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Conley
12-09-2012, 06:23 PM
Hundreds of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans with post-traumatic stress have recently contacted a husband-and-wife team who work in suburban South Carolina to seek help. Many are desperate, pleading for treatment and willing to travel to get it.
The soldiers have no interest in traditional talking cures or prescription drugs that have given them little relief. They are lining up to try an alternative: MDMA, better known as Ecstasy, a party drug that surfaced in the 1980s and ’90s that can induce pulses of euphoria and a radiating affection. Government regulators criminalized the drug in 1985, placing it on a list of prohibited substances that includes heroin and LSD. But in recent years, regulators have licensed a small number of labs to produce MDMA for research purposes.
“I feel survivor’s guilt, both for coming back from Iraq alive and now for having had a chance to do this therapy,” said Anthony, a 25-year-old living near Charleston, S.C., who asked that his last name not be used because of the stigma of taking the drug. “I’m a different person because of it.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/20/health/ecstasy-treatment-for-post-traumatic-stress-shows-promise.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&
Seems risky but living with PTSD must be awful...the volunteers are willing to take the risk I guess
Adelaide
12-09-2012, 07:04 PM
I actually already posted about this! http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/9166-Ecstasy-and-PTSD
It's interesting that we're coming back to using these sorts of drugs in a therapeutic way.
Conley
12-09-2012, 07:07 PM
Ooops, I'm really sorry. Your other thread made me think of this story...now that I think about it this is probably where I first heard about it. I am a stooge. :laugh: :embarrassed:
waltky
08-24-2016, 12:28 AM
Potent pills...
http://www.politicalforum.com/images/smilies/confused.gif
The growing popularity, and potency, of ecstasy and MDMA
Tue, 23 Aug 2016 - With ecstasy, or MDMA, being bought more freely on the dark net, the drug is growing in popularity - and in strength.
Ecstasy, or MDMA, is becoming more readily available to buy, particularly on the so-called "dark web". And this has seen the drug grow in popularity, and in strength. Leslie - not his real name - is 18, and has come with friends to Nass festival in Somerset - an event that celebrates music, skating and BMX riding. It has a zero-tolerance policy on drugs, but it is clear to see that this is being defied. The drug of choice appears to be MDMA. Leslie has 24 pills with him, which he bought for £85 on the dark web - a hidden area of the internet accessible only through certain browsers.
In May, the European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction (EMCDDA) reported that high-strength tablets and powders were becoming more easily available, and Leslie's are the most potent he has ever taken. He says it is the first time he has ever been scared of what he is using. "Just when I was walking to one of the sets, it suddenly hit me and I was off my face," he says. "Normally, I react well - I'd be happy, just really excited." Festival organiser Ryan Matthews is clear that "if people are caught with any illegal drugs on site, they are ejected". But there are other worries too, of which Leslie is well aware. "You're taking the word [of] the dealers themselves," he says, regarding the content of the pills. Many illegal drugs are diluted with other cutting agents - in some cases, horse tranquilliser or rat poison.
http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/320/cpsprodpb/1085E/production/_90887676_de27-3.jpg
"Leslie" at Nass festival
About 10% of ecstasy users buy the drug on the dark net, according to a sample of 50,000 people by the Global Drug Survey, and Leslie believes this is the "smart" choice. Without a middleman, he says, the purity of the drug is maintained. "Stupid people will get dirty stuff from the streets," he adds. 'I'm a mother no longer' The devastating effects of ecstasy, however, are well documented. There has been a fourfold increase in British female clubbers seeking emergency medical treatment in the past three years, according to the Global Drug Survey 2016.
Michelle Shevlin's 22-year-old daughter, Stephanie, died in June after taking a pill in a nightclub. "When I found out MDMA was one of the causes of her death, I was really angry, upset, very annoyed," she says. "I still am annoyed." "It's hard to understand how someone can be here one minute and not the next. "I do cry - I cry to sleep, I cry when I wake up, I cry just cleaning the house. "It doesn't get any easier, and the days at the moment seem to be getting longer and harder." Ms Shevlin has a clear message for the dealer who supplied the drug that caused her daughter's death. "I just hope that person is losing sleep every night they're alive... because I'm a mother no longer," she says.
'Lottery' of illegal drugs (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37156380)
Ethereal
08-24-2016, 10:22 AM
Not that I know from experience or anything, but I hear ecstasy is the best drug ever.
exploited
08-24-2016, 10:25 AM
Not that I know from experience or anything, but I hear ecstasy is the best drug ever.
It is fun, but you have to be careful that you are getting pure MDMA, and that it isn't mixed with any speed or meth. Whereas mushrooms make you feel connected to the earth, MDMA makes you feel connected to people. It offers some unique insights into how people socialize, and I can definitely see how it could be used therapeutically. I like to do it every couple of years on a special event, like New Years, but it isn't something I would ever want to take regularly.
Private Pickle
08-24-2016, 10:32 AM
The drug stems from it's creation in the 70's I think to treat couples who were having intimacy problems with great success. It quickly became a street drug and a problem so instead of working the problem they outlawed the drug.
The drug has tons of medical applications... This is just one more infringement on the rights of the people and one that comes with the cost of losing any benefits derived.
Cletus
08-24-2016, 10:41 AM
Another crutch for the weak and feeble minded.
Ethereal
08-24-2016, 11:42 AM
Another crutch for the weak and feeble minded.
Yea, that must be it.
Mister D
08-24-2016, 11:54 AM
Not that I know from experience or anything, but I hear ecstasy is the best drug ever.
I've tried it once and it was OK. Young adults seem to like it but heroin (powder) was a much better experience. That might just be because of my personality and how my brain is wired.
Mind you, I only tried both and haven't had them again in over 15 years.
I actually already posted about this! http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/9166-Ecstasy-and-PTSD
It's interesting that we're coming back to using these sorts of drugs in a therapeutic way.
The truth will out....
Cletus
08-24-2016, 12:25 PM
Yea, that must be it.
That is it.
PTSD is the second biggest scam of the last hundred years.
Chloe
08-24-2016, 12:31 PM
That is it.
PTSD is the second biggest scam of the last hundred years.
the people with PTSD probably disagree with you
Cletus
08-24-2016, 12:34 PM
the people with PTSD probably disagree with you
Do you mean the many people who CLAIM to have PTSD or the very few who actually suffer from it?
Chloe
08-24-2016, 12:38 PM
Do you mean the many people who CLAIM to have PTSD or the very few who actually suffer from it?
Sure there is a difference between someone that claims to have it and someone that is legitimately diagnosed with it, but the problem is that there are many soldiers that come home from from war that have experienced things that have changed them. Counseling is not a sign of weakness in my opinion, even if it's just to make sure you're ok and adjusting back to normal life.
exploited
08-24-2016, 12:43 PM
Do you mean the many people who CLAIM to have PTSD or the very few who actually suffer from it?
PTSD is well-documented and established by medical literature.
"Diagnostic criteria for PTSD include a history of exposure to a traumatic event that meets specific stipulations and symptoms from each of four symptom clusters: intrusion, avoidance, negative alterations in cognitions and mood, and alterations in arousal and reactivity. The sixth criterion concerns duration of symptoms; the seventh assesses functioning; and, the eighth criterion clarifies symptoms as not attributable to a substance or co-occurring medical condition."
You're simply wrong.
Do you mean the many people who CLAIM to have PTSD or the very few who actually suffer from it?
Do you understand that PTSD is a range mental illness? You seem to be considering only the most severe cases as being worthy of threatment. PTSD is not like a disease, where you either have it, or you don't. It is very similar to gunshot wounds, which can range from being grazed in the arm, to getting shot five times in the torso. Range. Except it is the mind, not the body, that is affected.
Would you treat gut-shot patients and ignore or laugh at patients with less serious gunshot wounds?
Full disclosure: My wife has never been shot or wounded, yet she is diagnosed with schizophrenia complicated by PSTD and chronic depression. All stem from being raised in a dysfunctional (mommy kept landing men to screw by using her little girl as bait) Christian fundamentalist (JW) household for the first 14 years of her life. So, yeah, I think your opinion is sh!t.
Cletus
08-24-2016, 01:06 PM
Sure there is a difference between someone that claims to have it and someone that is legitimately diagnosed with it, but the problem is that there are many soldiers that come home from from war that have experienced things that have changed them. Counseling is not a sign of weakness in my opinion, even if it's just to make sure you're ok and adjusting back to normal life.
War changes everybody. It always has and probably always will. Nobody goes off to combat and comes back the same person he was before he left.
Before some idiot with a psychology degree decided that people SHOULD be screwed up in the head after a combat tour, guys went, did their duty and came home and did what needed to be done back here. They got jobs. They started families. They built lives in the community. Maybe for a while, they got startled by sudden loud noises or had a little trouble sleeping, but they dealt with it until it was no longer a problem.
What they didn't do is come back and cower in a corner waiting from someone from the government to come give them some meds and hold their hands to get over their "trauma".
I suspect that a lot of the people who allegedly suffer from PTSD today do so because they know they are expected to and if they don't, there is something wrong with them. I have an acquaintance who is a shrink. He has a contract with the state to do psych evals on police officers and does a bunch of other junk I care nothing about. He cornered my wife one day and asked her if I ever displayed any indication that I might be suffering from PTSD, because with my background, he would be surprised if I didn't. He told her he would be more than happy to sit down with me and have a couple of informal sessions... you now, just to chat and kind of get a feel for things.
She explained to him in no uncertain terms (but politely) that it would be very much in his best interest to never suggest that directly to me.
We, as a society have made people weak. We encourage them to be weak. For some reason, we seem to want them to be weak.
Cletus
08-24-2016, 01:09 PM
PTSD is well-documented and established by medical literature.
"Diagnostic criteria for PTSD include a history of exposure to a traumatic event that meets specific stipulations and symptoms from each of four symptom clusters: intrusion, avoidance, negative alterations in cognitions and mood, and alterations in arousal and reactivity. The sixth criterion concerns duration of symptoms; the seventh assesses functioning; and, the eighth criterion clarifies symptoms as not attributable to a substance or co-occurring medical condition."
You're simply wrong.
Medical literature can call whatever it wants to "PTSD", and drones like you would just nod your head and encourage them to dope up Dick or Jane and write them off as productive members of society.
exploited
08-24-2016, 01:14 PM
Medical literature can call whatever it wants to "PTSD", and drones like you would just nod your head and encourage them to dope up Dick or Jane and write them off as productive members of society.
Lashing out against me personally doesn't make your opinion any less wrong.
Cletus
08-24-2016, 01:17 PM
Lashing out against me personally doesn't make your opinion any less wrong.
I am not lashing out against you personally. I am saying you are typical of the type of person who engages in thew activity I described.
You really do like to pretend these threads are all about you. That is actually pretty funny.
exploited
08-24-2016, 01:19 PM
I am not lashing out against you personally. I am saying you are typical of the type of person who engages in thew activity I described.
You really do like to pretend these threads are all about you. That is actually pretty funny.
None of what you have said or are currently saying makes your argument any more sound. You've simply failed to say anything based on logic or rationality, and are now attacking combat veterans and other posters in order to conceal the inadequacy of your own argument.
Cletus
08-24-2016, 01:27 PM
None of what you have said or are currently saying makes your argument any more sound. You've simply failed to say anything based on logic or rationality, and are now attacking combat veterans and other posters in order to conceal the inadequacy of your own argument.
Attacking combat veterans? You are full of shit. You threw that out because your little feelings got hurt.
Get over yourself.
Oh my... maybe I should be careful here. I might say something to traumatize you and and we'll end up paying for your treatment for PTSD for years to come.
exploited
08-24-2016, 01:31 PM
Attacking combat veterans? You are full of $#@!. You threw that out because your little feelings got hurt.
Get over yourself.
Oh my... maybe I should be careful here. I might say something to traumatize you and and we'll end up paying for your treatment for PTSD for years to come.
Yes, attacking combat veterans. What else do you call it when you accuse them of being weak?
Don't worry about me. The opinions of irrational, embittered and mean-spirited people have literally zero impact on my sense of self-worth.
Continuing to speak gibberish about topics you clearly have no understanding of is up to you. But again, it doesn't make your nonsensical argument sensical.
Lashing out against me personally doesn't make your opinion any less wrong.
Its what they do....
All they know how to do....
Cletus
08-24-2016, 02:27 PM
Yes, attacking combat veterans. What else do you call it when you accuse them of being weak?
Many of them are weak and identifying them as such is not "attacking them". Many of the are weak because they have been conditioned by people like you to be weak, not because it is an inherent part of their character.
Don't worry about me.
I would have to care about what happens to you in order to worry about you. That's not happening.
The opinions of irrational, embittered and mean-spirited people have literally zero impact on my sense of self-worth.
Keep your sense of self worth. It may be the only worth you have.
War changes everybody. It always has and probably always will. Nobody goes off to combat and comes back the same person he was before he left.
Before some idiot with a psychology degree decided that people SHOULD be screwed up in the head after a combat tour, guys went, did their duty and came home and did what needed to be done back here. They got jobs. They started families. They built lives in the community. Maybe for a while, they got startled by sudden loud noises or had a little trouble sleeping, but they dealt with it until it was no longer a problem.
What they didn't do is come back and cower in a corner waiting from someone from the government to come give them some meds and hold their hands to get over their "trauma".
I suspect that a lot of the people who allegedly suffer from PTSD today do so because they know they are expected to and if they don't, there is something wrong with them. I have an acquaintance who is a shrink. He has a contract with the state to do psych evals on police officers and does a bunch of other junk I care nothing about. He cornered my wife one day and asked her if I ever displayed any indication that I might be suffering from PTSD, because with my background, he would be surprised if I didn't. He told her he would be more than happy to sit down with me and have a couple of informal sessions... you now, just to chat and kind of get a feel for things.
She explained to him in no uncertain terms (but politely) that it would be very much in his best interest to never suggest that directly to me.
We, as a society have made people weak. We encourage them to be weak. For some reason, we seem to want them to be weak.
I assume that the meaning of the next to last paragraph is that you would have done violence to the psychologist if he had suggested a PTSD diagnosis to you. That is actually worrisome. Violence and lashing out is quite often a sign of unrecognized and untreated PTSD. And that is dangerous to the people around you. Are we going to read about you committing suicide by cop in a clock tower someday?
Your little rant reminds me of Neidermeyer (time 2:17).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Dy2fo6E_pI
exploited
08-24-2016, 02:31 PM
Many of them are weak and identifying them as such is not "attacking them". Many of the are weak because they have been conditioned by people like you to be weak, not because it is an inherent part of their character.
I would have to care about what happens to you in order to worry about you. That's not happening.
Keep your sense of self worth. It may be the only worth you have.
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Cletus
08-24-2016, 03:08 PM
I assume that the meaning of the next to last paragraph is that you would have done violence to the psychologist if he had suggested a PTSD diagnosis to you.
You assume that because you are a bigoted little idiot.
You assume that because you are a bigoted little idiot.
"She explained to him in no uncertain terms (but politely) that it would be very much in his best interest to never suggest that directly to me."
Do you have an alternative explanation? Perfect forum to say it.
http://www.touregypt.net/images/touregypt/nile7.jpg
Cletus
08-25-2016, 12:20 AM
"She explained to him in no uncertain terms (but politely) that it would be very much in his best interest to never suggest that directly to me."
Do you have an alternative explanation? Perfect forum to say it.
It is simple. she knew that if he brought up the subject with me, he would have received a rather lengthy earful about how he and his ilk are little more than enablers who cause more problems that they ever fix.
Now, go start another tPF thread and ban everyone who dares to be honest with you. Show everybody just how weak you really are.
It is simple. she knew that if he brought up the subject with me, he would have received a rather lengthy earful about how he and his ilk are little more than enablers who cause more problems that they ever fix.
I knew you could do it! Coming up with a prosaic and pedestrian justification for a drama-llama original response. Very good.
Now, go start another tPF thread and ban everyone who dares to be honest with you. Show everybody just how weak you really are.
So... honesty = name calling? Alternatively, you can't think of a way to say something that isn't stepped in ad hom and other logical fallacy?
Jesus God, what the hell, are you 12?
Ethereal
08-25-2016, 07:58 AM
That is it.
PTSD is the second biggest scam of the last hundred years.
So you've never gotten drunk before?
Cletus
08-25-2016, 09:04 AM
So you've never gotten drunk before?
One time... January 1977.
It was a team thing. We were OCONUS, getting ready to come back after a lengthy deployment and since I was known as a non-drinker, they targeted me with drink after drink. Like an idiot, I went along with them that time.
I didn't like the sensation and decided I would never do it again. That was the last time I consumed an alcoholic beverage.
Was there a point to your question?
Cletus
08-25-2016, 09:05 AM
I knew you could do it! Coming up with a prosaic and pedestrian justification for a drama-llama original response. Very good.
So... honesty = name calling? Alternatively, you can't think of a way to say something that isn't stepped in ad hom and other logical fallacy?
Jesus God, what the hell, are you 12?
You abuse the tPF function more than anyone else on the forum except TrueBlue. You both do it because you are weak.
You abuse the tPF function more than anyone else on the forum except TrueBlue. You both do it because you are weak.
LOL, you tPF-weepers sound like little kids. "WHAAAAAA!!!!! Daddy won't let us poke sticks at the stray dog!!!!! WHAAAAAAAAA!"
Grow the fuk up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Dy2fo6E_pI
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