New Idea Democrats

[Tahuyaman]

The Democrats want to tell us that they are progressive. They want to claim that they are the party if new ideas and fresh faces.


The state of the Union address is coming up. The Democrats have announced that the Democratic response will be delivered by a Kennedy.


How is that demonstrating that the Democrats represent new ideas. A member of a tradional liberal Democratic Party dynasty being rolled out. It looks like the same old stuff from the same old political establishment.

[Trish]

I agree that some have been representatives for far too long for a variety of reasons but we could say that for both parties. The democrats do not have as many "new" members as the republicans do so the pool of candidates to respond isn't as deep.

I'm far more curious to know what the President has to say. What issues are you hoping to hear about?

[IMPress Polly]

If you're looking for fresh faces in the Democratic Party, don't look to the party leadership and their choices! Look to the resistance and the candidates we're getting nominated in the Democratic primaries and then more often than not actually elected. You may have noticed, looking at examples like Virginia from last year, that they are dominantly just ordinary people with no prior history of working in government. If you're looking for change in Democratic Party politics, look to our movement and our candidates, NOT the Democratic Party leadership. We don't have much representation in the government right now, but wait until after this year's midterms! Seriously. The resistance is where all the energy is.

[Tahuyaman]

I agree that some have been representatives for far too long for a variety of reasons but we could say that for both parties. The democrats do not have as many "new" members as the republicans do so the pool of candidates to respond isn't as deep.

I'm far more curious to know what the President has to say. What issues are you hoping to hear about?

Contrary to the liberal orthodoxy, conservatives embrace change. It's just that the change needs to be well thought out and gradual. Not just implemented in a willy-nilly manner. Not forced.


Democrats seem to be trotting out the same old establishment approved ideas they have been advocating for generations. They preach change in an attempt to decieve. They never change.


I'm hoping the president tells us that his focus will be on removing even more needless government regulations which have been choking our economy for more than a decade and securing our borders and controlling immigration.

[countryboy]

If you're looking for fresh faces in the Democratic Party, don't look to the party leadership and their choices! Look to the resistance and the candidates we're getting nominated in the Democratic primaries and then more often than not actually elected. You may have noticed, looking at examples like Virginia from last year, that they are dominantly just ordinary people with no prior history of working in government. If you're looking for change in Democratic Party politics, look to our movement and our candidates, NOT the Democratic Party leadership. We don't have much representation in the government right now, but wait until after this year's midterms! Seriously. The resistance is where all the energy is.

"Teh Resistance", is nothing more than a reiteration of "Occupy". Why would you expect the same Anti-American/petulant child act to work out any better this time around? These ideas are as old as the Marx/Engels philosophies they are rooted in. It's anything but "fresh".

[Kacper]

The concept of fresh faces is fine in theory. In reality, those fresh faces are daft people who will carry water for the party all day long without coming up with anything original on their own, so they are going to be just as bad, if not worse, in the end. Progressives need to abandon the DNC altogether and either take control of the green party or form a new party altogether, and commit to not supporting the DNC when they come in and try to still their successes from behind.

[Captdon]

Democrats haven't had a good new idea since the CRA of 1964. After that they went full out socialist.

[Crepitus]

The Democrats want to tell us that they are progressive. They want to claim that they are the party if new ideas and fresh faces.


The state of the Union address is coming up. The Democrats have announced that the Democratic response will be delivered by a Kennedy.


How is that demonstrating that the Democrats represent new ideas. A member of a tradional liberal Democratic Party dynasty being rolled out. It looks like the same old stuff from the same old political establishment.

I'm with ya. We need term limits and some way to bust dynasties like Kennedys and bushs.

[Tahuyaman]

I'm with ya. We need term limits and some way to bust dynasties like Kennedys and bushs.
There are no Bush's currently in government. They have been dismissed.

[Crepitus]

"Teh Resistance", is nothing more than a reiteration of "Occupy". Why would you expect the same Anti-American/petulant child act to work out any better this time around? These ideas are as old as the Marx/Engels philosophies they are rooted in. It's anything but "fresh".

And trumpism is just the continued anti-Obama backlash. Neither party is doing anything original.

[Crepitus]

There are no Bush's currently in government. They have been dismissed.

Out of sight maybe, but gone? We can hope but I doubt it.

[resister]

And trumpism is just the continued anti-Obama backlash. Neither party is doing anything original.
No no, it was a "whitelash".

Actually, it was a big middle finger from the American people to the ruling class. They still have trouble understanding it.

[countryboy]

And trumpism is just the continued anti-Obama backlash. Neither party is doing anything original.

Tone deaf left. Lol.

Neither party? Trump has eliminated 22 burdensome regulations for every 1 new regulation. Which party has recently done that?

[Tahuyaman]

Out of sight maybe, but gone? We can hope but I doubt it.

However this thread is about how Democrats claim to be about new faces and ideas, but can't break away from their failed past.

[Crepitus]

However this thread is about how Democrats claim to be about new faces and ideas, but can't break away from their failed past.

I mentioned democrats as well, you are the one who felt the need to focus on the Bushs.

[Tahuyaman]

I mentioned democrats as well, you are the one who felt the need to focus on the Bushs.

You seem to be all about keeping other threads on topic. Why are you so intent on swerving this one over to the Bush's? No Bush is currently in an elected position they are not relevant in 2018.

Now, how can the Democrats lay claim to being all about new ideas and fresh faces when they trot out a Kennedy as the voice of their party? Will he be a sober Kennedy after the state of the union address?

[Crepitus]

You seem to be all about keeping other threads on topic. Why are you so intent on swerving this one over to the Bush's? No Bush is currently in an elected position they are not relevant in 2018.

Now, how can the Democrats lay claim to being all about new ideas and fresh faces when they trot out a Kennedy as the voice of their party? Will he be a sober Kennedy after the state of the union address?

Lol, I'm not. I mentioned them in passing and you seized on it for some reason. If you'd let it drop we'd have been done with it already.

[resister]

22495 Here is the Democrats typical savior.


She looks like an elderly reincarnation of Michael Jacko, turned transgender. Pelosi is the bleached version.

[Tahuyaman]

Lol, I'm not. I mentioned them in passing and you seized on it for some reason. If you'd let it drop we'd have been done with it already.

Go infect some other thread.

[Dr. Who]

No no, it was a "whitelash".

Actually, it was a big middle finger from the American people to the ruling class. They still have trouble understanding it.
"whitelash" Nothing racial there.

[resister]

"whitelash" Nothing racial there.
Take it up with that black, liberal newscaster on MSNBC (or one of those) that said that about Trumps election. I am on record here at TPF saying Ben Carson was my first choice. So much for your claim I am "prejudiced". "White lash" was some racist garbage pedeled by the left, your side Dr. Who

Are you guilty by association?

[Dr. Who]

Take it up with that black, liberal newscaster on MSNBC (or one of those) that said that about Trumps election. I am on record here at TPF saying Ben Carson was my first choice. So much for your claim I am "prejudiced". "White lash" was some racist garbage pedeled by the left, your side @Dr. Who (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=612)

Are you guilty by association?

No. I just don't care for those terms. I wouldn't repeat them.

[resister]

No. I just don't care for those terms. I wouldn't repeat them.
Then I recommend you don't watch left media.

[hotair]

The Democrats want to tell us that they are progressive. They want to claim that they are the party if new ideas and fresh faces.


The state of the Union address is coming up. The Democrats have announced that the Democratic response will be delivered by a Kennedy.


How is that demonstrating that the Democrats represent new ideas. A member of a tradional liberal Democratic Party dynasty being rolled out. It looks like the same old stuff from the same old political establishment.
While Joe Kennedy III is Robert Kennedy’s grandson, he in not Joe (Roberts father) Kennedy. Nor is he Robert even. He is himself.


Maybe you should take some time and listen to him? After all there is more to people then just their name.



As for any one daring to utter any new ideas, I very seriously doubt that that will ever happen any time in the near future. For the most part, when climbing up a ladder, it is best to go one rung at a time. Attempting to jump ten rungs at once just to reach a point where actual new ideas can be introduced is foolish, and pointless.


The wars are still being waged. (The Democrats war against poverty, and the Republicans war against the poor.) Until these wars are finally settled, there is no point in even suggesting any ‘new’ ideas. It would only be trying to move ahead without having a direction to go in!

As for the Republicans - they have no idea of what to do next. No one simply has not bothered to think that far ahead.

As for the Democrats - they have a whole agenda of what they would to get done next. But as long as we have poverty, and homelessness, under educated, masses (etc.) being shoved to the curb, the only thing that moving ahead now would accomplish would be to widen the gap between the haves and have nots, and exasperating these problems is only going to make everything worse.

[resister]

No. I just don't care for those terms. I wouldn't repeat them.
Nice backpedal, after learning your team issued the comment. (I know you were looking for that "gotchya" to bolster your slanderous accusation, this Ben Carson supporter was "prejudiced"

[Tahuyaman]

While Joe Kennedy III is Robert Kennedy’s grandson, he in not Joe (Roberts father) Kennedy. Nor is he Robert even. He is himself.


Maybe you should take some time and listen to him? After all there is more to people then just their name.



As for any one daring to utter any new ideas, I very seriously doubt that that will ever happen any time in the near future. For the most part, when climbing up a ladder, it is best to go one rung at a time. Attempting to jump ten rungs at once just to reach a point where actual new ideas can be introduced is foolish, and pointless.


The wars are still being waged. (The Democrats war against poverty, and the Republicans war against the poor.) Until these wars are finally settled, there is no point in even suggesting any ‘new’ ideas. It would only be trying to move ahead without having a direction to go in!

As for the Republicans - they have no idea of what to do next. No one simply has not bothered to think that far ahead.

As for the Democrats - they have a whole agenda of what they would to get done next. But as long as we have poverty, and homelessness, under educated, masses (etc.) being shoved to the curb, the only thing that moving ahead now would accomplish would be to widen the gap between the haves and have nots, and exasperating these problems is only going to make everything worse.

Hes not a fresh face with new or different ideas. He's a tool of the same old political establishment not to mention a familiy member of a long standing political dynasty. He does not represent anything but the same old failed path.

[hotair]

Hes not a fresh face with new or different ideas. He's a tool of the same old political establishment not to mention a familiy member of a long standing political dynasty. He does not represent anything but the same old failed path.

Ahhh . . . . . Then you have never actually listened to anything that he has said!

On a different matter . . . "Political Dynasty"??? Ok!?!

[starone/actual]

The democrats ran the show for 30yrs, now the republican minority is in power. along with reduction of government, rollbacks on everything else, its that the flavor of just being an american is changing and its not because of the democrats. I've never seen so many cops tripping over themselves to spark an engagement with the average citizen. not since i was stationed in germany in the early eighties. But it feels like that now, check points, request for documents, probable cause trashed, to say nothing of improper search. Is this really what republicans want. a reduction in freedoms, a ruling class/race , a return to a place that america has never been. as a younger man i swore an oath to an idea ( the constitution of the united states) the republic that benjamin franklin help create and who challenged us to maintain. the evolution of an open society to be sure is a monumental feat, more so since it has never existed before. At the moment however the flavor is off , something not right in the mix...i can only ponder why that is...

The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it"



George Orwell

[hotair]

The democrats ran the show for 30yrs, now the republican minority is in power. along with reduction of government, rollbacks on everything else, its that the flavor of just being an american is changing and its not because of the democrats. I've never seen so many cops tripping over themselves to spark an engagement with the average citizen. not since i was stationed in germany in the early eighties. But it feels like that now, check points, request for documents, probable cause trashed, to say nothing of improper search. Is this really what republicans want. a reduction in freedoms, a ruling class/race , a return to a place that america has never been. as a younger man i swore an oath to an idea ( the constitution of the united states) the republic that benjamin franklin help create and who challenged us to maintain. the evolution of an open society to be sure is a monumental feat, more so since it has never existed before. At the moment however the flavor is off , something not right in the mix...i can only ponder why that is...

The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it"



George Orwell

The Democrats have not run anything (much less ‘the show’) since 1964 when President Johnson signed the Equal Right Act!


Nixon, Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr., and W are all Republican creations. In the time up untill now President Clinton is a Democrat, though while president he had to deal with a republican controlled congress. Likewise President Obama being the second Democratic president since LBJ was forced to contend with the tea baggers mantra of “Just Say NO To Everything!!!”


Either from the congress or directly from the White House . . . The Republicans have been in total control of this country ever since 1964!!!

[Tahuyaman]

Ahhh . . . . . Then you have never actually listened to anything that he has said!

On a different matter . . . "Political Dynasty"??? Ok!?!

I've heard him speak. It's the same old stuff out of the DNC playbook. And yes, the Kennedy family is considered an American political dynasty.

[MrMike]

The Democrats want to tell us that they are progressive. They want to claim that they are the party if new ideas and fresh faces.
The state of the Union address is coming up. The Democrats have announced that the Democratic response will be delivered by a Kennedy.


How is that demonstrating that the Democrats represent new ideas. A member of a tradional liberal Democratic Party dynasty being rolled out. It looks like the same old stuff from the same old political establishment.



Democrats seem so invested in perpetuating the social crutches of racism and sexism as a platform that they can't escape the mess they've created for themselves.

[Tahuyaman]

Democrats seem so invested in perpetuating the social crutches of racism and sexism as a platform that they can't escape the mess they've created for themselves.

Add class envy to that platform.

[Tahuyaman]

As expected, the Democratic response is just repeating more BS from the traditional liberal play book. It also, so far, hasn’t had anything remotely to do with Trumps speech.

This young Kennedy is just another liberal platitude machine.

This is transparent. I’m embarrassed.

[Trish]

As expected, the Democratic response is just repeating more BS from the traditional liberal play book. It also, so far, hasn’t had anything remotely to do with Trumps speech.

This young Kennedy is just another liberal platitude machine.

You could at least pretend to have listened to the whole speech before commenting but it's clear that you already had your mind made up. But that's no different than the majority of the country. Sides have been chosen and there will be no uniting.

[MrMike]

As expected, the Democratic response is just repeating more BS from the traditional liberal play book. It also, so far, hasn’t had anything remotely to do with Trumps speech.

This young Kennedy is just another liberal platitude machine.

This is transparent. I’m embarrassed.


It was laden with the usual identity politics that have lost the Liberals elections. They never learn.

Besides, the guy had a drool problem going on. Sad timing, but it is what it is...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DU1yrDxVMAAiHCc.jpg:large

[Trish]

It was laden with the usual identity politics that have lost the Liberals elections. They never learn.

Besides, the guy had a drool problem going on. Sad timing, but it is what it is...



Yeah - the drool thing kinda bothered me too. It was hard to stay focused with all the glistening going on. hahahaha

[MrMike]

Yeah - the drool thing kinda bothered me too. It was hard to stay focused with all the glistening going on. hahahaha
It was almost as funny as the gulper (Rubio) and his water act.

[Tahuyaman]

It was laden with the usual identity politics that have lost the Liberals elections. They never learn.

Besides, the guy had a drool problem going on. Sad timing, but it is what it is...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DU1yrDxVMAAiHCc.jpg:large
But that stuff resonates with liberals and the uninformed.

[Tahuyaman]

You could at least pretend to have listened to the whole speech before commenting but it's clear that you already had your mind made up. But that's no different than the majority of the country. Sides have been chosen and there will be no uniting.I listened to the whole speech. It was exactly what I expected. Completely predictable.

[resister]

You could at least pretend to have listened to the whole speech before commenting but it's clear that you already had your mind made up. But that's no different than the majority of the country. Sides have been chosen and there will be no uniting.
Were you disappointed at the many valid issues Democrats sat stoney faced on, like lower prescription prices?

[Refugee]

Seriously, why are you Democrats complaining? You’ve just had near a decade of fresh young face Obama, with his Marxist ideas of spreading the wealth around, identity politics and change you can believe in. What you now have is the most divided society since the civil war. Do you really believe that more of the same from these people would produce opposite results? If you had another ten years of Obama or Clinton, would either of these characters suddenly make America great again? If not and you don’t like Trump, what exactly is it you want US society to look like or represent?

[Kalkin]

If you're looking for change in Democratic Party politics, look to our movement and our candidates, NOT the Democratic Party leadership.

I'm looking for the democrats to pivot away from marxism. They might be a viable option at that point.

[Tahuyaman]

Well, it appears over the next couple of days that there are four Democrats, five if you count Bernie Sanders giving the Democrats response to Trump’s speech. That sure tells you that the Democrats are unified.

[donttread]

If you're looking for fresh faces in the Democratic Party, don't look to the party leadership and their choices! Look to the resistance and the candidates we're getting nominated in the Democratic primaries and then more often than not actually elected. You may have noticed, looking at examples like Virginia from last year, that they are dominantly just ordinary people with no prior history of working in government. If you're looking for change in Democratic Party politics, look to our movement and our candidates, NOT the Democratic Party leadership. We don't have much representation in the government right now, but wait until after this year's midterms! Seriously. The resistance is where all the energy is.

Trying to assoiate the party with their last effetive members, without lifting a finger to become effetive again. Ultra libs and neocons are all control freaks , unlike the days gone by