With government shutdown, Republicans reap what they sow

[Bethere]

Indeed. This isn't the first time Republicans have shut down the government like petulant private school kids.

Your thoughts?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/20/with-government-shutdown-republicans-reap-what-they-sow&ved=2ahUKEwi7-bjY6uXYAhVQZKwKHXZ_DXUQFjAbegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw05TTx39NekmzwGX2P-fjEb

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/1/20/16910722/government-shutdown-2018-shut-down&ved=0ahUKEwjYnbbv6-XYAhVKeKwKHdr1BRkQqOcBCCgwAQ&usg=AOvVaw1u_EuzDm2A2Pf26_DFXSMY

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/19/politics/government-shutdown-trump-congress-latest/index.html

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/americans-blame-trump-republicans-government-shuts-poll/story?id=52465107

[Peter1469]

The Repubs didn't shut the government down. The dems did.

The dems have the "media" as its typing pool, so people may be fooled into thinking the dems didn't cause this shutdown.

But the GOP is in the majority and they get to set the agenda. The dems can't say a failure to reach a deal is the GOP's fault.

But our secondary education system is so poor that the OP thought he had a point.

[resister]

Indeed. This isn't the first time Republicans have shut down the government like petulant private school kids.

Your thoughts?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/20/with-government-shutdown-republicans-reap-what-they-sow&ved=2ahUKEwi7-bjY6uXYAhVQZKwKHXZ_DXUQFjAbegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw05TTx39NekmzwGX2P-fjEb

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/1/20/16910722/government-shutdown-2018-shut-down&ved=0ahUKEwjYnbbv6-XYAhVKeKwKHdr1BRkQqOcBCCgwAQ&usg=AOvVaw1u_EuzDm2A2Pf26_DFXSMY

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/19/politics/government-shutdown-trump-congress-latest/index.html

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/americans-blame-trump-republicans-government-shuts-poll/story?id=52465107
First? You are all late. Second? Your crew is responsible for it.

They did not get DACA so they pitched a fit.

[Bethere]

The Repubs didn't shut the government down. The dems did.

The dems have the "media" it its typing pool, so people may be fooled into thinking the dems didn't cause this shutdown.

But the GOP is in the majority and they get to set the agenda. The dems can't say a failure to reach a deal is the GOP's fault.

But our secondary education system is so poor that the OP thought he had a point.

They couldn't even rub 50 gop votes together, so you can't even blame it on the filibuster.

Your team owns this, as usual.

[Peter1469]

They couldn't even rub 50 gop votes together, so you can't even blame it on the filibuster.

Your team owns this, as usual.
My team isn't in play.

Nevertheless, this is a Dem shutdown of government. I won't let you lie about that aspect of the situation.

[Bethere]

First? You are all late. Second? Your crew is responsible for it.

They did not get DACA so they pitched a fit.

Nonsense. Your dumbass president told us to negotiate a deal and he would take all of the heat for it. So, said bipartisan deal was negotiated and he got angry and blew it off.

But he was right. He's going to take the heat for it.

[resister]

My team isn't in play.

Nevertheless, this is a Dem shutdown of government. I won't let you lie about that aspect of the situation.
He will do his best, but like today he will be shot down.

[Bethere]

My team isn't in play.

Nevertheless, this is a Dem shutdown of government. I won't let you lie about that aspect of the situation.

It really isn't. The gop controls all levers of power in Washington. We are hopelessly out of power and at your mercy.

Blaming us for your shortcomings is so very Republican.

[resister]

Nonsense. Your dumbass president told us to negotiate a deal and he would take all of the heat for it. So, said bipartisan deal was negotiated and he got angry and blew it off.

But he was right. He's going to take the heat for it.
"OUR" President.

Democrats pouted and voted for the shut down, stop digging.

[Bethere]

He will do his best, but like today he will be shot down.

We agree. This is his best.

My God.

[Bethere]

"OUR" President.

Democrats pouted and voted for the shut down, stop digging.

YOUR president.

[Peter1469]

He will do his best, but like today he will be shot down.
That one is a Papa Oscar Sierra.

[Bethere]

That one is a Papa Oscar Sierra.

Only 44 Republicans voted for cloture.

[resister]

YOUR president.
I always suspected you did not actually live in the ​USA

[Bethere]

I always suspected you did not actually live in the ​USA

But I do, I just have reason to believe that he isn't a legitimate president.

[Bethere]

Trump's comments blaming Obama for 2013 government shutdown resurface | TheHillThe Hill › homenews › administration

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/369756-trumps-comments-blaming-obama-for-2013-government-shutdown-resurface&ved=2ahUKEwjC1rDN8eXYAhXClK0KHRIcBhsQFjAAegQIChAB&usg=AOvVaw3aOaYz1wmJpBY3h0sM83GK

[resister]

But I do, I just have reason to believe that he isn't a legitimate president.
So you believe we don't actually have a POTUS? 2234722348

[Bethere]

That one is a Papa Oscar Sierra.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXkfDh__nuw

[Peter1469]

But I do, I just have reason to believe that he isn't a legitimate president.

TDS and an anti-constitutionalist.

[Bethere]

So you believe we don't actually have a POTUS? 2234722348

YOUR president.

[Bethere]

TDS and an anti-constitutionalist.

Says you.

Nuff said.

[Peter1469]

YOUR president.

I guess you are posting from China.

[Peter1469]

Says you.

Nuff said.

correct.

[Bethere]

correct.

Donald Trump's Government Shutdown Tweets Contradict Stance | Time - ...Time Magazine › Politics › Donald Trump

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://time.com/5109760/government-shutdown-donald-trump-tweets/&ved=2ahUKEwjbyduR9uXYAhVB-6wKHXI6AoEQFjAAegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw0rBGtKWbNqETjhqPajxoJ9

[resister]

Wow, your thread view count jumped to 111 from 45 in a matter of 15 minutes. This really means a lot to you, doesn't it? lol

[resister]

Wow, your thread view count jumped to 111 from 45 in a matter of 15 minutes. This really means a lot to you, doesn't it? lol
Holy crap 127 that quick!

[Bethere]

Holy crap 127 that quick!

What is wrong with you?

[Safety]

Yea, Republican owned house, senate, and executive, this is on the Republicans. Anyone arguing differently is showing their hand as nothing more than a political hack.

[Bethere]

Yea, Republican owned house, senate, and executive, this is on the Republicans. Anyone arguing differently is showing their hand as nothing more than a political hack.

They have complete power. So it must be the Democrat's fault.

They are tripping hard.

[Peter1469]

Donald Trump's Government Shutdown Tweets Contradict Stance | Time - ...Time Magazine › Politics › Donald Trump

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://time.com/5109760/government-shutdown-donald-trump-tweets/&ved=2ahUKEwjbyduR9uXYAhVB-6wKHXI6AoEQFjAAegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw0rBGtKWbNqETjhqPajxoJ9

The GOP is the majority. They proposed a budget. The Dems said no.

Only a retarded person would blame the GOP.

The Dems can't have it both ways. They are superior in political bs. That is for sure.

[resister]

Wow, your thread view count jumped to 111 from 45 in a matter of 15 minutes. This really means a lot to you, doesn't it? lol


Holy crap 127 that quick!


What is wrong with you?
Now 155, does your finger hurt from clicking? You win bethere, I realize it chaps you that I beat you to the punch.


The Democrats caused the shutdown22349

[Bethere]

The GOP is the majority. They proposed a budget. The Dems said no.

Only a retarded person would blame the GOP.

The Dems can't have it both ways. They are superior in political bs. That is for sure.

There is nothing funny about mental retardation. It's insensitivity such as this that is at the root of the gop's problems.

[Bethere]

Now 155, does your finger hurt from clicking? You win bethere, I realize it chaps you that I beat you to the punch.


The Democrats caused the shutdown22349

Someone's more popular than you are and you can't handle it. It must be cheating.

But it isn't. You just don't know what you are doing.

[Safety]

They have complete power. So it must be the Democrat's fault.

They are tripping hard.

Anyone with more brain cells than an amoeba, can see that. However, not many people have the time nor patience to teach civics 101 to a board full of belief perseverance hacks.

[Bethere]

Anyone with more brain cells than an amoeba, can see that. However, not many people have the time nor patience to teach civics 101 to a board full of belief perseverance hacks.

In the end, McConnell voted AGAINST cutting checks for military families throughout the shutdown.

Is that class or what?

[resister]

Someone's more popular than you are and you can't handle it. It must be cheating.

But it isn't. You just don't know what you are doing.
Lol, evidently it matters more to you, you expect TPF to believe that you posted the same subject 30 minutes later and have 228 views VS 71?

You are known to feverishly click in and out of your own thread to inflate views. By the time I hit post I bet you have 25 more views

[Peter1469]

There is nothing funny about mental retardation. It's insensitivity such as this that is at the root of the gop's problems.

And the root of the retarded Dem claim that the GOP is to blame for the shutdown.

You are right it isn't funny. It is deadly serious.

[Bethere]

Lol, evidently it matters more to you, you expect TPF to believe that you posted the same subject 30 minutes later and have 228 views VS 71?

You are known to feverishly click in and out of your own thread to inflate views. By the time I hit post I bet you have 25 more views

I do not think it is unreasonable to ask you to address the topic instead of slurring your mighty bethere.

[Bethere]

And the root of the retarded Dem claim that the GOP is to blame for the shutdown.

You are right it isn't funny. It is deadly serious.

What do you think of McConnell voting against continuing payroll for deployed military?

[Peter1469]

In the end, McConnell voted AGAINST cutting checks for military families throughout the shutdown.

Is that class or what?


Research the anti-deficiency act. Educate yourself. But that make you drop the dems like the plague.

[resister]

Lol, evidently it matters more to you, you expect TPF to believe that you posted the same subject 30 minutes later and have 228 views VS 71?

You are known to feverishly click in and out of your own thread to inflate views. By the time I hit post I bet you have 25 more views


I do not think it is unreasonable to ask you to address the topic instead of slurring your mighty bethere.
Now 246 minutes later @ 2:08 Am on an obscure forum...lol

[Peter1469]

What do you think of McConnell voting against continuing payroll for deployed military?

Which bill dealt solely with military spending? You are misrepresenting the truth.

[Bethere]

Research the anti-deficiency act. Educate yourself. But that make you drop the dems like the plague.

Lol.

Here are the facts as we know them:

Military pay (http://www.military.com/benefits/military-pay) was exempt from the ten shutdowns that occurred between 1980 and 1996, and only the 21-day shutdown in 1996 lasted more than three days.
Congress passed another extension, which if agreed to by the President will buy another three weeks (April 8) – the fifth continuing resolution for the FY2011 budget.
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz), recently called on Congress to pass a bill that would fund the military regardless of whether an agreement can be reached on the full federal budget.
To be clear, nobody can be certain about what will happen next, but if the past is any indication, active duty servicemembers are not likely to miss any paychecks.As blogger Kate Horrell explains in her latest installment in the Paycheck Chronicles -- ‘Prepare for the Worst, & Hope for the Best (http://paycheck-chronicles.military.com/2011/03/15/prepare-for-the-worst-and-hope-for-the-best/)’ -- this is a good opportunity to “think long and hard about how large an emergency fund is necessary to fund [your] family’s day-to-day life.”

https://www.military.com/militaryadvantage/2011/03/does-shutdown-mean-no-pay-for-military

[Bethere]

Which bill dealt solely with military spending? You are misrepresenting the truth.
You missed Claire McCaskill' s motion.

[resister]

6 more views in 1 minute! LOL Watch out for carpal tunnel!

[Kacper]

Indeed. This isn't the first time Republicans have shut down the government like petulant private school kids.

Your thoughts?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/20/with-government-shutdown-republicans-reap-what-they-sow&ved=2ahUKEwi7-bjY6uXYAhVQZKwKHXZ_DXUQFjAbegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw05TTx39NekmzwGX2P-fjEb

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/1/20/16910722/government-shutdown-2018-shut-down&ved=0ahUKEwjYnbbv6-XYAhVKeKwKHdr1BRkQqOcBCCgwAQ&usg=AOvVaw1u_EuzDm2A2Pf26_DFXSMY

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/19/politics/government-shutdown-trump-congress-latest/index.html

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/americans-blame-trump-republicans-government-shuts-poll/story?id=52465107

Did you read the articles you posted? Just curious because left-leaning Vox even said that 45 democrats voted against the thing when they needed 60 votes to advance it in the Senate. It also states that, "Democrats, frustrated with President Trump’s unwillingness to accept a bipartisan proposal to address the nearly 700,000 immigrants in legal limbo after he pledged to end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, felt they had no choice and no other leverage but to reject the House spending bill to force DACA negotiations. They were joined by several Republicans also working on a DACA fix and angry over the inability to cut a long-term funding deal for the military."

So, the dems held the budget hostage on a collateral issue. Personally, I don't care if the government shuts down or not, but at least try to have some integrity when you post such things as to not egregiously misrepresent the facts and what your own sources say.

[resister]

Now 246 minutes later @ 2:08 Am on an obscure forum...lol
2:08 am 246 views

2:23 Am 279 views

2:24 AM 292 views lol

2:25 am 298 views

2:26 AM 304 views

2:29 AM 311 views

2:30 AM 317 views

2:53 AM 329 views

LOL, what a popular thread

3:04 am 351 views

Meanwhile, I posted on the same subject 30 minutes earlier, it has 92 views. Keep in mind TPF, this in the wee hours of the morning. Talk about tipping your hand!

[resister]

Did you read the articles you posted? Just curious because left-leaning Vox even said that 45 democrats voted against the thing when they needed 60 votes to advance it in the Senate. It also states that, "Democrats, frustrated with President Trump’s unwillingness to accept a bipartisan proposal to address the nearly 700,000 immigrants in legal limbo after he pledged to end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, felt they had no choice and no other leverage but to reject the House spending bill to force DACA negotiations. They were joined by several Republicans also working on a DACA fix and angry over the inability to cut a long-term funding deal for the military."

So, the dems held the budget hostage on a collateral issue. Personally, I don't care if the government shuts down or not, but at least try to have some integrity when you post such things as to not egregiously misrepresent the facts and what your own sources say.

keep him honest, a thankless task. If left to his own devices....

[Bethere]

Did you read the articles you posted? Just curious because left-leaning Vox even said that 45 democrats voted against the thing when they needed 60 votes to advance it in the Senate. It also states that, "Democrats, frustrated with President Trump’s unwillingness to accept a bipartisan proposal to address the nearly 700,000 immigrants in legal limbo after he pledged to end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, felt they had no choice and no other leverage but to reject the House spending bill to force DACA negotiations. They were joined by several Republicans also working on a DACA fix and angry over the inability to cut a long-term funding deal for the military."

So, the dems held the budget hostage on a collateral issue. Personally, I don't care if the government shuts down or not, but at least try to have some integrity when you post such things as to not egregiously misrepresent the facts and what your own sources say.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXkfDh__nuw

[Kacper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXkfDh__nuw

Well I guess you showed me....that the answer to my question is, "Why no, Kacper, I did not read the articles I linked after accusing the Republicans of having shut down the government "like petulant private school kids"'

[Bethere]

Well I guess you showed me....that the answer to my question is, "Why no, Kacper, I did not read the articles I linked after accusing the Republicans of having shut down the government "like petulant private school kids"'

I'm an open minded person. My offering multiple view points makes me a thoughtful person, not a liar.

I stand by my statement and have no regrets about offering several different views.

[resister]

2:08 am 246 views

2:23 Am 279 views

2:24 AM 292 views lol

2:25 am 298 views

2:26 AM 304 views

2:29 AM 311 views

2:30 AM 317 views

2:53 AM 329 views

LOL, what a popular thread

3:04 am 351 views

Meanwhile, I posted on the same subject 30 minutes earlier, it has 92 views. Keep in mind TPF, this in the wee hours of the morning. Talk about tipping your hand!
392 views @ 3:21 AM LOL

[resister]

I'm an open minded person. My offering multiple view points makes me a thoughtful person, not a liar.

I stand by my statement and have no regrets about offering several different views.
Why cant people own it and fess up when they get called on blatant Bull Shit?

[Kacper]

I'm an open minded person. My offering multiple view points makes me a thoughtful person, not a liar.

I stand by my statement and have no regrets about offering several different views.

You can stand by your false statement if you so desire, but if you were savy instead of misrepresenting that the GOP shut down the government, you would instead be celebrating that the DNC has boldly stood up for DACA kids. It makes the left seem like it has some moral footing as opposed to just sour grapes.

[stjames1_53]

We agree. This is his best.

My God.

he was addressing you. You continue to put up BS articles and lie about it......that is why you continue to lose your own arguments.

[stjames1_53]

I'm an open minded person. My offering multiple view points makes me a thoughtful person, not a liar.

I stand by my statement and have no regrets about offering several different views.

bwa hahahahahahahahaha eeeeee derp hahahahahahahahaha
you have never changed your view from your socialist podium

[donttread]

Indeed. This isn't the first time Republicans have shut down the government like petulant private school kids.

Your thoughts?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/20/with-government-shutdown-republicans-reap-what-they-sow&ved=2ahUKEwi7-bjY6uXYAhVQZKwKHXZ_DXUQFjAbegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw05TTx39NekmzwGX2P-fjEb

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/1/20/16910722/government-shutdown-2018-shut-down&ved=0ahUKEwjYnbbv6-XYAhVKeKwKHdr1BRkQqOcBCCgwAQ&usg=AOvVaw1u_EuzDm2A2Pf26_DFXSMY

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/19/politics/government-shutdown-trump-congress-latest/index.html

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/americans-blame-trump-republicans-government-shuts-poll/story?id=52465107


Don't worry the government does less damage when it's shut down.. Of course they deliberately pick people sympathetic to the public to not py durig the shut down. But oddly the HR departmment can always issue their checks.

[Trish]

Don't worry the government does less damage when it's shut down.. Of course they deliberately pick people sympathetic to the public to not py durig the shut down. But oddly the HR departmment can always issue their checks.
Yeah, it's called technology. You schedule payouts and viola money is electronically transferred from one account to another. Also, let's keep in mind that gov't employees are paid like everyone else......after they work, not before. Gov't employees will receive one more check for the past two weeks they just worked. I'm sure you'd expect to be paid after you worked, right?

[Trish]

My team isn't in play.

Nevertheless, this is a Dem shutdown of government. I won't let you lie about that aspect of the situation.

I think it's a matter of opinion so I don't think we should assume someone is not telling the truth.

I'm waiting for the President to exercise his negotiating skills that he boasted about. Where is the leadership? This is complete silliness.

[Peter1469]

Lol.

Here are the facts as we know them:

Military pay (http://www.military.com/benefits/military-pay) was exempt from the ten shutdowns that occurred between 1980 and 1996, and only the 21-day shutdown in 1996 lasted more than three days.
Congress passed another extension, which if agreed to by the President will buy another three weeks (April 8) – the fifth continuing resolution for the FY2011 budget.
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz), recently called on Congress to pass a bill that would fund the military regardless of whether an agreement can be reached on the full federal budget.
To be clear, nobody can be certain about what will happen next, but if the past is any indication, active duty servicemembers are not likely to miss any paychecks.As blogger Kate Horrell explains in her latest installment in the Paycheck Chronicles -- ‘Prepare for the Worst, & Hope for the Best (http://paycheck-chronicles.military.com/2011/03/15/prepare-for-the-worst-and-hope-for-the-best/)’ -- this is a good opportunity to “think long and hard about how large an emergency fund is necessary to fund [your] family’s day-to-day life.”

https://www.military.com/militaryadvantage/2011/03/does-shutdown-mean-no-pay-for-military
Failure to follow instructions. The ADA.... Go.

[Peter1469]

I think it's a matter of opinion so I don't think we should assume someone is not telling the truth.

I'm waiting for the President to exercise his negotiating skills that he boasted about. Where is the leadership? This is complete silliness.

It is manufactured. The proposed senate bill gave the dems everything they wanted. The dems don't want a deal. They want to control the news cycle. And with the "media" on their side, they will attempt to lie to the American public and say the shutdown is the fault of the GOP.

[Trish]

It is manufactured. The proposed senate bill gave the dems everything they wanted. The dems don't want a deal. They want to control the news cycle. And with the "media" on their side, they will attempt to lie to the American public and say the shutdown is the fault of the GOP.

I agree there is certainly some self serving in shutting the government down but let's not forget that all of this could have been avoided had the President communicated what he wanted to his own party.

I'm so discouraged when I see this constant blindness when it comes to what one political party does.

Am I living in the twilight zone or do the Republicans have power over ALL 3 branches of government? Does this escape you?

[hanger4]

They have complete power. So it must be the Democrat's fault.They are tripping hard.Wrong again Bethere, complete power would be 60 Repubs in the Senate. Dems shut down the gov. demanding daca while at the same time screaming how racist Trump is. Seems to be a good way for the minority to swing a compromise by calling the compromisee names.

[hanger4]

Anyone with more brain cells than an amoeba, can see that. However, not many people have the time nor patience to teach civics 101 to a board full of belief perseverance hacks.60 Senate votes is complete power. What was that amoeba analogy you were using ?? :rofl:

[zelmo1234]

Only 44 Republicans voted for cloture.

So that could not get any Democrats to help.

Today, the Democrats Put Illegals over our Military, Homeland Security, FBI, Over all of the senior citizens.

But I don't think they really had a choice, they need these new voters so Desperately

With Trump bringing jobs back to the USA, and many of them UNION, it is going to be next to impossible for the Democrats to win the Rust Belt.

Opening up land that will have easy access for Oil and Natural gas will once again turn the prices lower as the supplies begin to grow about 2 years from now, not to mention the thousands and thousands of high paying job it will bring.

All of the local stations are explaining this very well, they are showing that the democrats are not willing to have a clean extension. The usual suspects are trying to point fingers but they are not answering questions well and it will take an absolute idiot to not see that the Democrats made this happen

[hanger4]

I'm an open minded person. My offering multiple view points makes me a thoughtful person, not a liar.I stand by my statement and have no regrets about offering several different views.Sorry Bethere, you've been documemted knowingly posting falsehoods, just yesterday as a matter of fact.

[hanger4]

I agree there is certainly some self serving in shutting the government down but let's not forget that all of this could have been avoided had the President communicated what he wanted to his own party. I'm so discouraged when I see this constant blindness when it comes to what one political party does. Am I living in the twilight zone or do the Republicans have power over ALL 3 branches of government? Does this escape you?60 votes in the Senate gives the power for appropriation bills, Repubs have 52, this is what escapes you and several others.

[Bethere]

I agree there is certainly some self serving in shutting the government down but let's not forget that all of this could have been avoided had the President communicated what he wanted to his own party.

I'm so discouraged when I see this constant blindness when it comes to what one political party does.

Am I living in the twilight zone or do the Republicans have power over ALL 3 branches of government? Does this escape you?

Yes, it escapes him. But WE are stupid.

Fascinating.

[countryboy]

Indeed. This isn't the first time Republicans have shut down the government like petulant private school kids.

Your thoughts?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/20/with-government-shutdown-republicans-reap-what-they-sow&ved=2ahUKEwi7-bjY6uXYAhVQZKwKHXZ_DXUQFjAbegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw05TTx39NekmzwGX2P-fjEb

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/1/20/16910722/government-shutdown-2018-shut-down&ved=0ahUKEwjYnbbv6-XYAhVKeKwKHdr1BRkQqOcBCCgwAQ&usg=AOvVaw1u_EuzDm2A2Pf26_DFXSMY

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/19/politics/government-shutdown-trump-congress-latest/index.html

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/americans-blame-trump-republicans-government-shuts-poll/story?id=52465107

This is a Dem shut down. Are you not paying attention?

[Bethere]

So that could not get any Democrats to help.

Today, the Democrats Put Illegals over our Military, Homeland Security, FBI, Over all of the senior citizens.

But I don't think they really had a choice, they need these new voters so Desperately

With Trump bringing jobs back to the USA, and many of them UNION, it is going to be next to impossible for the Democrats to win the Rust Belt.

Opening up land that will have easy access for Oil and Natural gas will once again turn the prices lower as the supplies begin to grow about 2 years from now, not to mention the thousands and thousands of high paying job it will bring.

All of the local stations are explaining this very well, they are showing that the democrats are not willing to have a clean extension. The usual suspects are trying to point fingers but they are not answering questions well and it will take an absolute idiot to not see that the Democrats made this happen

I want to thank you for your well thought out post. I don't agree with you, but I appreciate the courtesy you displayed.

[Bethere]

This is a Dem shut down. Are you not paying attention?

I'm paying attention.

[rcfieldz]

It's all their fault. They did it.
The question is who did what? They did nothing. Fire all their asses.

[hanger4]

Yes, it escapes him. But WE are stupid.Fascinating.How many votes in the Senate does it take to pass appropriation bills Bethere ??

[Bethere]

How many votes in the Senate does it take to pass appropriation bills @Bethere (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1988) ??

If your president is in power? Presumably, 50 with the vp.

Don't page me.

[hanger4]

If your president is in power? Presumably, 50.Don't page me.It matters not the party of the President, it's 60 votes for closure. Don't ignore me when I quote you and I shant "@" you.

[Bethere]

It matters not the party of the President, it's 60 votes for closure. Don't ignore me when I quote you and I shant "@" you.
Cloture, not closure. And, no, cloture passes no bill. It allows you to bring a bill to the floor.

For instance, last night? No bill was voted on. There was no bill on the floor.

As for ignoring you? It is my right. I am under no obligation to cater to your mercurial whims. I think you should set an example for others and display some courtesy. I've asked you dozens of times. You do it to spite me.

[resister]

This thread was posted at 12:49 am, by 3:21 am it had 392 views. Over 2 views a minute in the wee hours LOL

Someone frantically clicks in and out. lol :rollseyes:

[Bethere]

Polls suggest Trump and GOP could bear the shutdown blame
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/01/19/polls-suggest-trump-and-gop-could-bear-brunt-blame-shutdown/1049918001/&ved=0ahUKEwiGu96P9-bYAhVkhOAKHY53D-oQqOcBCCgwAQ&usg=AOvVaw2iDWjrGXRGbyfPwfMVaYPD

A national ABC News/Washington Post poll released before Friday night's outcome found 48% of those surveyed said they would blame Trump and the GOP while 28% would blame Democrats. Another survey by Quinnipiac University national poll found 32% would blame Republicans, 21% Trump and 34% Democrats.

[Captdon]

Nonsense. Your dumbass president told us to negotiate a deal and he would take all of the heat for it. So, said bipartisan deal was negotiated and he got angry and blew it off.

But he was right. He's going to take the heat for it.

He said 'a deal by the people in this room." Graham and Durbin didn't talk for them, only themselves. Do you ever pay attention? As I said elsewhere,even the New York times put it on the Dums. You can't even get your lies straight.

[Captdon]

It really isn't. The gop controls all levers of power in Washington. We are hopelessly out of power and at your mercy.

Blaming us for your shortcomings is so very Republican.

You vote no to everything. You don't have any ideas or any clues. You're losing and losing badly.

[Bethere]

He said 'a deal by the people in this room." Graham and Durbin didn't talk for them, only themselves. Do you ever pay attention? As I said elsewhere,even the New York times put it on the Dums. You can't even get your lies straight.

Shame on you.

[Bethere]

You vote no to everything. You don't have any ideas or any clues. You're losing and losing badly.

I don't feel like I am losing.

[Captdon]

Trump's comments blaming Obama for 2013 government shutdown resurface | TheHillThe Hill › homenews › administration

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/369756-trumps-comments-blaming-obama-for-2013-government-shutdown-resurface&ved=2ahUKEwjC1rDN8eXYAhXClK0KHRIcBhsQFjAAegQIChAB&usg=AOvVaw3aOaYz1wmJpBY3h0sM83GK

Obama, the Asswipe, chained open monuments for Hollywood effect. He was too stupid to see people could not buy that. He was an asshat with chains.The only open thing he didn't chain or block was the Vietnam Wall. Those guys would have started shooting.

[Bethere]

Obama, the Asswipe, chained open monuments for Hollywood effect. He was too stupid to see people could not buy that. He was an asshat with chains.The only open thing he didn't chain or block was the Vietnam Wall. Those guys would have started shooting.

It's a funny thing. You guys loved cloture votes back then.

Imagine that. You must be a liar, too!

[Captdon]

Yea, Republican owned house, senate, and executive, this is on the Republicans. Anyone arguing differently is showing their hand as nothing more than a political hack.

The Senate Dems had 44 no votes on taking a vote. You Dummies own this one. It didn't work and never will. DACA people can go home now or wait for ICE.

[pragmatic]

They couldn't even rub 50 gop votes together, so you can't even blame it on the filibuster.

Your team owns this, as usual.

You math skills need work.

The GOP does not have enough Senate seats to defeat a filibuster. Regardless if all Republican Senators are on board.

[Trish]

60 votes in the Senate gives the power for appropriation bills, Repubs have 52, this is what escapes you and several others.

Hanger I welcome your feedback on my comment and I assure you that it does not escape me that there is shortcomings from both sides. I honestly feel bad that the republicans don't seem to have any real direction or insight from the President. I understand that Mitch McConnell doesn't want to put forth a bill or to promote a position when he and fellow republicans have been undercut and undermined by the President time after time.

This is a leadership failure at the highest level. Until we demand better clarity and leadership from the President and his Administration we are going to continue to run into these standoffs.

[zelmo1234]

There is nothing funny about mental retardation. It's insensitivity such as this that is at the root of the gop's problems.

And it is the Nation that is tired of the gentle snowflakes such as yourself telling us what we can and can't say.

There is not right not to be offended. The GOP forgot that but Trump grows more popular each and every time that he throws political correctness to the wind.

The Democrats have been the party of victims for 3 decades, and the people are finally tired of it. They are ready to be a nation of winners again. People that don't have to watch each and every word that they say, but more importantly a people that are not offended by words.

It has backfired on the DNC, OH sure they will take polls of areas where they are not likely to run into anyone that is not liberal and post these, but there power is gone. The people no longer believe what they have to say.

The fight for the nations soul is on, we will ether be a Socialist nation if the left gets there way, or we will return to the constitutional republic that the founding fathers created.

And it looks like the left no longer has the power to deceive

[Captdon]

There is nothing funny about mental retardation. It's insensitivity such as this that is at the root of the gop's problems.

Must be since you post this crap. You lost and you're going to keep losing. I hope you stay for the amusement. DACA can go away. They don't belong here in my country.

[pragmatic]

They have complete power. So it must be the Democrat's fault.

They are tripping hard.

You really are confused.

[Bethere]

You math skills need work.

The GOP does not have enough Senate seats to defeat a filibuster. Regardless if all Republican Senators are on board.

The filibuster is an extra constitutional provision. It exists because your caucus voted for it during organization at the beginning of this Congress. If you wanted a straight majority to rule it is within your power to make it so.

[Crepitus]

You really are confused.

No, the confused people are the ones with both houses and the white house who still can't get anything done.

[Captdon]

Which bill dealt solely with military spending? You are misrepresenting the truth.

He can't deal with the reality his side voted against paying the men and women who defend us, including him.

[Bethere]

You really are confused.

Nuh, uh. YOU are.

[Crepitus]

I don't feel like I am losing.

I don't either.

[Captdon]

I'm an open minded person. My offering multiple view points makes me a thoughtful person, not a liar.

I stand by my statement and have no regrets about offering several different views.

Whatever lie suits you at the moment.

[countryboy]

I'm paying attention.

Obviously not.

[zelmo1234]

In the end, McConnell voted AGAINST cutting checks for military families throughout the shutdown.
Is that class or what?

The Democrats have been playing this game for decades and up until now they have not gotten any blame, Only someone that is dedicated to just one news source will be blind enough to see that the Democrats put Illegal immigrants over the lives of the American people.

And I hope that the Republicans don't go back on their word, and let this happen, Also at the end they should not go back and pay everyone for time not worked

It is high time that the USA comes first.

[Captdon]

You can stand by your false statement if you so desire, but if you were savy instead of misrepresenting that the GOP shut down the government, you would instead be celebrating that the DNC has boldly stood up for DACA kids. It makes the left seem like it has some moral footing as opposed to just sour grapes.

The left has no moral footing or moral anything.

[Captdon]

I think it's a matter of opinion so I don't think we should assume someone is not telling the truth.

I'm waiting for the President to exercise his negotiating skills that he boasted about. Where is the leadership? This is complete silliness.

It was the Dums that voted no to even having a vote on the bill. That's a fact, not an opinion. President Trump doesn't have a vote.

[Trish]

It is manufactured. The proposed senate bill gave the dems everything they wanted. The dems don't want a deal. They want to control the news cycle. And with the "media" on their side, they will attempt to lie to the American public and say the shutdown is the fault of the GOP.

Peter.....seriously? The GOP gave the Dem's "everything" they wanted? Yes, the GOP did offer some items that the Dem's wanted but you're being disingenuous to say the GOP has given the Dem's everything they asked for.

I personally think it was silly not to vote for a CR.

[zelmo1234]

I'm an open minded person. My offering multiple view points makes me a thoughtful person, not a liar.
I stand by my statement and have no regrets about offering several different views.

I have only been back on here for a few days, and My friend you are not an open minded person. Unless your definition of Open minded is DNC talking points.

I wish that you would look inside and see that what you are supporting is based on lies and deception. I don't know if you are a tool for them willingly or you have been deceived and cant see the difference

[Captdon]

I agree there is certainly some self serving in shutting the government down but let's not forget that all of this could have been avoided had the President communicated what he wanted to his own party.

I'm so discouraged when I see this constant blindness when it comes to what one political party does.

Am I living in the twilight zone or do the Republicans have power over ALL 3 branches of government? Does this escape you?

They can't force a vote when the Dums say no. Did that escape you? DACA has nothing to do with this bill. Nothing. It is just a political trick by the Dums to look good knowing no one but fools want a DACA solution without a border solution.

You always pretend to be open and non-partisan but always back whatever the lie-of-the-day is from the left. At least Bethere sticks to his guns and tell us what he thinks.

[Captdon]

Yes, it escapes him. But WE are stupid.

Fascinating.

You admit it now? You figured out that 51 isn't 60 did you?

[zelmo1234]

I'm paying attention.

But to who my friend, are you only listening to the people that are going to tell you want you want to hear??

I will suggest this, at the very least start listening to your local news. It will help some. those on the right have problem.

There is no Truth in the media

[Bethere]

You admit it now? You figured out that 51 isn't 60 did you?
We proved it last night.

[Captdon]

Cloture, not closure. And, no, cloture passes no bill. It allows you to bring a bill to the floor.

For instance, last night? No bill was voted on. There was no bill on the floor.

As for ignoring you? It is my right. I am under no obligation to cater to your mercurial whims. I think you should set an example for others and display some courtesy. I've asked you dozens of times. You do it to spite me.

No bill was voted on because the Dums wouldn't allow it. Their shutdown. They sat with their heads up their asses and did nothing.

[Captdon]

Shame on you.


Why? I don't vote for Dums.

[Captdon]

It's a funny thing. You guys loved cloture votes back then.

Imagine that. You must be a liar, too!

Find anything that says I favored cloture ever. I'll wait.

[zelmo1234]

No, the confused people are the ones with both houses and the white house who still can't get anything done.

I don't know, they have favorable polls and the people really don't want 700000 more illegals to get amnesty, The DNC just went on record that they favor illegals more than they do US citizens.

And of course the people will not have Obama this time telling the employees that remain working to make it hurt the American people.

Times are changing. I did not Vote for Mr Trump, but I will not make that mistake again.

[Captdon]

We proved it last night.

So now you admit your side screwed the pooch. About time.

[Crepitus]

I don't know, they have favorable polls and the people really don't want 700000 more illegals to get amnesty, The DNC just went on record that they favor illegals more than they do US citizens.

And of course the people will not have Obama this time telling the employees that remain working to make it hurt the American people.

Times are changing. I did not Vote for Mr Trump, but I will not make that mistake again.

Favorable polls?

The people don't want the dreamers saved?

Where have you been?

That's exactly the opposite of what the polls actually are.

[zelmo1234]

Favorable polls?
The people don't want the dreamers saved?
Where have you been?
That's exactly the opposite of what the polls actually are.

I think that you will see that you can't look at the ABC or even Rasmussen because they are so tainted.

What I base my opinion on is local look on the situation. And of course I am in the rust belt. I don't like to listen to national talk shows because it is so skewed to the coasts

I base what i am saying on the Rust belt where I live. and the reason that is so important, is because as the last election proved, the DNC can't even come close to winning a national election.

It is likely that Senate seats even here in MI will split and they are always DNC.

The democrats have lost touch with the worker and that is their demise

[hanger4]

Cloture, not closure. And, no, cloture passes no bill. It allows you to bring a bill to the floor. For instance, last night? No bill was voted on. There was no bill on the floor.As for ignoring you? It is my right. I am under no obligation to cater to your mercurial whims. I think you should set an example for others and display some courtesy. I've asked you dozens of times. You do it to spite me.Oh stop with the childish drama, you ignore all who factually refute you or point out your false statements. The courtesy is not posting false statements, the courtesy is not repeating false statements after correction, the courtesy is responding when quoted. Stop with your poor poor maligned Bethere rhetoric and grow up.

[Trish]

They can't force a vote when the Dums say no. Did that escape you? DACA has nothing to do with this bill. Nothing. It is just a political trick by the Dums to look good knowing no one but fools want a DACA solution without a border solution.

You always pretend to be open and non-partisan but always back whatever the lie-of-the-day is from the left. At least Bethere sticks to his guns and tell us what he thinks.

Capt'n - please don't use derogatory names. I've been on this site long enough to know that you can communicate without name calling.

Yes, both parties use tricks to get their way. Quite frankly I'm tired of it and I wished they'd learn how to sit down "without an audience" and hash out a compromise. It's absurd.

We should be uniting as citizens and telling them to get off the tv and in the conference rooms and start doing we we're paying them to do.

[Crepitus]

I think that you will see that you can't look at the ABC or even Rasmussen because they are so tainted.

What I base my opinion on is local look on the situation. And of course I am in the rust belt. I don't like to listen to national talk shows because it is so skewed to the coasts

I base what i am saying on the Rust belt where I live. and the reason that is so important, is because as the last election proved, the DNC can't even come close to winning a national election.

It is likely that Senate seats even here in MI will split and they are always DNC.

The democrats have lost touch with the worker and that is their demise

Rasmussen is well known to lean heavily republican and cannot be cited as a reliable source. Please show me an ABC poll that supports your assertions.

[Shady Slim]

Nonsense. Your dumbass president told us to negotiate a deal and he would take all of the heat for it. So, said bipartisan deal was negotiated and he got angry and blew it off.

But he was right. He's going to take the heat for it.





Is this what you wear to work?

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQCkQCVqBy0jLEn2e3syVF2qxvDg54xH ksbS4vimsF7gmiWxAZvsg

[Shady Slim]

Rasmussen is well known to lean heavily republican and cannot be cited as a reliable source. Please show me an ABC poll that supports your assertions.

Oh brother . . .

[Trish]

Is this what you wear to work?

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQCkQCVqBy0jLEn2e3syVF2qxvDg54xH ksbS4vimsF7gmiWxAZvsg
I'm......I......Ummmmm........yeah - leaving now. (hahahahaha)

[Crepitus]

Oh brother . . .

You may ask anyone you wish for help, even your brother.

[Ethereal]

Stop with your poor poor maligned Bethere rhetoric and grow up.
Never going to happen.

[barb012]

Its the Democrats that did this to place blame on the President. They are scum of the earth.

[pragmatic]

Is this what you wear to work?

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQCkQCVqBy0jLEn2e3syVF2qxvDg54xH ksbS4vimsF7gmiWxAZvsg


Sweet baby jeebus.

Hope to gawd that woman lost a bet. Cuz i can't imagine someone wearing that on purpose...

[Trish]

It's beyond words or comprehension why anyone would want to muddle the message with such a display of........pink. The shear idiocy from the extreme is stunning. Personally, I'm just happy she's Brazilian and not French or Italian.

[Hoosier8]

Indeed. This isn't the first time Republicans have shut down the government like petulant private school kids.

Your thoughts?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/20/with-government-shutdown-republicans-reap-what-they-sow&ved=2ahUKEwi7-bjY6uXYAhVQZKwKHXZ_DXUQFjAbegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw05TTx39NekmzwGX2P-fjEb

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/1/20/16910722/government-shutdown-2018-shut-down&ved=0ahUKEwjYnbbv6-XYAhVKeKwKHdr1BRkQqOcBCCgwAQ&usg=AOvVaw1u_EuzDm2A2Pf26_DFXSMY

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/19/politics/government-shutdown-trump-congress-latest/index.html

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/americans-blame-trump-republicans-government-shuts-poll/story?id=52465107

Takes 60 votes to end debate. Dems hold a budget bill hostage for DACA. Illegals over Americans. The new dem platform.

[pragmatic]

It's beyond words or comprehension why anyone would want to muddle the message with such a display of........pink. The shear idiocy from the extreme is stunning. Personally, I'm just happy she's Brazilian and not French or Italian.


I see what you did there.

[gamewell45]

Indeed. This isn't the first time Republicans have shut down the government like petulant private school kids.

Your thoughts?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/20/with-government-shutdown-republicans-reap-what-they-sow&ved=2ahUKEwi7-bjY6uXYAhVQZKwKHXZ_DXUQFjAbegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw05TTx39NekmzwGX2P-fjEb

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/1/20/16910722/government-shutdown-2018-shut-down&ved=0ahUKEwjYnbbv6-XYAhVKeKwKHdr1BRkQqOcBCCgwAQ&usg=AOvVaw1u_EuzDm2A2Pf26_DFXSMY

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/19/politics/government-shutdown-trump-congress-latest/index.html

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/americans-blame-trump-republicans-government-shuts-poll/story?id=52465107

I was mildly surprised that McConnell voted against the bill. After all he was pushing passage of it.

[Tahuyaman]

With government shutdown, Republicans reap what they sow
The Republicans overwhelmingly voted to keep things going. The Democrats were almost unanimous in their stance to shut it down.

[Tahuyaman]

I was mildly surprised that McConnell voted against the bill. After all he was pushing passage of it.

There is some kind of procedural rule wher had he voted yes, further negotiations on the house bill which passed would not be possible.

[Bethere]

There is some kind of procedural rule wher had he voted yes, further negotiations on the house bill which passed would not be possible.

He would have been unable to bring the bill back up for further consideration under senate rules.

[Bethere]

So now you admit your side screwed the pooch. About time.

22355

[Bethere]

Find anything that says I favored cloture ever. I'll wait.

You favored cloture just last night, lol.

[Tahuyaman]

There is some kind of procedural rule wher had he voted yes, further negotiations on the house bill which passed would not be possible.


He would have been unable to bring the bill back up for further consideration under senate rules.

As I said....

[Bethere]

60 votes in the Senate gives the power for appropriation bills, Repubs have 52, this is what escapes you and several others.

False.

[Bethere]

Oh stop with the childish drama, you ignore all who factually refute you or point out your false statements. The courtesy is not posting false statements, the courtesy is not repeating false statements after correction, the courtesy is responding when quoted. Stop with your poor poor maligned Bethere rhetoric and grow up.

End your war on bethere. It is pointless, fruitless, and destructive.

[hanger4]

False.Cloture Bethere cloture

[Bethere]

Cloture Bethere cloture

51.

[zelmo1234]

False.
You are correct, the rules should be changed back to a simple majority as they were in the beginning

[hanger4]

End your war on bethere. It is pointless, fruitless, and destructive.Stop making false statements, why is that so hard for you to underatand ??

[Kalkin]

End your war on bethere. It is pointless, fruitless, and destructive.

It's not nice to mock retards.

[hanger4]

51.60

[Bethere]

How many votes in the Senate does it take to pass appropriation bills @Bethere (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1988) ??


If your president is in power? Presumably, 50 with the vp.

Don't page me.


It matters not the party of the President, it's 60 votes for closure. Don't ignore me when I quote you and I shant "@" you.


Cloture, not closure. And, no, cloture passes no bill. It allows you to bring a bill to the floor.

For instance, last night? No bill was voted on. There was no bill on the floor.

As for ignoring you? It is my right. I am under no obligation to cater to your mercurial whims. I think you should set an example for others and display some courtesy. I've asked you dozens of times. You do it to spite me.

Cloture Bethere cloture


60 votes in the Senate gives the power for appropriation bills, Repubs have 52, this is what escapes you and several others.

51.


60

Lol. You no longer have 52 votes in the Senate. You have 51.

The 60 doesn't "give the power for appropriations bills, " rather, it gives the power to end debate and presumably to bring a bill to the floor for a vote.

I hope learning about cloture today brings you closure.

[Peter1469]

The democrats are risking a lot with their shut down.

Americans may come to see much of the government is unnecessary.

[hanger4]

Lol. You no longer have 52 votes in the Senate. You have 51.I hope learning about cloture today brings you closure.That's it Bethere ?? that's your argument ?? 51 instead of 52 and a misspelled word, seriously ?? So back to topic, the Dems held government funding hostage over the issue of illegal immigration. Shame on them.

[Bethere]

That's it Bethere ?? that's your argument ?? 51 instead of 52 and a misspelled word, seriously ?? So back to topic, the Dems held government funding hostage over the issue of illegal immigration. Shame on them.

You are arguing as if you are an expert about something you have demonstrated that you do not understand.

Such is the pretense displayed by many of our private school graduates.

[hanger4]

You are arguing as if you are an expert about something you have demonstrated that you do not understand. Such is the pretense displayed by many of our private school graduates.I understand the Dems held government funding hostage over the issue of illegal immigration. Ye ol Schumer Shutdown.

[Abby08]

That's it Bethere ?? that's your argument ?? 51 instead of 52 and a misspelled word, seriously ?? So back to topic, the Dems held government funding hostage over the issue of illegal immigration. Shame on them.

How in the hell, can this be blamed on the Republicans?

The Dems are the ones acting like big babies, if they can't get what they want, they resort to blackmail....well, it didn't work this time.... Trump called their bluff.

It is so disheartening, when we have united States citizens, shutting down the government because they can't get a deal for illegal aliens.

[Bethere]

22358

[Peter1469]

The Dems may have screwed themselves for 2018. Putting illegals ahead of Americans doesn't look good in the heart-land (aka, fly over country).

[hanger4]

22358^^reduced to cartoons ^^

[Trish]

I see what you did there.

Pretty smooth huh
......... D'oh - I did it again.

[Tahuyaman]

The democrats are risking a lot with their shut down.

Americans may come to see much of the government is unnecessary.

There's a group of hard partisans who think all government is necessary even if they can't tell us why. However, your point is spot on. Most people aren't going to feel any impact at all. This could be used to show people how less can be much better.

[gamewell45]

There is some kind of procedural rule wher had he voted yes, further negotiations on the house bill which passed would not be possible.

Okay, well that explains it then. Just goes to show you learn something new everyday.

[Grokmaster]

22365

[Mini Me]

The Repubs didn't shut the government down. The dems did.

The dems have the "media" as its typing pool, so people may be fooled into thinking the dems didn't cause this shutdown.

But the GOP is in the majority and they get to set the agenda. The dems can't say a failure to reach a deal is the GOP's fault.

But our secondary education system is so poor that the OP thought he had a point.

Peter, I find your "DNC typing pool" remarks hilarious! I envision hundreds of women sitting at IBM Selectric typewriters banging away, in a smoke filled office!

Even if this were true, its NOTHING compared to the KOCH FUNDED STINK TANKS grinding out endless propaganda that fuels the daily talking points of Rethuglican puppet tools, telling them exactly what to think and say!Then there is HATE RADIO, with gasbags like Lush Rimjob, and Savage and his ilk, brainwashing all the lo-info stooges along with FAUX GNUS and Not so Breitbart! The Rethugs have the biggest propaganda machine ever, that would make Josef Goebbels proud!

The corporate fascist line rules the day!

[Bethere]

There's a group of hard partisans who think all government is necessary even if they can't tell us why. However, your point is spot on. Most people aren't going to feel any impact at all. This could be used to show people how less can be much better.
I see it hasn't affected our national security at all. It makes me want to take out my pruning shears and start cutting away dead wood from the nearly $trillion defense budget.

[Tahuyaman]

I see it hasn't affected our national security at all. It makes me want to take out my pruning shears and start cutting away dead wood from the nearly trillion $$$ defense budget.


With liberals it's always the required function of government which gets cut.

[Bethere]

With liberals it's always the required function of government which gets cut.
Required? There is no provision in the constitution for a standing army.

[Tahuyaman]

Required? There is no provision in the constitution for a standing army.

National defense is not a required function of government?



This ought to be good.

[Kalkin]

You are arguing as if you are an expert about something you have demonstrated that you do not understand.

The irony of that statement is sublime.

[Bethere]

National defense is not a required function of government?



This ought to be good.

Why was it so required that our genius divinely inspired hero patriot founding fathers made no provisions for it?

[Tahuyaman]

Here you have it. A liberal arguing that the federal government is not required to provide for the national defense.

[Bethere]

Here you have it. A liberal arguing that the federal government is not required to provide for the national defense.

If it were required it'd be in the divinely inspired COTUS.

It isn't.

I think the shutdown will demonstrate that there's lots of room for trimming.

[Tahuyaman]

No wonder intelligent people don't take these clowns seriously.

[Bethere]

No wonder intelligent people don't take these clowns seriously.

There's no need to make this personal. We have different opinions. Am I not entitled to mine? Is there no room at tPF for rational debate?

Have you found a constitutional basis for your claims yet?

[Tahuyaman]

National defense is indeed a constitutional requirement.

[Bethere]

National defense is indeed a constitutional requirement.

There isn't even a mention of a defense department, just a department of war. Obviously, they never envisioned a $ trillion yearly peacetime defense budget.

I think the shutdown will shed light on lots of pruning opportunities.

[Tahuyaman]

There isn't even a mention of a defense department, just a department of war. Obviously, they never envisioned a $ trillion yearly peacetime defense budget.

I think the shutdown will shed light on lots of pruning opportunities.

I suggest you educate yourself on the constitutional requirement of government before you try to engage anyone.

[Bethere]

I suggest you educate yourself on the constitutional requirement of government before you try to engage anyone.

I offered you a unique opportunity to educate me. And yet you failed to offer a constitutional requirement for a $ trillion peacetime defense budget.

There isn't even a provision for a department of defense.

I think it is ripe for pruning. In short order the shutdown will illustrate this.

[MisterVeritis]

I was mildly surprised that McConnell voted against the bill. After all he was pushing passage of it.
So, you don't understand why McConnell voted with the prevailing side?

[Tahuyaman]

You're a waste of time.

[Bethere]

You're a waste of time.

So, no, you won't cooperate by showing us where your claimed constitutional requirement is?

[MisterVeritis]

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It is closer to four million illegal aliens. 700K is a lie intended to make it seem trivial to give them amnesty. Boot them out of the country. Let them apply to come back and have them go through the same process others go through.

[Bethere]

You're a waste of time.

Nuh, uh. YOU are.

[resister]

It is closer to four million illegal aliens. 700K is a lie intended to make it seem trivial to give them amnesty. Boot them out of the country. Let them apply to come back and have them go through the same process others go through.
The dirty little secret they never talk about? With amnesty comes an open door for chain migration of extended families, so take the real # and multiply by at least 4.

[Tahuyaman]

Anyone who will claim that providing for the common defense i.e. the national defense is not a constitutional requirement of government is not worthy of engaging in a discussion.

[Bethere]

Anyone who will claim that providing for the common defense i.e. the national defense is not a constitutional requirement of government is not worthy of engaging in a discussion.

Provisions for a standing army? A department of defense?

Nope.

We can probably cut that defense budget by $700 billion without endangering ourselves.

China spends just $190 billion.

Russia spends just $53 billion.

There's lots of room for pruning. The shutdown is a tremendous opportunity to shed some light on that.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/11936179/What-are-the-biggest-defence-budgets-in-the-world.html&ved=0ahUKEwiKheiD2unYAhVDMt8KHfSHCDgQFgg0MAI&usg=AOvVaw1y9kV_uAkhLlqkGA9XrQLe

[Tahuyaman]

Provisions for a standing army? A department of defense?

Nope.

How is the "common defense" accomplished? Wishing it? Telling the rest of the world we mean them no harm?

[Bethere]

How is the "common defense" accomplished? Wishing it? Telling the rest of the world we mean them no harm?

I didn't suggest we eliminate the defense department, only that we shrink it so that we might drag it across the bathroom floor and drown it in Grover Norquist's rhetorical bathtub.

With every passing moment, the shutdown proves how painless this process would be.

[Tahuyaman]

I didn't suggest we eliminate the defense department, only that we shrink it so that we might drag it across the bathroom floor and drown it in Grover Norquist's rhetorical bathtub.

With every passing moment, the shutdown proves how painless this process would be.

All one can do is shake their head.

[Bethere]

All one can do is shake their head.

Have a great day!

[Tahuyaman]

Have a great day!

That’s every day.

[hanger4]

I offered you a unique opportunity to educate me. And yet you failed to offer a constitutional requirement for a $ trillion peacetime defense budget.There isn't even a provision for a department of defense. I think it is ripe for pruning. In short order the shutdown will illustrate this.The preamble of the Constitution says provide for the common defense. Also read Article One, Section Eight of the Constitution, where in it says "To raise and support Armies," and " provide and maintain a Navy" and "To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;" just to name a few Constitutional mandates.

[Bethere]

The preamble of the Constitution says provide for the common defense. Also read Article One, Section Eight of the Constitution, where in it says "To raise and support Armies," and " provide and maintain a Navy" and "To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;" just to name a few Constitutional mandates.

All to support our department of WAR not our not listed department of defense which was started in 1949, not 1789.

This was the reason for Eisenhower's warning about the military industrial complex. The founders never envisioned a massive standing peacetime army, and they made no provisions for one.

Reading my posts is both fun and informative, but it is no substitute for a college education.

[Grokmaster]

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[hanger4]

Required? There is no provision in the constitution for a standing army.Sure there is; "To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;To provide and maintain a Navy;To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
All to support our department of WAR not our not listed department of defense which was started in 1949, not 1789."To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;" .............. It matters not what Congress named the dept. in the begining, Congress has the power to "regulate". Where is a war dept mentioned in the Constitution ??
Reading my posts is both fun and informative, but it is no substitute for a college education.It must really frustrate you to have lil ol me, so lacking in education, own you with such regularity. :rofl:

[Grokmaster]

All to support our department of WAR not our not listed department of defense which was started in 1949, not 1789.

This was the reason for Eisenhower's warning about the military industrial complex. The founders never envisioned a massive standing peacetime army, and they made no provisions for one.

Reading my posts is both fun and informative, but it is no substitute for a college education.

History of Department of DefenseThe Army, Navy, and Marine Corps were established in 1775, in concurrence with the American Revolution. The War Department was established in 1789, and was the precursor to what is now the Department of Defense.


One year later, in 1790, the Coast Guard (part of Homeland Security in peace time) was established. This was followed by the founding of the Department of the Navy in 1798.

The decision to unify the different services under one Department led to the creation of the National Military Establishment in 1947. This establishment would replace the War Department, which converted to the Department of the Army. That same year, the U.S. Air Force was established followed by the founding of the Department of the Air Force.


Finally, the three military branches, Army, Navy, and Air Force, were placed under the direct control of the new Secretary of Defense, confirmed by Senate.

In 1949, an amendment to the National Security Act further consolidated the national defense structure by withdrawing cabinet-level status from the three Service secretaries. The National Military Establishment was then renamed the Department of Defense.



Der..umm....duh....

[leekohler2]

The Repubs didn't shut the government down. The dems did.

The dems have the "media" as its typing pool, so people may be fooled into thinking the dems didn't cause this shutdown.

But the GOP is in the majority and they get to set the agenda. The dems can't say a failure to reach a deal is the GOP's fault.

But our secondary education system is so poor that the OP thought he had a point.

Oh, I'm sorry- did you miss the fact that most people did not vote for Trump? We're fighting back, peter. And no, the GOP does not get to set any agenda.

Did you miss the Women's March this weekend? You all better wake up. Those last few special elections were not a fluke.

[Bethere]

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[resister]

Oh, I'm sorry- did you miss the fact that most people did not vote for Trump? We're fighting back, peter. And no, the GOP does not get to set any agenda.

Did you miss the Women's March this weekend? You all better wake up. Those last few special elections were not a fluke.

We are shaking in our boots, your repeated post that "we had better wake up" are the harbinger of Republican doom! :tongue:

[resister]

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I wont be voting for Monica Lewinskies Ex boyfriend's Wife.

[Bethere]

History of Department of Defense

The Army, Navy, and Marine Corps were established in 1775, in concurrence with the American Revolution. The War Department was established in 1789, and was the precursor to what is now the Department of Defense.


One year later, in 1790, the Coast Guard (part of Homeland Security in peace time) was established. This was followed by the founding of the Department of the Navy in 1798.

The decision to unify the different services under one Department led to the creation of the National Military Establishment in 1947. This establishment would replace the War Department, which converted to the Department of the Army. That same year, the U.S. Air Force was established followed by the founding of the Department of the Air Force.


Finally, the three military branches, Army, Navy, and Air Force, were placed under the direct control of the new Secretary of Defense, confirmed by Senate.

In 1949, an amendment to the National Security Act further consolidated the national defense structure by withdrawing cabinet-level status from the three Service secretaries. The National Military Establishment was then renamed the Department of Defense.



Der..umm....duh....

That's right. There was no department of defense before 1949. We really never had a massive peacetime army tasked with anything like 2 1/2 war preparedness.

And never confuse things that happened under the articles of confederation with the constitution.

Another discussion has reached its conclusion.

[Bethere]

Indeed. This isn't the first time Republicans have shut down the government like petulant private school kids.

Your thoughts?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/20/with-government-shutdown-republicans-reap-what-they-sow&ved=2ahUKEwi7-bjY6uXYAhVQZKwKHXZ_DXUQFjAbegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw05TTx39NekmzwGX2P-fjEb

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/1/20/16910722/government-shutdown-2018-shut-down&ved=0ahUKEwjYnbbv6-XYAhVKeKwKHdr1BRkQqOcBCCgwAQ&usg=AOvVaw1u_EuzDm2A2Pf26_DFXSMY

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/19/politics/government-shutdown-trump-congress-latest/index.html

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/americans-blame-trump-republicans-government-shuts-poll/story?id=52465107

[Shady Slim]

I'm an open minded person. My offering multiple view points makes me a thoughtful person, not a liar.

I stand by my statement and have no regrets about offering several different views.

Strategically omitting words to further your agenda is not being "thoughtful".

[Shady Slim]

It's a funny thing. You guys loved cloture votes back then.

Imagine that. You must be a liar, too!

Thanks for the admission of being a liar.

[Shady Slim]

Nuh, uh. YOU are.

Very intelligent answer.


I am waiting for the "I am rubber, bounces off me and back to you" statement.

[Shady Slim]

Favorable polls?

The people don't want the dreamers saved?

Where have you been?

That's exactly the opposite of what the polls actually are.

Polls are simply unreliable anymore. Anyone that uses "polls" in any argument has no facts. Ask Hillary about polls.

[stjames1_53]

http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Bethere http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=2266875#post2266875)
Indeed. This isn't the first time Republicans have shut down the government like petulant private school kids.

Your thoughts?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...ekmzwGX2P-fjEb (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/20/with-government-shutdown-republicans-reap-what-they-sow&ved=2ahUKEwi7-bjY6uXYAhVQZKwKHXZ_DXUQFjAbegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw05TTx39NekmzwGX2P-fjEb)

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...2A2Pf26_DFXSMY (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/1/20/16910722/government-shutdown-2018-shut-down&ved=0ahUKEwjYnbbv6-XYAhVKeKwKHdr1BRkQqOcBCCgwAQ&usg=AOvVaw1u_EuzDm2A2Pf26_DFXSMY)

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/19/politi...est/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/19/politics/government-shutdown-trump-congress-latest/index.html)

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ameri...ry?id=52465107 (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/americans-blame-trump-republicans-government-shuts-poll/story?id=52465107)

The dems are responsible. You're blaming the Repubs for something the Dems did....as usual they are the ones holding the senate hostage because we won't cave in to their DACA program. Be prepared for a great many setbacks....
http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/21/dems-polled-government-shutdown/
http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/20/media-blames-dems-for-shutdown/
your biotch Schumer is the one throwing a temper tantrum............
how many illegals do you have living in your home, that you are paying for everything?

[stjames1_53]

Oh, I'm sorry- did you miss the fact that most people did not vote for Trump? We're fighting back, peter. And no, the GOP does not get to set any agenda.

Did you miss the Women's March this weekend? You all better wake up. Those last few special elections were not a fluke.

take away the double voters, dead voters, and illegal voters, and you do not have the majority.
What is it about total corruption that you would have put granny cankles in office? She has a trail of bodies lining her road to where ever she goes. and what about teh pay to play scheme Congress is looking into?
You had hoped she would have won so she wouldn't have to answer for her crimes.

[hanger4]

There was no point for the Dems to force a cloture vote. The Dems are responsible, this is "Schumer's Shutdown".

[stjames1_53]

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let he who doesn't care slander a better person.
and proof? You have proof? of course not. It never happened.

[hanger4]

That's right. There was no department of defense before 1949. We really never had a massive peacetime army tasked with anything like 2 1/2 war preparedness. And never confuse things that happened under the articles of confederation with the constitution. Another discussion has reached its conclusion.You're right Bethere, we didn't have a Department of Defense before 1949. What did we have, the United States Department of War, and how was it established ??

[Grokmaster]

That's right. There was no department of defense before 1949. We really never had a massive peacetime army tasked with anything like 2 1/2 war preparedness.

And never confuse things that happened under the articles of confederation with the constitution.

Another discussion has reached its conclusion.

We have had a STANDING ARMY and NAVY since the Revolutionary War.

The CONSTITUTIONLLY MANDATED WAR DEPT. , IS the Defense Department, with a NEW NAME.

Stop being ridiculous.

[Grokmaster]

Democrats have chosen ILLEGALS over Americans, and the NATION KNOWS IT.

Thank you for the MIDTERMS...

[Hoosier8]

Indeed. This isn't the first time Republicans have shut down the government like petulant private school kids.

Your thoughts?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/20/with-government-shutdown-republicans-reap-what-they-sow&ved=2ahUKEwi7-bjY6uXYAhVQZKwKHXZ_DXUQFjAbegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw05TTx39NekmzwGX2P-fjEb

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/1/20/16910722/government-shutdown-2018-shut-down&ved=0ahUKEwjYnbbv6-XYAhVKeKwKHdr1BRkQqOcBCCgwAQ&usg=AOvVaw1u_EuzDm2A2Pf26_DFXSMY

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/19/politics/government-shutdown-trump-congress-latest/index.html

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/americans-blame-trump-republicans-government-shuts-poll/story?id=52465107

You think democrats holding a budget hostage for DACA is the republicans doings? Go figure.

[stjames1_53]

our thoughts, evidently, were not well received..................

[hanger4]

CAVE: Democrats Abandon Shutdown, Agree To McConnell Plan In Exchange For....................Nothing

[Grokmaster]

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[Bethere]

let he who doesn't care slander a better person.
and proof? You have proof? of course not. It never happened.

I am flawed but I am a WAAAAY better person/role model than Trump.

[Bethere]

You think democrats holding a budget hostage for DACA is the republicans doings? Go figure.

I do.

[Bethere]

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Wall? No. Sanctuary cities? Yes.

What a win for the mighty Trump.

[Bethere]

Chain migration? Still there. Immigration lottery? Still there.

Lol.

[pragmatic]

Chain migration? Still there. Immigration lottery? Still there.

Lol.

Those items will almost certainly be key elements of the DACA legislation negotiations.

[Abby08]

Chain migration? Still there. Immigration lottery? Still there.

Lol.

You're for those things? Even now, with what's been happening?

How? Why?

[stjames1_53]

one program at a time. wait for it...you'll have less than a wait than your predictions.
DACA is DOA

[Abby08]

Those items will almost certainly be key elements of the DACA legislation negotiations.

Yeah, those things have yet to be hammered out.

[Bethere]

You're for those things? Even now, with what's been happening?

How? Why?

Because they make sense. The only way our economy can grow is through immigration. Our birth rate is too low.

[Abby08]

Because they make sense.

Sanctuary cities make sense to you? DACA, I can see both sides, even though I think it should be ended, but, sanctuary cities?!

[Bethere]

Sanctuary cities make sense to you? DACA, I can see both sides, even though I think it should be ended, but, sanctuary cities?!

Yes. You asked my opinion. I gave it to you.

[Abby08]

Yes. You asked my opinion. I gave it to you.

Ok. Don't you consider that, "welfare?" I mean, if a military career constitutes welfare, isn't taking care of thousands of illegals, the same?

[Bethere]

Ok. Don't you consider that, "welfare?" I mean, if a military career constitutes welfare, isn't taking care of thousands of illegals, the same?

I have no issues with welfare. I'm a Christian.

[Bethere]

Those items will almost certainly be key elements of the DACA legislation negotiations.

We'll see.

[Grokmaster]

NO DACA anything; Schumer showed the while country that the Illegalocrats cannot be trusted to have the interests of American citizens as their top priority.

It will get them SCORCHED in the midterms.

[Tahuyaman]

With government shutdown, Republicans reap what they sow

Indeed. This isn't the first time Republicans have shut down the government like petulant private school kids.

Your thoughts?

Even the house organs of the DNC, the NY Times, Politico, the Huffington post and the Washington Post have acknowledged that this idiotic stunt was a Democratic Party fiasco. Just what will the Republicans reap from this?

[Tahuyaman]

I have no issues with welfare. I'm a Christian.
Freeloading is not a Christian principle.

[Grokmaster]

I have no issues with welfare. I'm a Christian.

Cannot be pro-abortion and a follower of Yeshua, sorry.

[Tahuyaman]

Cannot be pro-abortion and a follower of Yeshua, sorry.

I know several liberals who are also devout Christians. All are pro life and anti abortion.

[Bethere]

Cannot be pro-abortion and a follower of Yeshua, sorry.

Who said I was pro abortion?

I'd be inclined to discuss it with you but you've already judged me.

So stick it in your ear.

[Grokmaster]

I know several liberals who are also devout Christians. All are pro life and anti abortion.
Then they have abandoned their Faith.

[Grokmaster]

Who said I was pro abortion?

I'd be inclined to discuss it with you but you've already judged me.

So stick it in your ear.
Are you really that juvenile?
If you're not just come out and say so.

We know better than that, don't we?

I'm adamantly against abortion.

There...no problem for me to say what I believe in, and I don't have to play silly little child games about it, like you.

Must suck to be unable to express your views in leftbubble...

[resister]

Ok. Don't you consider that, "welfare?" I mean, if a military career constitutes welfare, isn't taking care of thousands of illegals, the same?

But they are all hard working breadwinners! lol

[Grokmaster]

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[Tahuyaman]

I know several liberals who are also devout Christians. All are pro life and anti abortion.


Then they have abandoned their Faith.


Just the opposite. They maintained their Christian faith and don't view liberalsm as a religion as most liberals do.

[Grokmaster]

Just the opposite. They maintained their Christian faith and don't view liberalsm as a religion as most liberals do.
Oh..MY BAD.

I misread your prior comment. I thought it said "pro-abortion" instead of "pro-life"

Apologies.

[Tahuyaman]

I know several liberals who are also devout Christians. All are pro life and anti abortion.


Oh..MY BAD.

I misread your prior comment. I thought it said "pro-abortion" instead of "pro-life"

Apologies.

I figured you misread my comment. It seemed out of character for you, That's why I didn't slam you.

[resister]

I know several liberals who are also devout Christians. All are pro life and anti abortion.
That is like a liberal gun owner, they better not be to vocal about it or their fellows will shun them like an excommunicated Amish.

[resister]

22408
Right on the mark. If dimcrats could, they would pass a law to kick you out of your home to set up some border jumpers.

[Tahuyaman]

That is like a liberal gun owner, they better not be to vocal about it or their fellows will shun them like an excommunicated Amish.
You got that one right. Liberalsm is generally considered a religion and abortion is a blessed sacrament.

[Bethere]

You got that one right. Liberalsm is generally considered a religion and abortion is a blessed sacrament.

Nonsense. Quit telling us what our religions are. That is seriously disrespectful.

[Tahuyaman]

You got that one right. Liberalsm is generally considered a religion and abortion is a blessed sacrament.


Nonsense. Quit telling us what our religions are. That is seriously disrespectful.


It's true. Deal with it, or change.

[resister]

Nonsense. Quit telling us what our religions are. That is seriously disrespectful.
Your offense is amusing, you don't get to tell people what to say.

Abortion is a liberal sacrament, along with criminal foreign invaders and mentally ill people urinating in the wrong bathroom.

[Bethere]

Your offense is amusing, you don't get to tell people what to say.

Abortion is a liberal sacrament, along with criminal foreign invaders and mentally ill people urinating in the wrong bathroom.

Imagine what they could say about you.

[Tahuyaman]

Let's get back to the topic here. What exact will Republicans reap because of the failed political stunt by the Democrats?

[resister]

Imagine what they could say about you.
Some of them have a bit of class, see if they are willing to teach you.

[resister]

Let's get back to the topic here. What exact will Republicans reap because of the failed political stunt by the Democrats?
Increase in votes?

[stjames1_53]

Nonsense. Quit telling us what our religions are. That is seriously disrespectful.
oh, my.....suffering under the faux outrage via TDS.......................you have no problem telling us what to believe.
Well, bucko, we're still waiting for the treason and collusion charges you foisted over a year ago. Now, believe that one

[Ransom]

Bethere

Did you blink again, Bethere? Another line drawn in the sand and Trump just kicks it all in your face? Defeated again?

What are you....like 1-17 since last November 2016, Doug Jones your only victory.....and of course....he went against Dem base and voted to end the shutdown.

1-17 ain't that good a record Bethere, ever think of firing your coaches or drafting better players?

Don't answer, I can't see it.

[Bethere]

oh, my.....suffering under the faux outrage via TDS.......................you have no problem telling us what to believe.
Well, bucko, we're still waiting for the treason and collusion charges you foisted over a year ago. Now, believe that one

You are so impatient. It's pretty obvious that Trump is being blackmailed as I have maintained all along. Trials start in May, so you don't have to wait much longer.

Love,

Your mighty Bethere.

[Bethere]

@Bethere (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1988)

Did you blink again, Bethere? Another line drawn in the sand and Trump just kicks it all in your face? Defeated again?

What are you....like 1-17 since last November 2016, Doug Jones your only victory.....and of course....he went against Dem base and voted to end the shutdown.

1-17 ain't that good a record Bethere, ever think of firing your coaches or drafting better players?

Don't answer, I can't see it.

Your memory sucks. I drew no lines. I didn't even pick a winner in the Jones race. Certainly I haven't blinked.

THAT is what pisses you off. You can't get me to sweat.

I think that you are about to cry.

[hanger4]

You are so impatient. It's pretty obvious that Trump is being blackmailed as I have maintained all along. Trials start in May, so you don't have to wait much longer.Love,Your mighty Bethere.The Manaford Gates trials are unrelated to Trump.