Twisted Sister would be more glam than goth, yeah I agree with that.

I don't know where you got Joan Jett from. She's basic rock.

80's Heavy Metal or 80's Metal was basically invented by Black Sabbath (1970) which was deemed *Dark* (a real genre move from the Doors, Hendrix, Santana but not Joplin) say as opposed to Led Zepplin or even Montrose ...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BkhtJM8CqE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHmqWRY-OdA

oceanloverOH
12-05-2012, 06:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUsYBO5QdVE

oceanloverOH
12-05-2012, 06:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu6pclWsxzs

exotix
12-05-2012, 06:14 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prog_rock

I'm not sure why you're trying to redefine music styles, this is pretty basic stuff.

Yes sub-genres ... that's the point ...

Progressive rock, also known as prog rock, prog-rock or simply prog, is a rock (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Rock_music) music subgenre (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Subgenre)[2] (http://thepoliticalforums.com/#cite_note-2) which originated in the United Kingdom (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/United_Kingdom), with further developments in Germany (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Germany), Italy (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Italy) and France (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/France), throughout the mid to late 1960s and 1970s.

Developing from psychedelic rock (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Psychedelic_rock), progressive rock originated, similarly to art rock (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Art_rock), as a British attempt to give greater artistic weight and credibility to rock music.[3] (http://thepoliticalforums.com/#cite_note-AllMusic1-3)

Progressive rock intended to break the boundaries of traditional rock music by bringing in a greater and more eclectic range of influences, including free-form and experimental compositional methods, as well as new technological innovations.

exotix
12-05-2012, 06:16 PM
I tried to explain this after they posted some Nirvana. Tried to send em to my grunge thread, I did.

Rammstein would be more Grunge than sissy-ass Nirvana or what's deemed American Grunge.

GrassrootsConservative
12-05-2012, 06:16 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8i0j_LvNQk

GrassrootsConservative
12-05-2012, 06:18 PM
Rammstein would be more Grunge than sissy-ass Nirvana or what's deemed American Grunge.

Grunge is an American genre. It started in Seattle. One of the few actual things America can claim the origin of.

oceanloverOH
12-05-2012, 06:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjhrGPFaQoQ

Captain Obvious
12-05-2012, 06:20 PM
Pretty much everything can be traced back to Africa or the Orient as far as music goes if you want to go back that far, but the 80's was a period of (early) definition and (later) confusion.

Metal was metal, regardless of who inspired it. Maiden, Priest, etc. led the way. Sabbath, Zepplin probably would be just considered "rock" or "hard rock". Once these borders became somewhat defined, they became challenged and sub-genres came about. Hairbands, techno, "hair metal" (ie: WASP). Disco would have been a defined style arising in the early 70's and maybe inspiring some of the sub-genres like techno.

And then there is the classic 80's stuff like Men Without Hats and the like, all a genre on it's own. 90's saw grunge and more sub-genres and now it's pretty wide open. Hard to classify anything newer.

GrassrootsConservative
12-05-2012, 06:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWg_g7-sIn0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jK-NcRmVcw


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u8teXR8VE4

Captain Obvious
12-05-2012, 06:21 PM
Rammstein would be more Grunge than sissy-ass Nirvana or what's deemed American Grunge.

Rammstein is classic industrial.

GrassrootsConservative
12-05-2012, 06:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCOrtJMQmVs


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9G22Li5Q6E

GrassrootsConservative
12-05-2012, 06:26 PM
Rammstein is classic industrial.

Such is KMFDM, NIN, Ministry, and Skinny Puppy.
It's kind of clear this dude knows nothing about his genres.

oceanloverOH
12-05-2012, 06:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO8JDZj2nTY

oceanloverOH
12-05-2012, 06:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jG3Vo70XFM

exotix
12-05-2012, 06:34 PM
Pretty much everything can be traced back to Africa or the Orient as far as music goes if you want to go back that far, but the 80's was a period of (early) definition and (later) confusion.

Metal was metal, regardless of who inspired it. Maiden, Priest, etc. led the way. Sabbath, Zepplin probably would be just considered "rock" or "hard rock". Once these borders became somewhat defined, they became challenged and sub-genres came about. Hairbands, techno, "hair metal" (ie: WASP). Disco would have been a defined style arising in the early 70's and maybe inspiring some of the sub-genres like techno.

And then there is the classic 80's stuff like Men Without Hats and the like, all a genre on it's own. 90's saw grunge and more sub-genres and now it's pretty wide open. Hard to classify anything newer.

All Rock music and it genres and sub-genres originated from (European) classical music ... or symphonic rock (spreading to genres and sub-genres) ... as scores and tempos as an orchestra ... that is, a sophisticated form of instrumental music as concertos ...

From time to time we're brought back to these roots with say The Electric Light Orchestra and the Trans Siberian Orchestra ... heck even River Dancing and Celtic Woman

And it's rather exciting to watch *Rockers & Metalists* play with symphonys ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VSOZFcJgpM

Captain Obvious
12-05-2012, 06:37 PM
And tribal African music preceded all of that.

exotix
12-05-2012, 06:41 PM
Such is KMFDM, NIN, Ministry, and Skinny Puppy.
It's kind of clear this dude knows nothing about his genres.

I wouldn't be able to tell industrial from trance ... you must take a lot of extasy to make that difference ... LOL.

oceanloverOH
12-05-2012, 06:48 PM
I'm really enjoying this thread....I rated it excellent!

GrassrootsConservative
12-05-2012, 06:48 PM
I wouldn't be able to tell industrial from trance ... you must take a lot of extasy to make that difference ... LOL.

Industrial = Techno with metal influences.
Trance = Techno with the same beats over and over.

exotix
12-05-2012, 06:51 PM
And tribal African music preceded all of that.

Not exactly true ... say for instance, *real* industrial is *primal* ... or screamo goth metal tectronic ... a primal ceremony (to the heavens) from early-man ... yeah I like that ...

Captain Obvious
12-05-2012, 07:01 PM
Are you suggesting that goth preceded African tribal music?

That's a pretty easy theory to debunk, btw.

exotix
12-05-2012, 07:08 PM
Are you suggesting that goth preceded African tribal music?

That's a pretty easy theory to debunk, btw.

Depends on what one is celebrating ... that is, music is a celebration ...


http://i45.tinypic.com/2mpwfo4.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfKgb2L7nnM

Conley
12-05-2012, 07:29 PM
Rammstein would be more Grunge than sissy-ass Nirvana or what's deemed American Grunge.

Whu?? Disagree, but don't feel like arguing my side of it. :laugh:

OHOL nailed the hair bands IMO

edit: (nailed it with her posts I mean, I'm not saying she was a groupie! :evil: :grin: )

exotix
12-05-2012, 07:48 PM
Whu?? Disagree, but don't feel like arguing my side of it. :laugh:

OHOL nailed the hair bands IMO

edit: (nailed it with her posts I mean, I'm not saying she was a groupie! :evil: :grin: )

No sweat ... music critique is much much better and much more fun than any political one ... no one is wrong and for that matter no one is right ... Hair Bands were a fun time and an exciting transition to today ...

I see Elvis in everybody ... http://i45.tinypic.com/2mpwfo4.jpg

oceanloverOH
12-05-2012, 07:53 PM
Whu?? Disagree, but don't feel like arguing my side of it. :laugh:

OHOL nailed the hair bands IMO

edit: (nailed it with her posts I mean, I'm not saying she was a groupie! :evil: :grin: )
Conley....there's a few of those guys I would've LOVED to nail 30 years ago!:grin20:

GrassrootsConservative
12-05-2012, 07:55 PM
Whu?? Disagree, but don't feel like arguing my side of it. :laugh:

OHOL nailed the hair bands IMO

edit: (nailed it with her posts I mean, I'm not saying she was a groupie! :evil: :grin: )

I disagree, I'd say I nailed it, what with Def Leppard, Europe, and stuff. :)

exotix
12-05-2012, 08:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_lwocmL9dQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjNAeELQ_Z8

Conley
12-05-2012, 08:16 PM
No sweat ... music critique is much much better and much more fun than any political one ... no one is wrong and for that matter no one is right ... Hair Bands were a fun time and an exciting transition to today ...

I see Elvis in everybody ... http://i45.tinypic.com/2mpwfo4.jpg

Actually Kurt would probably agree with you :laugh:

Conley
12-05-2012, 08:16 PM
@Conley (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=14)....there's a few of those guys I would've LOVED to nail 30 years ago!:grin20:

:roflmao: Fair nuff.

ThirdTerm
12-05-2012, 08:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB5JRS6JOck

exotix
12-05-2012, 08:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVt5mTkO_VY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nm1BJPe-pg

exotix
12-05-2012, 09:45 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo2Aypi0R2c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V7KPZtcOVQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClQcUyhoxTg

exotix
12-05-2012, 09:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNrFDubW1Hc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SM_Sr6Ye0lU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEYuGLF06io

Captain Obvious
12-06-2012, 12:17 AM
BOC is not a hairband.

Goddammit, exotix!

:grin:

GrassrootsConservative
12-06-2012, 12:23 AM
Ugh. Fail genre thread.

exotix
12-06-2012, 09:10 AM
BOC is not a hairband.

Goddammit, exotix!

:grin:
Yeah I did that on purpose ... I was going to put it in 60's & 70's thread being they emerged in the early-mid 70's ... as modern-pop-culture ... a wide swath of genres ... Blue Oyster Cult is 80's Heavy Metal (simply, distorted guitar sound) who's *popular* influence is the same as Dio/Black Sabbath when Ozzy exited ...

exotix
12-06-2012, 09:30 AM
Ugh. Fail genre thread.

What can I say ... you're monolithic when it comes to genres ...

Say for instance I bet you didn't know Billy Idol invented Generation X (a kind of merge of Punk antics with Rock 'n Roll sound) ... by simply calling his first band Generation X in 1977 ... this was actually the emergence of new wave ... (later Billy Idol failed miserbly by wearing dreadlocks and calling his *new sound* ... *cyber-rock* ... a failed venue he needed as his life turned-upside down)

This early Generation X/new wave can never be confused with what we know as Generation X which basically assumed Seattle grunge/Nirvana and has now reinvented into the Peculiar Culture as Generation Y and now Z ... (Goth/Techno influences)

All of these are *The Angry Youth Culture* that has never ceased since the anti-Viet Nam War movement ... or hippies (psychedelic rock such as Grateful Dead/Iron Butterfly ... giving way to Hendrix, Doors, Joplin ... where Hendrix & Doors are early heavy metal and Joplin is Blues Rock) ...


The most epic moment for Rock influence is Van Halen ... which I believe is in the Guiness Book of Records as single-handedly bringing Rock back (from Disco) ... and with Eddie Van Halens strum/finger-pick chords (that he kept carefully hidden on stage on the Sunset/Hollwood Srtip of night clubs mainly Gazzari's)