Democrats vote to shut down government

[resister]

Grandstanding? This has happened before, did the earth stand still?

What, will the park bathroom not open in the morning? What a crock, bet the police still show up at shift change.

Democrats did not get their way so the symbolically retaliate?




















Tonight, the Senate failed to approve (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/19/us/politics/live-senate-vote-government-shutdown.html) a funding bill that would have kept the government fully open and operating for the time being. Nearly every Republican Senator voted for the bill. The only exceptions were two pro-amnesty Senators — Lindsey Graham and Jeff Flake — and two anti-spending hardliners — Rand Paul and Mike Lee. Nearly every Democratic Senator voted against the bill. The only exceptions were five Red State Dems — Claire McCaskill, Joe Manchin, Joe Donnelly, Heidi Heitkamp, and Jones — four of whom (all but Jones) are up for reelection this year. Clearly, then, the shutdown (actually a partial shutdown) is the Democrats’ handiwork.Which party will the public blame, though. The polls are inconclusive. A Washington Post poll (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/more-blame-republicans-than-democrats-for-potential-government-shutdown-post-abc-poll-finds/2018/01/19/c4fce2f6-fd32-11e7-ad8c-ecbb62019393_story.html?utm_term=.4dd4651e6f15) finds that, by a 20-point margin, more Americans blame President Trump and Republicans than Democrats. However, a CNN poll (http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/19/politics/cnn-poll-shutdown-trump-immigration-daca/) finds that 56 percent of Americans think it’s more important to avoid a government shutdown than to “continue DACA.” 34 percent think it is somehow more important to “continue DACA.” Since this is essentially what the Senate voted on tonight, the Republican’s position plainly is not without considerable potential appeal compared to that of the Democrats.The fact that Senators like McCaskill and Donnelly voted to avoid the shutdown may also be revealing. Sure, Missouri and Indiana are Red States. But if the Democrats’ position really was the more popular one by 20 points nationally, it would also be popular enough in these states that McCaskill and Donnelly wouldn’t feel politically compelled to vote with the Republicans, and thereby risk being “primaried.”I wonder, though, whether either party would be blamed to an appreciable degree for an extended partial government shutdown. Unlike President Obama, President Trump has every incentive to make the partial shutdown citizen friendly. And, as Steve explained (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/01/a-primer-on-the-government-shutdown.php) earlier today, there’s not much inherently unfriendly about a government shutdown in any case.It’s true, I think, that most Americans view extended partial shutdowns as unseemly even when they have no real impact on their daily lives. No one gets a tax refund in exchange for the government performing less than all of its functions. And shutdowns produce a sense that we are drifting towards banana republic status. But absent real hardship, only strong partisans are likely to become truly exercised. This particular shutdown isn’t likely to be extended. If both sides keep their nerve, they probably will agree pretty soon to call this round a draw, pass something that temporarily keeps the government fully funded, see if the impasse can be resolved in the coming weeks, and if not, have the big showdown next month or in March.


http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/01/democrats-vote-to-shut-government-down.php

[Peter1469]

The take away is that the Democrats shut the government down this time.

I imagine the "media" will type out the DNC talking point that the GOP did it.

[resister]

The take away is that the Democrats shut the government down this time.

I imagine the "media" will type out the DNC talking point that the GOP did it.

You damn well know it!

[Grokmaster]

No Senate paychecks until it is up and running on all cylinders, again....

[Peter1469]

No Senate paychecks until it is up and running on all cylinders, again....

That is the way it is. The government will get this pay period (paid next Friday) and that is it, until this is resolved.

[resister]

No Senate paychecks until it is up and running on all cylinders, again....
They still get their lavish pay.

Not only no pay, but giant fines.

[resister]

That is the way it is. The government will get this pay period (paid next Friday) and that is it, until this is resolved.

Are you certain? I don't really know.

[Peter1469]

Are you certain? I don't really know.

Yes, I am certain.

[gamewell45]

They still get their lavish pay.

Not only no pay, but giant fines.

It wouldn't surprise me if most of the Senator's and Congress are millionaires or wealthy to start off with so they may not care at this point. Not sure if they can hand out giant fines; they may have to change the laws for that and unless they are out of their minds, it'll never happen.

[resister]

Yes, I am certain.
In that case, good. Enough Gov employees get time off with pay for misbehavior.

[Peter1469]

It wouldn't surprise me if most of the Senator's and Congress are millionaires or wealthy to start off with so they may not care at this point. Not sure if they can hand out giant fines; they may have to change the laws for that and unless they are out of their minds, it'll never happen.

Most of their staff are not rich. Congress will feel pain.

[resister]

It wouldn't surprise me if most of the Senator's and Congress are millionaires or wealthy to start off with so they may not care at this point. Not sure if they can hand out giant fines; they may have to change the laws for that and unless they are out of their minds, it'll never happen.
I am sure they wont miss the pay! They should be sued by the people. Breech of contract, a vote should be a binding contract.

[Peter1469]

In that case, good. Enough Gov employees get time off with pay for misbehavior.

It is technically not with pay. However, with every shutdown in recent history, congress drafted legislation to grant pay for those who did not work during a shut-down. With Trump- that may not happen. He is a businessman and likely won't agree to paying people for not working.

[resister]

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[leekohler2]

Great, does that mean we can fire all of them and vote for new ones? It should.

Can't do your jobs? OK, then you need to be fired.

[resister]

Great, does that mean we can fire all of them and vote for new ones? It should.

Can't do your jobs? OK, then you need to be fired.
You do realize that the Democrats are 90% behind this, right?

[Peter1469]

This is all politics. The Senate bill gave the Dems everything they wanted.

But the Dems want to break the news cycle about the stock market and the economy. The only problem with their silly idea is that the elections are too far away.

[resister]

This is all politics. The Senate bill gave the Dems everything they wanted.

But the Dems want to break the news cycle about the stock market and the economy. The only problem with their silly idea is that the elections are too far away.
They did not get DACA, so we have the symbolic grandstanding.

[resister]

Already, a TPF democrat has posted a dupe thread trying to shift the blame, pathetic.

[resister]

It is technically not with pay. However, with every shutdown in recent history, congress drafted legislation to grant pay for those who did not work during a shut-down. With Trump- that may not happen. He is a businessman and likely won't agree to paying people for not working.
About time we put an end to that!

[resister]

We still have people that don't think Trump is the POTUS, no wonder they cant see the Democrats are behind this shutdown.

[resister]

Not all roses.

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/19/politics/cnn-poll-shutdown-trump-immigration-daca/index.html



Washington (CNN)With hours to go before a midnight deadline for Congress to fund the government or shut it down, most Americans say avoiding a shutdown is more important than passing a bill to maintain the program allowing people brought to the US illegally as children to stay, according to a new CNN poll (http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2018/images/01/19/rel1a-trump2c.shutdown2c.immigration.pdf) conducted by SSRS (http://www.ssrs.com/).

But Democrats taking a hard line on legislation connecting government funding to the popular program known as DACA appear to have the backing of their constituents, and more overall say President Donald Trump or the Republicans in Congress would be responsible for a shutdown if one happens.

http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2018/images/01/19/shutdownpolls-02graph-mobile.png
Which is more important...
avoiding a shutdown or
continuing DACA?

A majority of Americans says it supports
keeping the government open over finding
a solution for the DACA program.

Avoiding a
shutdown

56%

Continuing
DACA

34%

10%

20%

30%

40%

50%

60%

Source: CNN poll conducted by SSRS, Jan. 14-18, 2018.
1,005 adults, ±3.7% pts.





Related: Full Poll Results (http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2018/images/01/19/rel1a-trump2c.shutdown2c.immigration.pdf)







Overall, about half of Americans say they would blame either Trump (21%) or his Republican counterparts in Congress (26%) should Congress fail to fund the government by the midnight Friday deadline. About a third, 31%, say they would hold the Democrats in Congress responsible, and another 10% say they'd blame all three groups. Among Republicans, 62% would blame the Democrats in Congress, while 43% of Democrats would blame Republicans on Capitol Hill and 29% would blame Trump.
Still, 56% overall say approving a budget agreement to avoid a shutdown is more important than continuing the DACA program, while just 34% choose DACA over a shutdown. Democrats break narrowly in favor of DACA -- 49% say it's more important vs. 42% who say avoiding a shutdown is the priority -- while majorities of both Republicans (75%) and independe

[resister]

Why do Democrats put illegals first?

[Grokmaster]

Why do Democrats put illegals first?
Because they vote democrat: illegally, and repeatedly.

[Common]

Bethere the democrats will reap what theyve sown

[resister]

@Bethere (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1988) the democrats will reap what theyve sown
This will help us in the midterms.

[Captdon]

The NYT, of all media, flatly said it was the Dums fault. They didn't fool anyone.

[resister]

The NYT, of all media, flatly said it was the Dums fault. They didn't fool anyone.
That wont stop the rest from lying about it, hell...look no further than TPF!

[The Xl]

Shrug

[Dangermouse]

The GOP has the Presidency the Senate and the Congress, and can't pass a bill. That's the Dem's fault.

[Peter1469]

The GOP has the Presidency the Senate and the Congress, and can't pass a bill. That's the Dem's fault.


60 votes in the Senate.

[Tahuyaman]

The Democrats will fold, then claim victory early next week.

[Hal Jordan]

If it didn't cost so much that only the rich can run for Senate, sure, pay them. As it is, no pay for the Senate/House/Presidency. No perks either.

[Hal Jordan]

We still have people that don't think Trump is the POTUS, no wonder they cant see the Democrats are behind this shutdown.
If I could shutdown the gov, I would, until they can get spending under control. When they can spend the same as a choosy shopper for a roll of TP... Then loosen the leash a bit.

[Grokmaster]

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[Abby08]

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But, it's the Conservatives fault....that man has no business being in a position of power.

[Ethereal]

Conservatives should not concede to the "shut down" talking point. Not only does it play into Democrat propaganda, but it's just flat out false. The government is not being "shut down" by anyone. All essential functions will continue. What a "shut down" really means is that the US government will have to spend within its means, which are considerable.

[Peter1469]

No, those payments will go out.


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[zelmo1234]

Not only did Mr Booker show just how stupid the DNC is, He Has provided us with proof he is not qualified for his position

Entitlements are paid out even in shut down

[Trish]

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Can you post a legitimate link. Thanks

[Tahuyaman]

It has just been discovered that most Democrats want the President to deliver the State Of the Union address during a so called government shut down.

This is a clear demonstration that most of these people are not concerned about anything other than being partisan hacks.

[Tahuyaman]

Wanting a president to deliver a State of the Union address during a supposed government shut down might be a neat trick if the president was a conventional product of the political establishment, but it just might come back to bite the Democrats in the ass this case.


I hope the Democrats stick to their guns and drag it out.


Of course, the Republicans would probably fold if they did.

[resister]

Wanting a president to deliver a State of the Union address during a supposed government shut down might be a neat trick if the president was a conventional product of the political establishment, but it just might come back to bite the Democrats in the ass this case.


I hope the Democrats stick to their guns and drag it out.


Of course, the Republicans would probably fold if they did.
They are fooling no one with this "shutdown" business (well, no one with more than 2 brain cells) Trying to smear Trump with it, is not working. The majority of Republicans voted for the budget (except four traitors) IIRC not a single Democrat voted for it. To logical people, who shut it down is obvious

[Tahuyaman]

They are fooling no one with this "shutdown" business (well, no one with more than 2 brain cells) Trying to smear Trump with it, is not working. The majority of Republicans voted for the budget (except four traitors) IIRC not a single Democrat voted for it. To logical people, who shut it down is obvious
Two of those Republicans voted it down because of real difference is the substance of the budget. They have been consistent. The two others, it is purely based on their personal issues with Trump.

[Grokmaster]

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The Dunce-o-crats keep making the EXACT SAME miscalculation that got Pres.Trump elected.


Let's hope that they keep it up, ALL YEAR....