Just Asking?

[zelmo1234]

Most of you know that I am a constitutionalist so I have somethings that I like and I don't like about President Trump. But the TDS is out of control

So I have a question and I would like you to follow through and explain why you fell it is good or bad for the public at large.

My example of something Good would be the new Tax Code, it does a few things that I think will be of a huge benefit.

It will bring back industry and that growth will increase revenue and make the economy grow for all.

so what is your beef or pat on the back, I have a lot of people that tell me he is a monster but when I ask why? they really don't have a reason.

[Peter1469]

I agree on the tax reform. I also like the large numbers of conservative judges added to the Federal courts. As well as slashing harmful regulations. I can't think of anything else. But this list is huge on the positive side.

[Trish]

What is TDS?

[Chris]

I credit the tax cut more to Congress than Trump though he was for it. What I do credit him for is more deregulation than we've ever seen before.

I disagree with his protectionism as I prefer free trade.

I don't like him much for the way he talks and tweets but I think that's what's driving TDS and I delight in liberal reactions ever since election night.

[Peter1469]

I credit the tax cut more to Congress than Trump though he was for it. What I do credit him for is more deregulation than we've ever seen before.

I disagree with his protectionism as I prefer free trade.

I don't like him much for the way he talks and tweets but I think that's what's driving TDS and I delight in liberal reactions ever since election night.
I prefer the protectionism to trade deals that screw the US.

[stjames1_53]

What is TDS?
Trump Derangement Syndrome: A complete and total loathing for Trump. Often without reason or logical analysis, affects socialists, freeloaders, young undereducated minds. Syndrome often invokes apoplectic seizures accompanied by loud derogatory screaming and self-cutting. It is usually exhibited by voters who think Hillary won but lost.
symptoms often include wearing pu55y hats, dressing as a vagina (females), tend to burn and loot (males). males and females alike shut down academia, block roads, ban conservatives from practicing their free speech, often believes the world owes them something.
Often referred as snowflakes see: snowflakes

[stjames1_53]

just did the taxes. $1100 more than last year with the same dollar value income

[Trish]

Trump Derangement Syndrome: A complete and total loathing for Trump. Often without reason or logical analysis, affects socialists, freeloaders, young undereducated minds. Syndrome often invokes apoplectic seizures accompanied by loud derogatory screaming and self-cutting. It is usually exhibited by voters who think Hillary won but lost.
symptoms often include wearing pu55y hats, dressing as a vagina (females), tend to burn and loot (males). males and females alike shut down academia, block roads, ban conservatives from practicing their free speech, often believes the world owes them something.
Often referred as snowflakes see: snowflakes

Hahahahahaha - There should be an index or something.

[Chris]

just did the taxes. $1100 more than last year with the same dollar value income

Similar here. Can't complain!

[Tahuyaman]

I agree on the tax reform. I also like the large numbers of conservative judges added to the Federal courts. As well as slashing harmful regulations. I can't think of anything else. But this list is huge on the positive side.


I agree with your list of positives. I approve of the way he decertified the flawed Iran deal and put it in the hands of the Congress. While I originally thought it was a needless move and a mistake, I think the recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's Capitol will prove to be a positive.


The negatives are his waffling on some parts of the immigration issue and his knee-jerk or reactionary use of social media. He should be more thoughtful in that area. I also did not like his missile attack on Syria.

[zelmo1234]

What is TDS?

Trump Derangement syndrome but what I mean is a total dislike of the Man, I want to know why people hate him as a President, I get the cockiness and all that, but is that the only reason?

Because as far as policy goes I think it is good for the country, I want to know what people this is bad about his policies.

[zelmo1234]

just did the taxes. $1100 more than last year with the same dollar value income
Well it will be interesting to see what they are next year after the tax break

[Tahuyaman]

Also abandoning the Obama era rules of engagement for our forces deployed and ending the announcing of arbitrary timelines is a positive.

[Kacper]

Most of you know that I am a constitutionalist so I have somethings that I like and I don't like about President Trump. But the TDS is out of control

So I have a question and I would like you to follow through and explain why you fell it is good or bad for the public at large.

My example of something Good would be the new Tax Code, it does a few things that I think will be of a huge benefit.

It will bring back industry and that growth will increase revenue and make the economy grow for all.

so what is your beef or pat on the back, I have a lot of people that tell me he is a monster but when I ask why? they really don't have a reason.

I don't think it will have a broad, lasting effect. I am more indifferent though. I do think it will make it harder for the GOP to justify cutting any spending in the name of deficit reduction.

[Captdon]

What is TDS?

Trump Derangement Syndrome.

[Chris]

What is TDS?

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[zelmo1234]

I don't think it will have a broad, lasting effect. I am more indifferent though. I do think it will make it harder for the GOP to justify cutting any spending in the name of deficit reduction.

if they can hold the line, the increase in revenue should provide for deficit reduction.

[Chris]

I prefer the protectionism to trade deals that screw the US.

Sure, good fixed trade is better than bad. But protectionism tends in the long run to raise prices and that could eat up the tax cut.

[Kacper]

if they can hold the line, the increase in revenue should provide for deficit reduction.

If it materializes, which is skeptical that it would in any sort of sustained range. That is part of the argument though. The other part which would destroy them at the polls would be, "Why the hell are you cutting programs that benefit every day people to pay for millionaire and billionaire tax cuts!!!" The tax cut legislation process alone saw a lot of Not My Deduction!!! compromises just to get passed. Spending cuts would be worse.

[Peter1469]

Sure, good fixed trade is better than bad. But protectionism tends in the long run to raise prices and that could eat up the tax cut.

Not if Americans start making stuff here. We certainly need to make computer parts here- the government has a very serious problem with buying IT stuff and getting Grey market items that is unsecured and many have backdoors in them. We I work we just terminated a contract for a company who was doing that. We will likely debar them so they can't work for the federal government for the next three years. They may also face prosecution from the DoJ.

[countryboy]

Trump Derangement Syndrome: A complete and total loathing for Trump. Often without reason or logical analysis, affects socialists, freeloaders, young undereducated minds. Syndrome often invokes apoplectic seizures accompanied by loud derogatory screaming and self-cutting. It is usually exhibited by voters who think Hillary won but lost.
symptoms often include wearing pu55y hats, dressing as a vagina (females), tend to burn and loot (males). males and females alike shut down academia, block roads, ban conservatives from practicing their free speech, often believes the world owes them something.
Often referred as snowflakes see: snowflakes

OMGosh, you absolutely NAILED it. Well done sir, well done.

[Chris]

Not if Americans start making stuff here. We certainly need to make computer parts here- the government has a very serious problem with buying IT stuff and getting Grey market items that is unsecured and many have backdoors in them. We I work we just terminated a contract for a company who was doing that. We will likely debar them so they can't work for the federal government for the next three years. They may also face prosecution from the DoJ.

Reducing competition will raise prices. And make us weaker economically. The people won't like it.

[Peter1469]

Reducing competition will raise prices. And make us weaker economically. The people won't like it.It may raise prices, but it will make us stronger economically.

Like in the 1980s.

We gave Egypt much of its military equipment. And our contractors maintains that stuff.

What do you think would happen should Egypt's polices upset the US enough?

The US should not be in that position. Even if it costs more.

[Scerab]

just did the taxes. $1100 more than last year with the same dollar value income
Of course you will praise the red tax scam for this increase despite that fact that it DID NOT take effect yet for individuals...

[stjames1_53]

Of course you will praise the red tax scam for this increase despite that fact that it DID NOT take effect yet for individuals...

it was shown to affect this years tax return. Hold yer breath, you'll see the difference on your paycheck this month.
How is this a scam?

[Scerab]

Trump is disgusting misogynist who has no respect for anything other then money. He is self centered, he is corrupt, and he is a well established liar. At this point I think a thorough psychologist Analysis is needed.
And yes let’s cheer on the dismantling of regulations like Fox News zombies...
lets inflate the balloon that will bring about the next inevitable recession.
The only thing I wish trump would do is to overhaul immigration...

.....................STOP GIVING OUR CITIZENSHIP BY BIRTH AND FOR FREE.....................

[Scerab]

it was shown to affect this years tax return. Hold yer breath, you'll see the difference on your paycheck this month.
How is this a scam?

The slight and temporary increase in your paycheck is attributed to the increase of 1.5 trillion dollar deficit the red congress passed right before the vote on this tax scam. This 1.5 trillion is what they calculated to be the cost of a phasing out tax cut to middle and low income individuals. 7-10 years from now, most of us will see a tax INCREASE...
this tax scam shifts the burden of funding this government from corporations unto individuals and from rich to poor...
the first problem is surfacing now... there were so many provisions in this new tax scam added by special interest lobbyists coupled with the haste at which the red legislators moved to vote on it. In short, most of those who voted to pass it knew little about it and their calculations WERE WRONG. The government is burning through money much faster then they thought and its getting much less then previously expected. This will further increase the national debt...
of course this 7-10 year tax cut is put in place to allow the legislators to vote on it, other wise who will throw away his political career by voting on this scam?
another great deception is the trickle down economics promise that with less taxes, corporations will creat jobs and increase pay. If history has taught us any thing, it would be otherwise. Corporations will increase CEO pay, major shareholder payouts, buy back more of their stocks followed by doing what capitalists do best... creat jobs in the cheapest areas to decrease costs and increase profits.
People hail the new auto manufactures in Alabama, and other states, as a great victory. But it was subsidized by the government... once that subsidy is gone, so will the manufactures...
the red legislator slaves claim that the government revenue lost by cutting corporate taxes will be covered by sheer economic growth, which Realistically, is impossible.

[stjames1_53]

The slight and temporary increase in your paycheck is attributed to the increase of 1.5 trillion dollar deficit the red congress passed right before the vote on this tax scam. This 1.5 trillion is what they calculated to be the cost of a phasing out tax cut to middle and low income individuals. 7-10 years from now, most of us will see a tax INCREASE...
this tax scam shifts the burden of funding this government from corporations unto individuals and from rich to poor...
the first problem is surfacing now... there were so many provisions in this new tax scam added by special interest lobbyists coupled with the haste at which the red legislators moved to vote on it. In short, most of those who voted to pass it knew little about it and their calculations WERE WRONG. The government is burning through money much faster then they thought and its getting much less then previously expected. This will further increase the national debt...
of course this 7-10 tax cut is put in place to allow the legislators to vote on it, other wise who will throw away his political career by voting on this scam?
another great deception is the trickle down economics promise that with less taxes, corporations will creat jobs and increase pay. If history has taught us any thing, it would be otherwise. Corporations will increase CEO pay, major shareholder payouts, buy back more of their stocks followed by doing what capitalists do best... creat jobs in the cheapest areas to decrease costs and increase profits.
People hail the new auto manufactures in Alabama, and other states, as a great victory. But it was subsidized by the government... once that subsidy is gone, so will the manufactures...
the red legislator slaves claim that the government revenue lost by cutting corporate taxes will be covered by sheer economic growth, which Realistically, is impossible.

you have too much Russia on the brain...........We'd be in a lot worse shape if your heroine Hillary had won.............the side affect of TDS. Everything is RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA .........you come off as a victim. Stop! yer killing my sides with too much laughter.
I get this. You want a president that can be controlled by big dollar donors to whom Hillary would have to answer to. Trump owes no one anything. He ran for you as well as me. Get over yourself.

[Scerab]

you have too much Russia on the brain...........We'd be in a lot worse shape if your heroine Hillary had won.............the side affect of TDS. Everything is RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA .........you come off as a victim. Stop! yer killing my sides with too much laughter.
I get this. You want a president that can be controlled by big dollar donors to whom Hillary would have to answer to. Trump owes no one anything. He ran for you as well as me. Get over yourself.
Do your self some credit man... the irony is that you even quoted me...
i did not give a single reference to either Hillary or Russia...
i guess a Fox News zombie would have nothing else to throw these days...
In truth, I supported the libertarian party in 2016. The other choices disgusted me.

[stjames1_53]

Do your self some credit man... the irony is that you even quoted me...
i did not give a single reference to either Hillary or Russia...
i guess a Fox News zombie would have nothing else to throw these days...
In truth, I supported the libertarian party in 2016. The other choices disgusted me.

see post #21.............I nailed you too

[zelmo1234]

Trump is disgusting misogynist who has no respect for anything other then money. He is self centered, he is corrupt, and he is a well established liar. At this point I think a thorough psychologist Analysis is needed.
And yes let’s cheer on the dismantling of regulations like Fox News zombies...
lets inflate the balloon that will bring about the next inevitable recession.
The only thing I wish trump would do is to overhaul immigration...

.....................STOP GIVING OUR CITIZENSHIP BY BIRTH AND FOR FREE.....................

Ok but let me ask for the Why you believe this because what we are finding out is they feel this way because the left wing media tells you to feel this way.

misogynist that has no respect for anything? why do you say this

Yes you are correct, economies do boom and bust but here is the secret, the Socialist and Communist countries experienced that recession too, but their people did not have the luxury of the boom.

What regulations did he remove that you feel are really detrimental to the country or its people?

[zelmo1234]

If it materializes, which is skeptical that it would in any sort of sustained range. That is part of the argument though. The other part which would destroy them at the polls would be, "Why the hell are you cutting programs that benefit every day people to pay for millionaire and billionaire tax cuts!!!" The tax cut legislation process alone saw a lot of Not My Deduction!!! compromises just to get passed. Spending cuts would be worse.

If the revenue increase does not take place, it will be the first time in history that it did not. Kennedy, Reagan, Clinton, Bush II all saw dramatic increases in revenue, So why would you think that this one does not.

And of course we see that this tax cut is for everyone, not just the rich.

[zelmo1234]

The slight and temporary increase in your paycheck is attributed to the increase of 1.5 trillion dollar deficit the red congress passed right before the vote on this tax scam. This 1.5 trillion is what they calculated to be the cost of a phasing out tax cut to middle and low income individuals. 7-10 years from now, most of us will see a tax INCREASE...
this tax scam shifts the burden of funding this government from corporations unto individuals and from rich to poor...
the first problem is surfacing now... there were so many provisions in this new tax scam added by special interest lobbyists coupled with the haste at which the red legislators moved to vote on it. In short, most of those who voted to pass it knew little about it and their calculations WERE WRONG. The government is burning through money much faster then they thought and its getting much less then previously expected. This will further increase the national debt...
of course this 7-10 year tax cut is put in place to allow the legislators to vote on it, other wise who will throw away his political career by voting on this scam?
another great deception is the trickle down economics promise that with less taxes, corporations will creat jobs and increase pay. If history has taught us any thing, it would be otherwise. Corporations will increase CEO pay, major shareholder payouts, buy back more of their stocks followed by doing what capitalists do best... creat jobs in the cheapest areas to decrease costs and increase profits.
People hail the new auto manufactures in Alabama, and other states, as a great victory. But it was subsidized by the government... once that subsidy is gone, so will the manufactures...
the red legislator slaves claim that the government revenue lost by cutting corporate taxes will be covered by sheer economic growth, which Realistically, is impossible.

Unfortunately you are basing your assumptions off Liberal lies.

The Kennedy, Reagan, and Bush II tax cuts nearly doubled the revenue to the US government.

The Clinton Capital Gains Cuts which were cuts only for the Rich has a positive effect but is was not as dramatic.

It would be impossible to say that this cut is not going to effect jobs just from the promises that we have from corporations around the world that are going to invest in the USA economy.

The money that workers will see in their checks is not going away, but Some off the bonuses might not be every year, Those that receive raises, that is not going away.

So I am asking that you explain these fears instead of spouting political talking points that are not backed up by reality.

[zelmo1234]

Do your self some credit man... the irony is that you even quoted me...
i did not give a single reference to either Hillary or Russia...
i guess a Fox News zombie would have nothing else to throw these days...
In truth, I supported the libertarian party in 2016. The other choices disgusted me.
The problem is that you are either a CNN only or MSNBC zombie, which means that you are basing your stories on lies as well. If you watch both you will quickly see that none of these stations are telling you the truth.

[Kacper]

If the revenue increase does not take place, it will be the first time in history that it did not. Kennedy, Reagan, Clinton, Bush II all saw dramatic increases in revenue, So why would you think that this one does not.

And of course we see that this tax cut is for everyone, not just the rich.

Clinton benefited from a global expansion of wealth with the rise of the internet. Reagan benefited from the significant decline in interest rates whereas we are currently in a rising rate environment. Carter saw a bigger increase in revenue as a percentage than may of the people you mentioned. Federal tax revenue increases in most years save right after the great recession without the need to cu taxes.

[zelmo1234]

Clinton benefited from a global expansion of wealth with the rise of the internet. Reagan benefited from the significant decline in interest rates whereas we are currently in a rising rate environment. Carter saw a bigger increase in revenue as a percentage than may of the people you mentioned. Federal tax revenue increases in most years save right after the great recession without the need to cu taxes.

Carter and Clinton Raised Taxes on the middle class, That is where they are and you and I both know that percentages lie.

for example If I have a business that does 100 thousand in sales and increase 20% that is nice but if I have a company that does 100 million in sales and increase 5% it is a lot more dollars.

We have to start telling the truth and the truth is. just with the money that is being brought back into the USA this year, it will off set the Trump tax cut.

And it will be very interesting to hear Democrats talking about Debt after they were silent for 8 years while they doubled the national debt of all other presidents combined.

[Captdon]

Sure, good fixed trade is better than bad. But protectionism tends in the long run to raise prices and that could eat up the tax cut.

Protectionism never works if it's overdone.

[Captdon]

It may raise prices, but it will make us stronger economically.

Like in the 1980s.

We gave Egypt much of its military equipment. And our contractors maintains that stuff.

What do you think would happen should Egypt's polices upset the US enough?

The US should not be in that position. Even if it costs more.

Read The Report From Iron Mountain if you can find it.

[Chris]

It may raise prices, but it will make us stronger economically.

Like in the 1980s.

We gave Egypt much of its military equipment. And our contractors maintains that stuff.

What do you think would happen should Egypt's polices upset the US enough?

The US should not be in that position. Even if it costs more.


You say economically but describe militarily.

Economcally, besides driving up prices for Americans, tariffs and other protectionist measures eliminate competition. Competition, at least in part, drives innovation, so the US will fall behind in technology.

[Chris]

Protectionism never works if it's overdone.

It worked when the US was young to allow American industry a chance to grow and become competitive with England. But we're well past that.

[Chris]

Read The Report From Iron Mountain if you can find it.

Interesting, looked it up, purportedly it put forth the theory a state of war was necessary for the economy and the very existence of the modern nation-state. It could well be but recall that the followers of FDR expected to keep the nation on a war footing with pretty much federal control of business in order to keep the economy growing, but Congress said no, deregulated, and prosperity ensured.

[Kacper]

Carter and Clinton Raised Taxes on the middle class, That is where they are and you and I both know that percentages lie.

for example If I have a business that does 100 thousand in sales and increase 20% that is nice but if I have a company that does 100 million in sales and increase 5% it is a lot more dollars.

We have to start telling the truth and the truth is. just with the money that is being brought back into the USA this year, it will off set the Trump tax cut.

And it will be very interesting to hear Democrats talking about Debt after they were silent for 8 years while they doubled the national debt of all other presidents combined.
What will happen isn't truth. It is conjecture. One of may be right. Neither of us may be right. Time will tell. Government revenue isn't my biggest concern. Deficits aren't my biggest concern. Rising interest rates are my larger economic concern. As seen Friday, rising rates are not well -received by the DJIA, and it is expected rates will rise at least 3 times this year.

[zelmo1234]

What will happen isn't truth. It is conjecture. One of may be right. Neither of us may be right. Time will tell. Government revenue isn't my biggest concern. Deficits aren't my biggest concern. Rising interest rates are my larger economic concern. As seen Friday, rising rates are not well -received by the DJIA, and it is expected rates will rise at least 3 times this year.

Well it is about time. One of the things that rising rates will bring about is a little more income to those seniors that are to afraid of the markets. That is not such a bad thing.

With the market rising as fast as it is, I suspect that Gold and Silver will start to drop, when it gets to historic low levels it will be time to invest in metals again, in about 10 years we will have another major correction or crash if you will and it will be time to put that into the whatever fire sale that the recession will create.

[Peter1469]

You say economically but describe militarily.

Economcally, besides driving up prices for Americans, tariffs and other protectionist measures eliminate competition. Competition, at least in part, drives innovation, so the US will fall behind in technology.


Yes, my focus is on the military being able to get its weapons and IT systems without enemy back doors and in a timely manner.

See my example of what we did to Egypt. And my other examples of Chinese IT equipment with backdoors.

I also think that the US would be better off in balance if it made more stuff at home.

[Peter1469]

Read The Report From Iron Mountain if you can find it.


It has nothing to do with my point.

[Chris]

Yes, my focus is on the military being able to get its weapons and IT systems without enemy back doors and in a timely manner.

See my example of what we did to Egypt. And my other examples of Chinese IT equipment with backdoors.

I also think that the US would be better off in balance if it made more stuff at home.


Then Trump should argue it that way. If the American people want a strong military, they need to pay the price.

[Peter1469]

Then Trump should argue it that way. If the American people want a strong military, they need to pay the price.

Right.

There are moves in Congress to prohibit the DoD from getting IT stuff from un-trusted sources. And as I have said elsewhere here, we are seeking prosecution of a company that provided our agency with grey market items.

We are never going to get control of our cyber security until all of our software and IT is made inside the US.